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2012-04-19 12:22:45 PM  

Kazan: i have an issue with the positions of the NRA that state that they should never be taken away at all and/or the consequences of their position are such.


That's not the NRA's position, that's a strawman.
 
2012-04-19 12:23:42 PM  
 
2012-04-19 12:23:58 PM  

Kazan: no where did i say anything about opposing people having their rights restored for good behavior after they're stripped for bad behavior. i have an issue with the positions of the NRA that state that they should never be taken away at all and/or the consequences of their position are such.


Funny, I've never seen the NRA adopt that position. You shouldn't have a problem supporting that assertion, given how flustered you are about it.

Primum: Sueng Cho and Jared Laughner. Able to buy firearms even though completely insane.

This is what the NRA supports:

[www.10news.com image 320x240]

The murder of innocents.


Cho should have been barred from purchasing his guns, but the courts failed to do their job and submit his mental health issues to the NICS.

Loughner's community college and Pima County law enforcement/courts failed to take any action and did not take Loughner to court. His Army rejection as being unfit for military service is considered confidential information and legally cannot be disclosed in most cases.

The NRA has its problems, but slandering 4 million people is wrong and you should feel bad.
 
2012-04-19 12:26:03 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Poll after poll since the early 90s has shown that a majority of Americans favor stricter gun control measures.


Not saying you are wrong, but I am going to ask for a 'Citation Needed' here. Please do not use the Brady polls, either.
 
2012-04-19 12:26:03 PM  

Doc Daneeka: It disturbes me that gun owners are so dumb and/or paranoid that they can be so easily and predictably frightened by the Democratic boogeyman, who has clearly done nothing and will do nothing to take away their guns.


It all comes down to race, and I don't mean that OMG the POTUS is black. They hate black & brown people so much that the Democratic Party inherits all the venom. Anything the Democrats are for, they will be against. They support the GOP which creates tax law which practically require offshoring due to the favorable tax status of investing overseas without ever repatriating the profits. They rail against the social safety net, which is overwhelmingly going toward red states. They complain about government spending, but again red states are the big winners on the tax vs spending equation by state. The GOP has played the long-con on America. And yes, they are the greatest threat to the Union since the Confederacy.
 
2012-04-19 12:26:05 PM  
Well, duh. The NRA had gone from gun rights advocacy to domestic terrorism pretty quickly. All it took was a black guy winning an election.
 
2012-04-19 12:28:02 PM  

Diogenes:
I don't think they're hatred of Obama is entirely motivated by 2nd Amendment concerns. But they sure do relish the idea of exercising their 2nd Amendment rights to express their distaste for the man.


Right, because anyone that disagrees with President Obama's polices is automatically a racist. Gotcha.
 
2012-04-19 12:28:30 PM  
These guys are a few beers away from being a lynch mob.
 
2012-04-19 12:30:10 PM  

Rapmaster2000: [www.boingboing.net image 480x360]

I'm still trying to figure out what a Lesbian Luncheon is. Sounds dirty.


Lots of fish tacos.
 
2012-04-19 12:30:32 PM  

HeadLever: Doc Daneeka: Poll after poll since the early 90s has shown that a majority of Americans favor stricter gun control measures.

Not saying you are wrong, but I am going to ask for a 'Citation Needed' here. Please do not use the Brady polls, either.


I'm guessing he's going to pull out something about regulating "assault weapons." Because really, we should defer to the judgement of the unwashed masses, the vast majority of whom are unable to define "assault weapon," when it comes to whether or not we should adopt measures put forth by people who themselves can't define "assault weapon" and deliberately conflate the terms "assault rifle," "assault weapon," and "machine gun" in order to deliberately confuse the soccer moms of America.
 
2012-04-19 12:30:44 PM  

Poutine Breath: These guys are a few beers away from being a lynch mob.


You mean they currently don't drink. I am pretty sure that most of them have had 'a few beers' in the past. Maybe I am just missing all the news stories about these lynchings?
 
2012-04-19 12:31:06 PM  

hillbillypharmacist: The cockles of my heart have been warmed.


Ah yes, the clams of your heart.
 
