sammyk: 1nsanilicious: You guys lost.... Get over it... biatching at Walker for stuff like this makes you look petty now.

Oh wait this is Fark, where the politics tab is full of petty arguments against conservatives. Carry on.

Are you going to get over it when he gets recalled? I'm betting you will derp it up with some crap like "democracy is thwarting the will of the people". The simple fact is all this crap he is pulling is not what he ran on. The good people of Wisconsin did not vote him into office to bust unions, sell state assets to the Koch brothers and so on.

It's not petty and the people of Wisconsin are not going to get over it.

Too bad the Democrats are running Falk, who is basically to Walker what John Kerry was to Bush. The Democrats in Wisconsin should've had an easy victory, but nope, Falk is one of those that is running. If they were smart, they would tell Falk to GBTW and let Barrett run.

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Oh please. He raised the cost of benefits which directly translates to lower pay. Don't think you can substitute pointless semantics for an actual argument.

Right, because that's the only thing I said and it had everything to do with my point.

MyRandomName: sethstorm: MrKraclenutz: I must be missing something here, but I'm having trouble finding a problem with giving bonuses to retain people like DNA analysts.

Someone help me out?

The problem is that the raises are going to Walker-friendly staff.

Can you not read? Walker doesn't sign off on the bonuses, the administration staff of the department does. Seriously, learn to farking read.

who do you think hired those people and who do you think they answer to, dumbass?

seriously, paying some DNA analyists more money, that's cool. I'm fine with that. that's only 30 of the people getting bonuses. walkers political appointees getting raises when almost everyone else is getting cuts? yeah, that stinks to high heavens.

MyRandomName: NewportBarGuy: How can Wisconsin still be facing a budget crisis? He implemented the key tenants of the Republican Economic Policy. He won. He got his way.

Where are the jobs and growth? Do we have to pray harder? Just wait a few decades?

Same argument, Obama and Stimulus.

You do know that Wisconsin is doing better right? Lower projected deficit, lower property taxes, school districts saving a ton now that they are not forced into union owned health insurance programs. Decreased unemployment below national average. The horrors of that state...

unemployment is below the national average because our labor force is shrinking at a rate much quicker than the national average. see, it's calculated as a percentage of the "workforce", which doesn't include all the people who have just given up because the state hemorrages jobs every month (4,500 in March! Finally at a net loss of 5,000 or so on Walkers watch!). if our labor force was growing at the national level, we'd have almost 9% unemployment.

facts, how do they work?

oh also, property taxes went down an average .4% in 2011, mostly because property values dropped an average of 2% around the state (and Walker made it so they couldn't be raised locally anyway). if that's all it takes to buy your support, damn you have a low price.

Johnny Swank: I'm still having an exceedingly hard time feeling any sympathy for Wisconsinites. You elected a retarded teabagger as governor, what the hell did you think was going to happen? Frankly, I hope he beats the recall. Maybe next time they'll take their votes seriously next time.

see also: Ohio, and my home state of NC. People dont change their voting patterns till they have to suffer a bit. Sad, but you know it's true.

oh fark you.

WhackingDay: Oh, I don't know. I think we might be surprised at the number of people pulling for their team in WI. They'll get out and vote just to stick it to the filthy liberals.

It's too bad, I love Wisconsin, at one point I really was pushing to move there. Not any more. Outside of Madison it seems like it's just North Mississippi.

I've been considering moving if this man isn't tossed on his ass in June, along with Kleefisch and a couple Senators. I was born in WI, lived here almost my entire life, and loved every moment of it. It's always been a pretty rational political environment, a good place to raise families because of our school system, and high paying jobs when taking into account the cost of living. But this last year has turned our economy to shiat, gutted what is arguably the best public school system in the country in terms of both funding and policy, taken steps to fracture the UW system (the reason we have so many high paying scientific and engineering jobs), taken women's rights back a few decades, and created the most toxic political environment I've ever lived in. When I travel for work I don't even like to make small talk with people, not even on the job, because half of them just need to hear that I'm from Madison and they start making inappropriate statements about how I'm a socialist leftist liberal and how I'm destroying the state with my liberal agenda. Politics doesn't even have to be the topic. I can ask what there is to do around there after work. They tell me that I should check out a brewery they have in town, and I say something like "Great, thanks for the idea. I enjoy breweries. We've got a few nice ones in Madison that you should check out if you're ever there." Then they decide that we're enemies because I'm from libby land Madison. It's farking insanity. And all because of a right-wing puppet with fetal alcohol syndrome.

leftteffticle: MyRandomName: NewportBarGuy: How can Wisconsin still be facing a budget crisis? He implemented the key tenants of the Republican Economic Policy. He won. He got his way.

