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2012-04-19 11:01:51 PM

9beers: NightOwl2255: 9beers: Pretty much.

And the punchline is that your intellectual dishonesty allows to actually believe it.

I use facts to back up my opinion. What are you using?


Here's what I don't get by what you are saying:

The police dispatcher requested that Zimmerman wait for officers to arrive.

Zimmerman ignored that. He had a gun and approached Martin who had every right to be there.

Zimmerman has every right to stand his ground under current law.

Martin may have felt threatened and defended himself. Is stand your ground not also applicable to him?

If true, Martin breaks Zimmerman's nose and causes lacerations to the back his head. Again, is he not allowed to defend himself?

Zimmeran retaliates with his firearm during the struggle.

The entire event happened because of Zimmerman's judgement and physical action. If that is not true, please explain how,
 
2012-04-19 11:06:12 PM

Mrtraveler01: Honestly, I don't know how you can tell his nose is broken when comparing the two pictures.

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For one,,, you said both pictures which would 2 differing photo's. Both pictures are the same which makes your whole premise a lie. Why are you lying?
 
2012-04-19 11:07:44 PM

9beers: NightOwl2255: 9beers: I use facts to back up my opinion. What are you using?

Your mean my opinion that we don't know exactly what happen that night. The fact that we don't know every fact in this case. The fact that there are unanswered questions.

Yes, we are all aware that in you opinion there are no unknown facts, but if it's alright with you, or even if it's not, we are going to go ahead and do some more investigating and if warranted, have us a trial. Okay skippy?

I've said many times that we don't have facts to confirm everything that happened that night. The difference is that you seem fine with convicting somebody with a crime without evidence.


Once again with the lies. Show one post I've made that indicates that I think Zimmerman is guilty. Don't bother, you won't find one. I, unlike you, could not care less if Zimmerman is found guilty or not. But, I'm glad that there is an ongoing investigation and possibly it will go to trial. If that happens, it's up to the jury. There is one undeniably fact in this case, if Zimmerman would have continued on his way to the store, Martin would be alive and Zimmerman's life would not be a smoldering heap.
 
2012-04-19 11:09:22 PM

djkutch: The entire event happened because of Zimmerman's judgement and physical action. If that is not true, please explain how,


Because of Zimmermans version of events.
 
2012-04-19 11:11:22 PM

NightOwl2255: Once again with the lies. Show one post I've made that indicates that I think Zimmerman is guilty. Don't bother, you won't find one. I, unlike you, could not care less if Zimmerman is found guilty or not. But, I'm glad that there is an ongoing investigation and possibly it will go to trial. If that happens, it's up to the jury. There is one undeniably fact in this case, if Zimmerman would have continued on his way to the store, Martin would be alive and Zimmerman's life would not be a smoldering heap.


What store?
 
2012-04-19 11:14:36 PM

9beers: Weaver95: except there's no evidence that actually happened.

Yes, there's no evidence of Martin assaulting Zimmerman, except for...

an eyewitness
a police report
paramedics
a video
neighbors who saw Zimmerman in bandages the next day

Keep on derping.


Hey dumbfark, if I was jumped, I'd fight back too. You really are as goddamned stupid as you appear. Congrats, your parents must be so proud.
 
2012-04-19 11:21:25 PM

ununcle: Keizer_Ghidorah: All the photos and footage I've seen, he's pretty blood-free and uninjured for someone whose head was slammed repeatedly on concrete and his nose broken. Apparently we have the insta-heal devices from "Star Trek" now, or the medics forgot to put bandages over the serious head wounds.

Yes,, the OJ scool of heal'd scratches. Right?


Supposedly those pictures are from a video taken pretty soon after the incident. Not only is Zimmerman quite unbloodied, but the supposedly serious wounds aren't very visible and should be in bandages.

ununcle: Keizer_Ghidorah: Still repeating that rhetoric? Here a tip: not everyone who doesn't agree with you 100% is out to get you. Calling the entire world a "mob" only shows your cowardice and fear.

I'm thinking the "mob" he refers to is the countless people that pounce on him for daring to take the side of Zimmerman.


