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(Washington Post)   Obama during speech today: "I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth", Romney later in the day: Well neither was I, I mean really, silver? how gauche, all my baby spoons were platinum thank you very much   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 338
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2012-04-19 08:49:00 AM
FTFA: There remains a role for government to give everybody a "fair shot," Obama said - not just the wealthy.

That sums it up as well as anything i can think of. In the eyes of a liberal, it is the responsibility of the government to make sure you get ahead. Conservatives believe in a thing called "personal responsibility" where you succeed or fail based on your own drive and initiative.

/bootstrappy
 
2012-04-19 08:58:45 AM
While I do agree with Obama on 95% of issues, I am getting tired of the "LOL he's RICH so therefore automatically DUMB" rhetoric. He's dumb, yes, out of touch, yes, but I don't think rich people are automatically bad leaders anymore than black people are. There has got to be a better way to put forth his faults.
 
2012-04-19 09:03:25 AM
You should be allowed a fair shot, just don't expect equal results.

But the poor should not be punished for being poor, and being rich is it's own reward, not something to be lauded or cheered for.
 
2012-04-19 09:03:48 AM

SecretAgentWoman: While I do agree with Obama on 95% of issues, I am getting tired of the "LOL he's RICH so therefore automatically DUMB" rhetoric. He's dumb, yes, out of touch, yes, but I don't think rich people are automatically bad leaders anymore than black people are. There has got to be a better way to put forth his faults.


He's wealthy, only because his father was, and he will help further enrich people like him, at the expense of everyone and everything else.
 
2012-04-19 09:05:32 AM
Second paragraph: Shouldn't the "P" in "president" be capitalized?
 
2012-04-19 09:06:04 AM
How does Obama explain the documentary film evidence of him in "Silver Spoons" then?

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2012-04-19 09:06:28 AM

BillCo: FTFA: There remains a role for government to give everybody a "fair shot," Obama said - not just the wealthy.

That sums it up as well as anything i can think of. In the eyes of a liberal, it is the responsibility of the government to make sure you get ahead. Conservatives believe in a thing called "personal responsibility" where you succeed or fail based on your own drive and initiative.

/bootstrappy


Except that's not what he said at all, perhaps you should learn to read?
 
2012-04-19 09:07:05 AM

SecretAgentWoman: While I do agree with Obama on 95% of issues, I am getting tired of the "LOL he's RICH so therefore automatically DUMB" rhetoric. He's dumb, yes, out of touch, yes, but I don't think rich people are automatically bad leaders anymore than black people are. There has got to be a better way to put forth his faults.


Ummm... when has that ever been part of Obama's rhetoric? Obama has acknowledged that he himself is wealthy (although he wasn't born that way, unlike Romney), and he has taken a lot of economic cues from Warren Buffet.

Just because Faux Noise says he's engaging in "class warfare", doesn't make it so.

/the real "class warfare" is the rich trying to pick our pockets and poison our air and water for their own short-term personal gain
 
2012-04-19 09:07:39 AM

SecretAgentWoman: While I do agree with Obama on 95% of issues, I am getting tired of the "LOL he's RICH so therefore automatically DUMB" rhetoric. He's dumb, yes, out of touch, yes, but I don't think rich people are automatically bad leaders anymore than black people are. There has got to be a better way to put forth his faults.


I will disagree. I can easily see wealthy individuals who inherited most of their wealth being quite ignorant as to the ways of life. They may be booksmart, but not streetwise at all. They are insulated from the hardships that 90% of us deal with every day. They have never had to wonder "will I get fired if I call in sick to work?" "Will I be able to afford this trip to the Doctor?" "Can I make this month's credit card payment?" That, in my eyes, makes them incredibly stupid compared to the rest of the country.
 
2012-04-19 09:07:52 AM

BillCo: That sums it up as well as anything i can think of


Let's be honest, though, how much can you really think of when you're just trolling political threads on a website day in and day out?
 
2012-04-19 09:08:57 AM
Romney is sensitive to perceptions that he grew up wealthy, so Obama's "silver spoon" remark could strike a nerve. On the campaign trail, the former Massachusetts governor sometimes talks about his father, George, growing up poor and driving across the American West looking for work.