Where are the jobs and growth? Do we have to pray harder? Just wait a few decades?

Same argument, Obama and Stimulus.

You do know that Wisconsin is doing better right? Lower projected deficit, lower property taxes, school districts saving a ton now that they are not forced into union owned health insurance programs. Decreased unemployment below national average. The horrors of that state...

unemployment is below the national average because our labor force is shrinking at a rate much quicker than the national average. see, it's calculated as a percentage of the "workforce", which doesn't include all the people who have just given up because the state hemorrages jobs every month (4,500 in March! Finally at a net loss of 5,000 or so on Walkers watch!). if our labor force was growing at the national level, we'd have almost 9% unemployment.

facts, how do they work?

I keep wanting to move back to Wisconsin (from Michigan) since I grew up there and I love the state, but good god the Walker election keeps me away. I'm staying in MICHIGAN because Wisconsin is so farked up. Think about that for a second.

LouDobbsAwaaaay: machoprogrammer: Too bad the Democrats are running Falk, who is basically to Walker what John Kerry was to Bush. The Democrats in Wisconsin should've had an easy victory, but nope, Falk is one of those that is running. If they were smart, they would tell Falk to GBTW and let Barrett run.

So I guess you're not aware that Barrett is running?

I know he is running, but if Falk is going to take away his votes (or get the main amount of the votes), that is just going to help Walker. We got feminists here who are pushing for Falk just because she has a vagina.

Democrats will do what they always do and throw their candidate under the bus because it obvioulsy isn't their message not resinating.

Walker will win..... again. It's evolution. The public unions are staging their version of the Tet offensive in Wisconsin but the war has already been lost on the national level and they are just pissing in the wind.

Hell even on their deathstar, Obama's boy Rahm is ready to take the head of the Chicago public teacher's union to the woodshed.

10 years from now, the only public unions that will still be standing (because they have the support of the public and rightfully so) are the Police and Firefighters.

There is no need for a teacher's union. There is no need for Tenure. They should be hired and rewarded and demoted and fired based on merrit like everyone else in the real world along with a 401K instead of a pension.

NewportBarGuy: How can Wisconsin still be facing a budget crisis? He implemented the key tenants of the Republican Economic Policy. He won. He got his way.

Where are the jobs and growth? Do we have to pray harder? Just wait a few decades?

The jobs and economic growth really are nowhere to be found in Wisconsin: since this farkstick got in office, Wisconsin has been dead last in job growth. And did he have a track record before this? Nope, he ran the county that was home to the 4th poorest big city in America. And the majority of Wisconsin's crimes were/are committed in one county, the one Scott Walker used to run. Most of the state's recipients of state aid also live in the county Scott Walker used to run.

Scott Walker has a track record of failure and arrogance. He got elected simply because his fan base in the Milwaukee suburbs wanted to stick it to the liberals.

machoprogrammer: LouDobbsAwaaaay: machoprogrammer: Too bad the Democrats are running Falk, who is basically to Walker what John Kerry was to Bush. The Democrats in Wisconsin should've had an easy victory, but nope, Falk is one of those that is running. If they were smart, they would tell Falk to GBTW and let Barrett run.

So I guess you're not aware that Barrett is running?

I know he is running, but if Falk is going to take away his votes (or get the main amount of the votes), that is just going to help Walker. We got feminists here who are pushing for Falk just because she has a vagina.

That's not how Wisconsin recall elections work. There are currently 7 people running for governor. On the Democratic ticket it's Tom Barrett, Kathleen Falk, Kathleen Vinehout (state senator), Doug LaFollette (Secretary of State), and a fake. On the Republican ticket it's Walker and a fake. There is a primary election in May, after which the field will be trimmed down to 2 people for the general election in June.

MyRandomName: .

