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2012-04-19 04:55:41 PM

Mrtraveler01: eraser8: You seem to be trolling

Look at the date he made his account.


Ah.

I should do that more often.
 
2012-04-19 04:56:55 PM

philotech: Let's split the difference and say that it occurred midway between the car and the point where he lost sight of Martin and began walking back to the car. The point in case you missed it was that at a certain point Martin started following Zimmerman back to his car. Both are douches.


Actually, that's not what happened at all. Martin was hiding after Zimmerman told 9/11 he "lost" him. On his way back to his car he accidentally stumbled upon Martin's hiding spot. Like any cornered animal, Martin predictably fought back. He didn't follow Zimmerman at all, he was just unable to run anymore.
 
2012-04-19 04:57:28 PM

9beers: djkutch: Then, why is he charged with second degree murder?

Because it locks a pair of vise-grips on my little pee-pee


 
2012-04-19 04:58:58 PM

eraser8: Mrtraveler01: eraser8: You seem to be trolling

Look at the date he made his account.

Ah.

I should do that more often.


I've spent enough time on the Politics tab to check that anytime I see someone derping right out of the gate like that.
 
2012-04-19 04:59:17 PM

Mrtraveler01: What we're all forgetting is who is really being persecuted with this story:

White People.

We have it so tough in this country.

/sarcasm


This guy is white?

cdn2.dailycaller.com

/I forgot, this isn't a debate about immigration, my bad
 
2012-04-19 05:00:04 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: 2 grams: Actually he called the police (not necessarly "911") 46 times over a perioid of 8 years. that's about 6 times a year. If you are the head of the neighborhood watch, then isnt' no so crazy as what you just posted, ist it?

It is if no one appointed you to the position. The reports I've heard state that Zimmerman simply assumed that role on his own.


In case anyone is curious, here is a summary of the 46 calls Zimmerman made to the police since 2004.

Looks like he started out calling 911 for everything from a stray dog to an open garage door, before someone redirected him to call the non-emergency number.
 
2012-04-19 05:00:26 PM

Oznog: [ words ]




Draw.
 
2012-04-19 05:02:30 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: And there are eyewitnesses who contradict that claim. But, of course, we don't listen to those eyewitnesses, do we?


There's one eyewitness that saw the fight. There's also an eyewitness that saw silhouettes of two people fighting but has no idea who was who. There are no other eyewitnesses, please get your facts straight.

Some 'Splainin' To Do: Which, apparently, simply took Zimmerman on his word. 90% of the controversy in this case is because it's pretty damned apparent that the police did not do their job.


The police report confirms the wounds that Zimmerman suffered. There was also a two week investigation so stop saying it's apparent that the police weren't doing their job. A lack of charges doesn't mean that they weren't doing their job.

Some 'Splainin' To Do: I'm calling BS. There are no records of Zimmerman going to a hospital. Put up or shut up.


He was treated on the scene by paramedics.

Some 'Splainin' To Do: You're talking about the ambiguous freeze-frame that NBC claimed that they "enhanced", right? Once again, if Zimmerman's claims that he was severely beaten are true, why didn't he go to the hospital?


Or maybe I"m talking about the higher resolution copy of the tape showing Zimmerman at the police station.

Some 'Splainin' To Do: And every person who's ever brought a neck brace to a lawsuit was suffering a neck injury. Are you for real?


So the day after being released without charges, Zimmerman started wearing bandages on non-existent injuries to further his story even though officers and paramedics can confirm those injuries?

Some 'Splainin' To Do: I also love the fact that you assume that, if there was a fight, that the black kid started it and not the self-appointed "watch" guy who was playing vigilante.


Zimmerman doesn't have to prove that he didn't start the fight and even if there was evidence that he did, he can still argue that he was defending himself under the SYG law.

You can offer up some facts to back up your belief that a crime was committed that night, can't you? Go ahead, I'll give you another chance.

