If nothing else, I think we all can agree that Zimmerman is one dumb motherfarkin wanna be cop.

9beers' penis is going to be severely chafed after this whole saga.

Gladys: ddam: Doesn't Martin have the same right to stand his ground and defend himself?

Where is there evidence that he was attacked or needed to defend himself

In his chest.

karmaceutical: So if Zimmerman is acquitted, then the courts have decided that under Florida law, it is okay to shoot someone dead if you are loosing a fist fight. Lovely.

Also, I agree that those wounds on the his head are scratches. Anyone who has had a real impact type laceration on the head knows that they bleed like a gusher, not the trickle that the photo is showing.

In your opinion what is an appropriate response if you are pinned under someone and getting your head hit against concrete. Should you let yourself lose consciousness and hope the person on top leaves or shoot them.

The Envoy: 9beers' penis is going to be severely chafed after this whole saga.

He melts skittles down into a lube and tugs with a hoodie.

Mugato: "you can shoot anyone who you are afraid of"

Except that's not what the law says at all.

NightOwl2255: Madbassist1: it seems the most likely explanation is zimmerman is confronts martin (as per his gf's testimony) martin punches him in the nose,

Keep in mind, one of the two does have a documented history of aggression and violence. Here's a hint, it's not Martin.

So punching a bus driver is not? Wow, are there unicorns in your world too?

Grables'Daughter: IANAL, but after watching the video, it seemed that Zimmerman handled himself extremely well, and the prosecutor really screwed up.

He should NOT have asked the questions without knowing the answers first.

I know, the prosecutor sounded flaming mad. AFTER YOU COMMIMTED THAT CRIME DID YOU...!?!?!

That kind of attitude in court will bite him in the ass eventually.

2 grams: Zizzowop: s2s2s2: Zizzowop:


Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

You sounded just like Dirty Harry


Actually that's Ferris Bueller.

Not sure if serious, you know that IS a line in Ferris Bueller right.
/They think he's a righteous dude

Serious Black: When the 911 dispatcher tells you not to chase somebody down in an act of vigilante justice and you do it anyway, you're not reducing crime.

Don't let the facts get in the way of your opinion.

1) Did the 911 operator tell him to not chase down Martin? No. The 911 operator said "we don't need you to do that." Of course, it sounds better if you exaggerate it to fit your story, right?

2) Have you listened to the 911 tape? Something significant changes immediately after the 911 operator says that they "don't need [him] to do that." Hints: wind noise and what Zimmerman said regarding where Martin was at that point. Listen to the tape yourself and see if you can figure it out.

Gladys

>>> Fart_Machine: Guy stalking you in the middle of the night. Nothing threatening there.

'Stalking' implies secrecy. Zimmerman was in contact with 911 operators during the ordeal. I wasn't aware stalkers let the authorities know that they were breaking the law.

As F.M. clearly demonstrates for us, you should not expect logic or honesty from the left.

2wolves: I wonder if the State, during discovery, will get the psych eval from Mr. Zimmerman's failed attempt to become a LEO.

Discovery is a one way street. Defense gets to use it and prosecution does not. Defense gets to know all the prosecution does, not the other way around. Also that would be a hippa violation most likely (i am less sure of this part)

karmaceutical: So if Zimmerman is acquitted, then the courts have decided that under Florida law, it is okay to shoot someone dead if you are loosing a fist fight. Lovely.

Also, I agree that those wounds on the his head are scratches. Anyone who has had a real impact type laceration on the head knows that they bleed like a gusher, not the trickle that the photo is showing.

So what you are saying is that it is not possible to hit your head hard onto the sidewalk without huge lacerations?

s2s2s2: He melts skittles down into a lube and tugs with a hoodie.

I would never waste Skittles, they're delicious. As a matter of fact, I just finished a pack and am looking at another 4 packs, sitting on my counter. Two packs of sour, one regular and one blenders.

9beers: Mugato: "you can shoot anyone who you are afraid of"

Except that's not what the law says at all.

Exactly. "Reasonable belief" means something completely different than "are afraid of."

s2s2s2: The Envoy: 9beers' penis is going to be severely chafed after this whole saga.

He melts skittles down into a lube and tugs with a hoodie.

That's disgusting. I'm going to try it.

9beers: Mugato: "you can shoot anyone who you are afraid of"

Except that's not what the law says at all.

It's funny how much total BS like that comes out, but you are the troll here.

Primum: GZ not following the order of the dispatcher is like a wanna-be extreme skier disregarding warnings and getting seriously hurt falling down the side of a mountain.

As much as I think Zimmerman is a danger to society, a 911 operator has no authority to tell you to do anything. I don't even think the cops can. If I am out on a bar-crawl with my buddies, and a cop says to me "hey man you should prolly go home", I don't have to.

s2s2s2: Zizzowop: The bottom line I think is that if George didn't think he was the Green Lantern, none of this would have happened.

