It's time to bring him home.

His name spelled backward is Z Tapnate. Coincidence?

So his parents let him walk to school on his own after he begged them. This is a good lesson to never give in to kids, ever.

From the Etan Patz Wikipedia article:

Each year, on the anniversaries of Etan's birthday and disappearance, Stan Patz sends Ramos a copy of his son's missing child poster. On the back he types the same message: "What did you do to my little boy?"

That just breaks my heart. And I can think of two possibilities of what a pervert like Ramos is doing with a full sized poster of the kid. Jose Antonio Ramos will be getting out of prison on November 7, 2012. I thought I read that he wants to meet with Trayvon's parents to clear the air. What a tragedy.

I doubt it. I smell TV appearances for money.

I guess we can finally close the case on this...

*puts on shades*

...udder tragedy.


YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Nixer: So his parents let him walk to school on his own after he begged them. This is a good lesson to never give in to kids, ever.

Not sure if you're serious, but cases like this one and the Adam Walsh case were extremely rare then and even more rare now. Yet we're more protective of our children than ever, to the point of absurdity. People get investigated or arrested if they let their children outside for a couple of hours or let them walk to school by themselves.

It's insanity.

Your friends and family are a million times more likely to abuse your kid than a stranger.

/police arrested a sex offender in my yard - selling children's books door-to-door.

ghare: /police arrested a sex offender in my yard - selling children's books door-to-door.

How many did you buy?

ebell: Nixer: So his parents let him walk to school on his own after he begged them. This is a good lesson to never give in to kids, ever.

Not sure if you're serious, but cases like this one and the Adam Walsh case were extremely rare then and even more rare now. Yet we're more protective of our children than ever, to the point of absurdity. People get investigated or arrested if they let their children outside for a couple of hours or let them walk to school by themselves.

It's insanity.

So I take it you're pretty sure that it's the magic rock that caused the first part? I can sell it to you.

/It keeps tigers away, too.

walkerhound: ghare: /police arrested a sex offender in my yard - selling children's books door-to-door.

How many did you buy?

What's the going price for sex offenders these days?

Lsherm: I can't tell, is this guy in on it or not?

If the body had rotted significantly before being moved, there should be at least traces of adipocere (also known as corpse, grave or mortuary wax, is a wax-like organic substance formed by the anaerobic bacterial hydrolysis of fat in tissue, such as body fat in corpses. In its formation, putrefaction is replaced by a permanent firm cast of fatty tissues, internal organs and the face.~ Wiki). That might be enough to hang the SOB.

man...I hope so, just for the family's sake...not knowing the fate of your child has to be the most agonizing thing ever.

Mr. Cat Poop: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 306x458]

Great. Now some producer will see this and we're gonna have yet another crime drama on tv.

I so hope they name the show F.E.R.T.

Nixer: So his parents let him walk to school on his own after he begged them. This is a good lesson to never give in to kids, ever.

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Mr. Cat Poop: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 306x458]

Great. Now some producer will see this and we're gonna have yet another crime drama on tv.

I hope they do one on the FBI Arson Response Team instead.

Flakeloaf: SkunkWerks: Nixer: So his parents let him walk to school on his own after he begged them. This is a good lesson to never give in to kids, ever.

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I can't whup to this.

No, but your helicopter might.

BeatrixK: I remember this as a kid. I was about 11 at the time, and I vividly recall that this story made me afraid to do my normal, outside kids stuff. It was a different time back then...you DIDN'T automatically have a reason to immediately fear strangers/the outside world. You could play outside until dark, didn't have a cell phone, and your parents didn't have to give a second thought that you'd be home when you were supposed to be. It makes me sad that kids today will never know that kind of 'security', I guess that the world around them wasn't going to immediately swallow them whole and that it was dangerous from the onset.

There's a great movie with Judd Hirsch and Kate Nelligan based loosely on this case: Without a Trace.

I seriously hope this provides the family with something. I can't fathom having a giant question mark in your life for over 3 decades where your child is concerned.

Whats funny is that crime statistics have been falling since you were a kid. The idea that a pedophile is behind every bush and tree now is total BS. It was infinitely more dangerous statistically speaking when you were a child compared to today. So while it may have seemed more 'secure' it was an illusion.

The media has done a good job of scaring parents sooo much that they just don't let their kids out to play etc, it has nothing to do with actual crime.

You would think that the body would of curdled by now...

I know I know whey too far right?

I used to have a homemade hat that was a cardboard milk carton and "Have You Seen Me Lately" printed over the face opening. I would wear it on Halloween. It eventually wore out and I tossed it.

/Yes, I shamelessly stole the idea from MST3K.

Things got a bit dusty when I read that the family never moved from their home so that they'd be there when Etan came back. I can't imagine not knowing where your child is for nearly 33 years, whether they're alive or dead, nothing. That kind of uncertainty and fear must sit inside you like a rock. I hope they find something, no matter how trace or miniscule to at least give this family some kind of closure.

lectos: Mr. Cat Poop: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 306x458]

Great. Now some producer will see this and we're gonna have yet another crime drama on tv.