2012-04-19 12:33:12 PM  

HeadLever: That seems a little off. A quick call to the ATF (who typically is in charge of these cases) would have squashed that in no time. Unless he had an inside source at the ATF as well.


I know it sounds off, but North Las Vegas used to be like one of those feudal southern counties you only see in Roger Corman films. This swap meet was protected by every bad cop in town (pretty much all of them). This was where they came to sell the stuff they stole. They've cleaned up a lot in the last decade, but if somebody robs your home or place of business, this is the first place you go to try and find your stuff.
 
2012-04-19 12:34:32 PM  

dittybopper: hillbillypharmacist: actualhuman: Isn't this the same speech we at fark were criticizing for being too hard right for what it is now essentially the general election?

Hard right is milquetoast for those bastards.

You mean the moderate gun rights organization that is the NRA?


i75.photobucket.com

Moving on...

Lando Lincoln: I just do not farking get the intense hatred over Obama. Other than him being black and a Democrat. He's a centrist. He's reduced our taxes. He's trying to get us more energy independent from foreign oil. There is NOTHING about this guy that screams "radical liberal!" other than the voices in certain people's heads.


It is far easier to forgive someone for being wrong than it is to forgive someone for being right. After 8 long, dark years of the Republicans getting everything they ever wanted we were in a world of hurt, and then the democrats showed up to start digging us out of that hole. Every success, every act, every moment that Obama exists is the pain and anguish of the fallen champion. Worse still, the liberals aren't even gloating that much. The right gloated and giggled and strutted and wanked over their victories in the Bush years and the opposition doesn't even have the decency to act just as bad as they did.
 
2012-04-19 12:35:41 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Poll after poll since the early 90s has shown that a majority of Americans favor stricter gun control measures.


For what reason are you lying?
 
2012-04-19 12:35:46 PM  

JAYoung:
All of us will blow you away if you break into our house, but only the black gun crowd wants to go hunting for minorities on the streets.


Sounds like you have never been to a SF Bay Area gun range. I would say 2/3 of the folks shooting what you call "black guns" are what would traditionally be termed "Minorities", primarily Asian and Hispanic. What "minorities" do they want to go hunting in the streets?
 
2012-04-19 12:35:46 PM  
href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7058321/76322919#c76322919" target="_blank">OregonVet: stpauler: Yes, because all of the anti-gun legislation Obama has pushed through in his first term. Oh, you remember that big bill that he didn't mention or didn't pass or didn't sign or didn't rally for. You don't? Well, shut up commie.

LOL^


Yeah, because diplomacy with Russia over the missile defense shield along their borders totally relates to the Obama's policies on gun control.
 
2012-04-19 12:36:10 PM  

HeadLever: Doc Daneeka: Poll after poll since the early 90s has shown that a majority of Americans favor stricter gun control measures.

Not saying you are wrong, but I am going to ask for a 'Citation Needed' here. Please do not use the Brady polls, either.


TWO-THIRDS OF AMERICANS FAVOR STRICTER GUN CONTROL LAWS (CBS News / NY Times 2007)

Americans favor stricter gun control (USA Today/Gallup 2011)

Although some polling has shown support dropping in recent years. Now is closer to an even split.

pewresearch.org

pewresearch.org
 
2012-04-19 12:36:38 PM  

Fark It: HeadLever: Doc Daneeka: Poll after poll since the early 90s has shown that a majority of Americans favor stricter gun control measures.

Not saying you are wrong, but I am going to ask for a 'Citation Needed' here. Please do not use the Brady polls, either.

I'm guessing he's going to pull out something about regulating "assault weapons." Because really, we should defer to the judgement of the unwashed masses, the vast majority of whom are unable to define "assault weapon," when it comes to whether or not we should adopt measures put forth by people who themselves can't define "assault weapon" and deliberately conflate the terms "assault rifle," "assault weapon," and "machine gun" in order to deliberately confuse the soccer moms of America.


The assault weapons ban expired nearly a decade ago, and not a single tear was shed for its passing. I don't see anyone clamoring to get it back, if for no other reason than it simply wouldn't survive SCOTUS scrutiny (not to mention it being politically poisonous).
 
