Jake Havechek: 18-24 year olds think the world is like the internet where you always get instant results.

My google search to see if this was true or not took 0.46 seconds.

BMulligan: Mildot:

YELLOL:

Roy_G_Biv:

badhatharry:

beta_plus:

That's 5 of 'em. In a row. Within about 3.5 minutes of each other.

It's like watching the cop cars converge on the donut shop at shift change.

Someone must have put up the derp signal.

BojanglesPaladin: /Although I doubt this is how the RNC and Romney's campaign will message it.

Absolutely, McCain was practically the same way leading into the primaries, however the GOP thought that pushing the same BS talking points that they peddled to the public for 8 years would've worked in 2008.

The GOP seems to be run by idiots.

wildcardjack: For decades now the older, more votey people have been gaining ground over the younger, less votey people.

The Boomers have everyone else outnumbered. Tremendously so. They will continue to be the defining voting bloc in American politics for at least two more decades.

Rev. Skarekroe: This assures a Ron Paul victory when he wrests the nomination from Romney after Newt and Santorum give him all their delegates in Tampa.
It's science.


I know you're joking, but the two Paultards here at work discuss this exact scenario with each other like it's a done deal. "Man, I can't wait to see the look on Romney's face when Paul gets the Nomination" . It's like they're Libertarian versions of Rik from The Young Ones. "All Paul has to do is grab the mike and say REVOLUTION! and then it's on baby!!!!"

Zerochance: whidbey: Zerochance: I don't particularly want to RTFA - are these kids Paultards or something?

My thoughts exactly.

I ask because my life is filled with Paultards. I think it's because I'm a musician, so most of my friendships revolve around music, and musicians are largely self-absorbed, selfish faux-intellectuals with delusions of grandeur. It's the perfect breeding ground for Paultards.

There are three in particular I deal with on a daily basis. One of them is a co-worker who could not be more of an archetype for the typical Paultard if he was actually trying. I have posted screen caps of some of his Paultard FB posts here on FARK, which people were hugely amused by.

One of the other guys is one of my musician friends (great guitarist, actually) who is basically a neo-anarchist who wants to be free to do whatever he wants without consequence. He acts like we're living in Communist China because he's not free to light up a doobie at Applebee's or something.

The last guy is one of my bandmates. His Paultardism is particularly hypocritical because he buys music gear he doesn't need, compulsively (he has a new piece of equipment literally every week) yet he lives in his dad's basement and collects government assistance. But, he's a Paultard, rallying against "entitlements" even though he would probably get on alright if he didn't have a need to make his massive wall of guitars bigger.

Yeah well I play music, too, and, delusions of grandeur aside, I realize that RON PAUL is a complete nutcase along the lines of Ross Perot.

We need someone in our government who can politically stand up to the US foreign policy bullsh*t, the War on Drugs and the PATRIOT/DHS crap, but not someone who is even farther to the right of the people who came up with that sh*t in the first place.

I'll probably end up voting for Obama and the Democrats but only because they're less overtly evil, which might buy some time for actually productive organizing to bear fruit.

If all you're doing is voting for Democrats, or working for Democrats, or pressuring Democrats, you fail. An electoral-oriented strategy is just not going to produce the necessary results.

Serious Black: Ned Stark: I'm not voting for Obama and I'm in the 18-24 demographic so I'm really getting a kick

Who do you plan on voting for? Why do you want to vote for them?

Pobably no one for president since this is a no write in state. I'll still have to put pants on that tuseday though. There's always ballot measures that need attention

abb3w: lennavan: Reminds me of slashdot.

Not really, if you examine the methodology details, as noted in at the end of the (unlinkable, but found at tinyurl.com/cgg22hp) full survey.

It's actually quite img1.fark.net, in that this isn't a sample of 2000 adults, and then filtering out the 18-24 fraction -- as Gallup's age brackets reports usually involve. The sample is of two thousand JUST in that age bracket. Those two thousand are a subset of the larger group that they use more generally, a overall representative sample of the US specifically developed to avoid some of the limitations (eg: cell-phones) of telephone polling.

