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2012-04-19 08:58:57 AM
It was not, however, like being raped, despite all the furor-generating headlines and "Doonesbury" cartoons that were printed.

Uh dumbass, that's because for you it was consensual. You wanted the procedure done. For other women the government passed a law saying a long rod must be shoved up their hoo-hah against their will. That's called rape. Government mandated rape.
 
2012-04-19 08:59:36 AM
I stepped out of my skirt and onto an examination table

Aaaand, I'm spent.
 
2012-04-19 09:19:03 AM
"It wasn't quite rape. It was painful, uncomfortable and it was a gigantic hard object shoved up inside me, but it wasn't quite rape."

Yes, we get it. We're aware that it isn't actually rape. It's simply the only comparable phrase and gets the point across, particularly the pain and degradation the procedure was intended to cause and was the reason for passing the bills requiring it.
 
2012-04-19 09:55:52 AM
Rats! I was hoping it was Sean Hannity.
 
2012-04-19 10:12:23 AM
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2012-04-19 10:35:49 AM
"It wasn't quite rape. It was painful, uncomfortable and it was a gigantic hard object shoved up inside me, but it wasn't quite rape."

If you don't want to do it, it'll feel a lot more like rape.
 
2012-04-19 10:36:26 AM
Yeah, you like that, don't you, you dirty girl.
 
2012-04-19 10:37:03 AM

GAT_00: "It wasn't quite rape. It was painful, uncomfortable and it was a gigantic hard object shoved up inside me, but it wasn't quite rape."

Yes, we get it. We're aware that it isn't actually rape. It's simply the only comparable phrase and gets the point across, particularly the pain and degradation the procedure was intended to cause and was the reason for passing the bills requiring it.


Have a giant, hard object shoved up one's orifices against one's will is the very definition of rape though.
 
2012-04-19 10:38:19 AM

I read that as



i478.photobucket.com


And was rather confused
 
2012-04-19 10:38:33 AM
Why is it always the ones we DONT want to see do stuff like this that volunteer for stuff like this?
 
2012-04-19 10:40:21 AM
She said rape twice.
 
2012-04-19 10:40:35 AM
As a republican, and a true conservative, I want to be on the record early as saying

Any politician that forces any woman to undergo this should be pulled out into the street and shot without ceremony.

As a father of three, There is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED to do this to a woman. The on the belly sonogram is Just FINE at finding the baby inside.

The very idea of it violates my conservative principles of the government forcing its people to do anything, and i would see it obliterated along with all the people who support it.
 
2012-04-19 10:41:42 AM
Did she cum? That's what everyone is wondering. Don't lie.
 
2012-04-19 10:42:05 AM
The proper medical term is "intrasnatchial", pigmitter...
 
2012-04-19 10:42:38 AM
And waterboarding isn't quite drowning.
 
2012-04-19 10:42:46 AM
So, since the reporter is able to compare her experience of transvaginal ultrasound with rape and say that this is not rape, can we assume that she has, in fact, been raped in the past? Not that I would wish that on anyone, or that I think forcing women to have transvaginal ultrasound performed when it's medically unnecessary is in any way reasonable. Just that if we're going to use the whole "putting-extreme-claims-to-the-test-by-personal-experience" schtick, we can't possibly compare two experiences unless we've experienced both referrents in the comparison. In the same way that all the tough guys who claim "waterboarding isn't torture" and say they'd volunteer to undergo it can't really compare it to other, more obvious forms of torture until they've also been beaten with hoses, suspended by their wrists, or had their nuts shocked with jumper cables run on a car battery.
 
2012-04-19 10:43:27 AM
Is it on Dvd yet?



/public right to know
//her thingamajig
 
2012-04-19 10:43:43 AM

Samaura: As a republican, and a true conservative


does not compute
 
2012-04-19 10:44:18 AM

Samaura: As a republican, and a true conservative, I want to be on the record early as saying

Any politician that forces any woman to undergo this should be pulled out into the street and shot without ceremony.

As a father of three, There is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED to do this to a woman. The on the belly sonogram is Just FINE at finding the baby inside.

The very idea of it violates my conservative principles of the government forcing its people to do anything, and i would see it obliterated along with all the people who support it.



That is a good and true conservative view point. My question is if this is what the republican party is backing, why are you still a republican?



/Not democrat
/Not republican
 
2012-04-19 10:44:31 AM
At lrast its a great video of the blinds behind her.
 