2012-04-19 12:38:15 PM  

Poopspasm: I don't see anyone clamoring to get it back, if for no other reason than it simply wouldn't survive SCOTUS scrutiny (not to mention it being politically poisonous).


A few politicians, including Attorney General Eric Holder, have advocated its reinstatement.
 
2012-04-19 12:38:40 PM  

Dimensio: Doc Daneeka: Poll after poll since the early 90s has shown that a majority of Americans favor stricter gun control measures.

For what reason are you lying?


For what reason are you attacking a strawman?

I said "stricter gun control measures." Not "handgun ban."

The former doesn't necessarily involve the latter.
 
2012-04-19 12:39:41 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I'm still trying to figure out what a Lesbian Luncheon is. Sounds dirty.


Their dicks are so small they hate lesbians because it upsets them that a woman can please another woman better than they can. Hence also the big trucks that haven't seen a load and too many phallus guns.
 
2012-04-19 12:41:30 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Dimensio: Doc Daneeka: Poll after poll since the early 90s has shown that a majority of Americans favor stricter gun control measures.

For what reason are you lying?

For what reason are you attacking a strawman?

I said "stricter gun control measures." Not "handgun ban."

The former doesn't necessarily involve the latter.


The article that I referenced addressed "gun control measures" in general. While a poll relating to handgun regulations was the forefront of the article, it was not the only subject.
 
2012-04-19 12:41:33 PM  

Fark It: Funny, I've never seen the NRA adopt that position. You shouldn't have a problem supporting that assertion, given how flustered you are about it.


the NRA takes an "individual right" interpretation. that is the consequence of that position.
 
2012-04-19 12:42:22 PM  

bonefish: Rapmaster2000: I'm still trying to figure out what a Lesbian Luncheon is. Sounds dirty.

Their dicks are so small they hate lesbians because it upsets them that a woman can please another woman better than they can. Hence also the big trucks that haven't seen a load and too many phallus guns.


What is a "phallus gun"? Is it a device intended to launch phalluses? I am unfamiliar with such devices.
 
2012-04-19 12:42:36 PM  
Burke is a loud and boastful retired lance corporal...

I don't know if I'd boast about only making it to lance corporal by retirement.
 
2012-04-19 12:42:42 PM  
I am an avid hunter. My families ranch depends largely on guided hunting. I'm feverishly protective of 2nd amendment rights. And ... I'm 100% comfortable with Obama's record as President on 2nd amendment issues. And if I weren't comfortable with it, that would make me either a lying, partisan asshat, or shamefully misinformed.
 
2012-04-19 12:43:13 PM  

Dimensio: Poopspasm: I don't see anyone clamoring to get it back, if for no other reason than it simply wouldn't survive SCOTUS scrutiny (not to mention it being politically poisonous).

A few politicians, including Attorney General Eric Holder, have advocated its reinstatement.


Yeah, I know about Holder, but he's not really in a good place to write legislation. Also, if his position was elected instead of appointed, I get the feeling that tune would be different.

I guess my point (poorly stated) was that no one is going to want their name on the legislation that would become Assault Weapons Ban, Part Deux.
 
2012-04-19 12:44:16 PM  

SkinnyHead: "Stand your ground" laws are not radical or extreme. Most states have them. People shouldn't have to "retreat to the wall" before they're allowed to defend themselves.


GTFO my Fark, newfriend
 
2012-04-19 12:44:39 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Dimensio: Doc Daneeka: Poll after poll since the early 90s has shown that a majority of Americans favor stricter gun control measures.

For what reason are you lying?

For what reason are you attacking a strawman?

I said "stricter gun control measures." Not "handgun ban."

The former doesn't necessarily involve the latter.


No, but the former does involve polls (that you submitted) that do not have numbers constituting a "majority". Poll after poll, eh? 46% is not a majority.
 
2012-04-19 12:44:44 PM  

spiderpaz: I am an avid hunter. My families ranch depends largely on guided hunting. I'm feverishly protective of 2nd amendment rights. And ... I'm 100% comfortable with Obama's record as President on 2nd amendment issues. And if I weren't comfortable with it, that would make me either a lying, partisan asshat, or shamefully misinformed.