Or alternately: If Trayvon didn't think he could hide, wait, and attack this guy...

I read it on Breitbart!

karmaceutical: So if Zimmerman is acquitted, then the courts have decided that under Florida law, it is okay to shoot someone dead if you are loosing a fist fight. Lovely.

Also, I agree that those wounds on the his head are scratches. Anyone who has had a real impact type laceration on the head knows that they bleed like a gusher, not the trickle that the photo is showing.

Did I see a different picture than you? His hair looks pretty mopped with blood in a large diameter around the cuts. I know head wounds bleed profusely, but that looks like he might need a few stitches.

I'm a fairly tall guy (6'4") and I have nailed my head on so many things, a couple times to blur my vision and bring to my knees, yet I had no profuse head wound or bleeding. Slamming your head that hard to cause those types of wounds must of been quite a bit of force. I can see how you would feel threatened for your life if your head was being repeatedly smashed like that, regardless of how scientifically life threatening it actually is.

Same things I keep having to say in every thread about this I bother with:

Zimmerman is not white. He's a mestizo, by definition. I don't care what the American government says; they think Osama bin Laden was "white" as well.

Zimmerman should not have followed Martin. Seems really paranoid and dangerous. I would not want to live around this guy.

A dispatcher cannot "order" anyone to do anything. They're just call-takers making like $13/hour.

Carry on.

OwnTheRide: 2) Have you listened to the 911 tape? Something significant changes immediately after the 911 operator says that they "don't need [him] to do that." Hints: wind noise and what Zimmerman said regarding where Martin was at that point. Listen to the tape yourself and see if you can figure it out.

To be fair, if you listen to the 911 tapes backwards, you can clearly heat satan repeating the words, "CONVIIIICT ZIMMERMAN!"

Though it does also sound a bit like "Conflict: Zipper-Pen!"

9beers: s2s2s2: He melts skittles down into a lube and tugs with a hoodie.

I would never waste Skittles, they're delicious. As a matter of fact, I just finished a pack and am looking at another 4 packs, sitting on my counter. Two packs of sour, one regular and one blenders.

It's nice to know you can take a joke.

omeganuepsilon: It's funny how much total BS like that comes out, but you are the Christmas troll here.

FTFY ;)

Carth: In your opinion what is an appropriate response if you are pinned under someone and getting your head hit against concrete.

An appropriate response would be to lose consciousness.

indylaw: I read it on Breitbart!

No you didn't, and I respect you for that.

s2s2s2: It's nice to know you can take a joke.

I also have 6 packs of Starburst, would those work? I like them too but not as much as the Skittles.

9beers: s2s2s2: It's nice to know you can take a joke.

I also have 6 packs of Starburst, would those work? I like them too but not as much as the Skittles.

You're a poser if you have no Sour Patch Kids or Sour Patch Watermelons

karmaceutical: So if Zimmerman is acquitted, then the courts have decided that under Florida law, it is okay to shoot someone dead if you are loosing a fist fight. Lovely.

No, it would be ok to pull your weapon and shoot someone when you feel your life is in jeopardy. If Martin saw the gun and was going after it, what would you want Z to do?

Also, I agree that those wounds on the his head are scratches. Anyone who has had a real impact type laceration on the head knows that they bleed like a gusher, not the trickle that the photo is showing.

Now you're trolling.... in that ABC photo, right cut, above all the blood (trickling as you say) you can clearly see the gash, head opening wound.

stfu

jfivealive: I'm a fairly tall guy (6'4") and I have nailed my head on so many things, a couple times to blur my vision and bring to my knees, yet I had no profuse head wound or bleeding. Slamming your head that hard to cause those types of wounds must of been quite a bit of force. I can see how you would feel threatened for your life if your head was being repeatedly smashed like that, regardless of how scientifically life threatening it actually is.

Just replace "gun owner" with "Gitmo Detainee" and watch as they run to the opposite end of logic.

Madbassist1:
You don't know what you're talking about, so it is understandable that you reach an erroneous conclusion by looking at a misleading photo.

Any pro wrestling fan will tell you that head and scalp injuries are horrific bleeders. It's part of the act for them. I tiny nick in your scalp? What looks like a ton of blood. It's a fact. Those 2 little scrapes look life threatening, but they're not. Also remember Zimmy initiated the confrontation. In my book, that strips him of his protection.