2012-04-19 10:45:05 AM
"Your abortion provider will give you medication for pain and possibly sedation. You will lie on your back with your feet in stirrups and a speculum is inserted to open the vagina. A local anesthetic is administered to your cervix to numb it. Then a tenaculum (surgical instrument with long handles and a clamp at the end) is used to hold the cervix in place for the cervix to be dilated by absorbant rods that vary in size. The rods may also be put in a few days prior to the procedure. When the cervix is wide enough, a cannula, which is a long plastic tube connected to a suction device, is inserted into the uterus to suction out the fetus and placenta. The procedure usually lasts 10-15 minutes, but recovery can require staying at the clinic for a few hours. Your doctor will also give you antibiotics to help prevent infection."

They're worried about the ultrasound? I've had one of these ultrasounds before, they are uncomfortable certainly but it isn't rape and certainly no where near as traumatic as the actual abortion itself.
 
2012-04-19 10:45:07 AM
*least
 
2012-04-19 10:45:13 AM

Headso: Samaura: As a republican, and a true conservative

does not compute


Two party systems limit my successful options.
 
2012-04-19 10:45:39 AM
encrypted-tbn2.google.com
 
2012-04-19 10:47:20 AM

Headso: Samaura: As a republican, and a true conservative

does not compute


There are a few (I used to be one), but the patients have taken over the asylum.
 
2012-04-19 10:48:23 AM

Mr.Hawk: Samaura: As a republican, and a true conservative, I want to be on the record early as saying

Any politician that forces any woman to undergo this should be pulled out into the street and shot without ceremony.

As a father of three, There is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED to do this to a woman. The on the belly sonogram is Just FINE at finding the baby inside.

The very idea of it violates my conservative principles of the government forcing its people to do anything, and i would see it obliterated along with all the people who support it.


That is a good and true conservative view point. My question is if this is what the republican party is backing, why are you still a republican?


Because the democrats are worse to me. I'm fiscal conservative first. Socially moderate/left leaning last.

The republican platform needs people like me to give it some common sense, and without the BULK of their membership thinking as I do, it would be far worse. The headline makers of on liberal programs are not the people i vote for, they are representatives of pyschotic districts that chose a party to win a ticket.
 
2012-04-19 10:48:38 AM

Samaura: As a republican, and a true conservative, I want to be on the record early as saying

Any politician that forces any woman to undergo this should be pulled out into the street and shot without ceremony.

As a father of three, There is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED to do this to a woman. The on the belly sonogram is Just FINE at finding the baby inside.

The very idea of it violates my conservative principles of the government forcing its people to do anything, and i would see it obliterated along with all the people who support it.


RINO
 
2012-04-19 10:50:00 AM
Why did her shirt have to be black? Not gonna lie, kinda ruined the transvaginal ultrasound for me.
 
2012-04-19 10:50:10 AM

Funbags: Samaura: As a republican, and a true conservative, I want to be on the record early as saying

Any politician that forces any woman to undergo this should be pulled out into the street and shot without ceremony.

As a father of three, There is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED to do this to a woman. The on the belly sonogram is Just FINE at finding the baby inside.

The very idea of it violates my conservative principles of the government forcing its people to do anything, and i would see it obliterated along with all the people who support it.

RINO


So let it be written, so let it be done.
We are the ones that have common sense, and offer everyone freedom of choice, economically and socially.
 
2012-04-19 10:50:27 AM
I'm still trying to work out how these worthless, inhumane, woman-hating, selfish, empathyless, sociopathic shiat-stained farkbags get to practice medicine without a license, because that's what passing a law mandating specific medical procedures in response to a specific biological condition sure as shiat seems to be, at least to me. Individuals pretending to be doctors get to go to jail sometimes, but I guess if you get enough people together in your ignorant little hate-clan, it gets called "legislating."

The same question pertains not only to "law"makers, but also to insurance admin pinheads with approval/denial power, but I digress.
 
2012-04-19 10:50:38 AM

Headso: Samaura: As a republican, and a true conservative

does not compute


Not since Barry Goldwater's brain turned to Aerogel, no, it doesn't.

But conservatives once didn't have Jeebus on auto-select, and also didn't care about what women, or men for that matter, did with their bodies, as long as they liked free enterprise and saluted the little American flags.

I miss those guys. They used to be able to count, and would occasionally give the Mint's printing presses a day off.
 
2012-04-19 10:51:24 AM

GAT_00: "It wasn't quite rape. It was painful, uncomfortable and it was a gigantic hard object shoved up inside me, but it wasn't quite rape."

Yes, we get it. We're aware that it isn't actually rape. It's simply the only comparable phrase and gets the point across, particularly the pain and degradation the procedure was intended to cause and was the reason for passing the bills requiring it.


Only if the definition being used is RAPE rape, you know, dark alley at night with a knife to the throat. I think rape is an acceptable term for penetration against one's will even if it's a medical device.
 
2012-04-19 10:51:31 AM

Samaura: As a republican, and a true conservative, I want to be on the record early as saying

Any politician that forces any woman to undergo this should be pulled out into the street and shot without ceremony.