You do know that Wisconsin is doing better right? ...

No it isn't. That truly sounds like something someone in Arizona (a place where old bigots go to die) would say.

They sure are analyzing a lot of DNA in Wisc.

38 DNA analysts?

Are the collecting it from everybody?

Holy crap, Walker is treating Wisconsin like his own personal fiefdom.

I'm not even sure he knows what century he's in by this point.

Watching this guy's post-politics career is gonna be a case study in governmental corruption.

If state employees want bonuses they should fight for them during collective bargaining.

Oh yeah.

MFL: Democrats will do what they always do and throw their candidate under the bus because it obvioulsy isn't their message not resinating.

Walker will win..... again. It's evolution. The public unions are staging their version of the Tet offensive in Wisconsin but the war has already been lost on the national level and they are just pissing in the wind.

Hell even on their deathstar, Obama's boy Rahm is ready to take the head of the Chicago public teacher's union to the woodshed.

10 years from now, the only public unions that will still be standing (because they have the support of the public and rightfully so) are the Police and Firefighters.

There is no need for a teacher's union. There is no need for Tenure. They should be hired and rewarded and demoted and fired based on merrit like everyone else in the real world along with a 401K instead of a pension.

Go fark yourself, you farking shill puppet. You don't know the first farking thing about teachers, teaching or much else. People like you really piss me off with your holier-than-thou stance on Unions. Like you know the first farking think about them beyond what Fox news tells you.

LouDobbsAwaaaay: John Nash: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Oh please. He raised the cost of benefits which directly translates to lower pay. Don't think you can substitute pointless semantics for an actual argument.

Right, because that's the only thing I said and it had everything to do with my point.

Throwing a blatant lie in with a bunch of other statements doesn't make it any less of a blatant lie. You can't just dilute the falsehood by mixing in a bunch of other words.

Now I'm blatantly lying?

/this is why I normally stay away from the politics tab

sammyk: I have no problem with paying quality people to retain them. I'm commenting on Walker's habit of playing favorites. He did it with police and fire when he went after teachers unions. Being under investigation and giving raises to the DOJ while he makes cuts in just about every other state agency smells fishy.

I guess I didn't see anything particularly preferential. Couldn't other state agencies give raises too?

I do agree that the fact that it's this specific group at this specific time doesn't look good. I just see this one as a small kernel of corn in the ocean of shiat that is Walker's governorship.

jmr61: They sure are analyzing a lot of DNA in Wisc.

38 DNA analysts?

Are the collecting it from everybody?

...as a matter of fact, it's goin that way. walker wants DNA collected on every arrest.

John Nash: There is nothing wrong with it. Here in Madison there are quite a few biotech and research firms, and if these state employees did not get paid they would indeed be gone.

Once you reach a comfortable level of income, income is actually not a significant factor in attrition. If they want to keep employees, then making a good work environment is the way to go.

that's not fayer, everybody should get a bonus.

waaaaaaa

Once again, another Business Socialist. Scott Walker

Although this is government money...it is always the Business Socialist mantra to pay more money to certain people...usually those that do not do any productive labor....and take away from those that do.

Of course, this does not bode well for Walker and his recall election

MFL: I am envious of the benefits that unions provide, so I attack unions until they die instead of pushing for me to have them.

FTFY.

Instead of pulling your fellow worker down, how about pulling yourself up to their level? Or does that only apply to top-level positions like Walker's (and the ones of his supporters)?

Johnny Swank: I'm still having an exceedingly hard time feeling any sympathy for Wisconsinites. You elected a retarded teabagger as governor, what the hell did you think was going to happen? Frankly, I hope he beats the recall. Maybe next time they'll take their votes seriously next time.

see also: Ohio, and my home state of NC. People dont change their voting patterns till they have to suffer a bit. Sad, but you know it's true.

Except that there is some redemption in Ohio if the RTW law gets shot down. Kasich and friends have been neutered since SB5 decisively was shot down. As many times as he's screwed up with the state of Ohio, he's written himself out of the next term. Kasich was supposed to be better than Strickland, but ends up making the Democrat predecessor look conservative.

To repair Wisconsin's ALEC-caused disaster will take a long while as laws are repealed and politicians from Walker's camp are flushed out. To do any less would invite another insurrection.