ORLY? About George Romney's father:

Gaskell Romney was a successful carpenter, house builder, and farmer who headed the most prosperous family in the colony

/from wikipedia
//I know, I know...
 
2012-04-19 09:09:55 AM

BillCo: Conservatives believe in a thing called "personal responsibility" where you succeed or fail based on your own drive and initiative.


i269.photobucket.com

what conservatives who believe in personal responsibility and succeed and fail on their own drive and initiative might look like
 
2012-04-19 09:11:20 AM
so if the govt doesn't make sure we have the infrastructure and educated workforce to attract high paying jobs who will? the multinational corporations?
 
2012-04-19 09:11:21 AM

SecretAgentWoman: I am getting tired of the "LOL he's RICH so therefore automatically DUMB" rhetoric.


It's not "he is rich"...it is "he was handed everything in his life because he had a rich and powerful father, therefore he is out of touch with real America and his solutions will not benefit the majority."

Boiling it down to "he's rich and that's why he is bad" completely misses the point when you look at the rest of the speech talking about hard work and investing in community college to help people get ahead.
 
2012-04-19 09:11:25 AM

BillCo: FTFA: There remains a role for government to give everybody a "fair shot," Obama said - not just the wealthy.

That sums it up as well as anything i can think of. In the eyes of a liberal, it is the responsibility of the government to make sure you get ahead. Conservatives believe in a thing called "personal responsibility" where you succeed or fail based on your own drive and initiative.


Getting a fair shot is the same as getting ahead?

/bootstrappymoran
 
2012-04-19 09:11:30 AM

BillCo: FTFA: There remains a role for government to give everybody a "fair shot," Obama said - not just the wealthy.

That sums it up as well as anything i can think of. In the eyes of a liberal, it is the responsibility of the government to make sure you get ahead. Conservatives believe in a thing called "personal responsibility" where you succeed or fail based on your own drive and initiative.

/bootstrappy


You should be embarrassed that I don't have you on ignore. It means I don't think you're trolling, I think you're a farking idiot.

Read the phrase you quoted and then read your interpretation of it. Repeat until you have the sudden realization that you've got things absolutely backwards. Then come back to us and apologize for subjecting the rest of us to your idiocy.
 
2012-04-19 09:12:09 AM

BillCo: FTFA: There remains a role for government to give everybody a "fair shot," Obama said - not just the wealthy.

That sums it up as well as anything i can think of. In the eyes of a liberal, it is the responsibility of the government to make sure you get ahead. Conservatives believe in a thing called "personal responsibility" where you succeed or fail based on your own drive and initiative.

/bootstrappy


I don't quite think it's like that. I think the Liberal mind is less about the government making sure you get ahead, but simply providing the tools for you to get ahead. Proper education, access to cheap and affordable Health Care, equal opportunities to find work and be guarantee a decent wage. And beyond all that, if all of it fails, a safety net so you don't end up living under an overpass.

In the end, it's still on you to use those tools. You still have a "personal responsibility".

/But then that's just me,
 
2012-04-19 09:14:14 AM

SecretAgentWoman: While I do agree with Obama on 95% of issues, I am getting tired of the "LOL he's RICH so therefore automatically DUMB" rhetoric. He's dumb, yes, out of touch, yes, but I don't think rich people are automatically bad leaders anymore than black people are. There has got to be a better way to put forth his faults.


Yeah, agreed. I'm disappointed in the anti-rich populist nonsense as well, but he's got an election to win and populism works with idiots. Besides, what are you going to do, vote for Romney?
 
2012-04-19 09:14:21 AM

BillCo: . Conservatives believe in a thing called "personal responsibility" where you succeed or fail based on your own drive and initiative.



You ever read about the life and times of George W Bush? You should. Guy never took responsibility for a damn thing. His dad and his dad's rich buddies were constantly bailing Dubya out of jams and financial blunders.
 
2012-04-19 09:14:40 AM

bulldg4life: SecretAgentWoman: I am getting tired of the "LOL he's RICH so therefore automatically DUMB" rhetoric.

It's not "he is rich"...it is "he was handed everything in his life because he had a rich and powerful father, therefore he is out of touch with real America and his solutions will not benefit the majority."

