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(Talking Points Memo)   George Zimmerman wants a private meeting with the parents of Trayvon Martin. Preferably in a dark alley on a cool, rainy day   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 551
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2012-04-19 03:19:13 PM  

Weaver95: I still don't understand why you think Zimmerman is innocent. nothing in the evidence says Martin was doing anything wrong.


I keep looking for an alternate explanation...but the Venn diagram of the Zimmerman-fan-club and the black-guy-is-always-wrong club seems to be a nearly perfect circle.
 
2012-04-19 03:19:38 PM  

keithgabryelski: popcorn, extra butter please.

hey, has anyone seen 9beers? i can't believe he hasn't posted in this thread, yet.


You mean besides all the people who are quoting him? You might need to check your ignore filter.
 
2012-04-19 03:20:00 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: No, I'm saying that it does not follow that Martin attacked just because Zimmerman has injuries.

You know. Logic.



So we have an eyewitness that sees Zimmerman being assaulted followed by the police arriving minutes later and seeing Zimmerman bleeding from the nose and the back of his head and you claim you're using logic?

Nice.
 
2012-04-19 03:20:32 PM  
Based on his crime and the way he has been handling it afterwards he seems like a control freak kinda guy...
 
2012-04-19 03:22:01 PM  

9beers: cameroncrazy1984: No, I'm saying that it does not follow that Martin attacked just because Zimmerman has injuries.

You know. Logic.


So we have an eyewitness that sees Zimmerman being assaulted followed by the police arriving minutes later and seeing Zimmerman bleeding from the nose and the back of his head and you claim you're using logic?

Nice.


Who is the eywitness and did he see the entire altercation? Or did he see Zimmerman and Martin already in the altercation?
 
2012-04-19 03:25:01 PM  
I'm not getting drawn into another thread full of retard logic, you guys have your fun. Besides, the only new piece of evidence that's been made public since the last thread is that multiple neighbors saw Zimmerman covered in bandages the day following the shooting.

Have fun mob, don't forget the pitchforks.
 
2012-04-19 03:25:15 PM  

I_C_Weener: [i586.photobucket.com image 497x749]


A neat picture I guess but how does that happen.

1:"Hey guys, hear me out. How about we make a crime scene chalk outline made out of skittles, then we'll stand around it looking solemn and introspective, and then Frank, yeah, we're gonna ned you to take a picture of it, and print it far and wide on the internet."

2:???

3:Profit?

What does this even mean? Who are they trying to reach, and what is the message? We're sad a kid was unnecessarily killed? Well, duh. Who is for it?
 
2012-04-19 03:25:16 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: keithgabryelski: popcorn, extra butter please.

hey, has anyone seen 9beers? i can't believe he hasn't posted in this thread, yet.

You mean besides all the people who are quoting him? You might need to check your ignore filter.


i see you are new here.
 
2012-04-19 03:27:08 PM  

9beers: I'm not getting drawn into another thread full of retard logic, you guys have your fun. Besides, the only new piece of evidence that's been made public since the last thread is that multiple neighbors saw Zimmerman covered in bandages the day following the shooting.

Have fun mob, don't forget the pitchforks.


the man that claims anyone that uses the ignore feature must be incapable of dealing with opposing opinions is leaving this thread ... because ...
 
2012-04-19 03:27:33 PM  

Mixolydian Master: I_C_Weener: [i586.photobucket.com image 497x749]

A neat picture I guess but how does that happen.

1:"Hey guys, hear me out. How about we make a crime scene chalk outline made out of skittles, then we'll stand around it looking solemn and introspective, and then Frank, yeah, we're gonna ned you to take a picture of it, and print it far and wide on the internet."

2:???

3:Profit?

What does this even mean? Who are they trying to reach, and what is the message? We're sad a kid was unnecessarily killed? Well, duh. Who is for it?


Reese's Pieces is for it. Remember that the next time you choose a bite sized snack.
 
