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(Topless Robot)   Five reasons why Mike is better than Joel on "Mystery Science Theater 3000"   ( divider line
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3428 clicks; posted to Entertainment » on 20 Apr 2012 at 2:43 PM (5 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»

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2012-04-20 10:30:37 PM  
2 votes:
Love them both. Though I did think the series stumbled a few times. Mikes first season, the episodes right after Frank left, and the interminable season or two where Pearl was chasing them through space.

That being said, it was only the host segments that failed, the riffing was almost always great.

Personal favorites:

Bake sale

"Now prominaaaade"

"Take it Crow"
2012-04-20 03:37:55 PM  
2 votes:
One of the things I did like about the show was the complete difference on how the bots treated the hosts. Since I grew up with the show I could really relate to how the relationship formed for both of them. Joel created them, so he was always "Dad" and could keep them in line. Heck in a couple of episodes he punished them and sent them to their rooms, while Gypsy always acted like a surrogate mother. Then when Mike was brought on board the first few episodes revolved around him figuring out how SOL worked, like that one episode where he took Crow completely apart and "Sanded his contact points" which he then turned to the camera and said "I have no idea what I'm doing." But the bots always treated him as a cool stepbrother, calling Mike out if he was acting ridiculous (The bald professor skit from Mole People) and in turn keeping Mike in check, all the while sharing potty humor with him because they could get away with it more then they could with Joel.

And say what you will about Pearl, Bobo, and Brain guy. I always thought the episode where Mike was put on trial for blowing up 2 planets was friggin hilarious. In my opinion the best host skit they had ever produced. The part where Crow sends in a video recorded testimony still makes me cry tears of laughter.

But overall, I loved every episode of MST3K just as much as the previous. You could quite literally put a random episode on and I'd watch it through with no protest. I do miss the fact that there aren't any more being produced, and Always hoped against hope that they would get together 1 last time to make a riff of a ridiculously bad 1950's sci-fi movie. Cinematic Titanic and Rifftrax are both awesome in their own rights.......I just miss the Silhouettes and the bots.
2012-04-20 03:04:42 PM  
2 votes:
Final Sacrifice is the best MST3K episode, hands down. Every element in that episode aligned perfectly.

Why have Torgo when you can have Zap Rowsdower?
2012-04-21 10:04:11 AM  
1 vote:
Guess it's time to do what I do every time I can't sleep: use a random number generator to pick an MST3K episode to watch. I finally managed to get every episode barring the KTMA season.

/When I'm not a poor college student I'll start building my dvd collection
//*rolls the dice* looks like it's Catalina Caper today!
2012-04-21 09:45:17 AM  
1 vote:


Remember the Thanksgiving MST3K marathons? I would be running from the kitchen to the living room all day so I wouldn't miss anything. God I wish even ONE show on TV now was half as funny as that was.

Crow: "You're watching Turkey Day on Comedy Central. Turkey Fact #12. Turkey contains enough L-tryptophan to knock you right on your sorry Thanksgiving ass."

Tom: "Crow, no! Nooo!"
2012-04-20 08:39:48 PM  
1 vote:

poot_rootbeer: FirstNationalBastard: The Rhino box sets are going OOP, and winding up at horribly inflated prices.

Yes, and but also there are certain file sharing communities that won't share commercially released content, but once it goes OOP it's fair game again.

You're right. Many of the people who keep circulating the tapes do play well with Best Brains and the company releasing the commercial DVDs (currently Shout Factory, who have been able to pull off some wonderful acquisitions for DVD).

And truthfully, the people circulating the tapes may have better copies of the episodes than currently reside in Jim Mallon's vaults. The master tapes are starting to degrade, and the last few DVD releases have all had episodes that suffer from tape hits.
2012-04-20 08:18:51 PM  
1 vote:

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: As I said in the other thread, I *hate* having to choose in this debate, but if I absolutelypositivelycertainlyvitally had to pick one, it would be Mike by a nose (or a big chin).

Doing a quick gis, I'm assuming Best Brains is a classic episode(s) with Mike. To be honest, when Joel left I really never gave Mike much of a chance, I was upset. I tried watching a few episodes, but it wasn't the same. I'll give them a chance though.
2012-04-20 06:13:40 PM  
1 vote:
This is where the fish lives
2012-04-20 05:20:05 PM  
1 vote:
I don't have much to say that hasn't already been said. While both hosts are amazing, I personally prefer Mike. The writing was fairly consistent throughout- I prefer Mike's era, but since they pretty much kept the same writing staff, that has more to do with the writers getting better and being more comfortable with it. If Joel had been the second host, his would be the better-written, so that's a wash.

As for host segments, Dr Forrester and TV's Frank were WAY better than Pearl, Bobo, and Brain Guy. (I never cared for the Invention Exchange, though.) That said, does the quality of the other characters really determine the quality of the host himself? I'm not so sure. Regardless, though, the host segments are the least important bits, it's the movies that count.

Ultimately, the part that gives Mike the win, to my mind, is the style of delivery. Joel was funny as hell, but his deadpan, perpetually-stoned demeanor was just too mellow for my tastes, and felt almost like he was bored the entire time. Mike's comments just had more energy to them, and it felt like he was actually enjoying himself. That difference made Mike feel like you're just hanging around with your buddies watching this, creating a more organic feeling than Joel sometimes had.
2012-04-20 03:27:06 PM  
1 vote:

BeatrixK: Did Mike write this?!?!?!?!? It's the Swayziest..... ?!?!?!?! I think not!

Joel wins!

/But Mike was darling!!!!

Uh, since Mike was the one who wrote most of the music... yeah, he probably did write Patrick Swayze Christmas.
2012-04-20 03:25:26 PM  
1 vote:
The best season was season 10.

You had Mike, Crow 2, the whole lost in time host segment thing was over, they could riff any movie they wanted as opposed to only sci-fi films, and you had Final Justice, the superior of the two Joe Don Baker films.

So, of course, Sci-Fi cancels the show when they're at their peak. I think they needed money for their first ghost show.
2012-04-20 03:21:24 PM  
1 vote:
I miss "Mad Movies."
2012-04-20 03:00:57 PM  
1 vote:
It's not about Mike vs. Joel -- it's all about Dr Forrester and TV's Frank. If these two are there, you get teh funnay. If not, still funny, but less so.
2012-04-20 02:57:23 PM  
1 vote:

sigdiamond2000: I love both, but I think the Mike-era MST episodes are far and away more consistently funny than the Joel-era ones. That is undeniable as far as I'm concerned.

The difficulty here is that there were more Joel episodes with Dr. Forrester and TV's Frank, while Pearl/Bobo/Brain Guy (yuck) were all during Mike's tenure. So that makes it hard for me to like the Mike episodes better than the Joel episodes.

/deep hurting
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