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2012-04-20 11:43:53 AM
Psychomancer: factoryconnection: Remember one thing, no matter whose side you're on: if George Zimmerman hadn't shown up, no laws would have been broken, no one would be dead, and George would just be another, anonymous busybody.

Erroneus.

If a rape victim had stayed home, no rape wouldv'e occurred.

If a bank didn't have money in it, it wouldn't get robbed.

Ect

The little punk had no right to lay hands on Zimmerman regardless of being followed. For all the anti-right to defend folks, if the punk had simply ran away, this wouldn't have happened.


Doesn't Martin have the same right to stand his ground and defend himself? Why does Martin have to run away?
 
2012-04-20 11:44:04 AM
Psychomancer:
The little punk had no right to lay hands on Zimmerman regardless of being followed. For all the anti-right to defend folks, if the punk had simply ran away, this wouldn't have happened.


from what I can tell he tried to but Zimmerman was stalking him for hours. Martin confronted him, violence ensued. A man died and the police didn't bother looking into the case. The real story here isn't some wannabe cop harassing minority kids but that the cops just threw up their arms and went, "Well he claimed self defense. Case closed!"
 
2012-04-20 11:44:04 AM
nekom: There's a difference between taking an appropriate action and taking an inappropriate one.

Well, there's something we can all agree on.

Now, who did what?
 
2012-04-20 11:44:14 AM
Gladys: The moral of the story here, kids: Don't attack somebody who has a gun.

Also, don't bring a bag of skittles to a gun fight.



Drill Sergeant Joe B. Fricks Rules For A Gunfight

1.Forget about knives, bats and fists. Bring a gun. Preferably, bring at least two guns. Bring all of your friends who have guns. Bring four times the ammunition you think you could ever need.

2. Anything worth shooting is worth shooting twice. Ammunition is cheap - life is expensive. If you shoot inside, buckshot is your friend. A new wall is cheap - funerals are expensive

3. Only hits count. The only thing worse than a miss is a slow miss.

4. If your shooting stance is good, you're probably not moving fast enough or using cover correctly.

5. Move away from your attacker and go to cover. Distance is your friend. (Bulletproof cover and diagonal or lateral movement are preferred.)

6. If you can choose what to bring to a gunfight, bring a semi or full-automatic long gun and a friend with a long gun.

7. In ten years nobody will remember the details of caliber, stance, or tactics. They will only remember who lived.

8. If you are not shooting, you should be communicating, reloading, and running. Yell "Fire!" Why "Fire"? Cops will come with the Fire Department, sirens often scare off the bad guys, or at least cause then to lose concentration and will.... and who is going to summon help if you yell "Intruder," "Glock" or "Winchester?"

9. Accuracy is relative: most combat shooting standards will be more dependent on "pucker factor" than the inherent accuracy of the gun.

10. Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty.

11. Stretch the rules. Always win. The only unfair fight is the one you lose.

12. Have a plan.

13. Have a back-up plan, because the first one won't work. "No battle plan ever survives 10 seconds past first contact with an enemy."

14. Use cover or concealment as much as possible, but remember, sheetrock walls and the like stop nothing but your pulse when bullets tear through them.

15. Flank your adversary when possible. Protect yours.

16. Don't drop your guard.

17. Always tactical load and threat scan 360 degrees. Practice reloading one-handed and off-hand shooting. That's how you live if hit in your "good" side.

18. Watch their hands. Hands kill. Smiles, frowns and other facial expressions don't (In God we trust. Everyone else keep your hands where I can see them.)

19. Decide NOW to always be aggressive ENOUGH, quickly ENOUGH.

20. The faster you finish the fight, the less shot you will get.

21. Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet if necessary, because they may want to kill you.

22. Be courteous to everyone, overly friendly to no one.

23. Your number one option for personal security is a lifelong commitment to avoidance, deterrence, and de-escalation.

24. Do not attend a gunfight with a handgun, the caliber of which does not start with anything smaller than "4".

25. Use a gun that works EVERY TIME. "All skill is in vain when an Angel blows the powder from the flintlock of your musket." At a practice session, throw your gun into the mud, then make sure it still works. You can clean it later.