2012-04-19 03:28:00 PM  

9beers: cameroncrazy1984: No, I'm saying that it does not follow that Martin attacked just because Zimmerman has injuries.

You know. Logic.


So we have an eyewitness that sees Zimmerman being assaulted followed by the police arriving minutes later and seeing Zimmerman bleeding from the nose and the back of his head and you claim you're using logic?

Nice.


An eyewitness that didn't see the beginning of the fight. Not to mention that eyewitnesses are unreliable ANYWAY.

So what evidence do you have that Martin was the one that assaulted Zimmerman, rather than the one defending himself from a failed security guard with delusions of vigilantism?
 
2012-04-19 03:28:16 PM  
Considering how impressively stupid Zimmerman and his lawyers have been so far, I can't imagine why this shouldn't be planned at all.
 
2012-04-19 03:28:21 PM  
media.kickstatic.com

Maybe they can have a brewski or something. That would be nice.
 
2012-04-19 03:28:52 PM  

9beers: Weaver95: at best you could *maybe* make the case that zimmerman might have some injuries to the back of his head (its a bit of a stretch but hey, you're welcome to try). But there is no evidence of a broken nose.

Keep ignoring the evidence, I'd expect nothing less from you.


how's this for a deal? you keep making up evidence and i'll keep ignoring it. sound like a plan?
 
2012-04-19 03:29:27 PM  

keithgabryelski: Weaver95: djkutch:

That, or the GED Law School has really been cranking out graduates.

the prosecutor evidently believes there's a case there for murder. i'm not familiar with the details of the criminal justice system...I presume this has also passed grand jury muster by this point?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_juries_in_the_United_States

grand juries are not required in florida -- but i did hear they were optional if a prosecutor thinks it necessary.

there was no grand jury employed for this case.


good to know. thanks!
 
2012-04-19 03:29:50 PM  

shivashakti: 9beers: Yes, there's no evidence of Martin assaulting Zimmerman, except for...

an eyewitness
a police report
paramedics
a video
neighbors who saw Zimmerman in bandages the next day

Keep on derping.

If Martin attacked, he no doubt was fighting back in self-defense because there was a crazy dude with a gun that kept stalking and harassing him when he was just trying to walk from the store.

I'm not saying Martin was a saint. He wasn't. But he wasn't doing anything wrong and now he's dead.


He brought fists to a gun fight... I'd say that is pretty wrong...
 
2012-04-19 03:29:53 PM  

9beers: Weaver95: except there's no evidence that actually happened.

Yes, there's no evidence of Martin assaulting Zimmerman, except for...

an eyewitness
a police report
paramedics
a video
neighbors who saw Zimmerman in bandages the next day

Keep on derping.


Memo to you sir: When even SkinnyHead this is a bad idea; either you're dumber than him or you're just trolling.

Either way just stop, you bring down the IQ of the human race with everything you post.
 
2012-04-19 03:30:35 PM  

Weaver95: 9beers: Weaver95: at best you could *maybe* make the case that zimmerman might have some injuries to the back of his head (its a bit of a stretch but hey, you're welcome to try). But there is no evidence of a broken nose.

Keep ignoring the evidence, I'd expect nothing less from you.

how's this for a deal? you keep making up evidence and i'll keep ignoring it. sound like a plan?


Heresay and conjecture are KINDS of evidence...

\RIP Lionel Hutz
 
2012-04-19 03:31:18 PM  

9beers: I'm not getting drawn into another thread full of retard logic


static.ddmcdn.com

/oblig
 
2012-04-19 03:32:07 PM  

Weaver95: 9beers: "I'm sorry you didn't do a better job raising your son so that he didn't grow up thinking that violence was the answer".

I still don't understand why you think Zimmerman is innocent. nothing in the evidence says Martin was doing anything wrong.


Becasue the evidence supports that while Zimmerman may be an idiot, he did nothing illegal. His position is self defense while Martin had attacked him.