We're not "pouncing" on 9beers for "daring to take the side of Zimmerman", we're calling him out on his hateful attitude towards Martin, his 100% absolute belief that Martin was some kind of raging demon intent on slaughter and destruction that night if he hadn't been stopped by the noble knight Zimmerman, and his constant attacking of everyone who doesn't agree with him.

ununcle: NightOwl2255: Once again with the lies. Show one post I've made that indicates that I think Zimmerman is guilty. Don't bother, you won't find one. I, unlike you, could not care less if Zimmerman is found guilty or not. But, I'm glad that there is an ongoing investigation and possibly it will go to trial. If that happens, it's up to the jury. There is one undeniably fact in this case, if Zimmerman would have continued on his way to the store, Martin would be alive and Zimmerman's life would not be a smoldering heap.

What store?


Zimmerman was on his way to the grocery store when he saw Martin and set the events of that night into motion.
 
2012-04-19 11:25:24 PM
I think Zimmerman attacked.

Well I think Martin attacked?

You can't prove that!

Well, you can't prove that!

That just proves you are wrong!

Well, that proves YOU are wrong!
 
2012-04-19 11:26:13 PM

s2s2s2: I think Zimmerman attacked.

Well I think Martin attacked.

You can't prove that!

Well, you can't prove that!

That just proves you are wrong!

Well, that proves YOU are wrong!


/meh
 
2012-04-19 11:26:55 PM

9beers: I'm not getting drawn into another thread full of retard logic, you guys have your fun. Besides, the only new piece of evidence that's been made public since the last thread is that multiple neighbors saw Zimmerman covered in bandages the day following the shooting.
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2012-04-19 11:27:53 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: keithgabryelski: popcorn, extra butter please.

hey, has anyone seen 9beers? i can't believe he hasn't posted in this thread, yet.

You mean besides all the people who are quoting him? You might need to check your ignore filter.


You might want to recalibrate your sarcasm meter. :-D
 
2012-04-19 11:28:08 PM

9beers: indylaw: Yeah. I mean, both sets of charges are essentially irrelevant, but if Zimmerman testifies, his prior assault charge is likely to come out to impeach his testimony. I can't see any set of circumstances under which Martin's school suspension is admissible, even if it were relevant, which it is not.

Yes, Zimmerman's prior run in with an officer calls his version of events into question but Martin's history of suspensions and other unsavory activity can't be used to show that he wasn't a scared little kid.

Nice try.


What I said is what the law says. Read a book, you festering ass-boil.
 
2012-04-19 11:29:01 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Supposedly those pictures are from a video taken pretty soon after the incident. Not only is Zimmerman quite unbloodied, but the supposedly serious wounds aren't very visible and should be in bandages.


Because we all know that when bandages aren't present, documented wounds disappear. No way it could be grainy video that could be used to prove either case, and has been presented to do so.

Keizer_Ghidorah: We're not "pouncing" on 9beers for "daring to take the side of Zimmerman", we're calling him out on his hateful attitude towards Martin, his 100% absolute belief that Martin was some kind of raging demon intent on slaughter and destruction that night if he hadn't been stopped by the noble knight Zimmerman, and his constant attacking of everyone who doesn't agree with him.


Yeah, he definitely cranks up the racism too much, thinking he's doing so ironically. Hipster racism, if you will.
ChuDogg has owned the fark out of the other threads tho.
 
2012-04-19 11:30:05 PM

NightOwl2255: Once again with the lies. Show one post I've made that indicates that I think Zimmerman is guilty. Don't bother, you won't find one. I, unlike you, could not care less if Zimmerman is found guilty or not. But, I'm glad that there is an ongoing investigation and possibly it will go to trial. If that happens, it's up to the jury. There is one undeniably fact in this case, if Zimmerman would have continued on his way to the store, Martin would be alive and Zimmerman's life would not be a smoldering heap.


Allow me to familiarize you with Florida's stand your ground law.

776.032Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.-

(1)A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term "criminal prosecution" includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.


Zimmerman being arrested and charged is a violation of the law. Go ahead and make the argument that the prosecutor has evidence of a crime, just try not to forget that the affidavit exists.
 
2012-04-19 11:32:02 PM

indylaw: What I said is what the law says. Read a book, you festering ass-boil.