Let me comment on the bolded part first. Unless you were there, you have no idea how the physical confrontation started. THAT factor will be the primary determinant in whether or not Zimmerman is innocent or guilty. I don't know how it started, and neither do you. To say otherwise is moronic. Remember, Zimmerman can get out of his car, he can walk on public property and follow Martin. That isn't a crime. The two can even get into an argument with each other. At worst these are circumstances which may mitigate or exacerbate Zimmerman's guilt. However, when taken alone, not a crime. The crime occurred when the physical altercation started, and that is the crux of Zimmerman's guilt/innocence. If it can be proven that Zimmerman was the first to lay a hand (or attempt to lay a hand) on Martin, then he's guilty. If not, then it comes down to what the evidence supports as to whether or not he's guilty (and to what extent).

As for your comment about not knowing what I'm talking about. Yes, thank you for reiterating what pretty much everyone knows. Head wounds have a tendency to be bloody. I'm sure if you were in an altercation and realized you were bleeding from the head that you'd just shrug it off. No, your adrenaline would go into overdrive and the fight/flight instinct would kick in. It's common, unless you're expecting it (see professional wrestling) and even then it can get the better of you.

Did you see a pic of the wound itself, or the hematoma afterwards based on the amount of force hitting the ground? Neither did I, but it goes a long way towards further confirming or repudiating Zimmerman's claims. As I said before (and which your reading comprehension can't seem to master) is that these aren't childhood scrapes as the OP suggested, but they also don't appear to be life threatening. I don't even know if Zimmerman wiped blood off his head to make it look less severe than it did (which is something most people would do to check the extent of the wound once they realized they were bleeding).

FWIW: the bruising on his head would tell a lot more than the bleeding. According to Zimmerman, his head was smashed against the ground, not dragged. The bleeding is evidence of impact (of some sort), but you'd also have the bruising from the point of impact. It's a significantly different pattern of bruise than one would get rolling around on the ground. Unfortunately, the picture washes out a lot of the contrast, so we can't determine that one way or the other.

All of these are important facts which either strengthen or repudiate Zimmerman's claims. I didn't say that Zimmerman was innocent, nor that he was guilty, only that to make a casual remark such as the OP ignores a lot of other items that are important. The importance of this picture is that it shows us that Zimmerman's story is more credible than the talking heads would have us believe. Hopefully, someone is going down that rabbit hole to see where it leads (i.e., if it was caused by the two of them scuffling on the ground, self-inflicted by Zimmerman in an attempt to appear the victim, caused by Martin slamming his head into the sidewalk, or something else).

Unlike you, I haven't made a decision yet.

omeganuepsilon: Grables'Daughter: IANAL, but after watching the video, it seemed that Zimmerman handled himself extremely well, and the prosecutor really screwed up.

He should NOT have asked the questions without knowing the answers first.

I know, the prosecutor sounded flaming mad. AFTER YOU COMMIMTED THAT CRIME DID YOU...!?!?!

That kind of attitude in court will bite him in the ass eventually.

Yep. And you're right - I hadn't thought about the point that you brought up. "After you committed that crime did you..." Zimmerman should have answered "Self defense is not a crime."

THAT would have been brilliant, IMO.

The prosecutor also just assumed that Mr. Zimmerman had not expressed remorse to the police after he said he was sorry. It really made the prosecutor look bad, IMO when Zimmerman said "yes, I did do that".

THEN the prosecutor asks "Why did you wait so long?" trying to make GZ look bad, and GZ very reasonably answered "I was told no to communicate with the victims families by my lawyer."

The forensics experts at DU are continuing their work at disproving the Zimmerman blood picture. They've pretty well solved this thing.

Link

Here are some choice genius statements:

- OMG - that doesn't look like his blood

Yeah, you can tell by looking at it that it's not white/hispanic blood, but actually a black man's blood!

- That doesn't even look like the back of his head, more lying bullshiat from the zimmerman the murderers corner

- And you are right the murderers head is more squarish and his neck is almost nonexistent. This is not the same person and someone is committing a crime by suggesting it is. IMO

- And the fact that these wounds are horizontal while the "enhanced" pics show vertical wounds?
Lemme guess, they moved around during the ride to the station? You must be exhausted with all the mental gymnastics you participate in viciously defending a murderer.

- It looks like he was wearing a ball cap and he got scatched by the back of the cap

Red food coloring is what it looks like to me

Holy shiat. DU is the equivalent of the retards on Freerepublic.

LawPD: Gladys: The moral of the story here, kids: Don't attack somebody who has a gun.

Nah the moral of the story here is. Leave the job of being a cop to the police.

Totally right, we should never try to deter crime in our neighborhoods. Just head down, and keep to yourself.

It is working so well the in the inner cities, Snitches get stitches after all.

9beers: s2s2s2: It's nice to know you can take a joke.

I also have 6 packs of Starburst, would those work? I like them too but not as much as the Skittles.

I don't think so, but you could warm them up then mash them together to form a long thin shape and...

