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(Huffington Post)   American Airlines and U.S. Airways agree to terms of merger. "We seek to create an airline that combines the low on-time performance of American with the horrendous customer service that has made U.S. Airways a household name"   (huffingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2012-04-20 12:00:40 PM  
So we'll be down to four airlines that matter: Delta, United, Southwest, and Useless. How could the government even remotely consider allowing that merger? As if prices aren't already effectively the result of collusion (pops).

I don't even think the Continental/United merger should have gone through -- now we have airlines too big to fail in addition to banks too big to fail. GREAAAT.
 
2012-04-20 12:13:41 PM  
So they'll be like Air Canada, then.

/Air Canada: We're not happy until you're not happy
 
2012-04-20 12:18:49 PM  

Gig103: So we'll be down to four airlines that matter: DeltaTerrible customer service, UnitedIT trainwreck, SouthwestCattlecar boarding/no frills, and Useless.


FTFY. :)

/if this goes through, we will have no airline industry left to speak of.
 
2012-04-20 12:46:05 PM  
Between them and the TSA, it is becoming harder and harder to want to consider justifying flying anywhere inside the US.
 
2012-04-20 01:26:32 PM  
So the new name will be US Americans?
 
2012-04-20 01:29:42 PM  

Gig103: now we have airlines too big to fail in addition to banks too big to fail.


everyday is more like Jennifer Government.
 
2012-04-20 01:32:40 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Between them and the TSA, it is becoming harder and harder to want to consider justifying flying anywhere inside the US.


Too far to drive, and train service has been legislated into uselessness outside of the northeast corridor. Considering that it'll be years (if not decades) before we can even begin to try to un-useless this country's passenger rail system with high-speed rail, and the fact that every one-horse town between the major cities connected by HSR will only allow the rail to be built if they get a train station, and we'll get trains that can run at 250-300 MPH chugging along at about 60 MPH because it'll be making all local stops. It'll be worse than the status quo, which is "as fast as a car and as expensive as an airline ticket."
 
2012-04-20 01:36:31 PM  

groppet: So the new name will be US Americans?


Maps and such.
 
2012-04-20 01:38:02 PM  
Well, I fly Alaska Airlines, with decent seats, few delays, good customer service, and a policy that if your bags aren't out within 20 minutes of the plane hitting the gate, you get 2000 frequent flyer miles or a $20 coupon off your next flight, so I'm getting a kick.

/of course, I live in Fairbanks, AK, so there are some drawbacks.
 
2012-04-20 01:43:29 PM  
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I wonder if this will affect Ozark's routes?
 
2012-04-20 01:44:37 PM  
This is why I pretty much fly United whenever I'm going on domestic travel. I miss Midwest Express, though. Do they still serve cookies and champagne?
 
2012-04-20 01:58:38 PM  

Treygreen13: groppet: So the new name will be US Americans?

Maps and such.


Featuring non-stop flights to South Africa and The Iraq.

coming soon: The Asian Countries

and such like
 
2012-04-20 01:59:09 PM  
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Welcome to the New World Order
1 airline is not a monopoly if it is for your Safety. The 4 will become 1! AMERICAs Airline; fasst service, friendly (TS)Agents, low rates and your kids groped for free*
*RCC approved
/i mean hell, who doesn't a helen keller s. iT in the woods
 
2012-04-20 02:01:22 PM  
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2012-04-20 02:12:11 PM  
I hope they can utilize synergy to increase efficiency in their baggage loss rates.
 
2012-04-20 02:14:23 PM  

Gig103: I don't even think the Continental/United merger should have gone through -- now we have airlines too big to fail in addition to banks too big to fail. GREAAAT.


The United merger isn't to blame for this, Delta/Northwest is. That created a mega airline that the others now have no choice but to compete against. Unfortunately, given the economic and energy conditions, it's probably necessary for their survival. However, any mergers past this point would be farking stupid.

And yes, if the United merger is anything to go on, this will be a combination of the worst aspects of both airlines.