Why would you insult an ass-boil that way? At least an ass-boil serves a purpose.
 
2012-04-19 11:41:00 PM

9beers: NightOwl2255: Once again with the lies. Show one post I've made that indicates that I think Zimmerman is guilty. Don't bother, you won't find one. I, unlike you, could not care less if Zimmerman is found guilty or not. But, I'm glad that there is an ongoing investigation and possibly it will go to trial. If that happens, it's up to the jury. There is one undeniably fact in this case, if Zimmerman would have continued on his way to the store, Martin would be alive and Zimmerman's life would not be a smoldering heap.

Allow me to familiarize you with Florida's stand your ground law.

776.032Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.-

(1)A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term "criminal prosecution" includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

Zimmerman being arrested and charged is a violation of the law. Go ahead and make the argument that the prosecutor has evidence of a crime, just try not to forget that the affidavit exists.


How was it justifiable?

When the dispatcher told him to wait and let professionals handle it?

When he approached Martin, who was unarmed, with a firearm?

Why is it Martin's fault that he was minding his own business when Zimmerman approached him? What crime was Martin committing?
 
2012-04-19 11:41:26 PM

9beers: Zimmerman being arrested and charged is a violation of the law


No, it's not.

9beers: Go ahead and make the argument that the prosecutor has evidence of a crime


I don't need to make an argument. That's the prosecutor job. And if the judge doesn't toss it, as no judge has done to this point, he'll remain charged.
 
2012-04-19 11:41:26 PM
This won't end well.
 
2012-04-19 11:44:37 PM

NightOwl2255: No, it's not.


Yes it is.
 
2012-04-19 11:51:21 PM

s2s2s2: Keizer_Ghidorah: Supposedly those pictures are from a video taken pretty soon after the incident. Not only is Zimmerman quite unbloodied, but the supposedly serious wounds aren't very visible and should be in bandages.

Because we all know that when bandages aren't present, documented wounds disappear. No way it could be grainy video that could be used to prove either case, and has been presented to do so.


I'm just looking at it from an impartial view, and the lack of blood on either his skin or his clothes, a small swelling on his nose, and the fact that the medical procedure to securely wrap head injuries isn't present looks fishy.
 
2012-04-19 11:56:50 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: and the fact that the medical procedure to securely wrap head injuries isn't present looks fishy.


Hahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
 
2012-04-20 12:05:04 AM
If only Mr. Martin had been armed I'm sure everything would have worked out differently.
 
2012-04-20 12:05:49 AM

djkutch: 9beers: NightOwl2255: Once again with the lies. Show one post I've made that indicates that I think Zimmerman is guilty. Don't bother, you won't find one. I, unlike you, could not care less if Zimmerman is found guilty or not. But, I'm glad that there is an ongoing investigation and possibly it will go to trial. If that happens, it's up to the jury. There is one undeniably fact in this case, if Zimmerman would have continued on his way to the store, Martin would be alive and Zimmerman's life would not be a smoldering heap.

Allow me to familiarize you with Florida's stand your ground law.

776.032Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.-

(1)A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term "criminal prosecution" includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

Zimmerman being arrested and charged is a violation of the law. Go ahead and make the argument that the prosecutor has evidence of a crime, just try not to forget that the affidavit exists.

How was it justifiable?

When the dispatcher told him to wait and let professionals handle it?

When he approached Martin, who was unarmed, with a firearm?

Why is it Martin's fault that he was minding his own business when Zimmerman approached him? What crime was Martin committing?


Four counts of being a n***** on a sunny day. But thanks to the Fairness in Weather Act, you can be charged with this even on rainy days.
 
2012-04-20 12:06:08 AM

9beers: NightOwl2255: No, it's not.

Yes it is.


I thought you left. Dang son, can't take you on your word.
 
2012-04-20 12:06:10 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: I'm just looking at it from an impartial view, and the lack of blood on either his skin or his clothes, a small swelling on his nose, and the fact that the medical procedure to securely wrap head injuries isn't present looks fishy.


...Almost like Zimmerman was a giant pussy who used lethal force at the first sign of trouble instead of a more reasonable option.
 
