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(New York Daily News)   In a world where America fights to remain in front: Talking pineapple question on state exam stumps Students, Teachers and Principals   (nydailynews.com) divider line 54
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2012-04-20 01:43:15 PM  
4 votes:
Here is the correct answer:

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2012-04-20 01:39:41 PM  
4 votes:
FTFA: Scarsdale Middle School Principal Michael McDermott said the question has been used before and "confused students in six or seven different states."

And he had a quick answer to the question of who is the wisest: "Pearson for getting paid $32 million for recycling this crap."


At least someone gets it. It's not about educating children, it's about how much can a corporation make off of it.
2012-04-20 12:49:41 PM  
4 votes:
Actually, if the question was to determine writing skills rather than reading comprehension, I can see where putting an unclear situation like this in print might lead to more complicated answers from students. They want the kids to defend their position even though there isn't a clear-cut answer.

However, I suspect that this question was really supposed to be about reading comprehension and Ken Jennings is correct and someone wrote it during a Peyote trip.
2012-04-20 04:23:48 PM  
3 votes:

Fish in a Barrel: I thought the story was a little Voight-Kampff-esque, too.


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Holden: You're in a magical forest, sitting near a tree, when all of a sudden you look over...
Leon: What one?
Holden: What?
Leon: What forest?
Holden: It doesn't make any difference what forest, it's completely hypothetical.
Leon: But, how come I'd be there?
Holden: Maybe you're fed up. Maybe you want to be by yourself. Who knows? You look over and see a hare, Leon. It's talking to you...
Leon: Hare? What's that?
Holden: You know what a rabbit is?
Leon: Of course!
Holden: Same thing.
Leon: I've never seen a rabbit... But I understand what you mean.
Holden: You look at the hare, and you challenge it to a race, Leon.
Leon: Do you make up these questions, Mr. Holden? Or do they write 'em down for you?
Holden: The hare sprints off the starting line, clearly wanting to win the race. But it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping.
Leon: What do you mean, I'm not helping?
Holden: I mean: you're not helping! You're just sitting there, not racing! Why is that, Leon?
2012-04-20 01:54:02 PM  
3 votes:
As I started reading the article, I thought "Pearson". And yes, it was. That company is a farking joke, yet they get billions from education every year. They can't deliver test results on time, and you can read what kind of questions they come up with. I swear they must be blackmailing school boards to get the contracts they have.

/not a teacher, just a parent that sees the crap they pull
2012-04-20 01:52:07 PM  
3 votes:

koder: There isn't a right answer, obviously; they're open-ended questions that leave the test-taker to answer any way they want--as long as it's grammatically/stylistically correct.


Did you not read the entire article? The "open-ended" questions were multiple choice.
2012-04-20 01:45:20 PM  
3 votes:

Walker: 1. Why did the animals eat the pineapple?
a. they were annoyed
b. they were amused
c. they were hungry
d. they wanted to

HOW CAN I READ ANIMAL'S MINDS??? QUESTION IS INVALID!


The obvious answer is d. They wanted to. All the other answers presume some motivation on the animals part that can not be known. The only confirmed fact we have in evidence is that they did, in fact, eat the pineapple, and therefore must have wanted to.

All this tells us is that kids are a bunch of dumbasses, and Americans in general are a bunch of unaccountable pansies.
2012-04-20 01:39:29 PM  
3 votes:
Also, the wisest animal was the hare for running away from a talking pineapple.
2012-04-20 06:51:05 PM  
2 votes:
Beginning with paragraph 4, in what order are the events in the story told?

B In the order in which the events happen

From the fourth paragraph on they unfold in a linearly.

The animals ate the pineapple most likely because they were

C Annoyed

The animals thought the pineapple tricked them and were annoyed, whether they were correct isn't relevant.

Which animal spoke the wisest words?

D The owl

Only statement verifiable

Before the race, how did the animals feel toward the pineapple?
A Suspicious

The hare accused the pineapple and planted suspicion in the other animals creating a confirmation bias.

What would have happened if the animals had decided to cheer for the hare?

D They would have been happy to have cheered for a winner.

If doubt had not been introduced, they would have been glad their favorite had won.

When the moose said that the pineapple has some trick up its sleeve, he means that the pineapple

C has a plan to fool the animals

It's an idiom.

