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2012-04-20 11:53:41 AM  

Gladys: Fart_Machine: Guy stalking you in the middle of the night. Nothing threatening there.

'Stalking' implies secrecy. Zimmerman was in contact with 911 operators during the ordeal. I wasn't aware stalkers let the authorities know that they were breaking the law.


No, it doesn't. Stalking is following someone around for blocks which is what Zimmerman did. Do you think Martin had access to Zimmerman's cell phone conversations to know why he was being followed?
 
2012-04-20 11:54:00 AM  
And Florida's glorious leader Rick Scott is starting a "task force" to re-evaluate the "Stand your ground " law. Packed with pro-"stand your ground" law people of course.
 
2012-04-20 11:54:11 AM  

Headso: It is apparent from your comments that you are unfamiliar with them. You can do many things with a gun that are legal but unsafe and can cause a disaster.


Actually, I was raised around them, and was a fine shot when I was shooting. But my statement wasn't one of an anti-gun nature. I just care for them. I was also addressing someone's concern over legality, not disaster.

This is terrible. I don't think Trayvon should have died that night. But it doesn't make GZ a criminal, so far as I have seen to this point. That is disappointing, but it seems to be the case.
 
2012-04-20 11:54:27 AM  

beta_plus: If you see blood in this picture, it's because you are racist towards blacks.

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x359]


If you see blood it means Zimmerman was NOT the aggressor and Sarah Palin is Emporess for eternity.

/because no one has ever started a fight and lost
 
2012-04-20 11:54:50 AM  

Gladys: ddam: Doesn't Martin have the same right to stand his ground and defend himself?

Where is there evidence that he was attacked or needed to defend himself

Oh. What's that? There is no evidence to show that he was attacked?


Being shot isn't being attacked?

Wow.
 
2012-04-20 11:54:54 AM  
Well, honestly, if Zimmerman doesn't get convicted, everyone in Florida that's pissed off should grab a gun and start following random people that are walking around outside. As long as they know the words "suspicious" and "self-defense" they're pretty much untouchable, apparently.

"You see, I saw this old lady walking around at about 4:00 PM, and I thought, 'Hey, shouldn't she be inside taking a nap right now?'. It was very strange. So I followed her for a while, but then she decided to turn around and give me this look, like a 'Is this guy following me?' kinda look, so I shot her dead on the spot. I think she was gonna use a gypsy curse on me."
 
2012-04-20 11:55:10 AM  

Headso: That's actually attainable... lucky for him he was able to not be arrested right away so he could solicit donations.


His family is ready to put up their house. It's always been attainable.
 
2012-04-20 11:55:17 AM  

2wolves: Pity Mr. Martin wasn't armed.


Felonius possession of a handgun?

I think you have to be 21 to carry/own a handgun...he would have been a criminal...you did not think this all the way through.
 
2012-04-20 11:55:28 AM  

Carth: Petey4335: 9beers: Cybernetic: This is the first time that I can recall anyone mentioning that Zimmerman is married. Have I just not been noticing that?

Had you been paying closer attention, Zimmerman said that he was heading the the store that evening while his wife was making dinner. I can understand why you wouldn't know that with the mob ranting and raving about him being out, patrolling the neighborhood.

If all Zimmerman was doing was heading to the store why was he packing?

Many people with CCW carry it with them all the time. Having a gun doesn't do you any good if you left it at home when you're attacked.


Yeah, black guys be carrying Skittles EVERYWHERE.
 
2012-04-20 11:55:30 AM  

nekom: xsarien: How is the law on his side again? He was told not to approach the kid, he did so anyway, started shiat up, and it got to the point where he felt compelled to shoot his gun. All of this could've been avoided if Mr. I Want To Be A Hero actually had some common sense instead of ammo. Defending yourself against some random jackass who walks up to me flashing a gun is a rational thing to do; walking up to someone and flashing a gun for no reason other HAY GUY YOU DON'T LOOK LIKE YOU LIVE HERE" and starting a fight is not.

Not listening to a 911 dispatcher isn't a crime. Even if it's entirely his fault that he's in the situation (and I believe that it is), he still may have been at the point where he felt his life was in danger. If he can convince a jury of that, he walks. I really don't think the prosecution can prove 2nd degree murder here.


He felt threatened because he instigated the confrontation. "Feeling threatened" is inherently part of that. Maybe Trayvon felt threatened too. Maybe if he did attack Zimmerman - and it's entirely plausible that he did - that his rationale was "Oh crap, this guy might kill me." Stand your ground goes both ways.