^^^^
 
2012-04-19 12:45:27 PM  

Dimensio: What is a "phallus gun"?


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-04-19 12:48:46 PM  

Doc Daneeka: TWO-THIRDS OF AMERICANS FAVOR STRICTER GUN CONTROL LAWS (CBS News / NY Times 2007)


That is limited to handguns. Plus, I also wonder what happened in April of 2007 that may impact this study (also conducted in April of 2007)?

Americans favor stricter gun control (USA Today/Gallup 2011)

Fail, not a majority. per TFA:
Ask what they think the one or two most important things that could be done to prevent mass shootings in the USA, 24% of adults selected stricter gun control laws, 15% favored better mental health screening, 9% favored more education for children about violence and the proper use of guns, and 8% favored more extensive background checks for gun purchasers.
 
2012-04-19 12:50:04 PM  

Fart_Machine: Dimensio: What is a "phallus gun"?


I never realized, until I saw that cover, that KISS was the ICP of their day.
 
2012-04-19 12:50:05 PM  

SN1987a goes boom: I don't know if I'd boast about only making it to lance corporal by retirement.


Mostly when someone retires at a low rank it is because of injury in the line of duty that forces them out of active service and doesn't necessarily have to be combat related either. It's not even all that uncommon. They get a retiree ID card, certain privileges, etc. Some are even given the choice of a lump sum or monthly income (which isn't much on an E3 salary).
 
2012-04-19 12:52:17 PM  

Poopspasm: Dimensio: Poopspasm: I don't see anyone clamoring to get it back, if for no other reason than it simply wouldn't survive SCOTUS scrutiny (not to mention it being politically poisonous).

A few politicians, including Attorney General Eric Holder, have advocated its reinstatement.

Yeah, I know about Holder, but he's not really in a good place to write legislation. Also, if his position was elected instead of appointed, I get the feeling that tune would be different.

I guess my point (poorly stated) was that no one is going to want their name on the legislation that would become Assault Weapons Ban, Part Deux.


You are evidently unfamiliar with Representative Carolyn "Shoulder Thing That Goes Up" McCarthy (D-umbass).
 
2012-04-19 12:53:01 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Doc Daneeka: Dimensio: Doc Daneeka: Poll after poll since the early 90s has shown that a majority of Americans favor stricter gun control measures.

For what reason are you lying?

For what reason are you attacking a strawman?

I said "stricter gun control measures." Not "handgun ban."

The former doesn't necessarily involve the latter.

No, but the former does involve polls (that you submitted) that do not have numbers constituting a "majority". Poll after poll, eh? 46% is not a majority.


The data that he referenced also suggests a declining, rather than increasing, trend of support.
 
2012-04-19 12:53:39 PM  

OregonVet: SN1987a goes boom: I don't know if I'd boast about only making it to lance corporal by retirement.

Mostly when someone retires at a low rank it is because of injury in the line of duty that forces them out of active service and doesn't necessarily have to be combat related either. It's not even all that uncommon. They get a retiree ID card, certain privileges, etc. Some are even given the choice of a lump sum or monthly income (which isn't much on an E3 salary).


I guess that makes sense. I was thinking that this guy somehow went the full 20 as a LC.
 
2012-04-19 12:53:49 PM  

Poopspasm: I don't see anyone clamoring to get it back,


Obama floated it back in 2009. Thankfully, it was shot down pretty quickly.

Currently, the most political pressure is coming from beyond our borders
 
2012-04-19 12:53:52 PM  

theorellior: Fart_Machine: Dimensio: What is a "phallus gun"?

I never realized, until I saw that cover, that KISS was the ICP of their day.


Farking tongues, how do they work?
 
2012-04-19 12:55:21 PM  

SkinnyHead: Derp


Go Away
 
2012-04-19 12:55:57 PM  

Dimensio: You are evidently unfamiliar with Representative Carolyn "Shoulder Thing That Goes Up" McCarthy (D-umbass).


LOL classic.
 
