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2012-04-20 02:57:29 PM  

vegasj: [i39.tinypic.com image 640x360]


Racism at its finest. You'd make the Klan proud.
 
2012-04-20 02:57:54 PM  

Grables'Daughter: Private_Citizen: Grables'Daughter: umad: I dream of the day I get to make sex with a woman who is still breathing.

/maces umad

Better watch out, he's likely to feel threatened and be forced to defend himself!

Then I will stand my ground.

Or he will.

Or something.


Ye ha! Fastest gun wins!!
 
2012-04-20 02:58:30 PM  

Thunderpipes: Little League starts tonight, and my 7 year old step son can actually hit really well (he sucks at everything else). Fields are right on Lake Champlain, picture perfect day. Amazing how getting outside and having stuff to do makes you just not care about silly things. Then late night Diablo and beer until I pass out. Yay!


I will be stopping to fish, then going home to smoke a bong, maybe take one of the horses on a short trail ride then cook on the grill and smoke some more until I fall asleep. Oh yeah, meteor shower tonight, starting at 12.
 
2012-04-20 02:58:51 PM  

valar_morghulis: vegasj: [i39.tinypic.com image 640x360]

Racism at its finest. You'd make the Klan proud.


MEDICAL RECORDS.
 
2012-04-20 02:58:59 PM  
This is my understanding of the events.

1) Zimmerman obviously followed the kid, almost definitely picked a fight by following a kid who was probably getting scared.
2) Martin most likely defended himself or might have gone on the offensive because some weird guy is following him.
3) Zimmerman was getting beat up and resorted to shooting the kid.

This is what applies in a court of law:
1) Police have no evidence Zimmerman started the fight, only a vague 911 call that shows he disobeyed an order from the dispatcher to not follow the kid.
2) There's no evidence he wasn't attacked, and there is some evidence he was at least in a fight.
3) Zimmerman claims he was attacked.
4) The other witness is dead.
5) The law says you can shoot someone in self defense provided you are attacked.

That's it. Because you are innocent until proven guilty, the prosecution has to prove he attacked Martin and not the other way around. Knowing that he followed someone proves nothing. And since the prosecution can't prove Zimmerman started the fight...they can't prove he's guilty. Case closed, at least on a murder charge. Whether or not the kid was a troublemaker is irrelevant, except if you want to make a case that he was a bad kid. News flash - all teenagers are troublemakers. That doesn't mean they deserve to die. Defense will probably try the character assassination route though, which is too bad for the mother and family and friends of Martin.

In my estimation, the police are at fault, for not following up on Zimmerman's call, for not defusing the situation earlier, for not doing a better job of managing a crime scene and interrogating the witness. And now this same group of people are throwing the book at the guy who shot the kid. Regardless of whether Zimmerman was racist, just about everyone in this story farked up.
 
2012-04-20 02:59:17 PM  

valar_morghulis: vegasj: [i39.tinypic.com image 640x360]

Racism at its finest. You'd make the Klan proud.


This is a guy who posted a pic of the G20 riot in Toronto as a race riot.

Because we all know there were tons of black people rioting in Toronto over the G20!

/rolls eyes
//Glad he's getting called out on it though
 
2012-04-20 03:00:27 PM  

NightOwl2255: UCFRoadWarrior: Martin has three major school suspensions.....two of them definitely resulted in a criminal record (burglary tools, drugs). Burglary suspicion kinda kills the "Trayvon wasnt violence or aggresive" argument.

No, did not result in a criminal record. No changes filed. No case adjudicated. Nice try. And, as stated, no documented history of aggression and violence. Wanna try again?


In Florida, when you are busted for drug possession on a school campus, you are also charged with a crime under Florida's Zero Tolerance laws. Yes, Trayvon has a juvenile record. All drug cases on school grounds have to be reported to police
 
2012-04-20 03:00:37 PM  

Headso: omeganuepsilon: They've got their Belief, can't be bothered with facts..

yeah, the guy who says blacks don't care about black on black crime is very concerned about facts.


He is. Just not really keen on specificity, tacking on "some" or "many" to that statement is not really all that required, unless you need to defend from pedant troll race-baiters. Welcome to Fark!
 