But yeah, whatever. Somehow the guy playing cop gets the benefit of the doubt over the kid carrying a can of iced tea.
 
2012-04-20 11:55:40 AM  

LessO2: Silly Jesus: Wow, the prosecution has nothing.

D = Defense / P = Prosecution

D - Do you have any evidence that supports who started the fight? P - No

D - Do you have any evidence in your investigation to date that contradicts or conflicts with his (Zimmerman's) contention that he...
Turned back to his car - P - No
That Martin assaulted first - P - No

P - The shooting was in close proximity. Powder burns were on the sweatshirt. Stippling on Martin to indicate close proximity.

D - Is the evidence inconsistent with Zimmerman saying his head was being hit on the ground? P - No

D - What are the injuries? P - Two lacerations to the back of his head.

D - Could it have been from his head hitting the ground? P - Yes

D - Have you asked Zimmerman for medical records showing that his nose was broken? P - No. D - Would you like a copy of them? P - *stunned look* BWAHAHAHAHA

The Prosecution's investigator comes across as a pompous ass, too, so that won't help them with the jury. He got easily frustrated and flustered when they called him on his use of "confrontation" with nothing to back it up.


Seriously are those exchanges for real, what happened at the hearing?


Yes...this is what pretty much happened. I watched the hearing as it was on local TV in Orlando. Even the BWAHAHAHA was accurate
 
2012-04-20 11:56:05 AM  
s2s2s2, 9beers, Gladys, etc. etc. -

I hope you all feel your five bucks were well-spent on Zimmerman's self-defense website.

Dipshiats.
 
2012-04-20 11:56:09 AM  

nekom: factoryconnection: Remember one thing, no matter whose side you're on: if George Zimmerman hadn't shown up, no laws would have been broken, no one would be dead, and George would just be another, anonymous busybody.

That's absolutely true. None of this had to happen. I won't defend Zimmerman one bit, but the law would appear to be on his side here.


I don't understand how anyone can believe this. If Zimmerman is using "self-defense" then he nullified that excuse when he intentionally put himself in harms way on his own accord when he left his vehicle, after 911 said not to. You CANNOT USE SELF-DEFENSE IF YOU WILLINGLY PUT YOURSELF IN DANGER. This means you cannot instigate a fight or confrontation then kill the person. Why is this so complicated to process? Or am I foolish enough to believe that Florida's law stipulates this when it really doesn't? PA's law clearly states it.
 
2012-04-20 11:56:31 AM  

Gladys: factoryconnection: Remember one thing, no matter whose side you're on: if George Zimmerman hadn't shown up, no laws would have been broken, no one would be dead, and George would just be another, anonymous busybody.

Yes, and that old lady who got a concussion and her purse stolen would not be in the hospital right now if she hadn't decided to walk down to the local market for some fresh produce, or that taxi cab driver wouldn't have been shot if he had just decided to sleep in instead of going to work.

Derp.


Zimmerman

1) Was told by the police to follow Trayvon.

2) Did so anyway, with a gun in hand. After a 17 year old boy who had done nothing wrong aside from "look suspicious."

Anything that happened after that? Zimmerman had it coming. Period. There is a reason we have laws against racial profiling.
 
2012-04-20 11:56:36 AM  

Scerpes: Headso: That's actually attainable... lucky for him he was able to not be arrested right away so he could solicit donations.

His family is ready to put up their house. It's always been attainable.


Bail could have been set at an unattainable amount, is what I was getting at.
 
2012-04-20 11:56:37 AM  

Serious Black: Why were they in the alley in the first place?


George was there because he saw a kid run back there, and was trying to keep visual on a person he now had been given several reasons to believe was acting with ill intent.

Trayvon was there because he decided to hide, so he could attack that punk that was following him, when he came around the corner.

Just a theory.
 
2012-04-20 11:56:41 AM  

nekom: factoryconnection: Remember one thing, no matter whose side you're on: if George Zimmerman hadn't shown up, no laws would have been broken, no one would be dead, and George would just be another, anonymous busybody.

That's absolutely true. None of this had to happen. I won't defend Zimmerman one bit, but the law would appear to be on his side here.


I'm not sure. I'm not aware of any self defense laws that cover if your the one who instigates the situation.

If you're just sitting there chilling and someone comes after you and you shoot them, it's self defense.
If you go across the street to start some shiat with someone, start to lose when it turns out they have a lot more fight than you were expecting and then shoot them, it's not self defense.
 
2012-04-20 11:57:00 AM  

ddam: He doesn't need to be attacked. Based on stand your ground law in Florida, all Martin needed to defend himself is feel that his life was in danger. Being followed by a stranger in the dark meets that criteria.