Yeah, admittedly I was just too lazy to look up the methodology. You're right it is kinda cool. The company clearly went to great lengths to gain a decent representative population and I think they got pretty farking close.

It seems the company randomly chooses people but what is the incentive for them to say yes and how many do? If there's a monetary incentive, it makes you think the selection bias is towards the lower end of the economic spectrum.

Put another way, if I was a millionaire, there's no way I'd waste my time giving a survey for whatever incentive they could logically offer.

whidbey
We need someone in our government who can politically stand up to the US foreign policy bullsh*t, the War on Drugs and the PATRIOT/DHS crap, but not someone who is even farther to the right of the people who came up with that sh*t in the first place.

Anyone like that will never make progress in politics. You get one every once in a while, people say "What a great/eccentric guy!" and then he sits in the Senate for thirty years being correct but unproductive.

Lunaville: Dusk-You-n-Me: Pew:

Obama v. Romney
18-29: 61 33
30-49: 47 46
50-64: 47 46
65+: 44 50

Link, .pdf

Link

What the heck is wrong with people over thirty? Are we retarded? Maybe it's dementia. N-o-o-o! I don't want to be senile!


I think a lot of them are like a buddy of mine. Super-duper right-winger who thinks he's the cat that ate the canary. After nearly 20 years in TV, he's finally making an okay living. (I'd guess $40-50k, and his wife probably makes around $40k and they have no kids) But, after years on the bottom, he feels like he's riding on the gravy train now and thinks he's a real boot-strapper.

He's had income gains, but he's not bright enough to realize that, were it not for the systematic campaign to depress wages and reduce the American standard of living, he'd be making much more than that. There's not even any point in telling him what someone in his position would have earned 40 years ago... He won't even listen, because his entire view of himself is wrapped in the notion that he's really accomplished something and that he's shoulder-to-shoulder with the job creators.

(if I was a real dick, I'd bring it to his attention that he made it to the level of dept. head and then got booted back down to producer in less than a year because, like so many other self-styled Randian supermen, turns out he's neither a hard worker nor very good at what he does.)

Ned Stark: Pobably no one for president since this is a no write in state. I'll still have to put pants on that tuseday though. There's always ballot measures that need attention

I'm 31, so not too far removed from your demographic and if the election is contested, I will make a pragmatic choice and vote for Obama. If it's not, then I will vote with my conscience and write in Gary Johnson. I am still familiarizing myself with his ideas, but so far I like his platform quite a bit. Socially liberal, fiscally conservative and seemingly devoid of RON PAUL's neo-confederate kookiness.

BMulligan: Mildot:

YELLOL:

Roy_G_Biv:

badhatharry:

beta_plus:

That's 5 of 'em. In a row. Within about 3.5 minutes of each other.

It's like watching the cop cars converge on the donut shop at shift change.

Wow, I really need to learn how to not let smug, hypocritical idiocy get my blood boiling. Good job, asswipes, you got me to want to punch the screen.

Jake Havechek: : 18-24 year olds think the world is like the internet where you always get instant results.

So much this.

All the youngins were so enamored by Obama and then absolutely disappeared when he took office. They assumed he'd solve all the world's problems, so they all tuned out while the Tea Party took to the streets.

Change doesn't happen overnight. It takes a looooooong time. That's great that you want legalized pot and a parliamentary system of government, but posting Ron Paul videos and making fb statuses does absolutely nothing. You need to go out and do something about it. Convincing your facebook friends isn't enough.

Kasira: But they want Romney even less, and anyway they don't vote much. So this really doesn't matter.

And he hasn't started campaigning yet, so let's see what it looks like later this year.

He's been making stump speeches and lacing his official speeches with campaign rhetoric for about a month and a half now, plus his campaign fund has been spending for about the same period, where have you been that you haven't noticed this?

Zerochance: fiscally conservative

Actually, let me scratch that. Wants to gut Medicare, slash the safety net. Can't win 'em all I guess.

Candidate Obama : I wont interfere with state drug laws

President Obama : I want the tough on drugs vote.

Obama will win because the lesser of two evils doctrine.

The GOP is bat-farking-shiat insane.