The nouns are nonsensical, but the information to follow the characters and the narrative are clear. As a reading and word parsing comprehension test it works, but what they're trying to assess with it is beyond me.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/talking-pineapple-question-state-e xam-stumps-article-1.1064657#ixzz1sch868Pk
2012-04-20 03:09:22 PM  
2 votes:
Process of elimination:


1. Why did the animals eat the pineapple?
a. they were annoyed - Possible
b. they were amused - Clearly not
c. they were hungry - Possible
d. they wanted to - This covers all possibilities. If they ate him because they were annoyed, they did it intentionally because they wanted to. If they ate him because they were hungary, they did so because they wanted to. Because A = D, C = D, A = C. Because A and C are equivalent, you should chose D because it is less restrictive and also is equivalent with A and C.

The answer here is D.

2. Who was the wisest?
a. the hare
b. moose
c. crow
d. owl

Eliminate D - there was no owl.
Eliminate Moose - He correctly noted that the pineapple does not have sleeves, but went along with the crow's gambit anyways.
Eliminate Hare - The hare offers no indication of wisdom. He merely agrees to a non-sensical race he believes he cannot lose. The pineapple also knows he cannot win. Therefore the pineapple must have an ulterior motive. That is, whatever the gain is for victory does not benefit him, so he intended to start a race he knew he would lose. The Pineapple either wanted the hare to have a lifetime supply of toothpaste and a ninja, or he believed that his ownership of such items would either harm him or have no net gain.

Chose Crow: Wisdom is not simply getting an answer correct. Wisdom is experiential knowledge. Intelligence is based on accumulated facts and logic and can be measured by how easily a person can attain correct knowledge of these things.

The crow evaluated a situation that made no sense, suspecting that people only do what is beneficial to them. He then believed this must mean the pineapple was being disingenuous. His choice, given all the information, was based experientially on the universe he understood, which indicates wisdom, even if he was incorrect.

The answer to 2 is C.
2012-04-20 02:58:53 PM  
2 votes:
The monkey.
2012-04-20 02:33:06 PM  
2 votes:

Russ1642: Fish in a Barrel: Arkanaut: You laugh now, Daily News, but do you have a better way of telling which of our children are actually replicants?

I thought the story was a little Voight-Kampff-esque, too.

This might also be some kind of calibration question. Although I'm not sure what a nonsense question would be used to calibrate. Perhaps identify cheating if too many people chose the same answer?

Could be.


This was my first thought. And that the administrators would not have suspected the same speaks much about their tunnel vision.
2012-04-20 02:08:13 PM  
2 votes:
I bet it's an unscored question designed to induce stress in the student. As an employer I want people that not only get the right answers, but also do so under stress. Just imagine putting that in early in a 60 question test. The rest of the day the student is thinking, "tha fark waz that?!?". Those able to cope with stress put it out of their minds while they concentrate on the other questions.
2012-04-20 01:55:55 PM  
2 votes:

Arkanaut: You laugh now, Daily News, but do you have a better way of telling which of our children are actually replicants?


I thought the story was a little Voight-Kampff-esque, too.

This might also be some kind of calibration question. Although I'm not sure what a nonsense question would be used to calibrate. Perhaps identify cheating if too many people chose the same answer?
2012-04-20 01:47:07 PM  
2 votes:
There isn't a right answer, obviously; they're open-ended questions that leave the test-taker to answer any way they want--as long as it's grammatically/stylistically correct.

On a related note, the reactions to the question demonstrate something far, far scarier: a profound lack of creativity, imagination, and adaptability to novel situations among those aforementioned students, teachers, and principals. That, alone, is far more spiritually deadly to a populace than skill in grammar. If they can't deal with that, then yes, they deserve to fail the test; the age of the mindless-office-worker drone and the assembly-line worker is rapidly coming to an end, and if we don't adapt to an economy of creativity, imagination, and innovation, we're screwed.

As such, I think it's the schools themselves--not the test--that need to adapt.
2012-04-20 01:44:50 PM  
2 votes:
You laugh now, Daily News, but do you have a better way of telling which of our children are actually replicants?
2012-04-20 01:42:49 PM  
2 votes:
But teachers who object to these standardised tests as a way to evaluate their performance are just a bunch of lazy overpaid union thugs, amirite? And those snowflakes should stop whining, get off my lawn, and gbtw.

/the hare was the wisest. He avoided all the crap philosophising and just ran the damn race.
/they ate the pineapple because they wanted to, duh.
2012-04-20 11:49:03 PM  
1 votes:
There's no problem with these questions. There's a problem with standardized testing, and this is a great example of why, but if you remove from the discussion the fact that all standardized testing favors certain biases over others and thus ensures the results will be such that rich kids score better on the test than poor ones regardless of intelligence, it's a perfectly fair reading comprehension story with decent questions afterward.
2012-04-20 11:37:28 PM  
1 votes:
The answer to the question is in the story verbatim:

-> Pineapples don't have sleeves, an owl said

And at the end:

-> MORAL: Pineapples don't have sleeves

So, the MORAL is the wise lesson we were to learn from this story, and it was directly stated by the owl.