And that doesn't seem in any way farked up to you?
 
2012-04-20 11:57:00 AM  

Plant Rights Activist: Psychomancer:
The little punk had no right to lay hands on Zimmerman regardless of being followed. For all the anti-right to defend folks, if the punk had simply ran away, this wouldn't have happened.

from what I can tell he tried to but Zimmerman was stalking him for hours. Martin confronted him, violence ensued. A man died and the police didn't bother looking into the case. The real story here isn't some wannabe cop harassing minority kids but that the cops just threw up their arms and went, "Well he claimed self defense. Case closed!"


Man, I know Florida has some big ass subdivisions but wouldn't it be really hard to find enough places to go so that you could get stalked "for hours" without eventually going in circles or getting the hell out of the neighborhood?
 
2012-04-20 11:57:01 AM  
and to think 99% of you argued that Zimmerman was not hurt......
 
2012-04-20 11:57:14 AM  

LessO2: Silly Jesus: Wow, the prosecution has nothing.

D = Defense / P = Prosecution

D - Do you have any evidence that supports who started the fight? P - No

D - Do you have any evidence in your investigation to date that contradicts or conflicts with his (Zimmerman's) contention that he...
Turned back to his car - P - No
That Martin assaulted first - P - No

P - The shooting was in close proximity. Powder burns were on the sweatshirt. Stippling on Martin to indicate close proximity.

D - Is the evidence inconsistent with Zimmerman saying his head was being hit on the ground? P - No

D - What are the injuries? P - Two lacerations to the back of his head.

D - Could it have been from his head hitting the ground? P - Yes

D - Have you asked Zimmerman for medical records showing that his nose was broken? P - No. D - Would you like a copy of them? P - *stunned look* BWAHAHAHAHA

The Prosecution's investigator comes across as a pompous ass, too, so that won't help them with the jury. He got easily frustrated and flustered when they called him on his use of "confrontation" with nothing to back it up.


Seriously are those exchanges for real, what happened at the hearing?


Yes, I watched it live. There will be a transcript out shortly, I assume, if you don't believe me.

I couldn't believe what I was watching either.
 
2012-04-20 11:57:19 AM  

Oh_Enough_Already: [l.yimg.com image 512x316]

Only when racist hucksters like Sharpton, Jackson, et all need some press could this guy ever, anywhere, by anyone be considered "white."


So, we go by appearence with Zimmerman but we use the race of the parents when dscussing Obama. Got it.
 
2012-04-20 11:57:32 AM  

s2s2s2: But it doesn't make GZ a criminal


well, he is charged with a crime...
 
2012-04-20 11:58:01 AM  

Psychomancer: The little punk had no right to lay hands on Zimmerman regardless of being followed. For all the anti-right to defend folks, if the punk had simply ran away, this wouldn't have happened.


Maybe he decided to stand his ground?
 
2012-04-20 11:58:06 AM  

nitefallz: I don't understand how anyone can believe this. If Zimmerman is using "self-defense" then he nullified that excuse when he intentionally put himself in harms way on his own accord when he left his vehicle, after 911 said not to. You CANNOT USE SELF-DEFENSE IF YOU WILLINGLY PUT YOURSELF IN DANGER. This means you cannot instigate a fight or confrontation then kill the person. Why is this so complicated to process? Or am I foolish enough to believe that Florida's law stipulates this when it really doesn't? PA's law clearly states it.


In Florida, you can still use deadly force, even if you are the first aggressor:

Here:

776.041Use of force by aggressor (new window).-The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

* * *

(2)Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a)Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape
such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or

* * *


So long as a first aggressor is in fear of great bodily injury and is unable to escape at the moment he pulls the trigger, he's still justified.
 
2012-04-20 11:58:23 AM  
Zimmerman is a Latino.
 
2012-04-20 11:58:28 AM  

Petey4335: 9beers: Cybernetic: This is the first time that I can recall anyone mentioning that Zimmerman is married. Have I just not been noticing that?

Had you been paying closer attention, Zimmerman said that he was heading the the store that evening while his wife was making dinner. I can understand why you wouldn't know that with the mob ranting and raving about him being out, patrolling the neighborhood.

If all Zimmerman was doing was heading to the store why was he packing?


Easy one.. Because HE CAN. IT'S HIS RIGHT if he has a valid Conceal Carry Permit.

/There's nothing more useless than an empty gun, unless it's the one you left home without.
 