Boiling it down to "he's rich and that's why he is bad" completely misses the point when you look at the rest of the speech talking about hard work and investing in community college to help people get ahead.


If Mitt Romney cares about America why does he keep his money in offshore accounts and make most of his investments overseas?
 
2012-04-19 09:14:45 AM

BillCo: "personal responsibility"


like owning up when you make a mistake and not blaming the "librul media" on your problems?
 
2012-04-19 09:16:12 AM

SecretAgentWoman: I am getting tired of the "LOL he's RICH so therefore automatically DUMB" rhetoric


I've never heard anyone call Romney dumb. I've heard him called "out of touch with regular people" but never dumb. Would someone who understands what average Americans have been going through over the since 2007 joke about firing people? When you're born a billionaire like Romney then it's no big deal to loss a job. On the other hand, if you're making less that $100,000/year then it is devastating to the family. Job loss is no joking matter. There is nothing funny about it. Romney just doesn't get it.
 
2012-04-19 09:16:19 AM
Why, on Earth, do you people respond to him as though he is remotely realistic in his comments? Seriously, the only interesting thing is to respond to him as indifferent to his goal enough to try and get him to break character.
 
2012-04-19 09:17:25 AM

bulldg4life: SecretAgentWoman: I am getting tired of the "LOL he's RICH so therefore automatically DUMB" rhetoric.

It's not "he is rich"...it is "he was handed everything in his life because he had a rich and powerful father, therefore he is out of touch with real America and his solutions will not benefit the majority."

Boiling it down to "he's rich and that's why he is bad" completely misses the point when you look at the rest of the speech talking about hard work and investing in community college to help people get ahead.


It's not even that. Romney just can't come out and say he's rich. It's actually quire hilarious. If he would just say "I was blessed with my opportunities" it would be a lot better. As it is, he's still concerned with the common man and the youth who are probably still trying to listen to someone freeing the canines or soemthing.
 
2012-04-19 09:17:31 AM
Although Mitt's parents helped fund his college and graduate education, and helped him and his wife, Anne, buy their first home, he did not inherit his parents' wealth; he amassed a multimillion-dollar fortune on his own, working at Bain Capital.

Oh man, what a load of croc. His daddy fund his higher education, got him and his wife a free house. And wanna bet having dad like that got him success at Bain Capital?... That's no silverspoon?
 
2012-04-19 09:18:44 AM

BillCo: FTFA: There remains a role for government to give everybody a "fair shot," Obama said - not just the wealthy.

That sums it up as well as anything i can think of. In the eyes of a liberal, it is the responsibility of the government to make sure you get ahead. Conservatives believe in a thing called "personal responsibility" where you succeed or fail based on your own drive and initiative.

/bootstrappy


That is what they say they want...and the poor ones probably do. But the wealthy ones....the conservatives that actually matter in this issue, get laws passed that help them stay on top and work to prevent people on the bottom to work their way up.
 
2012-04-19 09:18:47 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: You should be embarrassed that I don't have you on ignore. It means I don't think you're trolling, I think you're a farking idiot.


Pretty much this. You know you're just lame if, after trying so hard, I haven't made you invisible. Ignore from me is almost a compliment compared to the treatment this one gets.
 
2012-04-19 09:18:58 AM
Personal responsibility for some, massive tax breaks for others! It's the Republican way.
 
2012-04-19 09:19:12 AM

bulldg4life: BillCo: That sums it up as well as anything i can think of

Let's be honest, though, how much can you really think of when you're just trolling political threads on a website day in and day out?



Well, let's face it, when you're that insane, you get all day to stay home and post due to getting disability and all from the government.
 
2012-04-19 09:19:14 AM

THX 1138: Second paragraph: Shouldn't the "P" in "president" be capitalized?


No, actually. The "P" is only capitalized when it's used as part of a title, as in "President Obama", not when it's used as "the president."

It follows the same rule as "doctor".
 
2012-04-19 09:19:37 AM

Debeo Summa Credo: SecretAgentWoman: While I do agree with Obama on 95% of issues, I am getting tired of the "LOL he's RICH so therefore automatically DUMB" rhetoric. He's dumb, yes, out of touch, yes, but I don't think rich people are automatically bad leaders anymore than black people are. There has got to be a better way to put forth his faults.