2012-04-20 03:01:33 PM  
I guess my problem with all of this is that Zimmerman says he was attacked while getting back into his car, but the shooting happened in between the houses well away from the road. So did the fight travel all that distance without being noticed? Quite a ways for a couple of guys to go while involved in a violent life-or-death struggle.
 
2012-04-20 03:02:08 PM  

SpoilerAlert: meathome: They ought to (if it wasn't done by someone's personal physician). HIPAA and every other health privacy law provides provisions for the collection of this information by the courts in specified circumstances. All that's required is a court order.

You should really read what the specific circumstances are, and about how it is meant to be applied. Identifying suspects, being used to treat a someone in custody, etc is different than releasing information to prosecution.


You ought to read it as well. It can be disclosed provided either consent is given by the party being investigated (do you think Zimmerman wouldn't be willing to provide evidence that helps his case?), or via a court order.

I do apologize though, this explanation was the first I could find. The actual HIPAA site is much more specific in the rules and regulations.

That said, I think it's more of a case where the prosecution didn't ask for this information during the investigation leading up to the indictment and expected stuff like this as they got closer to the actual trial date. The defense had a copy and proceeded to lead the investigator into a line of questioning that made the prosecution look foolish.

Again, it's good showmanship by Zimmerman's defense.
 
2012-04-20 03:02:26 PM  

bdub77: This is my understanding of the events.

1) Zimmerman obviously followed the kid, almost definitely picked a fight by following a kid who was probably getting scared.
2) Martin most likely defended himself or might have gone on the offensive because some weird guy is following him.


That is not understanding, that is speculation.
 
2012-04-20 03:02:49 PM  

Headso: yeah, the guy who says blacks don't care about black on black crime is very concerned about facts.


Show me one example of blacks turning out for rallies over a case of black on black crime the way they did for the killing of Trayvon Martin. Show me one example of Jackson or Sharpton showing up to hold rallies for a black on black killing.

I'm certain that there are blacks that are concerned and a video posted earlier in the thread gives a good example of somebody who cares. My point is that the overwhelming majority of the black community doesn't. Offer the proof that I'm wrong.
 
2012-04-20 03:03:13 PM  

omeganuepsilon: valar_morghulis: I wonder if you'd feel differently if it had been your son getting shot. Same circumstances. I doubt you'd be pissing over the justice system in that case. Or would you just take the shooter's word?

Irrelevant.

Most of our kids aren't violent thugs.


"Violent thugs" deserve a day in court just the same.

And Martin wasn't one. Keep farking that chicken on the wrong side of history.
 
2012-04-20 03:03:16 PM  

bdub77: That's it. Because you are innocent until proven guilty, the prosecution has to prove he attacked Martin and not the other way around. Knowing that he followed someone proves nothing. And since the prosecution can't prove Zimmerman started the fight...they can't prove he's guilty.


Actually with this, the burden is on the defendant to prove that self-defense was necessary in the situation he was in.

These latest pics could help in his case if they can prove the injuries he sustained were life-threatening.

Because apparently the law is structured in a way that it allows someone to shoot someone in self-defense if they're on the losing end of a fight EVEN if they were the one to start it. It sounds like a pretty terribly written law but what else would I expect from a law drafted by ALEC and the NRA.

So part of me now believes that Zimmerman will get away with it just because of how poorly written the law is.
 
2012-04-20 03:03:24 PM  

Gladys: ddam: Doesn't Martin have the same right to stand his ground and defend himself?

Where is there evidence that he was attacked or needed to defend himself

Oh. What's that? There is no evidence to show that he was attacked?


Given your improper use of a pronoun, I don't know if "he" is Trayvon or Zimmerman in your sentence.

Either way, I think the phrase "innocent until proven guilty" applies.
 
2012-04-20 03:03:36 PM  

9beers: stewmadness: Meanwhile 2 black kids were shot in Oakland last night by a black gunman...

Blacks don't care about black on black crime, it doesn't further their agenda of blaming somebody else for the problems they face.


So true

If Al Sharpton and his Race Warlords would take the same energy on black/black crime as they do for imagined white on black crime...the black community would be so much better off

But hey, Imma racist....what do I know...
 
2012-04-20 03:05:13 PM  
bdub77

Police have no evidence Zimmerman started the fight, only a vague 911 call that shows he disobeyed an order from the dispatcher to not follow the kid.