Zerochance: Ned Stark: Pobably no one for president since this is a no write in state. I'll still have to put pants on that tuseday though. There's always ballot measures that need attention

I'm 31, so not too far removed from your demographic and if the election is contested, I will make a pragmatic choice and vote for Obama. If it's not, then I will vote with my conscience and write in Gary Johnson. I am still familiarizing myself with his ideas, but so far I like his platform quite a bit. Socially liberal, fiscally conservative and seemingly devoid of RON PAUL's neo-confederate kookiness.

I could maybe, maybe gone pragmatic if the reps had given the nod to Santorum or something. But politics is a long game. The democrats have been ratcheting us right for decades. Crawling into bed with them should only be done against the most dire of threats. A wishy washy business con who obama plagiarized his health bill from just dosent cut it.

Ned Stark: I could maybe, maybe gone pragmatic if the reps had given the nod to Santorum or something.

LOL WUT?

/Why do you hate America to think it deserves that?

I don't want Obama to win either. I just want the other toolbags that are running to win even less.

Mrtraveler01: Ned Stark: I could maybe, maybe gone pragmatic if the reps had given the nod to Santorum or something.

LOL WUT?

/Why do you hate America to think it deserves that?

Pragmatic as in voted for obama ya ninny.

RanDomino: whidbey
We need someone in our government who can politically stand up to the US foreign policy bullsh*t, the War on Drugs and the PATRIOT/DHS crap, but not someone who is even farther to the right of the people who came up with that sh*t in the first place.

Anyone like that will never make progress in politics. You get one every once in a while, people say "What a great/eccentric guy!" and then he sits in the Senate for thirty years being correct but unproductive.

Totally understand. Even Nader and Governor Moonbeam just had too big of a list that they couldn't focus on anything.

But what is it going to take to send the message to our government that we don't care for sh*t like NDAA or bombing 3rd world countries in the name of "democracy?"

It's got to be addressed sooner or later. It's where a good deal of our revenue is wasted.

Mrtraveler01: Ned Stark: I could maybe, maybe gone pragmatic if the reps had given the nod to Santorum or something.

LOL WUT?

/Why do you hate America to think it deserves that?

I believe the young squire is saying he could only vote for Obama if Santorum was the nominee.

/had to read it twice meself

Ned Stark: Mrtraveler01: Ned Stark: I could maybe, maybe gone pragmatic if the reps had given the nod to Santorum or something.

LOL WUT?

/Why do you hate America to think it deserves that?

Pragmatic as in voted for obama ya ninny.

Ahhh. My bad.

I just know there are people who think Santorum would be the pragmatic choice.

/Shudder
//At least he could never win the youth vote

CorporatePerson
All the youngins were so enamored by Obama and then absolutely disappeared when he took office. They assumed he'd solve all the world's problems, so they all tuned out while the Tea Party took to the streets.

Change doesn't happen overnight. It takes a looooooong time. That's great that you want legalized pot and a parliamentary system of government, but posting Ron Paul videos and making fb statuses does absolutely nothing. You need to go out and do something about it.

I'm sorry, but you might not have noticed this "Occupy" thing, it's kind of a big deal.

Ned Stark: Zerochance: Ned Stark: Pobably no one for president since this is a no write in state. I'll still have to put pants on that tuseday though. There's always ballot measures that need attention

I'm 31, so not too far removed from your demographic and if the election is contested, I will make a pragmatic choice and vote for Obama. If it's not, then I will vote with my conscience and write in Gary Johnson. I am still familiarizing myself with his ideas, but so far I like his platform quite a bit. Socially liberal, fiscally conservative and seemingly devoid of RON PAUL's neo-confederate kookiness.

I could maybe, maybe gone pragmatic if the reps had given the nod to Santorum or something. But politics is a long game. The democrats have been ratcheting us right for decades. Crawling into bed with them should only be done against the most dire of threats. A wishy washy business con who obama plagiarized his health bill from just dosent cut it.


The problem is that the GOP candidate will adhere to the GOP agenda.

Do you not remember McCain's turnabout?

The kingmakers in the party wouldn't put forward a candidate who wasn't willing to dance to their playlist.