The moose mistakes the owl's wisdom for crassness, while the owl is flatly stating that there is no trick up anybody's sleeve.

I think the whole "why did they eat the pineapple" bit is a worse question. I think because they were annoyed, but it is equally logical and acceptable to assume it is because they were hungry.
2012-04-20 08:12:35 PM  
1 votes:
If you read this right after it was originally posted, both the story and the questions have changed significantly.
2012-04-20 05:48:46 PM  
1 votes:
And he had a quick answer to the question of who is the wisest: "Pearson for getting paid $32 million for recycling this crap."

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2012-04-20 05:37:18 PM  
1 votes:

My Third Testicle: AverageAmericanGuy: Walker: 1. Why did the animals eat the pineapple?
a. they were annoyed
b. they were amused
c. they were hungry
d. they wanted to

HOW CAN I READ ANIMAL'S MINDS??? QUESTION IS INVALID!

d. they wanted to.

They did not have a reason to eat the pineapple. Therefore, if they ate the pineapple without a reason, it is because they wanted to.

2. Who was the wisest?
a. the hare
b. moose
c. crow
d. owl

Duh. C. Crow.

1: C
Ascribing "wants" to animals is anthropomorphizing. They ate because they were hungry.
2: C
The crow was wrong, but logical.

or, maybe something else


LOLwut? Ascribing wants to animals is anthropomorphizing, and therefore incorrect, in a story in which the animals have conversations, set up, and run races?
2012-04-20 04:52:13 PM  
1 votes:
2012-04-20 04:49:26 PM  
1 votes:
You know, when you get SO many presumably-intelligent people who use different methods to arrive at DIFFERENT answers which are all OBVIOUSLY correct to the person who answered that way, it's almost as though the question has many different valid interpretations which yield different results. Such a question HAS no correct answer and it has no business being on an 8th-grade reading test.

Or is this the 8th-grade reading test's version of a FARK Politics tab discussion?
2012-04-20 04:40:53 PM  
1 votes:
It seems pretty straightforward to me. The animals in the story are confronted by a nonsensical situation with an obvious answer: the rabbit will win a race against an immobile pineapple. However, the animals wrongly conclude that because the situation is so extraordinary, the answer must be equally extraordinary.

The objective of the test question is to determine whether or not the students are smart enough to recognize the lesson in the fable and not overthink the question. The answers are "d. they wanted to" and "a. the hare". It's no surprise that a bunch of dumbass adults act just like the animals, get tricked into overthinking the scenario, and fail to recognize the obvious answers.
2012-04-20 04:31:15 PM  
1 votes:
Holden: Maybe you're fed up. Maybe you want to be by yourself. Who knows? You look over and see a pineapple, Leon. It's talking to you...
Leon: Pineapple? What's that?
Holden: You know who Edward James Olmos is?
Leon: Of course!
Holden: Same thing.


FTFY
2012-04-20 04:27:44 PM  
1 votes:
This story triggers the retirement of not one, but two memes.
1) This question is maximum trolling and as such, precludes anything else from earning that title.
2) LOL Wut? is the only possible response to this question and as it is a perfect response, the response can not be used for anything else, since its soulmate has been found.
2012-04-20 04:09:36 PM  
1 votes:

My Third Testicle: AverageAmericanGuy: Walker: 1. Why did the animals eat the pineapple?
a. they were annoyed
b. they were amused
c. they were hungry
d. they wanted to

HOW CAN I READ ANIMAL'S MINDS??? QUESTION IS INVALID!

d. they wanted to.

They did not have a reason to eat the pineapple. Therefore, if they ate the pineapple without a reason, it is because they wanted to.

2. Who was the wisest?
a. the hare
b. moose
c. crow
d. owl

Duh. C. Crow.

1: C
Ascribing "wants" to animals is anthropomorphizing. They ate because they were hungry.
2: C
The crow was wrong, but logical.

or, maybe something else


In what universe is anthromorphology NOT a legitimate literary device that has to be taken into account when reading?

If a story tells me that the cabinet secretly desired to have brass handles, rather than aluminum, it's no less "real" in the context of that story than if it had told me that the cabinet's owner was a woman. It's a narrative, and you have to accept the facts of the story. Apparently the correct answer is annoyance, which can only be deduced from facts not present in the version provided by the article. I think this entire thing might be a media fabrication.