If you get away from the media hype and look at the facts, it's not as cut and dry as MSNBC would have you belive. Zimmerman's testimony is that while following Martin, Martin came back around and attacked Zimmerman. "you got a promlem? you do now"

It's my understanding that supposedly while on top of Zimmerman and cracking Zimmerman's skull against the ground, Martin said something to the effect of "you're going to die tonight"

Let this go to the courts.
 
2012-04-19 03:32:08 PM  

9beers: I'm not getting drawn into another thread full of retard logic, you guys have your fun. Besides, the only new piece of evidence that's been made public since the last thread is that multiple neighbors saw Zimmerman covered in bandages the day following the shooting.

Have fun mob, don't forget the pitchforks.


So Zimmerman being injured means Martin started the fight? Well, by that logic, since Martin is dead, that proves Zimmerman started the fight.
 
2012-04-19 03:32:32 PM  

9beers: I'm not getting drawn into another thread full of retard logic, you guys have your fun. Besides, the only new piece of evidence that's been made public since the last thread is that multiple neighbors saw Zimmerman covered in bandages the day following the shooting.

Have fun mob, don't forget the pitchforks.


you're just tired of being proven wrong over and over and over again. deep down I think even YOU understand that backing zimmerman is a losing proposition.
 
2012-04-19 03:32:46 PM  
i941.photobucket.com
 
2012-04-19 03:33:42 PM  

2 grams:
Becasue the evidence supports that while Zimmerman may be an idiot, he did nothing illegal. His position is self defense while Martin had attacked him..


except that the evidence suggests that Zimmerman provoked the fight.
 
2012-04-19 03:33:56 PM  
Sorry George. You walked around for almost two months a free man after hunting down and killing their child after calling him a "coon." You couldn't be bothered to so much as make a phone call to apologize to the Trayvons then. You don't get the chance now. Your failure to accept personal responsibility for your actions, and apologize when you had the chance can and should be held against you at your sentencing. You've no remorse, none, for what you did, and implicitly called Trayvon and the Martins "evil" when you quoted Edmund Burke on your website. I hope you get life, asshole.
 
Ehh
2012-04-19 03:34:04 PM  
*Checks TFA to see if headline is correct, sees it is, shakes head sadly.*

George Zimmerman, keep your big fool mouth shut.
 
2012-04-19 03:34:52 PM  
This case is beinning to draw a good bit of controversy.
 
2012-04-19 03:35:45 PM  
www.anunews.net

amiright?
 
2012-04-19 03:36:00 PM  
I agree with the view that this dude is farked in the head.
 
2012-04-19 03:36:26 PM  

LordJiro: So Zimmerman being injured means Martin started the fight? Well, by that logic, since Martin is dead, that proves Zimmerman started the fight.


I can't prove it for 9beers...but, for most of the people championing Zimmerman, the logic seems to go like this: Martin was black, so he deserved whatever he got.

Just as bad are the people who want Zimmerman to go free solely because they think it'll hurt Al Sharpton. There's something seriously wrong in the head with people who "think" like that.
 
2012-04-19 03:36:54 PM  

Weaver95: 2 grams:
Becasue the evidence supports that while Zimmerman may be an idiot, he did nothing illegal. His position is self defense while Martin had attacked him..

except that the evidence suggests that Zimmerman provoked the fight.


Provocation is not assault... Throwing the first punch is assault.
 
2012-04-19 03:37:02 PM  

2 grams: If you get away from the media hype and look at the facts, it's not as cut and dry as MSNBC would have you belive. Zimmerman's testimony is that while following Martin, Martin came back around and attacked Zimmerman. "you got a promlem? you do now"

It's my understanding that supposedly while on top of Zimmerman and cracking Zimmerman's skull against the ground, Martin said something to the effect of "you're going to die tonight"

Let this go to the courts.


And the problem most rational people have is that, absent any other witnesses, it is the word of one armed man vs. the word of a corpse armed with Skittles and iced tea.
 
2012-04-19 03:37:14 PM  

lantawa: This case is beinning to draw a good bit of controversy.


i.imgur.com
with a side of
i.imgur.com
 
2012-04-19 03:37:17 PM  

Silly Jesus: [www.anunews.net image 320x186]

amiright?