As a father of three, There is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED to do this to a woman. The on the belly sonogram is Just FINE at finding the baby inside.

The very idea of it violates my conservative principles of the government forcing its people to do anything, and i would see it obliterated along with all the people who support it.


This has always puzzled me about conservatives - that they claim to be dedicated to limited government and individual freedoms but support measures that allow people to be strip-searched at random traffic stops, felt-up at the airport, publically condemned for being homosexual, locked-up for selling/smoking marijuana, maced while protesting, racially-profiled in the name of national security and turned away due to what can only be described as the basest form of racism and bigotry.

I won't pretend that liberals don't display similar types of hypocrisy, but it is a lot more obvious in the American conservative movement and the Republican party in general.
 
2012-04-19 10:51:35 AM

misanthropologist: So, since the reporter is able to compare her experience of transvaginal ultrasound with rape and say that this is not rape, can we assume that she has, in fact, been raped in the past? Not that I would wish that on anyone, or that I think forcing women to have transvaginal ultrasound performed when it's medically unnecessary is in any way reasonable. Just that if we're going to use the whole "putting-extreme-claims-to-the-test-by-personal-experience" schtick, we can't possibly compare two experiences unless we've experienced both referrents in the comparison. In the same way that all the tough guys who claim "waterboarding isn't torture" and say they'd volunteer to undergo it can't really compare it to other, more obvious forms of torture until they've also been beaten with hoses, suspended by their wrists, or had their nuts shocked with jumper cables run on a car battery.


Let me re-do that... here's the quote:
But it wasn't like being raped - and using language like that not only minimizes rape for its survivors but makes them and other women more frightened of the procedure, which has significant and important medical uses.

Since she's basing her assertion that TVU is not like being raped, we must assume that she has been raped and is speaking from experience. Otherwise, it's just a bit of bullshiat.

More importantly, as someone else mentioned, she did this consensually, even though it was medically unnecessary. And there's the catch, the reason why idiots who go around claiming that rape is just sex are idiots, the reason why the extremist feminists who claim that all sex is rape are also idiots, and the reason why her analogy and criticism of the people claiming that legally-mandated, medically-unnecessary TVU is like rape falls down. The key issue in rape is not sex, or penetration. It's consent. The question in a rape case is never "well, did you actually have sex?" the question is always whether you consented to sex. That's why "date-rape" has been so conceptually contentious and legally problematic - the question of consent is in dispute. This article does more to devalue the experience of rape than the claims that mandatory TVU laws impose rape, because it totally misses that consent, not penetration, comfort, or even enjoyment (or, in this case, medical necessity) is the real issue.
 
2012-04-19 10:52:42 AM

Samaura: We are the ones that have common sense, and offer everyone freedom of choice, economically and socially.


farm1.static.flickr.com
 
2012-04-19 10:53:08 AM
She only said rape once.



Kennedy is president and Trig is King of the frozen tundra
 
2012-04-19 10:53:13 AM

Samaura: Because the democrats are worse to me. I'm fiscal conservative first. Socially moderate/left leaning last.


Oh, you poor dear. Has no one told you that the republicans aren't fiscally sound either?
 
2012-04-19 10:53:46 AM

Kar98: GAT_00: "It wasn't quite rape. It was painful, uncomfortable and it was a gigantic hard object shoved up inside me, but it wasn't quite rape."

Yes, we get it. We're aware that it isn't actually rape. It's simply the only comparable phrase and gets the point across, particularly the pain and degradation the procedure was intended to cause and was the reason for passing the bills requiring it.

Have a giant, hard object shoved up one's orifices against one's will is the very definition of rape though.


Except this isn't against their will. It's part of the stipulation of having the medical procedure done. You're consenting to the procedure in order to have the abortion. Since no one is forcing you to have the abortion, no one is forcing you to have a transvaginal ultrasound. The day someone is forced to have an abortion is the day that the accompanying transvaginal ultrasound is rape.
 
2012-04-19 10:53:57 AM
What the fark is everyone's prob with abortion?

My mom tried to abort me, you should've seen the look on her face when I came out waterskiing on that clothes hanger.
 
2012-04-19 10:55:15 AM

misanthropologist: So, since the reporter is able to compare her experience of transvaginal ultrasound with rape and say that this is not rape, can we assume that she has, in fact, been raped in the past? Not that I would wish that on anyone, or that I think forcing women to have transvaginal ultrasound performed when it's medically unnecessary is in any way reasonable. Just that if we're going to use the whole "putting-extreme-claims-to-the-test-by-personal-experience" schtick, we can't possibly compare two experiences unless we've experienced both referrents in the comparison. In the same way that all the tough guys who claim "waterboarding isn't torture" and say they'd volunteer to undergo it can't really compare it to other, more obvious forms of torture until they've also been beaten with hoses, suspended by their wrists, or had their nuts shocked with jumper cables run on a car battery.