Similarly, he disobeyed a direct order from a Wal-Mart greeter to have a nice day. Perfidy!
 
2012-04-20 03:05:41 PM  

UCFRoadWarrior: 9beers: stewmadness: Meanwhile 2 black kids were shot in Oakland last night by a black gunman...

Blacks don't care about black on black crime, it doesn't further their agenda of blaming somebody else for the problems they face.

So true

If Al Sharpton and his Race Warlords would take the same energy on black/black crime as they do for imagined white on black crime...the black community would be so much better off

But hey, Imma racist....what do I know...


I love when the alts and trolls talk to each other. It's like birdsong in an echo-chamber.

That is, nonsense.
 
2012-04-20 03:06:18 PM  

omeganuepsilon: valar_morghulis: I wonder if you'd feel differently if it had been your son getting shot. Same circumstances. I doubt you'd be pissing over the justice system in that case. Or would you just take the shooter's word?

Irrelevant.

Most of our kids aren't violent thugs.


The classic "MY shiat doesn't stink" defense.
 
2012-04-20 03:07:04 PM  

umad: nitefallz: I don't understand how anyone can believe this. If Zimmerman is using "self-defense" then he nullified that excuse when he intentionally put himself in harms way on his own accord when he left his vehicle, after 911 said not to. You CANNOT USE SELF-DEFENSE IF YOU WILLINGLY PUT YOURSELF IN DANGER.

THIS. I am tired of explaining this over and over again to my dates when I am getting ready to open up a box of rape on them. I say "look sweetheart, you entered my apartment willingly so I don't want to see any of this fighting back stuff. You need to relax and take your deep dickin' like a good girl." It doesn't matter though. The ignorant biatches keep fighting back anyway, leaving me no choice but to defend myself with deadly force.

I dream of the day I get to make sex with a woman who is still breathing. I'm not going to hold my breath though. The Martin case has shown that people will never understand the subtleties of these laws. It is just sad.




This is how I knew you were lying.
 
2012-04-20 03:07:05 PM  

valar_morghulis: vegasj: [i39.tinypic.com image 640x360]

Racism at its finest. You'd make the Klan proud.


Enlighten me wise one... how is that picture and caption racist in any way?

 
2012-04-20 03:07:11 PM  

9beers: . Show me one example of Jackson or Sharpton showing up to hold rallies for a black on black killing.


You said blacks not specifically those two attention whores. You made an opinion seemingly based in racism, others who apparently have an obsession with your racism have posted other racist comments you made in past threads. Not everyone who thinks the defendant is innocent is racist, but you are.
 
2012-04-20 03:07:16 PM  

bdub77: This is my understanding of the events.

1) Zimmerman obviously followed the kid



Stop right there. I just pointed out that Zimmerman's attorney got the prosecution to admit that they have no proof that Zimmerman continued following Martin. If you don't want to take my word for it, turn on your TV or read some articles.
 
2012-04-20 03:08:48 PM  

xsarien: nekom: factoryconnection: Remember one thing, no matter whose side you're on: if George Zimmerman hadn't shown up, no laws would have been broken, no one would be dead, and George would just be another, anonymous busybody.

That's absolutely true. None of this had to happen. I won't defend Zimmerman one bit, but the law would appear to be on his side here.

How is the law on his side again? He was told not to approach the kid, he did so anyway, started shiat up, and it got to the point where he felt compelled to shoot his gun. All of this could've been avoided if Mr. I Want To Be A Hero actually had some common sense instead of ammo. Defending yourself against some random jackass who walks up to me flashing a gun is a rational thing to do; walking up to someone and flashing a gun for no reason other HAY GUY YOU DON'T LOOK LIKE YOU LIVE HERE" and starting a fight is not.

What kills me is that Trayvon would totally be covered under Stand Your Ground. Well, if he were white anyway.


Entertaining that almost nothing in your post is factual.
 
2012-04-20 03:09:50 PM  

UCFRoadWarrior: In Florida, when you are busted for drug possession on a school campus, you are also charged with a crime under Florida's Zero Tolerance laws. Yes, Trayvon has a juvenile record. All drug cases on school grounds have to be reported to police


He didn't have any drugs on him. Do you have proof he has a juvenile record? No? Didn't think so.
 