Has anyone noticed that Southwest's fares are downright awful these days? Even advanced purchase fares are $500+ r/t to fly cross country. This is way out of proportion to the jump in oil prices (especially compared to 2008), and I wonder how much can be attributed to the consolidation of the industry and reduced competition.
 
2012-04-20 02:16:37 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Gig103: So we'll be down to four airlines that matter: DeltaTerrible customer service, UnitedIT trainwreck, SouthwestCattlecar boarding/no frills, and Useless.

FTFY. :)

/if this goes through, we will have no airline industry left to speak of.


One question- what makes Southwest any more cattlecar/no frills than any other airline?

Sure, there's no assigned seats and no first class, but that seems to be about it. The other airlines now charge for baggage (even carryons for some of them), don't provide meals, and generally nickel and dime your sorry ass for most anything anymore.

Not particularly defending Southwest, I just find it amusing that what used to be the no frills cheap carrier now provides services the "higher end" ones don't.
 
2012-04-20 02:18:44 PM  

ImpendingCynic: Has anyone noticed that Southwest's fares are downright awful these days? Even advanced purchase fares are $500+ r/t to fly cross country. This is way out of proportion to the jump in oil prices (especially compared to 2008), and I wonder how much can be attributed to the consolidation of the industry and reduced competition.


Hard to say. One reason Southwest's fares used to be so low was because they had hedged fuel prices to a fare thee well. They could hold the line on pricing more than other airlines as oil rose, but as those contracts ran out, they had no choice but to adjust pricing to reflect the new higher oil prices.

I also expect that with other airlines charging for things Southwest gives for free (like baggage and a relatively easy to deal with cancellation policy) their prices may well end up slightly higher.
 
2012-04-20 02:20:33 PM  

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: This is why I pretty much fly United whenever I'm going on domestic travel. I miss Midwest Express, though. Do they still serve cookies and champagne?


They don't exist anymore. They were purchased by Frontier, who recently announced they will be discontinuing serving the cookie on their flights, though the Midwest Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough will still be available in Milwaukee stores.
 
2012-04-20 02:25:04 PM  
I find the AA flight waitresses to be particularly surly and nasty. Never had a nice one.

Ever.
 
2012-04-20 02:32:00 PM  
Chapter 11 coming in 5...4...3....
 
2012-04-20 02:33:04 PM  
Talk about a potential mess. US Scar still hasn't merged the flight attendant unions and the pilot unions from the America West merger back in 2005. If the merger happens, there would be 3 union groups all fighting over how to integrate routes and seniority lists.

I'll be using up every last one of my AA frequent flyer miles before it becomes final so I can walk away from them and never look back. I prefer HA and Southwest anyway.
 
2012-04-20 02:35:19 PM  
I hope that the Justice Department will prevent the merger from happening as it did with AT&T and T-Mobile USA.

We can't have one national airline.
 
2012-04-20 02:35:42 PM  

Gig103: So we'll be down to four airlines that matter: Delta, United, Southwest, and Useless. How could the government even remotely consider allowing that merger? As if prices aren't already effectively the result of collusion (pops).

I don't even think the Continental/United merger should have gone through -- now we have airlines too big to fail in addition to banks too big to fail. GREAAAT.


Jetblue matters, and Alaskan.
 
2012-04-20 02:37:39 PM  
Christ, as a BA elite this is scary. US Airways is like Ryan Air at Concorde prices. Which alliance will they go with?
 
2012-04-20 02:46:51 PM  

flaEsq: Chapter 11 arriving gate 15...16...17...


FTFM
 
2012-04-20 03:00:17 PM  
media.rhizome.org

Finally we will have an airline for US Americans.
 
2012-04-20 03:04:01 PM  
I never had a problem with airline tickets being expensive. It's air travel - it's supposed to be expensive.

What I have a problem with is the crazy fake-low prices that are destroying competition. The government has done a terrible job of regulating this industry to prevent unfair practices and stupid price wars. The end result will be that they'll end up with airlines that are TOO essential and we'll have to bail out their bad practices with taxpayer money just like Detroit.
 