I guess we're all a little burnt out on Trayvon.
2012-04-20 04:05:26 PM  
1 votes:

fisker: Quote FTFA:

AS an eighth grader I would like to say that this is not the version of the story that was on the test and the Animals ate the pineapple because they were annoyed that they had cheered for a loser. Also there was an owl in that version who said "pineapples don't have sleeves" which made him the wisest.


As an adult I would like to say that I already suspected the transcription of this story to be inaccurate, so thanks for clarifying that... but I would *also* like to say that the only way to know that those two particular answers are the "correct" answers, the story itself would have had to literally declare them so.

Something like a sentence in the story saying "This annoyed the animals." and "The wise owl said..."

In which case it's still a farking awful question because you're not testing reading comprehension, your testing regurgitation and keywording.
2012-04-20 03:42:46 PM  
1 votes:

FlacidDonkey: An employee making up tests for Pearson creates a bizarre story about magical animals and talking fruit, then inserts it into a standardized test. The questions about the story confuses everyone. The employee is:

A) Off their meds.
B) Smoked out
C) Pissed at their supervisor and decides to be an a**hole!!!


WHile inconsistent with the facts of the story, this little interpretation reminded me of the days I spent reviewing software use-cases for medical crap.

Use case: "Baby is created in system with no mother identified."
Causes: 1) Mother dies during labor
2) Mother abandons baby at hospital
3) User omits entrance of mother in database throughout process.
4) User deletes mother when creating record associations for infant

Sub-causes: 1) Baby was born too late. Exactly 36 hours too late for the well being of the mother.
2) Streets be cold, yo.
3) Laziness
4) Peyote

Mitigations: 1) Create record for mother and move status to deceased. Time of death should coincide with time of birth. Automatic records update.
2) Create record for Jane Doe as mother. If unnamed, infant to be identified as J. Doe.
3) Increased accessibility of coffee in proximity of delivery ward.
4) Decreased accessibility of peyote in proximity of delivery ward.
2012-04-20 03:40:43 PM  
1 votes:
"When Gregor Samsa woke up one morning from unsettling dreams, he found himself changed in his bed into a talking pineapple."
HBK
2012-04-20 03:36:47 PM  
1 votes:

Rent Party: Walker: 1. Why did the animals eat the pineapple?
a. they were annoyed
b. they were amused
c. they were hungry
d. they wanted to

HOW CAN I READ ANIMAL'S MINDS??? QUESTION IS INVALID!

The obvious answer is d. They wanted to. All the other answers presume some motivation on the animals part that can not be known. The only confirmed fact we have in evidence is that they did, in fact, eat the pineapple, and therefore must have wanted to.

All this tells us is that kids are a bunch of dumbasses, and Americans in general are a bunch of unaccountable pansies.


I'm going with C, they were hungry. The prompt provides that the animals could speak English, not that the animals were given human-like feelings, desires, or emotions. Animals eat because of instinct and hunger, not because they "want to."
2012-04-20 02:49:28 PM  
1 votes:

koder: There isn't a right answer, obviously; they're open-ended questions that leave the test-taker to answer any way they want--as long as it's grammatically/stylistically correct.

On a related note, the reactions to the question demonstrate something far, far scarier: a profound lack of creativity, imagination, and adaptability to novel situations among those aforementioned students, teachers, and principals. That, alone, is far more spiritually deadly to a populace than skill in grammar. If they can't deal with that, then yes, they deserve to fail the test; the age of the mindless-office-worker drone and the assembly-line worker is rapidly coming to an end, and if we don't adapt to an economy of creativity, imagination, and innovation, we're screwed.

As such, I think it's the schools themselves--not the test--that need to adapt.


Which makes so much sense for a multiple choice answer.
2012-04-20 02:28:11 PM  
1 votes:
The point of the test is not to win, but to face fear and accept the possibility of death.
2012-04-20 02:23:17 PM  
1 votes:
The pineapple knew its ruse would result in being eaten. Hell, the whole plan hinged on it. The pineapple knew that once consumed, the seeds inside it would pass through the animals' alimentary systems, and would be deposited in rich compost. The pineapple trees would then grow large and produce am army of pineapples, who would then decimate all mammalian life in the forest by using coordinated suicide attacks, during which they would fall on the animals' heads.
2012-04-20 02:15:59 PM  
1 votes:
Notice the "talking" pineapple didn't say a word after its conversation with Rabbit? That's because rabbit made up a story about the pineapple being able to talk and challenge him to a race, so he could con the other animals.