2012-04-19 12:59:20 PM  

HeadLever: Poopspasm: I don't see anyone clamoring to get it back,

Obama floated it back in 2009. Thankfully, it was shot down pretty quickly.

Currently, the most political pressure is coming from beyond our borders


Well, I wouldn't put it past some of the simpletons in congress, but I certainly hope we don't start letting the Mexican president write our laws...
 
2012-04-19 01:01:52 PM  

Doc Daneeka: HeadLever: Doc Daneeka: Poll after poll since the early 90s has shown that a majority of Americans favor stricter gun control measures.

Not saying you are wrong, but I am going to ask for a 'Citation Needed' here. Please do not use the Brady polls, either.

TWO-THIRDS OF AMERICANS FAVOR STRICTER GUN CONTROL LAWS (CBS News / NY Times 2007)

Americans favor stricter gun control (USA Today/Gallup 2011)

Although some polling has shown support dropping in recent years. Now is closer to an even split.

[pewresearch.org image 380x406]

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One of the problems is it seems like most of the gun laws being argued are state-level. I live in Texas, I would prefer some tougher restrictions than, well, this:
i75.photobucket.com

But then there are states that want to turn into London, which doesn't work either.
 
2012-04-19 01:02:10 PM  

SN1987a goes boom: I was thinking that this guy somehow went the full 20 as a LC.


It's very rare, but not unheard of. And generally someone getting into a fair amount of trouble, but notsomuch that warrants expulsion or jail. (Think upper NCO in rehab that gets a DUI or something along that lines, gets busted down and offered retirement.) Depending on what is the current policy, mileage varies, if a person is stagnant in rank too long, they may get forced out and not allowed to retire.
 
2012-04-19 01:03:11 PM  

Dimensio: Poopspasm: Dimensio: Poopspasm: I don't see anyone clamoring to get it back, if for no other reason than it simply wouldn't survive SCOTUS scrutiny (not to mention it being politically poisonous).

A few politicians, including Attorney General Eric Holder, have advocated its reinstatement.

Yeah, I know about Holder, but he's not really in a good place to write legislation. Also, if his position was elected instead of appointed, I get the feeling that tune would be different.

I guess my point (poorly stated) was that no one is going to want their name on the legislation that would become Assault Weapons Ban, Part Deux.

You are evidently unfamiliar with Representative Carolyn "Shoulder Thing That Goes Up" McCarthy (D-umbass).


I have to be honest. The shoulder thing sounds like it should be familiar, but the name doesn't ring a bell. I'll google her later today. I guess some of the old gun grabbers survive yet. I still contest their ability to pass meaningful legislation though. The second is more or less out of bounds (rightfully so) as far as mainstream politics are concerned.
 
2012-04-19 01:03:12 PM  

Kazan: the NRA takes an "individual right" interpretation. that is the consequence of that position.


The Supreme Court also takes that position.

I'd like you to back up your assertion:

i have an issue with the positions of the NRA that state that they should never be taken away at all and/or the consequences of their position are such.

Can you back up this statement? When has it ever been the position of the NRA to allow the mentally ill to own guns?

/liar
 
2012-04-19 01:06:19 PM  
I guess I'm the only one who doesn't get the headline.
 
2012-04-19 01:06:23 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Also, this issue is a prime example of enthusiasm gap.

Poll after poll since the early 90s has shown that a majority of Americans favor stricter gun control measures.


If you said "Polls in the early 90s" I would agree with you. Since then that number has dropped sharply, to the point that "More gun laws" is the minority.

Pew Research Center, showing it is even pro and con
CBS News where "less strict" and "Leave it alone" are higher than "More strict"
2010 Gallup that has the same result
CNN Referencing a different Galup poll from 2009, same results.

Most of these "Do Nothing" is pretty much tied with "More strict gun laws", within the margin of error, with another ~15% wanting less strict. Any way you cut it, stricter gun control is not the majority any more.
 
2012-04-19 01:07:45 PM  
I haven't seen a greater collection of white, middle aged, mouth-breathing, rednecks in quite a while.

I bought some tennis shoes this morning. You should have who was standing around in the store not buying anything.

I haven't seen a greater collection of black, young, baby-daddy, thugs in quite a while.
 
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