2012-04-20 03:10:31 PM  

cefm: The government has done a terrible job of regulating this industry


Umm... Link
 
2012-04-20 03:10:44 PM  

cefm: The government has done a terrible job of regulating this industry to prevent unfair practices and stupid price wars.


quizzical-jimmy-carter.jpg
 
2012-04-20 03:15:53 PM  

groppet: So the new name will be US Americans?


Nah. More like AmericaNUS Airlines.

Come fly the brown eye...United Package Smashers already has copyright on 'What Can Brown Do For You?"
 
2012-04-20 03:37:39 PM  

digistil: Christ, as a BA elite this is scary. US Airways is like Ryan Air at Concorde prices. Which alliance will they go with?


I would think they would be in Oneworld
 
2012-04-20 03:52:05 PM  

King Something: Nadie_AZ: Between them and the TSA, it is becoming harder and harder to want to consider justifying flying anywhere inside the US.

Too far to drive, and train service has been legislated into uselessness outside of the northeast corridor. Considering that it'll be years (if not decades) before we can even begin to try to un-useless this country's passenger rail system with high-speed rail, and the fact that every one-horse town between the major cities connected by HSR will only allow the rail to be built if they get a train station, and we'll get trains that can run at 250-300 MPH chugging along at about 60 MPH because it'll be making all local stops. It'll be worse than the status quo, which is "as fast as a car and as expensive as an airline ticket."


How are the buses holding out?

//maybe I'll just walk.
 
2012-04-20 04:07:08 PM  

akula: ImpendingCynic: Has anyone noticed that Southwest's fares are downright awful these days? Even advanced purchase fares are $500+ r/t to fly cross country. This is way out of proportion to the jump in oil prices (especially compared to 2008), and I wonder how much can be attributed to the consolidation of the industry and reduced competition.

Hard to say. One reason Southwest's fares used to be so low was because they had hedged fuel prices to a fare thee well. They could hold the line on pricing more than other airlines as oil rose, but as those contracts ran out, they had no choice but to adjust pricing to reflect the new higher oil prices.

I also expect that with other airlines charging for things Southwest gives for free (like baggage and a relatively easy to deal with cancellation policy) their prices may well end up slightly higher.


Southwest still hedges their fuel, local news stated it was the only reason for their $98M Q1 profit this year, but yes, the locked-in pricing has obviously risen as the old positions expire and they lock into new ones.

Earlier this year, we had to book last minute (literally, less than a week before we flew) RT tickets from DFW to ORD and the fares were obviously ridiculous (~$600/ea on SW, even worse on UA and AA)....except for Spirit. For $525 we purchased:

- 2 RT tickets
- 3 days Avis car rental
- 2 nights HoJo stay

That's $525 all in....taxes, fees, everything. The hotel and rental were about $175 so you're talking $175/pp for last minute RT tickets. Granted we didn't have any checked bags, but EVERYONE (sans SW) is charging for checked bags, so Spirit is no worse than the others in that aspect.

/CSB
 
2012-04-20 04:16:10 PM  
I wonder what they'll be called? Patriot Airlines? Anyway, US Air was surprisingly unhorrible last time I flew them to Phoenix. The seats are pretty comfy and it was way cheaper than Southwest. That's my standard tho at this point.
 
2012-04-20 04:16:59 PM  

akula: ImpendingCynic: Has anyone noticed that Southwest's fares are downright awful these days? Even advanced purchase fares are $500+ r/t to fly cross country. This is way out of proportion to the jump in oil prices (especially compared to 2008), and I wonder how much can be attributed to the consolidation of the industry and reduced competition.

Hard to say. One reason Southwest's fares used to be so low was because they had hedged fuel prices to a fare thee well. They could hold the line on pricing more than other airlines as oil rose, but as those contracts ran out, they had no choice but to adjust pricing to reflect the new higher oil prices.