Yep I came back, just can't stay away while people try passing off bullshiat as facts.
 
2012-04-19 05:02:30 PM

beta_plus: Mrtraveler01: What we're all forgetting is who is really being persecuted with this story:

White People.

We have it so tough in this country.

/sarcasm

This guy is white?

[cdn2.dailycaller.com image 640x400]

/I forgot, this isn't a debate about immigration, my bad


No, he's a White Hispanic.

But that hasn't stopped people from biatching that white people are being persecuted or some nonsense.

/You know there's a cream for all that butthurt you're having right now
 
2012-04-19 05:03:15 PM
I have a question for the people that post in these trayvon threads so frequently and vehemently (on EITHER side) How are you soooooo sure your view on this tragedy is the correct one? I mean seriously, the water has been so muddied by the MSM, and LE hasnt released any new details. So really, how do you KNOW what happened?


/seriously
//are you psychic?
 
2012-04-19 05:05:49 PM

9beers: There's one eyewitness that saw the fight


But didn't see who started it. So that means that Martin started the fight...or something.


9beers: Zimmerman doesn't have to prove that he didn't start the fight and even if there was evidence that he did, he can still argue that he was defending himself under the SYG law.


So I can start a bar fight with someone and then shoot the guy if I end up on the losing end of the fight and he's beating me into a bloody pulp?

Awesome! My next trip to Florida is going to be soooo much fun!
 
2012-04-19 05:06:21 PM

9beers: Zimmerman doesn't have to prove that he didn't start the fight


Um...right. You have to prove that Martin started the fight.

Which you can't.

Because your eyewitness didn't see the start of the fight.
 
2012-04-19 05:06:22 PM

eraser8: You seem to be trolling...but, in case you're not: what's your point?


Excuse me? I'm relaying information on what I watched on television. There are apparently legal experts who have the opinion that the prosecutor was wrong for filing charges in this case. I'm sitting here stunned that somebody would accuse me of trolling. Are you being serious?
 
2012-04-19 05:07:48 PM

eviljimbo: I have a question for the people that post in these trayvon threads so frequently and vehemently (on EITHER side) How are you soooooo sure your view on this tragedy is the correct one? I mean seriously, the water has been so muddied by the MSM, and LE hasnt released any new details. So really, how do you KNOW what happened?


/seriously
//are you psychic?


The thing that bugs me with this case is that I think it should've been viewed a bit more scrutiny when you're talking about shooting someone in self-defense.

Just saying you killed that person in self-defense shouldn't allow you to get away with it scott-free.
 
2012-04-19 05:07:59 PM

9beers: Yep I came back, just can't stay away while people try passing off bullshiat as facts.


i939.photobucket.com
 
2012-04-19 05:08:10 PM
Just a tip to the family: it will be cold, so wear a hoodie, bring a snack.
 
2012-04-19 05:08:18 PM

eraser8: netweavr: What happens when a prosecutor doesn't think there's enough evidence to justify charging someone but public opinion demands it anyways?

It's the prosecutor's responsibility to act in accordance with law, public opinion notwithstanding.

Claiming that the prosecutor is acting politically is an extremely serious charge. It shouldn't be made lightly; it shouldn't be made without evidence.


------

You know what's an extremely serious charge? Second degree murder is a very serious charge.

When you do that, the charging instrument should clearly state the factual basis for it.

In this case, the special prosecutor's charging instrument is ridiculously vague and conclusory at the points where it should have been specific.

Paragraph 9 simply says, "Zimmerman confronted Martin and a scuffle ensued." That's it.

The prosecutor had to gloss over the ALL-IMPORTANT facts about how the "scuffle ensued" with nothing more than hand-waving.

That demonstrates that the prosecutor simply did not have the evidence for a murder charge.

This whole case ought to be tossed out.
 
2012-04-19 05:08:59 PM

eraser8: netweavr: eraser8: netweavr: What happens when a prosecutor doesn't think there's enough evidence to justify charging someone but public opinion demands it anyways?