2012-04-20 11:58:41 AM  

Plant Rights Activist: from what I can tell he tried to but Zimmerman was stalking him for hours. Martin confronted him, violence ensued. A man died and the police didn't bother looking into the case. The real story here isn't some wannabe cop harassing minority kids but that the cops just threw up their arms and went, "Well he claimed self defense. Case closed!"


Since when was Zimmerman "stalking him for hours"? Everything we've heard, at all, indicates that this went down in the space of a few minutes. Where did you get the idea that this was happening over the course of hours?

Also where do you get the idea that the cops "did nothing"? They hauled him in and questioned him for several hours before determining they didn't have anything to arrest him for and letting him go. I think the farce of this mornings hearing shows why the cops let him go - there isn't any evidence to support any charges.
 
2012-04-20 11:59:58 AM  

AmazinTim: cheyanne9: When does the movie come out?

Who plays who?

Rob Lowe to play Zimmerman and that kid from Role Models and the PSP commercials to play Trayvon. Book it. Done.


Andy Serkis will be playing both parts, with Zimmermang as a mo-cap version of Torquemada and Martin in the mo-cap likeness of a distended-belly baby from a Sally Struthers commercial.
 
2012-04-20 12:00:09 PM  

Gladys: 'Stalking' implies secrecy. Zimmerman was in contact with 911 operators during the ordeal. I wasn't aware stalkers let the authorities know that they were breaking the law.


Yup and those same 911 operators told him to stay in his car and wait for the cops, so your point is?
 
2012-04-20 12:00:27 PM  
The people in the wrong here are going to defend their stance no matter what, even in the face of glaring evidence.

You know who you are. Intellectual integrity - learn it, know it, live it!
 
2012-04-20 12:00:39 PM  

stoli n coke: s2s2s2: Headso: People who don't understand gun safety say this stuff.

Oh, I don't like guns. Seems George handled his legally.

Against the rules of his neighborhood watch.

You see, neighborhood watch groups tell people flat-out, do not patrol armed, in part because if some stupid shiat goes down, it opens the homeowners association up to a big fat lawsuit.


He was on his way back from the store. He wasn't "on patrol", whatever the hell that means. If you live there do you have to close your eyes while leaving and coming home because you have your gun on you and you don't want to "patrol" with it? Or should he have thrown it on the ground when he saw someone that he deemed suspicious?

It's not like he went to some job elsewhere where he was not allowed to have a gun. He was coming home from the store.
 
2012-04-20 12:00:39 PM  

nitefallz: I don't understand how anyone can believe this. If Zimmerman is using "self-defense" then he nullified that excuse when he intentionally put himself in harms way on his own accord when he left his vehicle, after 911 said not to. You CANNOT USE SELF-DEFENSE IF YOU WILLINGLY PUT YOURSELF IN DANGER. This means you cannot instigate a fight or confrontation then kill the person. Why is this so complicated to process? Or am I foolish enough to believe that Florida's law stipulates this when it really doesn't? PA's law clearly states it.


I'm not sure if it matters under Florida law or not. Even if it does, it could be argued that he was not the aggressor. If Martin confronted him, he IS the aggressor. It's not against the law to call 911 and follow him around, it was not a smart thing to do, but it wasn't illegal. He claims that Martin was the aggressor, and there is no evidence or witnesses to dispute that.

I'm not going to defend what Zimmerman did one bit, the entire thing was definitely his fault, but I don't see how they can get a murder conviction in this, I just don't see it. Unless the prosecution has some surprising new evidence, he's going to walk.
 
2012-04-20 12:00:50 PM  
People keep saying that Martin had the right to stand his ground. What are you arguing?? There's no point in making that argument!

Say that Martin felt threatened for his life because this guy was following him, so he attacked Zimmerman. Ok fine, so what? Now Zimmerman feels threatened for his life and shoots Martin. They both stood their ground. Martin died, Zimmerman lived, and they both followed the law.

Saying that Martin is allowed to stand his ground and using that to justify his attacking Zimmerman does nothing but defend Zimmerman for shooting Martin.
 
2012-04-20 12:00:50 PM  

Fart_Machine: Regardless if he had done with the dispatcher advised him to do this never would have happened.


Zimmerman did do what the dispatcher suggested as is evidenced by him responding "OK" after the dispatcher says "we don't need you to do that". Can you offer any proof that he did anything other than start back to his vehicle after ending his phone call?
 
2012-04-20 12:00:55 PM  

Headso: s2s2s2: But it doesn't make GZ a criminal

well, he is charged with a crime...


Still doesn't make him a criminal.
 