Rabbit = wisest
2012-04-20 02:14:39 PM  
1 votes:
t2.gstatic.com
2012-04-20 02:08:00 PM  
1 votes:
The moral of the story was if you're a pineapple without legs, don't talk shiat about how you are better than others, or else others will call you on your bullshiat and tear into you.
The animal who was wisest was the rabbit who ran against him, since he empirically proved that the pineapple was a lying bastard chump.
2012-04-20 02:07:23 PM  
1 votes:
1. Why did the animals eat the pineapple?
a. they were annoyed
b. they were amused
c. they were hungry
d. they wanted to


From the question: The animals glanced at each other blankly, and then started to realize how dumb they were.
I would choose "a" for the answer.

2. Who was the wisest?
a. the hare
b. moose
c. crow
d. owl

The moose stated the obvious, that pineapples do not have sleeves, and was called a fool for it. The crow suggested that everyone root for the fruit and this caused them all to feel foolish. The owl is never mentioned in the story. So, I would choose "a" for the answer.
2012-04-20 02:06:40 PM  
1 votes:
southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com

"Hey y'all, instead of just eating the pineapple, how about we pull out it's eye, make it eat it's eye, find someone with AIDS to pee in it's eye socket, and then rape it, and then eat it!
2012-04-20 02:02:26 PM  
1 votes:
The dumbest people are the ones who are busily trying to justify the presence of this question and the answers on the test.

Pearson spokesman Jason Smith said the state Education Department prohibited the company from speaking to the press on "matters like this."

Translation: We have no f*cking idea, and were hoping nobody would notice.
2012-04-20 02:01:01 PM  
1 votes:
Maybe they're trying to identify replicants.
2012-04-20 01:58:15 PM  
1 votes:
I thought the owl was the wisest, because doing a search on 'owl' finds no references to the owl other than it being an answer. Therefore the owl was wise enough to avoid the whole sham and not get stuck with a vegetarian meal.
2012-04-20 01:55:12 PM  
1 votes:
I think it's obvious that we are all less wise for even pondering that question.
2012-04-20 01:52:18 PM  
1 votes:

koder: There isn't a right answer, obviously; they're open-ended questions that leave the test-taker to answer any way they want--as long as it's grammatically/stylistically correct.


Does someone want to mention that it was a multiple choice question, and that he is therefore an idiot?
2012-04-20 01:49:57 PM  
1 votes:

Fano: 2. How is a raven like a writing desk?


It is nevar placed back to front.
2012-04-20 01:49:52 PM  
1 votes:
It's a neat tale that shows how dumb ideas can spread and how they can even seem logical to some people. I'm just not sure that you can turn it into a multiple choice test question.
2012-04-20 01:48:46 PM  
1 votes:
Here we go again
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2012-04-20 01:46:33 PM  
1 votes:
It is my belief that the animals ate the talking pineapple because they feel they had been swindled. The pineapple, presumably knowing he wouldn't win any race, challenged one of the fastest runners. The other animals sense the race is fixed and bet on the pineapple to reap the rewards. When the pineapple predictably losses the race, the animals would be understandably upset and they take the fruit as their reward or revenge.

The wisest animal would have to be the rabbit, since there is no explicit mention of an owl. I believe the rabbit was in on the fix. Knowing he could best a fruit in a race, but the other animals would wager against him, he stands to lose nothing and make a beneficial gain. However, it could be argued that this isn't exactly a wise move. Seeing as the other animals ate a talking and presumably intelligent/sentient being, who's to say they wouldn't take additional revenge on the rabbit if they ever discovered the scheme. He may not be very wise, but I would call him smart. Especially if the rabbit took his winnings to another forest, found another talking fruit, and set his con into motion again...barring some sort of animal police force capable of tracking fugitive rabbits. In that case, he's pretty dumb too.
2012-04-20 01:45:00 PM  
1 votes:
The pineapple in question. He doesn't look so dumb now, does he?

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2012-04-20 01:43:00 PM  
1 votes:

SphericalTime: Actually, if the question was to determine writing skills rather than reading comprehension, I can see where putting an unclear situation like this in print might lead to more complicated answers from students. They want the kids to defend their position even though there isn't a clear-cut answer.

However, I suspect that this question was really supposed to be about reading comprehension and Ken Jennings is correct and someone wrote it during a Peyote trip.


I agree the questions cited may have been acceptable had they been essay questions, but they were multiple choice questions. That's not acceptable.
2012-04-20 01:42:04 PM  
1 votes:
When in doubt...

E) all of the above
2012-04-20 01:40:21 PM  
1 votes:
upload.wikimedia.org

Did someone say talking pineapple?

(obscure?)
2012-04-20 01:36:53 PM  
1 votes:
1. Why did the animals eat the pineapple?
a. they were annoyed
b. they were amused
c. they were hungry
d. they wanted to

HOW CAN I READ ANIMAL'S MINDS??? QUESTION IS INVALID!
 
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