Yeah, agreed. I'm disappointed in the anti-rich populist nonsense as well, but he's got an election to win and populism works with idiots. Besides, what are you going to do, vote for Romney?


I also agree to a certain extent. After RTFA, I found the swipe a little cheap and out-of-context with his argument, but Romney is no underdog, and it's not like he hasn't been trying to play the "regular guy" card all throughout the primary.
 
2012-04-19 09:20:42 AM
Obama during speech today: "I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth"... but I know its the taxpayer's responsibility to see that I get one.
 
2012-04-19 09:21:40 AM
ha ha personal responsibility is for poor people
 
2012-04-19 09:22:19 AM

Zerochance: I also agree to a certain extent. After RTFA, I found the swipe a little cheap and out-of-context with his argument, but Romney is no underdog, and it's not like he hasn't been trying to play the "regular guy" card all throughout the primary.


I hear that he's unemployed like a lot of Americans. He's a real man of the people.
 
2012-04-19 09:22:23 AM
I don't care how rich Romney is, nor does it matter.

It's his patronizing "I'm one of the common folks" schtick that I find insulting and condescending.
 
2012-04-19 09:23:29 AM

Muta: I've never heard anyone call Romney dumb. I've heard him called "out of touch with regular people" but never dumb.


He's been called dumb plenty of times. Normally after he says dumb things.

Lupine Chemist: Romney just can't come out and say he's rich. It's actually quire hilarious.


The funniest thing is that he actually does come out and say it. He'll say on TV (and has said during a few of the debates) a line like "I'm not going to apologize for being successful." But then the next day, he goes out and tries to act like a common person instead of the rich guy he is. Nobody (worth listening to, anyway) would give a shiat that he's rich if he stopped trying to act relatable.
 
2012-04-19 09:23:44 AM

SecretAgentWoman: I am getting tired of the "LOL he's RICH so therefore automatically DUMB" rhetoric.


What's your excuse for this dumb post? I mean you probably aren't incredibly rich so
 
2012-04-19 09:23:49 AM

erveek: THX 1138: Second paragraph: Shouldn't the "P" in "president" be capitalized?

No, actually. The "P" is only capitalized when it's used as part of a title, as in "President Obama", not when it's used as "the president."

It follows the same rule as "doctor".


Unless its the Doctor.

/nerd pedantry
 
2012-04-19 09:26:07 AM
I want a president who comes from a long line of birth babies with silver spoons in their mouths. Free Silver Factory! Debt problems be gone
 
2012-04-19 09:26:09 AM

Will-Mun: BillCo: FTFA: There remains a role for government to give everybody a "fair shot," Obama said - not just the wealthy.

That sums it up as well as anything i can think of. In the eyes of a liberal, it is the responsibility of the government to make sure you get ahead. Conservatives believe in a thing called "personal responsibility" where you succeed or fail based on your own drive and initiative.

/bootstrappy

I don't quite think it's like that. I think the Liberal mind is less about the government making sure you get ahead, but simply providing the tools for you to get ahead. Proper education, access to cheap and affordable Health Care, equal opportunities to find work and be guarantee a decent wage. And beyond all that, if all of it fails, a safety net so you don't end up living under an overpass.

In the end, it's still on you to use those tools. You still have a "personal responsibility".

/But then that's just me,


QFT, man.

Plus, I think there's just gotta be some minimum farking standards of living in this country. We're the richest farking country on earth, there's really no reason that anybody should be reduced to living on the streets or out of their cars and scrounging through garbage to eat.

It's about time that we got that rising tide to do their farking job and lift some damn boats.
 
2012-04-19 09:27:04 AM

Zerochance: but Romney is no underdog, and it's not like he hasn't been trying to play the "regular guy" card all throughout the primary.


I think this is the source of Romney's "lol rich guy" woes: he's rich, which certainly isn't a bad thing, but trying to appear to be One of the Guys and utterly failing at doing so. There's a definite streak of tone-deafness coming from Romney on such matters.
 
2012-04-19 09:28:18 AM
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2012-04-19 09:28:27 AM

Jake Havechek: It's his patronizing "I'm one of the common folks" schtick that I find insulting and condescending.