2012-04-20 03:09:51 PM  

meathome: SpoilerAlert: meathome: They ought to (if it wasn't done by someone's personal physician). HIPAA and every other health privacy law provides provisions for the collection of this information by the courts in specified circumstances. All that's required is a court order.

You should really read what the specific circumstances are, and about how it is meant to be applied. Identifying suspects, being used to treat a someone in custody, etc is different than releasing information to prosecution.

You ought to read it as well. It can be disclosed provided either consent is given by the party being investigated (do you think Zimmerman wouldn't be willing to provide evidence that helps his case?), or via a court order.

I do apologize though, this explanation was the first I could find. The actual HIPAA site is much more specific in the rules and regulations.

That said, I think it's more of a case where the prosecution didn't ask for this information during the investigation leading up to the indictment and expected stuff like this as they got closer to the actual trial date. The defense had a copy and proceeded to lead the investigator into a line of questioning that made the prosecution look foolish.

Again, it's good showmanship by Zimmerman's defense.


With a court order it would still have to apply to specific circumstances, and Zimmerman would have no reason to give the prosecution access to his records. It works far better in his situation to allow his defense access and to leave the prosecution in the dark so that they do not have time to try and spin it another way.

So the prosecution could ask for it, but in this situation unless Zimmerman consented, and he has no reason to do so, there's no chance they're getting those records.
 
2012-04-20 03:10:31 PM  

SpoilerAlert: vegasj: Silly Jesus: I understood what the hearing was about, but the witness for the prosecution was under oath, nonetheless, and he stated that they had no evidence to contradict the self-defense claims of Zimmerman.

Yet the state DA did in her adress to the media about the arrest:

"We launched an intensive investigation, building on all of the work that Sanford Police and the 18th Circuit SAO had already done, Unless you have ever been a prosecutor handling a homicide case, I don't think you could even imagine how difficult these types of investigations can be. We tried to leave no stone unturned."Every stone... except for you know... MEDICAL RECORDS

Lazy farks. I can't believe they didn't check those first, it's not like a hospital has to protect health information. I bet they feel pretty silly forgetting to get those records.


Not from a warrant. But keep f-ing that chicken.
 
2012-04-20 03:10:51 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: umad: nitefallz: I don't understand how anyone can believe this. If Zimmerman is using "self-defense" then he nullified that excuse when he intentionally put himself in harms way on his own accord when he left his vehicle, after 911 said not to. You CANNOT USE SELF-DEFENSE IF YOU WILLINGLY PUT YOURSELF IN DANGER.

THIS. I am tired of explaining this over and over again to my dates when I am getting ready to open up a box of rape on them. I say "look sweetheart, you entered my apartment willingly so I don't want to see any of this fighting back stuff. You need to relax and take your deep dickin' like a good girl." It doesn't matter though. The ignorant biatches keep fighting back anyway, leaving me no choice but to defend myself with deadly force.

I dream of the day I get to make sex with a woman who is still breathing. I'm not going to hold my breath though. The Martin case has shown that people will never understand the subtleties of these laws. It is just sad.



This is how I knew you were lying.


Well, he was imagining a 7 year old, so he might be telling the truth...
 
2012-04-20 03:10:59 PM  

The Homer Tax: ddam: Why does Martin have to run away?

Because in Florida it's legal for a psycho to follow you around at night for no reason and kill you if you don't.

nopokerface: Now, who did what?

We'll never know, there's only two people who know what happened that night and the one who didn't have a gun is dead.


I bet when you drive down the road and a car follows you you scream about the psycho following you. At red lights you probably get out of your car and smash windshields with a baseball bat.


Two people, one dead if you don't count, you know, the eye witnesses who all corroborate Zimmerman's story.
 
2012-04-20 03:11:06 PM  

Headso: You said blacks not specifically those two attention whores. You made an opinion seemingly based in racism, others who apparently have an obsession with your racism have posted other racist comments you made in past threads. Not everyone who thinks the defendant is innocent is racist, but you are.


Yes, I'm obviously a racist because I refuse to sit here and make excuses every time a black person does something wrong or doesn't support their position every time they biatch about something. The only racism in these threads has come from people like you, making assumptions for why people have the opinions they do.
 