Romney won't be playing for liberal Massachusetts anymore. He'll be playing for the United States of Limbaughland and the NeoCons and the BIble-thumpers and supply-siders.

People said the same thing about W. that you're saying about Romney... I remember specifically the phrase that caught hold in the news cycle... "There's not a nickel's worth of difference between George W. Bush and Al Gore."

Romney won't be Romney if he gets in the White House. He'll be the right-wing puppet du jour, and he'll toe the party line.

whidbey
But what is it going to take to send the message to our government that we don't care for sh*t like NDAA or bombing 3rd world countries in the name of "democracy?"

Ignore them. Route around the damage. Build a new economy, new unions, and new organizations, and use direct action. "Strike, Occupy, Take Over". They'll either pass a new New Deal, or face the same threat that compelled them to go through with the first one- revolution.

trotsky: Where did they take this pole, College Republicans?

Seriously, if you want ideologue spouting college kids who barely know the issues, go to a CR meeting. One guy who I know does the CR thing now is proud that he might be able to work a minimum wage shiat job after college. Oh, and he's all for right-to-work.

I think you are mistaking right-to-work with at-will employment. Right to work makes it illegal for an employer to enter an contract with a union in which you must join the union to start employment, or keep your job with said employer. At-will employment is "we can fire you for any or no reason, so long as you can't prove we broke some other law in the process."

Also, I love listening to a CR talk, especially when they went to a public high school, are going to a public university, using subsidized federal loans, on their parents' health insurance plan, using a free bus pass paid for by tax dollars, etc. It's so easy to make them look like a complete hypocritical douche. Listening to the twisted logic they come up with to explain why they're hard working real Murikans, and everyone else who has ever used any sort of public assistance is a blight upon society is priceless.

BMulligan: Mildot:

YELLOL:

Roy_G_Biv:

badhatharry:

beta_plus:

That's 5 of 'em. In a row. Within about 3.5 minutes of each other.

It's like watching the cop cars converge on the donut shop at shift change.

Then they didn't come back. I guess they had to push poll some seniors.

maybe those youngsters will build up some momentum for a 3rd (4th/5th?) party candidate

Don't Troll Me Bro!: I think you are mistaking right-to-work with at-will employment. Right to work makes it illegal for an employer to enter an contract with a union in which you must join the union to start employment, or keep your job with said employer. At-will employment is "we can fire you for any or no reason, so long as you can't prove we broke some other law in the process."

There's very little difference in method of operation.

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Also, I love listening to a CR talk, especially when they went to a public high school, are going to a public university, using subsidized federal loans, on their parents' health insurance plan, using a free bus pass paid for by tax dollars, etc. It's so easy to make them look like a complete hypocritical douche. Listening to the twisted logic they come up with to explain why they're hard working real Murikans, and everyone else who has ever used any sort of public assistance is a blight upon society is priceless.

Holy shiat, are you right - my freshman year of College was back in '99. I took a political science class as an elective, and I'd just moved to the US so I was pretty neutral on politics at the time. My professor made the mistake of revealing he was a Democrat, and one of the people in the class was the president of my university's CRs, who acted like a complete dickhole every chance he got. Everyone farking hated this guy. He was disruptive and argumentative and had a difficult time concealing his racism. His presence in that class and overall demeanor definitely was influential to where I was going to end up politically as an adult.

RanDomino: CorporatePerson
All the youngins were so enamored by Obama and then absolutely disappeared when he took office. They assumed he'd solve all the world's problems, so they all tuned out while the Tea Party took to the streets.

Change doesn't happen overnight. It takes a looooooong time. That's great that you want legalized pot and a parliamentary system of government, but posting Ron Paul videos and making fb statuses does absolutely nothing. You need to go out and do something about it.

I'm sorry, but you might not have noticed this "Occupy" thing, it's kind of a big deal.

I went to Occupy Chicago a few weeks ago and it was a shiat show. It was mostly performance artists performing ironic nonsense.

There's alot for young people to be upset about, but they don't have any ambition to do anything about it.

CorporatePerson
There's alot for young people to be upset about, but they don't have any ambition to do anything about it.

Good thing you're doing the important work of pooping on them on the Internet.