Whats most insulting is that he thinks the American people are stupid enough to buy it.

For once I'd like to see a wealthy guy come out and say

"Yeah, I started on third base. There was never any question that I'd go to the right schools and meet the right people. I've never had to worry about making the rent or whether a check is going to bounce in my entire life. I took a good start and made the best of it but I want to be sure that every American have the same opportunities I had as an accident of birth."

Unfortunately, saying that would lose Romney his base.
 
2012-04-19 09:28:54 AM

LeoffDaGrate: SecretAgentWoman: While I do agree with Obama on 95% of issues, I am getting tired of the "LOL he's RICH so therefore automatically DUMB" rhetoric. He's dumb, yes, out of touch, yes, but I don't think rich people are automatically bad leaders anymore than black people are. There has got to be a better way to put forth his faults.

I will disagree. I can easily see wealthy individuals who inherited most of their wealth being quite ignorant as to the ways of life. They may be booksmart, but not streetwise at all. They are insulated from the hardships that 90% of us deal with every day. They have never had to wonder "will I get fired if I call in sick to work?" "Will I be able to afford this trip to the Doctor?" "Can I make this month's credit card payment?" That, in my eyes, makes them incredibly stupid compared to the rest of the country.


Hell that doesn't take being born rich, it just takes being rich for long enough to believe you always have been. Look At Rick Santorum's infamous response to a lady who asked how she was supposed to afford $1,000/mo for her daughter's medicine. He basically said she just had the wrong rpiorities, after all if you'll pay $1000 for an ipad, why wouldn't you pay $1,000 to save your kid's life (meaning he totally issed the PER MONTH part of her question)

I'm a lucky person, and I make a pretty good income right now, but I have been very poor in my adult life (like on food stamps poor) and while I knew it was only a temporary experience (wife got sick while I was in law school and couldn't work) I am somewhat greatful, in retrospect, that it happened to me. I had a lot of assumptions about how the world worked that were strictly products of my solidly middle-class upbringing. I learned a lot about myself and people in those months, and I hope, I learned a bit of compassion and humility, and stopped assuming that a person's sucess or failure is due entirely to their own merits and that blind luck doesn't often play a role.
 
2012-04-19 09:29:18 AM

FeedTheCollapse: I think this is the source of Romney's "lol rich guy" woes: he's rich, which certainly isn't a bad thing, but trying to appear to be One of the Guys and utterly failing at doing so. There's a definite streak of tone-deafness coming from Romney on such matters.


He's not tone deaf. In fact, he's very good friends with the owners of several major musical instrument manufacturers. Now who has their escargot fork in their redfish?
 
2012-04-19 09:31:13 AM
Obama has been hitting the "rich folk are bad" line a little too hard. Not that he doesn't have a point, its just that its beginning to look like just a "blame the rich" distraction.

He needs to start talking about actual accomplishments and give valid reasons why he needs four more years to finish what he started. He might be doing that for all I know, but I only hear what the news reports, and they always go for the juicy stuff.

Like your mom.
 
2012-04-19 09:31:21 AM

topcon: [obama_chasing_dog.jpg]


Ok, seriously, what the fark is this supposed to mean? Do conservatives actually think that black people eat dogs? I've seen this dog eating thing referenced in two threads now.

Seriously guys, wtf?
 
2012-04-19 09:33:19 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Ok, seriously, what the fark is this supposed to mean? Do conservatives actually think that black people eat dogs? I've seen this dog eating thing referenced in two threads now.


Obama mentioned in his book that he was fed dog as a child in Indonesia once.
 
2012-04-19 09:33:58 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: topcon: [obama_chasing_dog.jpg]

Ok, seriously, what the fark is this supposed to mean? Do conservatives actually think that black people eat dogs? I've seen this dog eating thing referenced in two threads now.

Seriously guys, wtf?


Thread from yesterday.
 
2012-04-19 09:34:21 AM

bulldg4life: Why, on Earth, do you people respond to him as though he is remotely realistic in his comments? Seriously, the only interesting thing is to respond to him as indifferent to his goal enough to try and get him to break character.


He did break character once and showed that he was intentionally trolling.

The mods were quick to delete it.
 
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