I also expect that with other airlines charging for things Southwest gives for free (like baggage and a relatively easy to deal with cancellation policy) their prices may well end up slightly higher.


I was looking for flights for a convention trip I take each year. The last few years I was flying Southwest and driving an hour (Southwest does not fly into the city where the convention is). This year, I said "Whoa! $400? Are you kidding me?" I looked at US Airways. Even with the baggage fee, US Airways is cheaper AND it's a flight direct to the city where the convention is.
 
2012-04-20 04:54:18 PM  

bhcompy: Gig103: So we'll be down to four airlines that matter: Delta, United, Southwest, and Useless. How could the government even remotely consider allowing that merger? As if prices aren't already effectively the result of collusion (pops).

I don't even think the Continental/United merger should have gone through -- now we have airlines too big to fail in addition to banks too big to fail. GREAAAT.

Jetblue matters, and Alaskan.


Alaska is a damn good airline. Wish they flew more routes further in than the West Coast.
 
2012-04-20 05:05:33 PM  

MBrady: akula: ImpendingCynic: Has anyone noticed that Southwest's fares are downright awful these days? Even advanced purchase fares are $500+ r/t to fly cross country. This is way out of proportion to the jump in oil prices (especially compared to 2008), and I wonder how much can be attributed to the consolidation of the industry and reduced competition.

Hard to say. One reason Southwest's fares used to be so low was because they had hedged fuel prices to a fare thee well. They could hold the line on pricing more than other airlines as oil rose, but as those contracts ran out, they had no choice but to adjust pricing to reflect the new higher oil prices.

I also expect that with other airlines charging for things Southwest gives for free (like baggage and a relatively easy to deal with cancellation policy) their prices may well end up slightly higher.

I was looking for flights for a convention trip I take each year. The last few years I was flying Southwest and driving an hour (Southwest does not fly into the city where the convention is). This year, I said "Whoa! $400? Are you kidding me?" I looked at US Airways. Even with the baggage fee, US Airways is cheaper AND it's a flight direct to the city where the convention is.


Southwest makes you book on thier website. They hope you don't notice those cheaper flights over on Expedia.
 
2012-04-20 05:25:11 PM  

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: That's $525 all in....taxes, fees, everything. The hotel and rental were about $175 so you're talking $175/pp for last minute RT tickets. Granted we didn't have any checked bags, but EVERYONE (sans SW) is charging for checked bags, so Spirit is no worse than the others in that aspect.


JetBlue still has the first bag free, free DirecTV and decent free snacks.
 
2012-04-20 06:59:10 PM  

Gig103: So we'll be down to four airlines that matter: Delta, United, Southwest, and Useless. How could the government even remotely consider allowing that merger? As if prices aren't already effectively the result of collusion (pops).

I don't even think the Continental/United merger should have gone through -- now we have airlines too big to fail in addition to banks too big to fail. GREAAAT.


They are attempting to raise fees to counteract decades of price reductions. Real ticket prices (including baggage fees, taxes, etc.) are on a long term decline. American is also in bankruptcy and struggling to find creditors. Without a merger there are real questions about them returning which means still have 4 airlines.
 
2012-04-20 07:10:18 PM  
Hmm all this hate for USAirways... I am an elite with them and have never had a problem with them.

Well, keep up the hate, less FFliers to contend with to take my O seats.
 
2012-04-20 07:40:42 PM  

cybrwzrd: Hmm all this hate for USAirways... I am an elite with them and have never had a problem with them.

Well, keep up the hate, less FFliers to contend with to take my O seats.


I don't know how you deal with their filthy planes and pissed off staff.

I'm a million miler on AA. If this goes through, I'm switching airlines. I've always had a policy that if my only choice for airfare is US-Air, I'll walk.
 
2012-04-20 09:21:31 PM  

cybrwzrd: Hmm all this hate for USAirways... I am an elite with them and have never had a problem with them.


Have you flown with them to Pittsburgh or Philly yet?

That'll changed your perception of US Airways real quick and because of the way I was treated in Pittsburgh and Philly, I will have a burning hatred for US Airways that has the intensity of a 1000 suns.