It's the prosecutor's responsibility to act in accordance with law, public opinion notwithstanding.

Claiming that the prosecutor is acting politically is an extremely serious charge. It shouldn't be made lightly; it shouldn't be made without evidence.

Made by who?

Really?


I'm wondering if you're being unreasonable or not. This is a thread basically devoted to accusations without evidence.
 
2012-04-19 05:09:45 PM

Mrtraveler01: So I can start a bar fight with someone and then shoot the guy if I end up on the losing end of the fight and he's beating me into a bloody pulp?


I hadn't bothered reading Florida's SYG law until today, but yes, that's exactly what it says. The aggressor in a fight can use deadly force if they believe they are in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm.
 
2012-04-19 05:10:05 PM

Mrtraveler01: eviljimbo: I have a question for the people that post in these trayvon threads so frequently and vehemently (on EITHER side) How are you soooooo sure your view on this tragedy is the correct one? I mean seriously, the water has been so muddied by the MSM, and LE hasnt released any new details. So really, how do you KNOW what happened?


/seriously
//are you psychic?

The thing that bugs me with this case is that I think it should've been viewed a bit more scrutiny when you're talking about shooting someone in self-defense.

Just saying you killed that person in self-defense shouldn't allow you to get away with it scott-free.


I have every right to follow you into a dark alley, and if you turn and ask me what the hell I'm doing I'm going to self defense you in the face, motherfarker.
 
2012-04-19 05:12:03 PM

ph0rk: Mrtraveler01: eviljimbo: I have a question for the people that post in these trayvon threads so frequently and vehemently (on EITHER side) How are you soooooo sure your view on this tragedy is the correct one? I mean seriously, the water has been so muddied by the MSM, and LE hasnt released any new details. So really, how do you KNOW what happened?


/seriously
//are you psychic?

The thing that bugs me with this case is that I think it should've been viewed a bit more scrutiny when you're talking about shooting someone in self-defense.

Just saying you killed that person in self-defense shouldn't allow you to get away with it scott-free.

I have every right to follow you into a dark alley, and if you turn and ask me what the hell I'm doing I'm going to self defense you in the face, motherfarker.


Well that does it then...I'm staying away from alleys.
 
2012-04-19 05:13:21 PM

eraser8: netweavr: What happens when a prosecutor doesn't think there's enough evidence to justify charging someone but public opinion demands it anyways?

It's the prosecutor's responsibility to act in accordance with law, public opinion notwithstanding.

Claiming that the prosecutor is acting politically is an extremely serious charge. It shouldn't be made lightly; it shouldn't be made without evidence.


I think getting your ass reamed by the New Black Panthers on another earlier case, which what happened to Angela Corey, is pretty good evidence she acted not in accordance with law. She was pandering to the Black Panthers and the other Black Racist groups because she is trying to convict a 12 yr old Black Hispanic kid as an adult
 
2012-04-19 05:14:43 PM

Mrtraveler01: The thing that bugs me with this case is that I think it should've been viewed a bit more scrutiny when you're talking about shooting someone in self-defense.

Just saying you killed that person in self-defense shouldn't allow you to get away with it scott-free.


I'm sure that if a person is killed by somebody claiming self defense and the officers show up not finding any evidence to support the claim, that person is going to be arrested on the spot.
 
2012-04-19 05:15:28 PM

9beers: There's one eyewitness that saw the fight. There's also an eyewitness that saw silhouettes of two people fighting but has no idea who was who. There are no other eyewitnesses, please get your facts straight.


The only eyewitness to the crime that said they saw anything to that effect has recanted their statement.
 
2012-04-19 05:17:08 PM
Duke Lacrosse Team
 
2012-04-19 05:17:32 PM

Mrtraveler01: beta_plus: Mrtraveler01: What we're all forgetting is who is really being persecuted with this story:

White People.

We have it so tough in this country.