So, I couldn't say that having a prostate exam is not the same as being raped because I haven't had some dude forcibly stick his dick up my ass?

My wife actually had a transvaginal ultrasound this morning. It was about the 8th time in the last month (we are going through in-vitro treatments). From what I can tell, the reporter describes it well. It is intrusive and can be painful, and should not be imposed on an unwilling woman.
 
2012-04-19 10:56:36 AM

OhLuverly: "Your abortion provider will give you medication for pain and possibly sedation. You will lie on your back with your feet in stirrups and a speculum is inserted to open the vagina. A local anesthetic is administered to your cervix to numb it. Then a tenaculum (surgical instrument with long handles and a clamp at the end) is used to hold the cervix in place for the cervix to be dilated by absorbant rods that vary in size. The rods may also be put in a few days prior to the procedure. When the cervix is wide enough, a cannula, which is a long plastic tube connected to a suction device, is inserted into the uterus to suction out the fetus and placenta. The procedure usually lasts 10-15 minutes, but recovery can require staying at the clinic for a few hours. Your doctor will also give you antibiotics to help prevent infection."

They're worried about the ultrasound? I've had one of these ultrasounds before, they are uncomfortable certainly but it isn't rape and certainly no where near as traumatic as the actual abortion itself.


So what's one more thing they should have to be subjected to, right?
 
2012-04-19 10:57:02 AM

Baryogenesis: Samaura: Because the democrats are worse to me. I'm fiscal conservative first. Socially moderate/left leaning last.

Oh, you poor dear. Has no one told you that the republicans aren't fiscally sound either?


Or they hate black people, old people, kittens, worms, women, ect...


/4 trillion in 8 years compared to 5 trillion in 3 1/2 years... i can see her point.
 
2012-04-19 10:57:09 AM
I think if the party politics were removed from these arguments about women's health, this would likely be considered a good practice regardless of the goal of the mother. Although like many medical mishaps and complications that go unreported for whatever reason, this would help ensure the woman's safety regardless of the procedure she chooses or if she wants to continue with her pregnancy. I'm not entirely sure why the u.s. can't be over the womb. Maybe it's a question of resolution at early stages? I don't know. That being said, information alone should not be considered a negative. I wish when I was younger I had more information.
 
2012-04-19 10:58:31 AM
You know, by straying away from economic issues this close to an election, the GOP is essentially falling on its own sword.
 
2012-04-19 10:59:28 AM

Fallout Zone: So, I couldn't say that having a prostate exam is not the same as being raped because I haven't had some dude forcibly stick his dick up my ass?


Is it being forced on you as a condition for receiving volutary medical treatment?
 
2012-04-19 11:00:26 AM
Dont the women have to have a vacuum stuck up their hoo haws to get the baby out? Its been a while since Ive had to take a GF in for an abortion, probably 1998ish, but has the process changed that much? Is there a big difference between the wand and the vacuum hose? Regardless, Im pretty sure the patient has to consent prior to a doctor sticking anything up their hoo-haws.

/not against abortion, Ive supported the decision and paid for one before.
//Have also seen my buddies just out of jail GF change her mind after the ultrasound. Too bad for him.
 
2012-04-19 11:00:51 AM
Lesson: If you choose sluthood, be ready to deal with the results.
 
2012-04-19 11:03:08 AM

Samaura: Because the democrats are worse to me. I'm fiscal conservative first. Socially moderate/left leaning last.


You do realize lowering taxes and increasing spending isn't fiscally sound, right? Because any time we've given republicans power, that's what they've done.
 
2012-04-19 11:03:30 AM

derpdeederp: Dont the women have to have a vacuum stuck up their hoo haws to get the baby out? Its been a while since Ive had to take a GF in for an abortion, probably 1998ish, but has the process changed that much? Is there a big difference between the wand and the vacuum hose? Regardless, Im pretty sure the patient has to consent prior to a doctor sticking anything up their hoo-haws.

/not against abortion, Ive supported the decision and paid for one before.
//Have also seen my buddies just out of jail GF change her mind after the ultrasound. Too bad for him.


So are you asking; if you are willing to have one unpleasant experience why not submit to two?
 
2012-04-19 11:03:41 AM

Walker: It was not, however, like being raped, despite all the furor-generating headlines and "Doonesbury" cartoons that were printed.

Uh dumbass, that's because for you it was consensual. You wanted the procedure done. For other women the government passed a law saying a long rod must be shoved up their hoo-hah against their will. That's called rape. Government mandated rape.


It's always seemed more like sodomy to me
 
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