Do you have a point?
 
2012-04-19 03:37:40 PM  

lantawa: This case is beinning to draw a good bit of controversy.


"beginning"?
 
2012-04-19 03:37:41 PM  

Weaver95: 2 grams:
Becasue the evidence supports that while Zimmerman may be an idiot, he did nothing illegal. His position is self defense while Martin had attacked him..

except that the evidence suggests that Zimmerman provoked the fight.


Who swung first? All evidence points to Martin. Doesn't matter who 'provoked' it. You are not REQUIRED to ablidge in a fight. As soon as Martin escalated it to a physical altercation, he became the aggressor.
 
2012-04-19 03:38:12 PM  

philotech: Weaver95: 2 grams:
Becasue the evidence supports that while Zimmerman may be an idiot, he did nothing illegal. His position is self defense while Martin had attacked him..

except that the evidence suggests that Zimmerman provoked the fight.

Provocation is not assault... Throwing the first punch is assault.


the guy with the gun picked a fight with an unarmed kid. the kid ends up dead. And...people think the guy with the gun is the hero?

that's f*cked up.
 
2012-04-19 03:38:43 PM  

eraser8: LordJiro: So Zimmerman being injured means Martin started the fight? Well, by that logic, since Martin is dead, that proves Zimmerman started the fight.

I can't prove it for 9beers...but, for most of the people championing Zimmerman, the logic seems to go like this: Martin was black, so he deserved whatever he got.

Just as bad are the people who want Zimmerman to go free solely because they think it'll hurt Al Sharpton. There's something seriously wrong in the head with people who "think" like that.


Well, 9beers DID say that Zimmerman should get a medal for taking the 'thug' off the streets.
 
2012-04-19 03:39:17 PM  

zippolight2002: Weaver95: 2 grams:
Becasue the evidence supports that while Zimmerman may be an idiot, he did nothing illegal. His position is self defense while Martin had attacked him..

except that the evidence suggests that Zimmerman provoked the fight.

Who swung first? All evidence points to Martin. Doesn't matter who 'provoked' it. You are not REQUIRED to ablidge in a fight. As soon as Martin escalated it to a physical altercation, he became the aggressor.


actually, 'all evidence' points to Zimmerman starting the fight. Martin was walking home..Zimmerman followed the kid around and went after him.
 
2012-04-19 03:39:22 PM  

Weaver95: philotech: Weaver95: 2 grams:
Becasue the evidence supports that while Zimmerman may be an idiot, he did nothing illegal. His position is self defense while Martin had attacked him..

except that the evidence suggests that Zimmerman provoked the fight.

Provocation is not assault... Throwing the first punch is assault.

the guy with the gun picked a fight with an unarmed kid. the kid ends up dead. And...people think the guy with the gun is the hero?

that's f*cked up.


The ENTIRE point of the stand your ground law is that you don't know if someone is armed so how about you DON'T assault someone.
 
2012-04-19 03:39:29 PM  

zippolight2002: Who swung first? All evidence points to Martin.


All evidence?

As in "the guy who fired the shot is the only one saying who swung first". Well, golly, if all we have to go on is the word of the guy trying to avoid a murder 2 conviction, how can we go wrong?
 
2012-04-19 03:39:31 PM  

WhoIsWillo: SkinnyHead: I don't think a private meeting like that would be very good idea.

This is how bad of an idea this is.


I almost choked on a pop tart
 
2012-04-19 03:39:48 PM  

philotech: Provocation is not assault... Throwing the first punch is assault.


That's not quite right, legally speaking. Assault is simply the credible THREAT to use force. It's not actually laying hands on another's person.

But, ignoring your ignorance, for the moment: who threw the first punch? Show your evidence.
 
2012-04-19 03:40:05 PM  
So is he ginning up some remorse to work out a plea deal? As crazy as this case is... I'd sure take a swipe at 5 years on plea rather than deal with a Florida jury.
 