2012-04-20 12:09:56 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: s2s2s2: Keizer_Ghidorah: Supposedly those pictures are from a video taken pretty soon after the incident. Not only is Zimmerman quite unbloodied, but the supposedly serious wounds aren't very visible and should be in bandages.

Because we all know that when bandages aren't present, documented wounds disappear. No way it could be grainy video that could be used to prove either case, and has been presented to do so.

I'm just looking at it from an impartial view, and the lack of blood on either his skin or his clothes, a small swelling on his nose, and the fact that the medical procedure to securely wrap head injuries isn't present looks fishy.


If you want to, it is easy to come up with a very credible reason for any one of those. If you don't, it still won't have any effect on the case. I started ready to convict, but as information came out, then changed meaning, I decided being ready to end a second life out frustration, wasn't a good look.
 
2012-04-20 12:18:56 AM
I just cracked open a pack of sour Skittles. Just thought you might want to know.
 
2012-04-20 12:19:01 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: s2s2s2: Keizer_Ghidorah: Supposedly those pictures are from a video taken pretty soon after the incident. Not only is Zimmerman quite unbloodied, but the supposedly serious wounds aren't very visible and should be in bandages.

Because we all know that when bandages aren't present, documented wounds disappear. No way it could be grainy video that could be used to prove either case, and has been presented to do so.

I'm just looking at it from an impartial view, and the lack of blood on either his skin or his clothes, a small swelling on his nose, and the fact that the medical procedure to securely wrap head injuries isn't present looks fishy.


Hey, people who have their nose broken and their head repeatedly slammed against concrete FREQUENTLY only have a bump on the head, next to no visible bloodstains, and are sent on their way with a fond pat on the head by paramedics.
 
2012-04-20 12:22:17 AM

TheAnalogKid: i wonder why there isn't an outcry of people questioning the lack of an actual police investigation?


Yeah, there's been no outcry about that at all. None whatsoever.
 
2012-04-20 12:22:47 AM

LordJiro: Keizer_Ghidorah: s2s2s2: Keizer_Ghidorah: Supposedly those pictures are from a video taken pretty soon after the incident. Not only is Zimmerman quite unbloodied, but the supposedly serious wounds aren't very visible and should be in bandages.

Because we all know that when bandages aren't present, documented wounds disappear. No way it could be grainy video that could be used to prove either case, and has been presented to do so.

I'm just looking at it from an impartial view, and the lack of blood on either his skin or his clothes, a small swelling on his nose, and the fact that the medical procedure to securely wrap head injuries isn't present looks fishy.

Hey, people who have their nose broken and their head repeatedly slammed against concrete FREQUENTLY only have a bump on the head, next to no visible bloodstains, and are sent on their way with a fond pat on the head by paramedics.


And still others bear no externally visible damage, are sent home, and die from brain trauma.
 
2012-04-20 12:28:14 AM

s2s2s2: LordJiro: Keizer_Ghidorah: s2s2s2: Keizer_Ghidorah: Supposedly those pictures are from a video taken pretty soon after the incident. Not only is Zimmerman quite unbloodied, but the supposedly serious wounds aren't very visible and should be in bandages.

Because we all know that when bandages aren't present, documented wounds disappear. No way it could be grainy video that could be used to prove either case, and has been presented to do so.

I'm just looking at it from an impartial view, and the lack of blood on either his skin or his clothes, a small swelling on his nose, and the fact that the medical procedure to securely wrap head injuries isn't present looks fishy.

Hey, people who have their nose broken and their head repeatedly slammed against concrete FREQUENTLY only have a bump on the head, next to no visible bloodstains, and are sent on their way with a fond pat on the head by paramedics.

And still others bear no externally visible damage, are sent home, and die from brain trauma.


Which is why one would suspect, if there was any indication of repeated head-bashing (rather than just a bump on the head), that the paramedics would send him to the hospital to *avoid* that sort of thing.
 
2012-04-20 12:48:40 AM
If 9 beers is not in this thread, I'm going to poop in the office dual-stall crapper and not flush.

/still stands
 
2012-04-20 12:49:32 AM
Zimmerman being arrested and charged is a violation of the law. Go ahead and make the argument that the prosecutor has evidence of a crime, just try not to forget that the affidavit exists.