2012-04-20 12:01:11 PM  
I stopped paying attention to a majority of this after the news would report on every little move by everyone. But from what I have gathered is that 2 people were being too damn thick headed and macho just to say "fark you!!" and walk away.


/Walked away from a potential fight last week and laughed at the guy.
 
2012-04-20 12:01:11 PM  
Anyone else wonder if the 4chan types can hack into that GPS monitor?
 
2012-04-20 12:01:24 PM  
This thread seems to have a lot of people who beat off every night dreaming of a situation where they get to shoot someone with impunity. You can deny it but I've heard people tell me that very thing, without the beating off part, that was for dramatic effect.
 
2012-04-20 12:01:35 PM  

Loaf's Tray: Is that 75,000 of each, or 75,000 total?


75000 pair. They are each about a dollar. Arizona tea sucks, he should have been drinking Golden Peak.
 
2012-04-20 12:01:36 PM  
Every time a liberal says George Zimmerman is a racist white, the race card dies a little more.

Every time a liberal screams that George Zimmerman had no right to self defense, the 2nd Amendment grows stronger.

/my god you libs farked up on this one
 
2012-04-20 12:01:57 PM  

Silly Jesus: Wow, the prosecution has nothing.

D = Defense / P = Prosecution

D - Do you have any evidence that supports who started the fight? P - No

D - Do you have any evidence in your investigation to date that contradicts or conflicts with his (Zimmerman's) contention that he...
Turned back to his car - P - No
That Martin assaulted first - P - No

P - The shooting was in close proximity. Powder burns were on the sweatshirt. Stippling on Martin to indicate close proximity.

D - Is the evidence inconsistent with Zimmerman saying his head was being hit on the ground? P - No

D - What are the injuries? P - Two lacerations to the back of his head.

D - Could it have been from his head hitting the ground? P - Yes

D - Have you asked Zimmerman for medical records showing that his nose was broken? P - No. D - Would you like a copy of them? P - *stunned look* BWAHAHAHAHA

The Prosecution's investigator comes across as a pompous ass, too, so that won't help them with the jury. He got easily frustrated and flustered when they called him on his use of "confrontation" with nothing to back it up.


That was an incredibly powerful exchange.
 
2012-04-20 12:02:31 PM  

jfivealive: Oh the butt hurt that will flow after he's acquitted will be so epic


That is what I am afraid of. If you watch the news conference of Crump and Parks....they are already discharging a lot of butt hurt after today.

Just hope the butt hurt does not burn down my neighborhood in a riot
 
2012-04-20 12:02:35 PM  

s2s2s2: Headso: s2s2s2: But it doesn't make GZ a criminal

well, he is charged with a crime...

Still doesn't make him a criminal.


True, innocent until proven guilty, but his past crimes maybe make him one though...
 
2012-04-20 12:03:16 PM  
I am having touble understanding why so many white people seem to have such a vested interest in seeing Zimmerman get off.
 
2012-04-20 12:03:37 PM  
Silly Jesus wrote:
"Remember one thing, no matter whose side you're on: if George Zimmerman hadn't shown up, no laws would have been broken, no one would be dead, and George would just be another, anonymous busybody. "


Remember one thing, no matter whose side you're on: if Trayvon Martin hadn't shown up, no laws would have been broken, no one would be dead, and George would just be another, anonymous busybody.
 
2012-04-20 12:03:45 PM  
The bleeding head story is over, folks. People on Democratic Underground say it's photoshopped. I believe them, too. Zimmerman is screwed!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002587386

Link
 
2012-04-20 12:03:47 PM  

Giltric: 2wolves: Pity Mr. Martin wasn't armed.

Felonius possession of a handgun?

I think you have to be 21 to carry/own a handgun...he would have been a criminal...you did not think this all the way through.


Speaking of thinking things through: Why did you assume I meant a handgun?

When I was in high school we could bring long guns to school, turn them over to the principal, and then get off the bus a couple of stops early and hunt the rest of the way home.
 
2012-04-20 12:03:57 PM  

Bag of Hammers: Yup and those same 911 operators told him to stay in his car and wait for the cops, so your point is?


They did? Please stick to the facts. This one isn't even hard since all you have to do is listen to the tape.
 
2012-04-20 12:04:35 PM  

Oh_Enough_Already: [l.yimg.com image 512x316]

Only when racist hucksters like Sharpton, Jackson, et all need some press could this guy ever, anywhere, by anyone be considered "white."


It's not an immigration debate. Hispanics turn from innocent holier-than-jesus brown people in an immigration debate to evil white blood lusting racists in a self defense case. Whatever it takes for Liberals to smear Conservatives as racists. Didn't you get the memo?
 
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