/sarcasm

This guy is white?

[cdn2.dailycaller.com image 640x400]

/I forgot, this isn't a debate about immigration, my bad

No, he's a White Hispanic.

But that hasn't stopped people from biatching that white people are being persecuted or some nonsense.

/You know there's a cream for all that butthurt you're having right now


White Hispanic??? Yeah, whatever. Keep saying that to yourself.

Careful, your butthurt from having the race card blow up in your face is showing.
 
2012-04-19 05:17:55 PM

Digital Communist: user68: Seeing those enhanced photos from the police station and comparing it to his mugshot, it's apparent that he suffered a broken nose that night.

You realize what a broken nose is, correct? It doesn't go away with some kleenex dabs. There would be a medical report about it and it's easy to tell after the fact that it was broken and how long ago. In other word, he had no broken nose.

Also, people with broken noses almost always get black eyes and red sclera that make them look way worse than they are. We've yet to see any pictures of Zimmerman like that.


I'm glad I'm not the only one underwhelmed by that "evidence".
 
2012-04-19 05:17:56 PM

Sapper_Topo: Zimmerman: Im really sorry I shot and Killed your son.

Martins Parents: 0_o

Zimmerman: I mean I really do apologize I assure you I felt threatened.

Martins Parents: 0_o

Zimmerman: Do you think you can find it in your heart to forgive me? I am asking purely on the principle of forgiveness found in Matthew 18?

Martins Parents: fark You!


Zimmerman: well, suck my dick then.
 
2012-04-19 05:18:30 PM
If someone pulled a gun and tried to shoot me I would most definitely try to to injure him. Whose to say that Zimmerman didn't approach him with gun drawn and Martin, acting in self defense, tried to kick and punch him away causing injury to Zimmerman as a result. The scuffle could have been to try to take away the gun or negate it somehow.

And if his injuries were that bad, he would have been in the hospital that night having his nose reset.

/firmly believes Zimmerman approached him with gun drawn and cocked.
 
2012-04-19 05:18:59 PM

WhoIsWillo: 9beers: There's one eyewitness that saw the fight. There's also an eyewitness that saw silhouettes of two people fighting but has no idea who was who. There are no other eyewitnesses, please get your facts straight.

The only eyewitness to the crime that said they saw anything to that effect has recanted their statement.


Ooh, really? When did thais happen.
 
2012-04-19 05:19:58 PM
I'm revolted by the fact that this prosecutor began her meeting with the family by "praying together."

At the press conference, the prosecutor made quite a few grossly inappropriate statements about seeking "justice for Trayvon" and how she represents the victim and the victim's family, etc.

There are several major problems with this behavior.

First, the mother is a witness. They used the mother's statement regarding the identity of the person heard calling for help on a recorded phone call as evidence in the probable cause affidavit. The prosecutor is, in one breath, talking about representing the mother's interests, and in another relying on her as a supposedly reliable, credible witness, to whom a prosecutor should be neutral. Clearly, she can't be both.

Second, prosecutors do not represent victims. They represent the state.

Third, praying with them? Really?

This special prosecutor, Angela Corey, is an embarrassment.
 
2012-04-19 05:21:51 PM

beta_plus: Careful, your butthurt from having the race card blow up in your face is showing.


Who's butthurt?
 
2012-04-19 05:21:55 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Um...right. You have to prove that Martin started the fight.


No you don't. You're wrong and you know that.

WhoIsWillo: The only eyewitness to the crime that said they saw anything to that effect has recanted their statement.


LOL I can't wait to hear this one. The one eyewitness, John, has given one interview to a local news station. Statements like yours show just how little you know about the facts of the case.
 
2012-04-19 05:22:39 PM

9beers: No you don't. You're wrong and you know that


No, I'm not wrong. You can't claim you're defending yourself if you are the one who initiated the conversation.
 
2012-04-19 05:22:43 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Ooh, really? When did thais happen.