BMulligan: Mildot:

YELLOL:

Roy_G_Biv:

badhatharry:

beta_plus:

That's 5 of 'em. In a row. Within about 3.5 minutes of each other.

It's like watching the cop cars converge on the donut shop at shift change.

Aww, dos reality hurt your wittle feewings? It must hurt so much that how things really are don't fit your view of the world.

/why do you think the Democrats were so ecstatic over Rush's comments?
//of course, they have a bad habit of thinking all white women march in lock step with NOW

RanDomino: CorporatePerson
All the youngins were so enamored by Obama and then absolutely disappeared when he took office. They assumed he'd solve all the world's problems, so they all tuned out while the Tea Party took to the streets.

Change doesn't happen overnight. It takes a looooooong time. That's great that you want legalized pot and a parliamentary system of government, but posting Ron Paul videos and making fb statuses does absolutely nothing. You need to go out and do something about it.

I'm sorry, but you might not have noticed this "Occupy" thing, it's kind of a big deal.

are you going to help shut down oakland or nyc on mayday?

beta_plus:
Aww, dos reality hurt your wittle feewings? It must hurt so much that how things really are don't fit your view of the world.

I love how the fact that you don't even know you're being mocked right now.

Walker: Dusk-You-n-Me: Pew:

Obama v. Romney
18-29: 61 33
30-49: 47 46
50-64: 47 46
65+: 44 50

Link, .pdf

Link

Romney wins the 65+ demographic because those white people are still racist and don't like being led by a "darkie".

It couldn't POSSIBLY have to do with the idea that the older and wiser someone is, the more likely they are to run screaming from liberal ideology.

Occam's Nailfile: It couldn't POSSIBLY have to do with the idea that the older and wiser someone is, the more likely they are to run screaming from liberal ideology.

GUBMIT BETTER NOT MESS WITH MY MEDICARE GOLDARNIT!!!

RanDomino: CorporatePerson
There's alot for young people to be upset about, but they don't have any ambition to do anything about it.

Good thing you're doing the important work of pooping on them on the Internet.

Hey I'm a young person too so I'm allowed to criticize. 2008 was the first general election where I was eligible to vote.

I just know too many people who voted for Obama, didn't pay attention to the news, and just threw their hands up in the air and tuned out when he couldn't instantly fix the economy, get us out of the wars, give us single payer healthcare, etc.

Nobody hears us because we don't try to take part in the conversation. We have to consider that Tea Party folks and Republicans play a part in this democracy, too. It takes time to change people's hearts and minds, and throwing up our hands and saying "fark it all, I'm taking my ball and going home" doesn't help our cause.

El_Frijole_Blanco: Jackson Herring: Magorn: xanadian: Kasira: But they want Romney even less, and anyway they don't vote much. So this really doesn't matter.

Yeah, they want RON PAUL.

/met my first RON PAUL supporter last weekend
//thought he was an otherwise sane guy
///yes, he's a college student

Speaking of Ron Paul, there are two cars in the parking lot near me covered in RP and tea-party-themed bumper stickers but htey both have a cryptic on that is a mixtur eof greek and regular alphabet. IIRC its something like M (Omega) OAN A(Delta)BE

any farking clue what that means?



greek for "come and take them", your neighbors are farking idiots hth

I love the whole quoting Spartans for anti government slogans as all of Spartan culture was geared towards service of the state


\\\ on the subject of the idiot neighbors

AS ilove to point out to sparta worshippers, particularly those of them that think "The 300" is even losely based on a true story, Sparta, was, quite literally the first communist police-state the world has ever known. The Spartiates were given, by the state exactly equal amounts of wealth and property. They were required to turn their children over to the state for mandatory indoctrination and military training at age 8. They Spartans had centralized control of their entire economy, and discouraged any kind of private industry or mercantilism, going so far as to forbid men of the Spartiate from engaging in it or even handling money. They literally enslaved all those responsible food production and manufacturing. And top it all off, they maintained a Secret Police (literally that is what Cryptaea translates into) whose job it was to go out and kill any helot slave who was too smart, too handsome, too popular, or an any other way was threat to rise above his station, or work hard or innovate in any way