26. Practice shooting in the dark, with someone shouting at you, when out of breath, etc.

27. Regardless of whether justified of not, you will feel sad about killing another human being. It is better to be sad than to be room temperature.

28. The only thing you EVER say afterwards is, "He said he was going to kill me. I believed him. I'm sorry, Officer, but I'm very upset now. I can't say anything more. Please speak with my attorney."
 
2012-04-20 11:44:38 AM
And thus was spoken the name Zimmerman, and the trolls were called forth in their legions
 
2012-04-20 11:44:40 AM
s2s2s2: GGracie: Zimmerman has a wife - I did not know this... just read it in another article.

I hear he recently quit beating her.


Well, he did have to go to jail and I don't think he can have physical contact with her while he's in there :-p
 
2012-04-20 11:44:56 AM
Psychomancer: factoryconnection: Remember one thing, no matter whose side you're on: if George Zimmerman hadn't shown up, no laws would have been broken, no one would be dead, and George would just be another, anonymous busybody.

Erroneus.

If a rape victim had stayed home, no rape wouldv'e occurred.

If a bank didn't have money in it, it wouldn't get robbed.

Ect

The little punk had no right to lay hands on Zimmerman regardless of being followed. For all the anti-right to defend folks, if the punk had simply ran away, this wouldn't have happened.


LOL..literally LOL. If you're a troll or for real the only response I can muster is laughter.
 
2012-04-20 11:45:04 AM
Silly Jesus: D - Have you asked Zimmerman for medical records showing that his nose was broken? P - No. D - Would you like a copy of them? P - *stunned look* BWAHAHAHAHA

This is so awesome.
 
2012-04-20 11:45:07 AM
MindStalker: Silly Jesus: Also, remember, he only has to pay or put up property worth %10 of the amount. His parents already said they would put up their house. Surely it's worth $15,000.

No, its pay or pay 10% for a bond. So yes they could sell their house, they couldn't just put it as the bond.


My reply make no sense. You pay the full bail and get it back when you return to jail. OR you pay 10% to bond holders and get back nothing.
 
2012-04-20 11:45:33 AM
s2s2s2: factoryconnection: Remember one thing, no matter whose side you're on: if George Zimmerman hadn't shown up, no laws would have been broken, no one would be dead, and George would just be another, anonymous busybody.

That's right, citizens. Take no action in your community toward the reduction of crime, otherwise something bad might happen.


Yep that's right. Its all good if you stalk someone in your neighborhood, when the authorities tell you not to, and then when shiat goes down shoot the person you are stalking and claim self defense.
 
2012-04-20 11:46:07 AM
nekom: factoryconnection: Remember one thing, no matter whose side you're on: if George Zimmerman hadn't shown up, no laws would have been broken, no one would be dead, and George would just be another, anonymous busybody.

That's absolutely true. None of this had to happen. I won't defend Zimmerman one bit, but the law would appear to be on his side here.


How is the law on his side again? He was told not to approach the kid, he did so anyway, started shiat up, and it got to the point where he felt compelled to shoot his gun. All of this could've been avoided if Mr. I Want To Be A Hero actually had some common sense instead of ammo. Defending yourself against some random jackass who walks up to me flashing a gun is a rational thing to do; walking up to someone and flashing a gun for no reason other HAY GUY YOU DON'T LOOK LIKE YOU LIVE HERE" and starting a fight is not.

What kills me is that Trayvon would totally be covered under Stand Your Ground. Well, if he were white anyway.
 
2012-04-20 11:46:15 AM
ddam: Why does Martin have to run away?

Because in Florida it's legal for a psycho to follow you around at night for no reason and kill you if you don't.

nopokerface: Now, who did what?

We'll never know, there's only two people who know what happened that night and the one who didn't have a gun is dead.
 
2012-04-20 11:46:17 AM
Oh the butt hurt that will flow after he's acquitted will be so epic
 
2012-04-20 11:46:35 AM
nopokerface: nekom: There's a difference between taking an appropriate action and taking an inappropriate one.

Well, there's something we can all agree on.