But it has not been established that Zimmerman and Not Martin were "standing their ground!" thus it is not a violation of the law to arrest him and charge him. That is where your assumptions go wrong. If you look up "Assault" under Florida Statues it can be reasonably argued that Zimmermans actions constituted Assault on Martin, since Martin had committed no criminal act, was in the process of trying to flee Zimmerman and return to the residence he was staying at he had also told his girlfriend via the phone that he was apprehensive about the stranger following him. Additionally other than Zimmermans Statement there has been no proof thta Martin was the aggressor, the witnesses did not see the start of the fight, they only stated that they saw Zimmerman and Martin fighting; nor have any witnesses confirmed Zimmerman was attacked as he was returning to his truck, this has only been claimed by Zimmerman and his family. Without confirmation of Martin being the aggressor, Zimmermans claimed injuries do not offer proof of his being the victim but only that he cannot fight.

You also have the question of if Martin was straddling Zimmerman as claimed then how was Zimmerman able to reach his pistol, unless he had already drawn it?

Have someone of Martins size straddle you and start to slap your face to simulate the described attack, then try to reach your pistol in all of the places one would carry, you will be surprised how unreachable the pistol is.

Here is what I think happened:

Zimmerman spots a stranger and based on his "look" profiles him as a criminal
Zimmerman calls 911
Zimmerman follows Martin
Martin gets scared and cuts through a common area
Zimmerman get out and pursues the "criminal"- he has to be a criminal he is running
Zimmerman loses sight of Martin
Zimmerman or Martin rounds a corner and they meet Face to Face
Due to words exchanged or Zimmermans body language, Martin fearing for his Safety Stands His Ground and hits Zimmerman
Zimmerman panics realizing that this is not going the way he imagined it would in his heroic fantasy and draws his pistol
Martin seeing the gun starts to grapple with Zimmerman taking him to the ground fighting harder to neutralize the threat
Zimmerman shoots Martin and justifies it by claiming self defense

While this scenario involves a lot of speculation it involves no less than what has been put out there to make Martin the aggressor and justify Zimmermans actions. I am betting the prosecutor has evidence- based on her charging him- to show that this or something similar occurred.

Based on my training and experience, Zimmermans story and actions do not pass the smell test.
 
2012-04-20 12:56:02 AM

Azlefty: Based on my training and experience, Zimmermans story and actions do not pass the smell test.


You done making shiat up?
 
2012-04-20 12:58:20 AM

Azlefty: Zimmerman being arrested and charged is a violation of the law. Go ahead and make the argument that the prosecutor has evidence of a crime, just try not to forget that the affidavit exists.

But it has not been established that Zimmerman and Not Martin were "standing their ground!" thus it is not a violation of the law to arrest him and charge him. That is where your assumptions go wrong. If you look up "Assault" under Florida Statues it can be reasonably argued that Zimmermans actions constituted Assault on Martin, since Martin had committed no criminal act, was in the process of trying to flee Zimmerman and return to the residence he was staying at he had also told his girlfriend via the phone that he was apprehensive about the stranger following him. Additionally other than Zimmermans Statement there has been no proof thta Martin was the aggressor, the witnesses did not see the start of the fight, they only stated that they saw Zimmerman and Martin fighting; nor have any witnesses confirmed Zimmerman was attacked as he was returning to his truck, this has only been claimed by Zimmerman and his family. Without confirmation of Martin being the aggressor, Zimmermans claimed injuries do not offer proof of his being the victim but only that he cannot fight.

You also have the question of if Martin was straddling Zimmerman as claimed then how was Zimmerman able to reach his pistol, unless he had already drawn it?

Have someone of Martins size straddle you and start to slap your face to simulate the described attack, then try to reach your pistol in all of the places one would carry, you will be surprised how unreachable the pistol is.

Here is what I think happened:

Zimmerman spots a stranger and based on his "look" profiles him as a criminal
Zimmerman calls 911
Zimmerman follows Martin
Martin gets scared and cuts through a common area
Zimmerman get out and pursues the "criminal"- he has to be a criminal he is running
Zimmerman loses ...