I so hope they name the show F.E.R.T.

Then they could do another show called S.pecial H.omiced I.nvestigation T.eam.

not original, stole it from author J.A. Jance.

On a serious note. I would have some issues from wondering what happened to my child, especially after 30 yrs. At the least it would have always been in the back of my mind.

Lsherm: Police sources say that if Etan was familiar with Miller then he would have also been with Ramos - who would have had access to Miller's basement workshop at the area the FBI are now searching.

Etan's face stared out from posters, milk cartons and newspapers for years after he disappeared
Thought the 75-year-old was never named as a suspect in the initial investigation, police say they did search and examine his basement, though did not dig it up because they didn't think it was worth the cost, according to the New York Post.
After they questioned him recently, the feds put special scent pads - which absorb and retain odors - in the basement. A cadaver dog picked up the smell of human remains and this was again confirmed when they brought the dog to the basement.
When the FBI went back to Miller and told him about the dog's discovery, he allegedly blurted out: 'What if the body was moved?' according to the Post.

I can't tell, is this guy in on it or not?

Very strange behavior if you ask me...

I didn't read the thread and I'm sure it's been mentioned but...

"They considered getting jack hammers and digging it up but decided it wasn't worth it when Miller told them they would have to pay to replace it."

Are you farking kidding me? Not worth it? Who made that decision? I don't get too upset over things I read on the internet but my Jimmys, boy have they been rustled.

Flakeloaf: Lesson identified. It'll become a lesson learned when we stop farking doing it.

Jesus. That's the one I thought it was. Maybe the article I read earlier was more sensational, but the compassion toward the woman in the article you linked turns my farking stomach.

Here's part of her testimony from another article:
"She said don't let him do it again."
"I told her she was a very strong girl. She said, 'Like you?' and I said, 'No, you're very much stronger.'"
Then, she said, "I walked her back to the vehicle and gave her back to Mike."

Needless to say, I think the article you link doesn't cover how utterly farking evil the woman was - regardless of her young age and purported remorse.

I am pretty certain that he is dead.

Flakeloaf: TheShavingofOccam123: Now maybe they'll solve the boy in the box mystery.

What did the rebel say? I thought he'd never surrender.

Eurasian Eyes see what you did there.

Burried in one of these:

Flakeloaf: TBQH I didn't read it, I chose it only because it detailed how that was the first time her parents let her walk home from school.

Eh, no problem. I wasn't criticizing YOU, only the article you linked.

Uh. Very... Well thought out reply... Um. Yikes. :)

Coco LaFemme: Things got a bit dusty when I read that the family never moved from their home so that they'd be there when Etan came back.

Yeah right. In this housing market you couldn't give one of those over-inflated money pits away. Cute sentiment, but I call complete bullshiat on the parents.

lohphat: So one kid gets 'napped and killed and the country goes batshiate crazy and kids evermore live in fear.

But 43,000 people die every year in car accidents but no one is afraid about getting in a car.

People are morons.

Risk assessment. People think they're in control of cars. "It won't happen to me. I'm an excellent driver! People who get in car crashes are bad drivers!" vs. "It could happen to anyone at any time! No defense!"

But I'm with you on the "people are morons" thing.

kindms: BeatrixK:

Whats funny is that crime statistics have been falling since you were a kid. The idea that a pedophile is behind every bush and tree now is total BS. It was infinitely more dangerous statistically speaking when you were a child compared to today. So while it may have seemed more 'secure' it was an illusion.

The media has done a good job of scaring parents sooo much that they just don't let their kids out to play etc, it has nothing to do with actual crime.

This. The world is no scarier now than it was in the 70s, 80s, whatever, in fact it is loads safer when you consider things like safety standards in toys and vehicles, along with surveillance technology and everyone having a cell phone.

Granted I'm about to reference a TV show, but it's from Criminal Minds which has actual FBI consultants who did the job the show portrays (yay special features). According to that, 'Stranger Danger' was one of the worst methods of teaching kids to be safe, because most kids get snatched or abused by someone who knows them. I've read that elsewhere too iirc. Also something they've repeated a few times is that if the kid isn't found in the first hour, the likelihood of finding them drops every hour and after 24 hours, it's highly unlikely to find them alive :( - that may apply to adults as well, I don't quite remember.

I think perhaps it isn't entirely the media's fault, although the bulk of it is. The rest I attribute to the fact that we have a 24 hour news cycle now which reaches far more people, plus with the internet and social media news can be instantly transmitted across the world and then shared with all your friends seconds later. Media has a far wider reach so in addition to keeping the story running, most people are going to hear about it.

FTFA:
Prosecutors reopened the cold case two years ago, and began focusing on the Prince Street basement room following a positive hit by NYPD and FBI cadaver dogs.
Special odor-absorbing pads were placed in the room, capturing the scent of human remains -- even decades old -- that police cadaver dogs were able to detect.

Sounds scientific, just like how they hit on "narcotics" in a vehicle. And I'd trust this statement just as much as I'd trust a cop who says his dog got a hit on my car.