Now, who did what?


Following around a teen at night while carrying a gun was not an appropriate response, IMO. It's a recipe for a disaster.
 
2012-04-20 11:46:39 AM
Psychomancer: The little punk had no right to lay hands on Zimmerman regardless of being followed.

So you'd have no problem if I chase you around your neighborhood later on tonight? You wouldn't feel inclined to maybe "stand your ground" if you feared I was chasing you to try and harm you?
 
2012-04-20 11:46:43 AM
MindStalker: Silly Jesus: Also, remember, he only has to pay or put up property worth %10 of the amount. His parents already said they would put up their house. Surely it's worth $15,000.

No, its pay or pay 10% for a bond. So yes they could sell their house, they couldn't just put it as the bond.


Unless Florida has some law against Property Bonds that I'm not aware of, you're mistaken. They happen all the time.

Property bond - Sometimes a property bond may be posted with the court. The court will record a property lien on the property of the defendant (or of his cosignor). The property must be worth at least the amount of the bail. Should the defendant skip bail, the court has the right to start foreclosure proceedings on the property used as collateral. - Wiki
 
2012-04-20 11:46:59 AM
Headso: People who don't understand gun safety say this stuff.

Oh, I don't like guns. Seems George handled his legally.
 
2012-04-20 11:47:44 AM
Cybernetic: This is the first time that I can recall anyone mentioning that Zimmerman is married. Have I just not been noticing that?

Had you been paying closer attention, Zimmerman said that he was heading the the store that evening while his wife was making dinner. I can understand why you wouldn't know that with the mob ranting and raving about him being out, patrolling the neighborhood.
 
2012-04-20 11:47:57 AM
Gladys: Oh. What's that? There is no evidence to show that he was attacked?

No evidence to show that the...dead kid...was attacked?
 
2012-04-20 11:48:42 AM
RevBigfoot: Psychomancer: The little punk had no right to lay hands on Zimmerman regardless of being followed.

So you'd have no problem if I chase you around your neighborhood later on tonight? You wouldn't feel inclined to maybe "stand your ground" if you feared I was chasing you to try and harm you?


I don't know who you are, where you live, or what your poison might be, but dear God I will find a way to buy you a drink.
 
2012-04-20 11:48:42 AM
Jane Velez-Mitchell only had one orgasm instead of the usual three.
 
2012-04-20 11:48:53 AM
The prosecution is pretty much boned. Getting a conviction out of this is going to be A LOT harder than convicting Casey Anthony. Zimmerman will walk and there will be more million-hoodie-skittle-iced-tea-marches for Trayvon.
 
2012-04-20 11:49:03 AM
s2s2s2: GGracie: Zimmerman has a wife - I did not know this... just read it in another article.

I hear he recently quit beating her.


thats after the next TV break, please they need ratings and fill time

THIS JUST IN .... our undercover agents discovered Hanes briefs on Zimmermans work bench in his garage and.......
 
2012-04-20 11:49:13 AM
jfivealive: Oh the butt hurt that will flow after he's acquitted will be so epic

He'll definitely get off, for sure.

Because that Florida law is so poorly written.
 
2012-04-20 11:49:19 AM
Gladys: Where is there evidence that he was attacked or needed to defend himself

Guy stalking you in the middle of the night. Nothing threatening there.
 
2012-04-20 11:49:23 AM
This thread needs more Skittles!

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2012-04-20 11:49:36 AM
Psychomancer: factoryconnection: Remember one thing, no matter whose side you're on: if George Zimmerman hadn't shown up, no laws would have been broken, no one would be dead, and George would just be another, anonymous busybody.

Erroneus.

If a rape victim had stayed home, no rape wouldv'e occurred.

If a bank didn't have money in it, it wouldn't get robbed.

Ect

The little punk had no right to lay hands on Zimmerman regardless of being followed. For all the anti-right to defend folks, if the punk had simply ran away, this wouldn't have happened.


Actually, If you listen to the 911 tapes, Trayvon DID try to run away. He was then chased by Mr Zimmerman, even though he was told not to.
 