2012-04-20 03:11:27 PM  

NightOwl2255: UCFRoadWarrior: In Florida, when you are busted for drug possession on a school campus, you are also charged with a crime under Florida's Zero Tolerance laws. Yes, Trayvon has a juvenile record. All drug cases on school grounds have to be reported to police

He didn't have any drugs on him. Do you have proof he has a juvenile record? No? Didn't think so.


I'm pretty sure he has as at least as many prior criminal convictions as Zimmerman.
 
2012-04-20 03:11:56 PM  

UCFRoadWarrior: If Al Sharpton and his Race Warlords would take the same energy on black/black crime as they do for imagined white on black crime...the black community would be so much better off


People who post these kinds of racist comments never seem to suggest that the westboro babtist church represents all Christians when the protest solider deaths. Why do those two tards get to speak for all black people but the same is not true in other cases? the only conclusion is the person saying that is racist.
 
2012-04-20 03:12:19 PM  

OwnTheRide: 9beers: Mugato: "you can shoot anyone who you are afraid of"

Except that's not what the law says at all.

Exactly. "Reasonable belief" means something completely different than "are afraid of."


Right. The guy with the gun chasing the guy without the gun is in deep shiat and just start shooting.
 
2012-04-20 03:12:19 PM  

vegasj: valar_morghulis: vegasj: [i39.tinypic.com image 640x360]

Racism at its finest. You'd make the Klan proud.

Enlighten me wise one... how is that picture and caption racist in any way?


/pulls vegasj aside

Shhhh. Our president is black.
 
2012-04-20 03:12:32 PM  

valar_morghulis: omeganuepsilon: valar_morghulis: I wonder if you'd feel differently if it had been your son getting shot. Same circumstances. I doubt you'd be pissing over the justice system in that case. Or would you just take the shooter's word?

Irrelevant.

Most of our kids aren't violent thugs.

"Violent thugs" deserve a day in court just the same.

And Martin wasn't one. Keep farking that chicken on the wrong side of history.


Violent thugs that are not charged with crime do not get a day in court. To try to say they should is ridiculous in an extreme.

Did I say Martin was a violent thug? Read closely. Really, I didn't use too many words and confuse you did I?

Also, he isn't? You know him?

There is purported evidence that there is. If GZ's past is worth looking into, so is TZ's. TZ's tendencies are relevant in that they distinguish something that is plausible to something that is less likely. Both people have a questionable past, and it bears some relevance, in that neither is exonerated of fault due to a pristine record, yet neither is necessarily guilty, regardless of some people's Beliefs.

However, in judging how one would feel about one's child, is irrelevant. A lot of parents are blind, some aren't. Some would not fault whoever had to resort in self defense against him. Sure, they're grief stricken over loss, but still rational people.

You seem to imply that's an impossibility.
 
2012-04-20 03:13:21 PM  

bdub77: This is my understanding of the events.


Read the 911 transcripts, your understanding of the events is incorrect.
 
2012-04-20 03:13:31 PM  

RevBigfoot: Psychomancer: The little punk had no right to lay hands on Zimmerman regardless of being followed.

So you'd have no problem if I chase you around your neighborhood later on tonight? You wouldn't feel inclined to maybe "stand your ground" if you feared I was chasing you to try and harm you?


Problem: Trayvon wasn't in "his" neighborhood. He was peeking in windows in someone else's neighborhood, in the rain, wearing baggy clothes. You know, like burglars do.

Dude, I was in your backyard looking in your window in the rain because I was going to the store to get some SKITTLES man. Taste the rainbow! Wanna buy some xtc?
 
2012-04-20 03:14:19 PM  

WhyKnot: SpoilerAlert: vegasj: Silly Jesus: I understood what the hearing was about, but the witness for the prosecution was under oath, nonetheless, and he stated that they had no evidence to contradict the self-defense claims of Zimmerman.

Yet the state DA did in her adress to the media about the arrest:

"We launched an intensive investigation, building on all of the work that Sanford Police and the 18th Circuit SAO had already done, Unless you have ever been a prosecutor handling a homicide case, I don't think you could even imagine how difficult these types of investigations can be. We tried to leave no stone unturned."Every stone... except for you know... MEDICAL RECORDS

Lazy farks. I can't believe they didn't check those first, it's not like a hospital has to protect health information. I bet they feel pretty silly forgetting to get those records.