If you're going to cancel a flight because it's not full enough, don't pussy out and tell us it's because of a "mechanical issue" and making me have to fly to DC to get back in St. Louis even though I wasn't planning on flying to DCA that day!
 
2012-04-20 09:22:53 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: I find the AA flight waitresses to be particularly surly and nasty. Never had a nice one.

Ever.


I've had many that were very pleasant, much more frequently than any I'd consider 'surly'. But I'm only putting ~50k miles/year in the air, others that fly more may have a different experience.
 
2012-04-20 09:52:04 PM  

ohknaks: cybrwzrd: Hmm all this hate for USAirways... I am an elite with them and have never had a problem with them.

Well, keep up the hate, less FFliers to contend with to take my O seats.

I don't know how you deal with their filthy planes and pissed off staff.

I'm a million miler on AA. If this goes through, I'm switching airlines. I've always had a policy that if my only choice for airfare is US-Air, I'll walk.


I fly US usually through CLT or PHX depending on my final destination. Planes are pretty clean, seats are comfy and the flight attendants like to get first class passengers drunk. Actually, I have to commend many of the flight crews for having a sense of humor during announcements and the credit card pitch. The PHX lounge kind of sucks because the service is slow, but the bartenders in CLT make up for them.
 
2012-04-20 10:24:34 PM  
If the feds blocked the ATT / TMobile merger because it would adversely reduce competition I expect they're warming up their legal briefs against this airline merger already.
 
2012-04-20 10:26:15 PM  

wildcardjack: If the feds blocked the ATT / TMobile merger because it would adversely reduce competition I expect they're warming up their legal briefs against this airline merger already.


They didn't stop Delta/Northwest or United/Continental or Southwest/Airtran.
 
2012-04-20 10:29:11 PM  

ohknaks: cybrwzrd: Hmm all this hate for USAirways... I am an elite with them and have never had a problem with them.

Well, keep up the hate, less FFliers to contend with to take my O seats.

I don't know how you deal with their filthy planes and pissed off staff.

I'm a million miler on AA. If this goes through, I'm switching airlines. I've always had a policy that if my only choice for airfare is US-Air, I'll walk.


I'm in the exact same spot, but live in Dallas :(

My choices are
Delta through Atlanta or Detoit
United through Chicago
Southwest through Austin
Or American

Ugh. Connections when you fly 50+times a year really make life suck.
 
2012-04-20 10:44:02 PM  
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2012-04-20 01:44:37 PM
This is why I pretty much fly United whenever I'm going on domestic travel. I miss Midwest Express, though. Do they still serve cookies and champagne?

No, Cookies are stopped. I'm from WI, live in Phoenix, and flying Midwest here and to Boston for a conference,
and San Fran it was the ULTIMATE airline. Cookies baked onboard, free champagne on am flights, free wine on evening flights,
FREE FOOD (eggs benedict on the am flight, steaks on evening flights) On REAL CHINA PLATES WITH METAL SILVERWARE
and your OWN salt and pepper SHAKERS!!!
AND THE WHOLE DAMN PLANE WAS FIRST CLASS SEATS!!

They got bought out by Frontier a while ago, who said recently "no more cookies".
Hell, I'd be sleeping and they left me cookies!!

US Airways want's to buy American. 3000 jobs GONE from Phoenix. Just talking to a flight attendant friend
about that tonight. He would lose his job.

Need another upstart "Midwest Express" to actually show they CARE about customers.
 
2012-04-20 10:50:34 PM  
I could go into all the ways that US Airways managed to fark me over in less than a day, but I really don't like thinking back to a moment of my life where I legitimately thought I was dead and in limbo.

American has always been...there. It's by far not my favorite airline, but of the legacy carriers they're the ones who've screwed me the least. They're not awful, but they're certainly not anywhere near the top.

I suppose I could always move over to United when JetBlue or Virgin America don't go where I need to be. But, ugh...EWR...
 
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