2012-04-20 11:49:37 AM
xsarien: How is the law on his side again? He was told not to approach the kid, he did so anyway, started shiat up, and it got to the point where he felt compelled to shoot his gun. All of this could've been avoided if Mr. I Want To Be A Hero actually had some common sense instead of ammo. Defending yourself against some random jackass who walks up to me flashing a gun is a rational thing to do; walking up to someone and flashing a gun for no reason other HAY GUY YOU DON'T LOOK LIKE YOU LIVE HERE" and starting a fight is not.

Not listening to a 911 dispatcher isn't a crime. Even if it's entirely his fault that he's in the situation (and I believe that it is), he still may have been at the point where he felt his life was in danger. If he can convince a jury of that, he walks. I really don't think the prosecution can prove 2nd degree murder here.
 
2012-04-20 11:49:47 AM
nekom: I'm fairly convinced he's a dick.

Very well could be.

Jake Havechek: like some kind of jerk

www.roughlydrafted.com
 
2012-04-20 11:50:05 AM
Zimmerman said that he was heading the the store that evening while his wife was making dinner

That's his story now?
 
2012-04-20 11:50:18 AM
s2s2s2: Headso: People who don't understand gun safety say this stuff.

Oh, I don't like guns. Seems George handled his legally.


It is apparent from your comments that you are unfamiliar with them. You can do many things with a gun that are legal but unsafe and can cause a disaster.
 
2012-04-20 11:50:22 AM
9beers: Cybernetic: This is the first time that I can recall anyone mentioning that Zimmerman is married. Have I just not been noticing that?

Had you been paying closer attention, Zimmerman said that he was heading the the store that evening while his wife was making dinner. I can understand why you wouldn't know that with the mob ranting and raving about him being out, patrolling the neighborhood.


If all Zimmerman was doing was heading to the store why was he packing?
 
2012-04-20 11:50:38 AM
Petey4335: s2s2s2: factoryconnection: Remember one thing, no matter whose side you're on: if George Zimmerman hadn't shown up, no laws would have been broken, no one would be dead, and George would just be another, anonymous busybody.

That's right, citizens. Take no action in your community toward the reduction of crime, otherwise something bad might happen.

Yep that's right. Its all good if you stalk someone in your neighborhood, when the authorities tell you not to, and then when shiat goes down shoot the person you are stalking and claim self defense.


Dispatchers are not authority. Repeat: Dispatchers are not authority. They have no right to tell you to do anything. You people keep saying "he didn't follow orders" as if it means anything.

Taken from another thread:

You can find more examples elsewhere. Here's a discussion on a cop forum from 2006.

http://www.realpolice.net/forums/ask-cop-112/60021-failure-obey-dispa t cher.html

Link

But, here's a pertinent point:

It's civilian upon civilian. Only a police officer can give you a lawful order. Not a dispatcher. They can only give you advice.

And, hilariously, this line, mind you six years before the Trayvon incident.

Even a LEO cannot order you to stop doing something that is legal, such as follow a lawbreaker.
 
2012-04-20 11:51:01 AM
Maybe he'll get shivved in the holding cell.
 
2012-04-20 11:51:04 AM
Gladys: ddam: Doesn't Martin have the same right to stand his ground and defend himself?

Where is there evidence that he was attacked or needed to defend himself

Oh. What's that? There is no evidence to show that he was attacked?


He doesn't need to be attacked. Based on stand your ground law in Florida, all Martin needed to defend himself is feel that his life was in danger. Being followed by a stranger in the dark meets that criteria.
 
2012-04-20 11:51:25 AM
RevBigfoot: Psychomancer: The little punk had no right to lay hands on Zimmerman regardless of being followed.

So you'd have no problem if I chase you around your neighborhood later on tonight? You wouldn't feel inclined to maybe "stand your ground" if you feared I was chasing you to try and harm you?


There wasn't any evidence of a chase. The prosecution just admitted as much.

Also, you can't pound someone's head into the sidewalk because they were following you. That's not how it works.
 
2012-04-20 11:51:25 AM
The Homer Tax: Gladys: Oh. What's that? There is no evidence to show that he was attacked?