It didn't, like yourself, this dude has no idea what he's talking about.
 
2012-04-19 05:22:50 PM
You got to love 9beers logic.

How do we know Martin was acting suspicious? Because if he wasn't Zimmerman would not have followed him.

How do we know Martin attacked Zimmerman? Because Martin was a violent thug.

END OF STORY!

FREE ZIMMERMAN!!!!

Hell, we should dig Martin up, give him a nice fair trial and then hang his body Mussolini style. Right 9beers?
 
2012-04-19 05:23:46 PM

cameroncrazy1984: No, I'm not wrong. You can't claim you're defending yourself if you are the one who initiated the conversation.


So after all this time, you still haven't taken 2 minutes to read Florida's stand your ground law. That's really quite sad. Do me a favor, go read it and get back with me.
 
2012-04-19 05:25:14 PM

eviljimbo: I have a question for the people that post in these trayvon threads so frequently and vehemently (on EITHER side) How are you soooooo sure your view on this tragedy is the correct one? I mean seriously, the water has been so muddied by the MSM, and LE hasnt released any new details. So really, how do you KNOW what happened?


/seriously
//are you psychic?



They don't.

What they do show is how they think. Not necessary the reason why they think that way, but they do expose their biases and thought processes.
 
2012-04-19 05:26:10 PM

9beers: So after all this time, you still haven't taken 2 minutes to read Florida's stand your ground law.


The one that says the burden of proof is on the defendant to prove that he had to shoot him in self-defense?

Hebert says the defense team will argue that Zimmerman deserves immunity from the charges because he was acting in self defense.

But former prosecutor Anthony Rickman says the burden in a Stand your Ground case is on the defense.

The defense must prove three things to a judge:

1) First, did Zimmerman had a right to be there? Rickman says the 911 calls could be key evidence.

"We hear the dispatcher tell him, 'we don't need you to follow him anymore.' Basically, turn around and go away. And what the prosecution is going to argue, in my opinion, once they told him to turn around not to follow him anymore, he had no right to follow him, no right to be there," he said.

"I think he couldn't have retreated," Herbert said. I think he He was on his back, and he was in a position where he had to defend himself."

2) The second point the defense must prove is that Zimmerman was attacked.

3) They have to prove he was in imminent fear of injury or death.

The prosecution may argue what amounts to this:

"Basically, can you bring a firearm to a fist fight?" Rickman asked. "Is him being beat up with a fist, does that justify him taking out a firearm and shooting somebody?"


Link
 
2012-04-19 05:26:46 PM

cameroncrazy1984: 9beers: No you don't. You're wrong and you know that

No, I'm not wrong. You can't claim you're defending yourself if you are the one who initiated the conversation.


And by that I mean confrontation.
 
2012-04-19 05:28:15 PM

eviljimbo: I have a question for the people that post in these trayvon threads so frequently and vehemently (on EITHER side) How are you soooooo sure your view on this tragedy is the correct one? I mean seriously, the water has been so muddied by the MSM, and LE hasnt released any new details. So really, how do you KNOW what happened?


/seriously
//are you psychic?


I live here...same county as Zimmerman

I have worked with people working on this case. They are not the racists and bigots Black Racists like Al Sharpton, or the shyster attorneys Martin's parents have hired.

Seminole County is a nice place to live, outside of the Sanford ghetto areas. The demographic makeup of the county will help Zimmerman's defense...and may be the real reason why all the Black Racists are whining "racism".

The mainstream media HAS DELIBERATELY LIED in its reporting...especially deliberately editing (yes it was deliberate) of the 9/11 tape to make Zimmerman look like a racist. NBC is going to be popped big time by Zims lawyers....

And other lies.....