Um, nevermind.

vegasj: karmaceutical: So if Zimmerman is acquitted, then the courts have decided that under Florida law, it is okay to shoot someone dead if you are loosing a fist fight. Lovely.
No, it would be ok to pull your weapon and shoot someone when you feel your life is in jeopardy. If Martin saw the gun and was going after it, what would you want Z to do?
Also, I agree that those wounds on the his head are scratches. Anyone who has had a real impact type laceration on the head knows that they bleed like a gusher, not the trickle that the photo is showing.
Now you're trolling.... in that ABC photo, right cut, above all the blood (trickling as you say) you can clearly see the gash, head opening wound.

stfu

Head opening wound for sure, couldn't see any brains though.

/didn't expect to.

jfivealive: You're a poser if you have no Sour Patch Kids or Sour Patch Watermelons

I gave up on Sour Patch Kids, they always shred the roof of my mouth and tongue.

factoryconnection: It is reasonable that he was granted bail; he didn't flee when he was completely free to and the money is enough to keep his easily-recognized face local. Bail isn't a punishment.

Anyone see the "graphic" image of his head wound from the night he killed Trayvon Martin? My kids get worse wounds from stumbling on the sidewalk... but it is yet another layer to the story being best judged in a formal trial.

Trayvon could have raped him and put his weiner in Zimmerman's ear too. How assaulted does one have to be before they are allowed to defend themselves?

Grables'Daughter: THEN the prosecutor asks "Why did you wait so long?" trying to make GZ look bad, and GZ very reasonably answered "I was told no to communicate with the victims families by my lawyer."

My favorite moment of the exchange was when the prosecutor asked if GZ was doing it as a show for the media.

topcon: Have we all forgotten that Zimmerman is a registered Democrat? That particular talking point seems to have went by the wayside. I do love talking points.

Explain the relevance. One's politics doesn't excuse one's behaviors.

topcon: Holy shiat. DU is the equivalent of the retards on Freerepublic.

They should ban people who are even making threads like that on "democratic" underground. Not sure what this case has to do at all with partisan politics.

9beers: s2s2s2: It's nice to know you can take a joke.

I also have 6 packs of Starburst, would those work? I like them too but not as much as the Skittles.


Yep.

Sounds like he won't be out until Monday. They need to make arrangements with the tether as well as travel plans to get him out of dodge.

NightOwl2255: Madbassist1: it seems the most likely explanation is zimmerman is confronts martin (as per his gf's testimony) martin punches him in the nose,

Keep in mind, one of the two does have a documented history of aggression and violence. Here's a hint, it's not Martin.

Wrong

Martin has three major school suspensions.....two of them definitely resulted in a criminal record (burglary tools, drugs). Burglary suspicion kinda kills the "Trayvon wasnt violence or aggresive" argument. Also, calling yourself No Limit N--- does not help either

Zizzowop: 2 grams: Zizzowop: s2s2s2: Zizzowop:


Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

You sounded just like Dirty Harry


Actually that's Ferris Bueller.

Not sure if serious, you know that IS a line in Ferris Bueller right.
/They think he's a righteous dude

Of course .

I haven't been following your specific thread/conversation. But actualy laghed when I read the last post. Dirty Harry? Thats' Ferris!!!!

(wow has it been 26 years since that came out.? Get the hell off my lawn!)

karmaceutical: Uncle_Slacker: I heard someone say this the other day: All of this could have been avoided if Trayvon had called 911 and said, "some guy is following me and I'm scared, please send the cops a.s.a.p!"

Funny thing is... that is the exact behavior that these stupid NRA sponsored "stand your ground" laws are against. Now can someone please tell me how the NRA is making our world a better place?

No, the laws are not "against" anything, they remove the standard requirement to flee/escape an engagement(which can make self defense an impossible plea).

stoli n coke:
Something I don't get is, if someone has what can be indicated as a serious head injury, they get taken to the hospital for a headscan to check for concussions and brain injuries.

That protects EMS from liability if they treat someone at the scene and they go home and die. And many times it is not an option. They put you in and you go, whether you think you're okay or not. Saw that myself a few years ago when a pitcher took a line drive to the head during a softball game.

Why didn't Zimmerman go to the hospital after this pummeling against the concrete?

That's a question I've been asking for a while as well. I'd love to read the EMS report (which would have a better description of the actual injuries), their assessment, and whether they suggested that Zimmerman seek additional treatment at a hospital.

If someone smacked my head against the concrete a few times, I'd want to go to the hospital regardless of the amount of bleeding. It's just common sense to me, and in a situation like this, it's an absolute necessity.

It's one of many things that have me doing the quizzical dog look when I read about this case.

Martin's family needs a new attorney, this Crump dude is a blabbering idiot that talks like he has a third grade education.