No evidence to show that the...dead kid...was attacked?


Maybe he had a really severe heart attack. Or maybe instead of skittles and iced tea he'd been drinking and eating pop rocks and soda.
 
2012-04-20 11:51:44 AM
This is what happens when you bring a case based on the whining of Black Racists like Al Sharpton, Black Panthers.

Zimmerman's attorney absolutely blew daisy-cutter-bomb holes in the prosecution. The prosecution was not prepared, and, will have trouble getting this case even through pre-trial hearing. That prosecution attorney was a total blow hard...and there is a reason why he remained a government attorney

When your case is picked apart in the Bond Hearing....you have problems

Watching the Martin family attorneys and their Black Racist waarrggarbl. No...you cannot lynch Zimmerman....not today...not ever. And, THE DUDE EVEN APOLOGIZED FOR YOUR SONS DEATH. These Black Racists want a lynching...they do not want justice

Hopefully no riots tonite,
 
2012-04-20 11:51:45 AM
cheyanne9: When does the movie come out?

Who plays who?


Zimmermang will be played by the dungeon albino from Princess Bride, and the actor playing Trayvon hasn't been born yet.
 
2012-04-20 11:51:49 AM
Petey4335: 9beers: Cybernetic: This is the first time that I can recall anyone mentioning that Zimmerman is married. Have I just not been noticing that?

Had you been paying closer attention, Zimmerman said that he was heading the the store that evening while his wife was making dinner. I can understand why you wouldn't know that with the mob ranting and raving about him being out, patrolling the neighborhood.

If all Zimmerman was doing was heading to the store why was he packing?


Many people with CCW carry it with them all the time. Having a gun doesn't do you any good if you left it at home when you're attacked.
 
2012-04-20 11:51:54 AM
Gladys: Attack implies that Zimmerman instigated the conflict.

We really don't know one way or the other. Zimmerman stalked the kid and left his vehicle to pursue him. The only witness says the two of them were scuffling. Nobody knows who said what or who threw the first punch. Regardless if he had done with the dispatcher advised him to do this never would have happened.
 
2012-04-20 11:52:19 AM
Christophoro syndrome.

Zimmerman is not sorry he killed someone.

He's sorry he got caught.

/Zimmerman is clearly a sociopath.
 
2012-04-20 11:52:26 AM
Silly Jesus: Wow, the prosecution has nothing.

D = Defense / P = Prosecution

D - Do you have any evidence that supports who started the fight? P - No

D - Do you have any evidence in your investigation to date that contradicts or conflicts with his (Zimmerman's) contention that he...
Turned back to his car - P - No
That Martin assaulted first - P - No

P - The shooting was in close proximity. Powder burns were on the sweatshirt. Stippling on Martin to indicate close proximity.

D - Is the evidence inconsistent with Zimmerman saying his head was being hit on the ground? P - No

D - What are the injuries? P - Two lacerations to the back of his head.

D - Could it have been from his head hitting the ground? P - Yes

D - Have you asked Zimmerman for medical records showing that his nose was broken? P - No. D - Would you like a copy of them? P - *stunned look* BWAHAHAHAHA

The Prosecution's investigator comes across as a pompous ass, too, so that won't help them with the jury. He got easily frustrated and flustered when they called him on his use of "confrontation" with nothing to back it up.



Seriously are those exchanges for real, what happened at the hearing?
 
2012-04-20 11:52:43 AM
Silly Jesus: Serious Black: s2s2s2: factoryconnection: Remember one thing, no matter whose side you're on: if George Zimmerman hadn't shown up, no laws would have been broken, no one would be dead, and George would just be another, anonymous busybody.

That's right, citizens. Take no action in your community toward the reduction of crime, otherwise something bad might happen.

When the 911 dispatcher tells you not to chase somebody down in an act of vigilante justice and you do it anyway, you're not reducing crime.

There's no evidence that he did that and the prosecution just admitted to such.