- Claiming Zim was never arrested...when in fact HE WAS ARRESTED within an hour of the shooting. When police handcuff you, put you in the police car, and take you to the station....that is an ARREST. Any lawyer who claimed Zim was "never arrested" before last week needs to be DISBARRED....including the Martin lawyers

- The repeated lying of Trayvon Martin's background...showing photos of him when he was younger...never mentioning he was suspended three times from school (and those incidents had to be reported to police...he has a juvenile criminal record). In fact, the Martin lawyers did this same stunt a few years earlier in another case where a juvenile deliquent black kid died in a state boot camp.

- The refusal to list Zimmerman as a "Hispanic"...because the Black Racists and their White Guilt Liberal supporters know they will have problems playing the race card with a Hispanic. The NY Times still calls Zim a "White Hispanic"

There is more....but the fact is: I trust myself before I would trust Al Sharpton. You have to be Moron Derpcon 5 to believe Sharpton
 
2012-04-19 05:28:17 PM

9beers: LOL I can't wait to hear this one. The one eyewitness, John, has given one interview to a local news station. Statements like yours show just how little you know about the facts of the case


In that interview, did he state that he saw the start of the fight?

Your misunderstanding of the Stand Your Ground law is amazing. It doesn't state that it's ok to kill someone as long as there's a fight involved.
 
2012-04-19 05:29:22 PM

Mrtraveler01: beta_plus: Careful, your butthurt from having the race card blow up in your face is showing.

Who's butthurt?


Awww, all you have left is responding with a question to try and duck because you know you screwed up. You heard "Zimmerman" and thought "yeah, finally, evil white guy! More free stuff from the government by smearing my opponents as racists! This will be a slam dunk with my trusty race card". OOOPS!

You libs really need to work on your facebook and GIS-Fu.

Saying that this is the picture of a 17 year old teenager didn't help your cause either:

www.thegrio.com

/remember thinking "damn, did that kid have a hormonal problem" when the story first broke nationally
 
2012-04-19 05:29:30 PM
oi43.tinypic.com
 
2012-04-19 05:30:30 PM

NightOwl2255: How do we know Martin attacked Zimmerman?


Actually we know given the direction Martin was walking, where Zimmerman left his vehicle and the location of the home where Martin was staying. Given that Zimmerman reports losing site of Martin while staying on the phone for an additional minute, Martin would have arrived home even if he had stopped running and walked the rest of the way.

Can that be 100% proven? Of course not. Can you prove it didn't happen that way? Nope.

Prove that Zimmerman's story isn't true or he walks, why is that so hard for you to understand?
 
2012-04-19 05:31:44 PM

beta_plus: Awww, all you have left is responding with a question to try and duck because you know you screwed up. You heard "Zimmerman" and thought "yeah, finally, evil white guy! More free stuff from the government by smearing my opponents as racists! This will be a slam dunk with my trusty race card". OOOPS!


Wow...it must be sad to live in constant paranoia like that.

I'm just laughing and shaking my head at you right now.
 
2012-04-19 05:32:01 PM
I have a feeling the proposed meeting would be shorter than TFA.
 
2012-04-19 05:32:40 PM

Mixolydian Master: [oi43.tinypic.com image 531x413]



I don't have anyone on ignore.

Sticking your fingers in your ears and chanting "La la la la la" is for children.

I just stop reading their posts when they lose credibility. But on occasion they might have a good point. Case by case thing.
 
2012-04-19 05:34:01 PM

9beers: Actually we know given the direction Martin was walking, where Zimmerman left his vehicle and the location of the home where Martin was staying.


None of that has anything to do with where the altercation took place. Zimmerman stated he was checking a roadsign. Then why were they way off the road?
 
2012-04-19 05:34:22 PM

FarkinHostile: Mixolydian Master: [oi43.tinypic.com image 531x413]


I don't have anyone on ignore.

Sticking your fingers in your ears and chanting "La la la la la" is for children.

I just stop reading their posts when they lose credibility. But on occasion they might have a good point. Case by case thing.


I like to mock and sometimes troll the trolls myself. It's fun to see how riled up they get when you see that they can't handle what they're dishing to others.
 
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