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How is North Carolina resemble the "change voting patterns only when suffering happens" respect? Is it from them adopting the South's 11th Commandment of "Thou Shalt not Question Thy Employer's existence", where it backfires?

sammyk: This guy must have one hell of a setup post politics. He is willingly taking a flame thrower to his current political career.

Chef Koch Sucker

MrKraclenutz: I must be missing something here, but I'm having trouble finding a problem with giving bonuses to retain people like DNA analysts.

Someone help me out?

Giving bonuses to DNA analysts is fine.

That said, last year at this time, Walker and all his douchebag supporters were throwing out all kinds of misleading numbers about public workers being overpaid and needing to take a paycut to balance the state budget. Yeah, yeah, I know. It was contribute more to their benefits. That is a paycut when you're the one whose paycheck is getting smaller.

And now they tell us they need to give bonuses so these employees don't jump to a private company where they'll make more. Why, it's almost like they were spouting utter bullshiat last year. Imagine the surprise of every public worker in Wisconsin, as well as everyone else that isn't a complete moran.

prickly pete v2: MrKraclenutz: I must be missing something here, but I'm having trouble finding a problem with giving bonuses to retain people like DNA analysts.

Someone help me out?

Giving bonuses to DNA analysts is fine.

That said, last year at this time, Walker and all his douchebag supporters were throwing out all kinds of misleading numbers about public workers being overpaid and needing to take a paycut to balance the state budget. Yeah, yeah, I know. It was contribute more to their benefits. That is a paycut when you're the one whose paycheck is getting smaller.

And now they tell us they need to give bonuses so these employees don't jump to a private company where they'll make more. Why, it's almost like they were spouting utter bullshiat last year. Imagine the surprise of every public worker in Wisconsin, as well as everyone else that isn't a complete moran.

Yeah, after all that you would think it was all....political.

born_yesterday: [and anyone that has any chance of having it a bit better than them].

so they are the 99%?

machoprogrammer: LouDobbsAwaaaay: machoprogrammer: Too bad the Democrats are running Falk, who is basically to Walker what John Kerry was to Bush. The Democrats in Wisconsin should've had an easy victory, but nope, Falk is one of those that is running. If they were smart, they would tell Falk to GBTW and let Barrett run.

So I guess you're not aware that Barrett is running?

I know he is running, but if Falk is going to take away his votes (or get the main amount of the votes), that is just going to help Walker. We got feminists here who are pushing for Falk just because she has a vagina.

The only outside people running ads for Falk have apparently pulled them out in Milwaukee, if not the whole state.

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CmndrFish: machoprogrammer: LouDobbsAwaaaay: machoprogrammer: Too bad the Democrats are running Falk, who is basically to Walker what John Kerry was to Bush. The Democrats in Wisconsin should've had an easy victory, but nope, Falk is one of those that is running. If they were smart, they would tell Falk to GBTW and let Barrett run.

So I guess you're not aware that Barrett is running?

I know he is running, but if Falk is going to take away his votes (or get the main amount of the votes), that is just going to help Walker. We got feminists here who are pushing for Falk just because she has a vagina.

That's not how Wisconsin recall elections work. There are currently 7 people running for governor. On the Democratic ticket it's Tom Barrett, Kathleen Falk, Kathleen Vinehout (state senator), Doug LaFollette (Secretary of State), and a fake. On the Republican ticket it's Walker and a fake. There is a primary election in May, after which the field will be trimmed down to 2 people for the general election in June.

Right, but if Falk wins the primary, the Democrats are going to lose. If Barrett wins, they got a good shot at winning. It was like in 2004; if the Democrats nominate Dean or someone that isn't Kerry, they win. But nope, Kerry won the nomination.

MFL: 10 years from now, the only public unions that will still be standing (because they have the support of the public and rightfully so) are the Police and Firefighters.

There is no need for a teacher's union. There is no need for Tenure. They should be hired and rewarded and demoted and fired based on merrit like everyone else in the real world along with a 401K instead of a pension.


I'm curious as to why you single out police and firefighters and allow them to have a union and no one else? It seems that you would want them to be hired and fired based on the same criteria anyone else would be? If not, what criteria would they have to meet?