Yeah, I'm aware that there's no evidence George chased after Trayvon. But there's no evidence Trayvon chased after George either. Why were they in the alley in the first place? Suppose my second scenario were true and that George stopped following Trayvon after the dispatcher told him to stop. What motivation did he have to go there? What motivation did Trayvon have to go after a guy that he believed was chasing him just a few minutes beforehand? I can't think of any reason why I, as an unarmed man, would go from running (or quickly walking) away from somebody that was pursuing me for an unknown reason to pursuing that man. Occam's razor suggests that the simplest explanation for events is the best.

/obviously this means nothing in a court of law
 
2012-04-20 11:52:44 AM
Rapmaster2000: I think this would be a great opportunity for us to discuss the specifics of the case and agree on what really happened here.

OK, so multiple witnesses have reported that they witnessed Trayvon Martin walking around like a THUG listening to rap music that goes "grab jab baby wannna stick it in ya!!" on multiple occasions.

Meanwhile, the brave Neighborhood Watch Commando George Zimmerman was making his usual rounds to protect the neighborhood from trouble and THUGS when he was brutally attacked by this savage and had no choice but to dispatch this THUG with extreme prejudice.

Now I know many of you disagree, but suppose for a second that your house was ransacked by THUGS, your family was tied up in the basement, with socks in their mouths! You try to open the door, but there's too much blood on the knob!!

Huh, huh? What then?

Alright, I'm glad we could all agree that I'm right. Case closed.


That post was all kinds of stupid.

The kid was walking home with a hoodie in the rain. ZImmerman didn't like the way he looked. 911 operator racially profiled the kid (really: He asked Zimmerman if the kid was Black or Hispanic. Why not White?) Zimmerman stalked the kid (literally chasing after him) after the cops told him not to. Kid defended himself, Zimmerman defended himself. Kid lost. Fuzzy "Stand your ground" law is applied in both cases. Zimmerman will probably get probation and hopefully his gun permit overturned. Socially, Zimmerman will become a pariah.
 
2012-04-20 11:52:45 AM
Silly Jesus: Wow, the prosecution has nothing.

D = Defense / P = Prosecution

D - Do you have any evidence that supports who started the fight? P - No

D - Do you have any evidence in your investigation to date that contradicts or conflicts with his (Zimmerman's) contention that he...
Turned back to his car - P - No
That Martin assaulted first - P - No

P - The shooting was in close proximity. Powder burns were on the sweatshirt. Stippling on Martin to indicate close proximity.

D - Is the evidence inconsistent with Zimmerman saying his head was being hit on the ground? P - No

D - What are the injuries? P - Two lacerations to the back of his head.

D - Could it have been from his head hitting the ground? P - Yes

D - Have you asked Zimmerman for medical records showing that his nose was broken? P - No. D - Would you like a copy of them? P - *stunned look* BWAHAHAHAHA

The Prosecution's investigator comes across as a pompous ass, too, so that won't help them with the jury. He got easily frustrated and flustered when they called him on his use of "confrontation" with nothing to back it up.


All of this + the bloody head picture... I mean. Wow. What are they thinking? This is just like the OJ trial, or Casey Anthony - all the media pressure changes this from a trial, to a wicked cool reality tv show where rules are thrown out the window.
 
2012-04-20 11:52:48 AM
Petey4335: If all Zimmerman was doing was heading to the store why was he packing?

Because he can.
 
2012-04-20 11:52:49 AM
Headso: s2s2s2: Headso: People who don't understand gun safety say this stuff.

Oh, I don't like guns. Seems George handled his legally.

It is apparent from your comments that you are unfamiliar with them. You can do many things with a gun that are legal but unsafe and can cause a disaster.


For instance my 7mm rem mag. Its a real tack driver. Unfortunately it will drive the tacks through the wood and anything else behind it for up to a mile.
 
2012-04-20 11:53:24 AM
Pity Mr. Martin wasn't armed.
 
2012-04-20 11:53:30 AM
s2s2s2: Headso: People who don't understand gun safety say this stuff.

Oh, I don't like guns. Seems George handled his legally.


Against the rules of his neighborhood watch.

You see, neighborhood watch groups tell people flat-out, do not patrol armed, in part because if some stupid shiat goes down, it opens the homeowners association up to a big fat lawsuit.
 
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