Not from a warrant. But keep f-ing that chicken.


Your GED in law doesn't make you a HIPAA expert, but I bet you can say chicken farker nine times in this thread.
 
2012-04-20 03:14:57 PM  

9beers: For the record, people do realize that Zimmerman's "assault" on a police officer was actually a misunderstanding involving an undercover officer, right? Zimmerman saw a guy getting physical with a friend and stepped in to help. He claimed that he had no idea that it was a police officer. Stop trying to make it into Zimmerman walking up to and punching a uniformed officer.


So, in your world, which is a pretty vile place, being charged with assaulting a police office resulting in being required to take anger management classes is a misunderstanding. Martin being in possession of a a screwdriver and jewelry (which there is no reason to believe was stolen, none) makes him a career criminal and a violent thug and the world is better off with him being dead? I'm starting to think you are a bit biased.
 
2012-04-20 03:15:03 PM  

Headso: No you are racist because you make racist comments.


I've never said that Martin did anything he did because he was black. That's your stupid ass making assumptions.
 
2012-04-20 03:15:14 PM  
OMG
Link
 
2012-04-20 03:15:23 PM  

omeganuepsilon: Did I say Martin was a violent thug?


you implied it.
 
2012-04-20 03:16:11 PM  

Bullseyed: Problem: Trayvon wasn't in "his" neighborhood. He was peeking in windows in someone else's neighborhood, in the rain, wearing baggy clothes. You know, like burglars do.


You know how I know you're full of shiat?

He was staying with someone who does live in that neighborhood and he wasn't peeking in the windows. Even the 911 transcripts don't even say that.
 
2012-04-20 03:16:18 PM  

stonicus: omeganuepsilon: valar_morghulis: I wonder if you'd feel differently if it had been your son getting shot. Same circumstances. I doubt you'd be pissing over the justice system in that case. Or would you just take the shooter's word?

Irrelevant.

Most of our kids aren't violent thugs.

The classic "MY shiat doesn't stink" defense.


You confuse "snark" with "defense".

I do stand by that most kids are not prone to the kind of violence that TM purportedly is, ergo, what a random person think they would do if it were their kid is irrelevant, and to an extreme.
 
2012-04-20 03:16:20 PM  

stonicus: omeganuepsilon: valar_morghulis: I wonder if you'd feel differently if it had been your son getting shot. Same circumstances. I doubt you'd be pissing over the justice system in that case. Or would you just take the shooter's word?

Irrelevant.

Most of our kids aren't violent thugs.

The classic "MY shiat doesn't stink" defense.


Like most teenage boys all of their kids and even us when we were that age were all choir boys.
 
2012-04-20 03:17:22 PM  

Five Tails of Fury: I guess my problem with all of this is that Zimmerman says he was attacked while getting back into his car, but the shooting happened in between the houses well away from the road. So did the fight travel all that distance without being noticed? Quite a ways for a couple of guys to go while involved in a violent life-or-death struggle.


Established facts like that are more and more appearing to be secondary to Zimmerman's testimony given the lack of opposing testimony, apparently. Also, his assaulting a police officer and requirement to attend anger management courses is significantly less important when establishing character faults when comparing to a 17 year old who "did drugs" and got suspended. Because no solid citizen ever did that as a teenager.
 
2012-04-20 03:17:28 PM  

9beers: Headso: No you are racist because you make racist comments.

I've never said that Martin did anything he did because he was black.


Your comment that blacks don't care about black on black crime because they can't blame everyone else for their problems is a broad brush racist statement, there are screen caps of other racist comments you made. I don't know who you are trying to convince here?
 
2012-04-20 03:17:33 PM  

Mohammad I'm Hard Bruce Lee: OMG
Link


That was to be the best thing to come out of these threads...
 
2012-04-20 03:17:36 PM  

Scerpes: I'm pretty sure he has as at least as many prior criminal convictions as Zimmerman.


Ah, so we have it. Martin has no criminal record. And how many arrest compared to Zimmerman?
 
2012-04-20 03:17:42 PM  

Grables'Daughter: /pulls vegasj aside

Shhhh. Our president is black.


/pulls Grable'sDaughter aside, tries not to grope

He's 1/2 black... & 1/2 white too

 
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