2012-04-19 03:40:08 PM  

Weaver95: zippolight2002: Weaver95: 2 grams:
Becasue the evidence supports that while Zimmerman may be an idiot, he did nothing illegal. His position is self defense while Martin had attacked him..

except that the evidence suggests that Zimmerman provoked the fight.

Who swung first? All evidence points to Martin. Doesn't matter who 'provoked' it. You are not REQUIRED to ablidge in a fight. As soon as Martin escalated it to a physical altercation, he became the aggressor.

actually, 'all evidence' points to Zimmerman starting the fight. Martin was walking home..Zimmerman followed the kid around and went after him.


That's not starting a fight.... that's being creepy.
 
2012-04-19 03:40:27 PM  
Yeah, that would be...awkward. And might even incite the grieving parents or other family to violence. This idea...it is a horrible idea - unless you're too chicken shiat to kill yourself.

Does he not even have legal representation? Why would they let him do such a thing?? What does he expect out of this?
 
2012-04-19 03:40:30 PM  

zippolight2002: Weaver95: 2 grams:
Becasue the evidence supports that while Zimmerman may be an idiot, he did nothing illegal. His position is self defense while Martin had attacked him..

except that the evidence suggests that Zimmerman provoked the fight.

Who swung first? All evidence points to Martin. Doesn't matter who 'provoked' it. You are not REQUIRED to ablidge in a fight. As soon as Martin escalated it to a physical altercation, he became the aggressor.


What evidence is that? The only eyewitness didn't see the beginning of the fight, so he'd have no way of knowing who threw the first punch. So what evidence are you looking at?
 
2012-04-19 03:40:48 PM  

Weaver95: 2 grams:
Becasue the evidence supports that while Zimmerman may be an idiot, he did nothing illegal. His position is self defense while Martin had attacked him..

except that the evidence suggests that Zimmerman provoked the fight.


All I'll say on this is that the evidence supports Zimmerman's statement. At best, it can be red to suggest something else...without any statement that something else actually happened.

Add in presumption of innocence, beyond a reasonable doubt, self-defense, and Stand Your Ground, Zimmerman is not guilty of a crime.

My feeling is that the Stand Your Ground law, not requiring you not be the instigator, actually favors both of them. Neither one acted illegally, even if Trayvon jumped Zimmerman or Zimmerman accosted Trayvon.

Silly law. Bad outcome. But regardless, Zimmerman's story is consistent with the evidence we know. Legally, that is hard to beat in court. Emotional appeal only goes so far.

What is fascinating about the case isn't the the case itself, but the reaction. Including the lack of action against others who may have been illegally inciting violence, or acting as terrorists and not being held accountable, the media spinning this like every new day was a cliff hanger on Days of Our Lives, the politicians opening their mouths, and the "leaks" from the police and prosecutor, and the first defense attorneys possibly acting unethically in holding a press conference, and Zimmerman being kicked out of school without a conviction, and Zimmerman suddenly wanting to talk to everyone from the prosecutor on down.

Drama. Florida knows it.
 
2012-04-19 03:40:50 PM  
The newsflash of Zimmerman buying items at the Jailhouse market was pretty good.
 
2012-04-19 03:41:03 PM  

zippolight2002: Weaver95: zippolight2002: Weaver95: 2 grams:
Becasue the evidence supports that while Zimmerman may be an idiot, he did nothing illegal. His position is self defense while Martin had attacked him..

except that the evidence suggests that Zimmerman provoked the fight.

Who swung first? All evidence points to Martin. Doesn't matter who 'provoked' it. You are not REQUIRED to ablidge in a fight. As soon as Martin escalated it to a physical altercation, he became the aggressor.

actually, 'all evidence' points to Zimmerman starting the fight. Martin was walking home..Zimmerman followed the kid around and went after him.

That's not starting a fight.... that's being creepy.


nope - that's a 'credible threat'...against Martin. And given Zimmerman's history of aggression, it makes sense.
 
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