You know this fark right..? This is not the place for coherent, well-reasoned posts.
 
2012-04-20 01:07:25 AM
ahh. SOP pooping it is.
 
2012-04-20 01:12:41 AM

9beers: Azlefty: Based on my training and experience, Zimmermans story and actions do not pass the smell test.

You done making shiat up?


Only 9beers is allowed to make shiat up!
 
2012-04-20 01:15:06 AM

spamdog: Only 9beers is allowed to make shiat up!


Keep pretending I'm not citing facts, I find it amusing.
 
2012-04-20 01:17:29 AM

9beers: spamdog: Only 9beers is allowed to make shiat up!

Keep pretending I'm not citing facts, I find it amusing.


Keep pretending you're not speculating as much as anyone else, if not moreso.
 
2012-04-20 01:17:54 AM

9beers: Keep pretending I'm not citing facts, I find it amusing.


Also, only 9beers' opinions can be called facts.
 
2012-04-20 01:24:15 AM

spamdog: 9beers: Keep pretending I'm not citing facts, I find it amusing.

Also, only 9beers' opinions can be called facts.


I heard 9beers is one of Billy Carter's failed recipes.
 
2012-04-20 01:33:43 AM
Well mob, this thread is done, lets see if you can have some facts for the next thread.
 
2012-04-20 01:34:59 AM
I wonder if s2 is going to lose his privileges at the ZImmerman club for accidently pointing out how stupid the head injury argument is
 
2012-04-20 01:36:54 AM

9beers: Well mob, this thread is done, lets see if you can have some facts let me convince you that my and only my opinions alone can be considered "facts"for the next thread.


FTFY ;)
 
2012-04-20 01:41:26 AM

Azlefty: Due to words exchanged or Zimmermans body language, Martin fearing for his Safety Stands His Ground and hits Zimmerman


If it's ever established that your scenario is correct and Martin was the first to initiate physical contact, Zimmerman will walk for sure.
 
2012-04-20 02:01:36 AM
I find it hard to believe that his lawyer would let him talk to Martin's parents..

/But easy to believe that 9beers is still lying and trolling.
 
2012-04-20 02:03:55 AM

karmaceutical: fuhfuhfuh: Both of the big sides of this whole issue have convinced themselves that any outcome contrary to their desired outcome is evidence of grave injustice. There will be cries of foul and possible riots, regardless of the outcome.


So if Zimmy is convicted who is going to riot on his "side?" The Klan?


Retards who are convinced that it is some sort of railroading. But hey, let everyone keep thinking they are on the non-retarded, non-violent "right side" of the issue. Anyone coming to the table with a bias one way or the other proves what a retarded douchebag they are. Just look at retards in this very thread convinced that their version of events postulated on partial evidence and their own bias makes them right and everyone else wrong.

Also, love the implication that only one side will riot or start shiat. To people like me, both sides are acting like animals, and both sides have the full capability and willingness to raise hell if they don't get their way. Just know that your "enemy" thinks exactly the same way about you as you do about them.
 
2012-04-20 02:28:20 AM

9beers: Well mob, this thread is done, lets see if you can have some facts for the next thread.


No one in this thread, you included, has any facts, Unless you have access to actual physical evidence, you're just speculating like everyone else on the thread. Your version of what really happened is not any more accurate than anyone else's version, on this or any of the other Zimmerman/Martin threads.

So, unless you have actual proof to back up what you're saying, give it a f*cking rest.
 
2012-04-20 02:28:52 AM
So I have a question for any lawyerin' types in the thread. In the case of a justifiable homicide (i.e. self-defense) what has to be proven by whom? Is it up to the prosecution to prove that the self-defense claim is bogus, or is it up to the defense to prove that the killing was justified? Nobody's claiming that Zimmerman didn't shoot Martin, so is a killing assumed to be unlawful unless the defense can demonstrate that it was justified?

I'm just unclear on whether the presumption of innocence applies here. They didn't really go over this when I got my GED in law.
 
2012-04-20 02:31:33 AM
Based on just today's threads, there are going to be some interesting Halloween costumes this year: Zimmerman, Trayvon, Colombian hooker, super ironic hipster-douche, trans-vaginal probe ...
 
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