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2012-04-19 08:58:23 AM  
Thanks subby for reminding me my mom died six years ago today!

I thought the Flyers were going to have a raffle to see who in the audience were going to put the pads on and man the goal.
 
2012-04-19 09:15:18 AM  
That's six goals they could have used in earlier games.
 
2012-04-19 09:15:21 AM  

Wettner: Thanks subby for reminding me my mom died six years ago today!

I thought the Flyers were going to have a raffle to see who in the audience were going to put the pads on and man the goal.


Hey you, pretzel boy.
 
2012-04-19 09:20:44 AM  

Wettner: Thanks subby for reminding me my mom died six years ago today!

I thought the Flyers were going to have a raffle to see who in the audience were going to put the pads on and man the goal.


I saw the score and assumed the Pens were using my suggested desperation ploy. Suit up Matt Cooke and assume the Flyers would shoot at him instead of the net out of habit. Fleur isn't covering himself with glory.

Odds are the Flyers threw that game to get a shot at Neal.
 
2012-04-19 09:25:14 AM  
knightofargh:

Odds are the Flyers threw that game to get a shot at Neal.

You think so? I don't know who would tank a game against a team in the playoffs just to get at one player. Wouldn't it be better vindication to eliminate the Penguins so Neal didn't play again this season?

I feel the Flyers got too confident and started to turn into the Penguins from the first two games (not playing man to man, backing into the zone, stick checking instead of taking the body).
 
2012-04-19 09:30:36 AM  
I saw a pretty nice looking garbage pail in the WFC last night that that looked like it was waiting on the call to go in goal. Also, keep in mind, we brought up Leighton!

This is not a repeat from 2010,2011.......

Anyway, I actually don't think that was a terrible thing for the flyers to drop one, even in that fashion. Lets face it, Bryz has sucked in goal this series, and only one the first 3 because fleury sucked even more. Maybe this gets his head back on straight. Plus if we have to face the rags or in the second round, I'd rather we go in with some momentum vs sitting around for a week.
 
2012-04-19 09:31:00 AM  
The defense and goaltending in this series is atrocious. How were either of these teams among the favorites at the start of the playoffs?
 
2012-04-19 09:32:17 AM  

Wettner: You think so? I don't know who would tank a game against a team in the playoffs just to get at one player. Wouldn't it be better vindication to eliminate the Penguins so Neal didn't play again this season?

I feel the Flyers got too confident and started to turn into the Penguins from the first two games (not playing man to man, backing into the zone, stick checking instead of taking the body).


Philly hates Neal, like the rest of the league hates Cooke. It's possible, I'd imagine there was a biatch fit in the locker room afterward.

Flyers won't live it down if the Pens can overcome a three game deficit. Comebacks like that are the result of sloppy play. I wish the Pens weren't gooning it up. Then again, the Flyers ate a bunch of PPG in this game. There's a lesson about not beating up the other team.
 
2012-04-19 09:34:40 AM  
Hopefully it was just the Flyers being the ultimate trolls, because that defense was HORRIBLE last night.
 
2012-04-19 09:34:44 AM  
Even VanDamme had a better save percentage.
 
2012-04-19 09:34:47 AM  
And also, not that it was an excuse, but the penalty calls were getting way out of hand in that game.
 
2012-04-19 09:39:06 AM  
Starting in goal Friday night for the Flyers:

2.bp.blogspot.com

/C'mon Flyers, don't screw this up!
 
2012-04-19 09:39:57 AM  

pacochu: Even VanDamme had a better save percentage.


I lol'd. +1.
 
2012-04-19 09:42:28 AM  

Wettner: knightofargh:

Odds are the Flyers threw that game to get a shot at Neal.

You think so? I don't know who would tank a game against a team in the playoffs just to get at one player. Wouldn't it be better vindication to eliminate the Penguins so Neal didn't play again this season?

I feel the Flyers got too confident and started to turn into the Penguins from the first two games (not playing man to man, backing into the zone, stick checking instead of taking the body).


no team in the history of the nhl would ever do this.
 
2012-04-19 09:48:23 AM  

knightofargh: Odds are the Flyers threw that game to get a shot at Neal.


totalfootblog.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-04-19 09:48:34 AM  

LineNoise: And also, not that it was an excuse, but the penalty calls were getting way out of hand in that game.


No, the penalty calls were exactly what they should have been. This whole "put the whistles away, its the playoffs" mantra has to stop. If they are going to call the regular season tight, call the playoffs tight as well.

Also, a great job but the refs ejecting any player stirring the pot. Cut down the extra curriculars and forced the teams to just play smart, hard nosed hockey. That is what the fans want, not MMA on skates.
 
2012-04-19 09:56:27 AM  

debbie_does_dishes: LineNoise: And also, not that it was an excuse, but the penalty calls were getting way out of hand in that game.

No, the penalty calls were exactly what they should have been. This whole "put the whistles away, its the playoffs" mantra has to stop. If they are going to call the regular season tight, call the playoffs tight as well.

Also, a great job but the refs ejecting any player stirring the pot. Cut down the extra curriculars and forced the teams to just play smart, hard nosed hockey. That is what the fans want, not MMA on skates.


I disagree on the put the whistles away part. It's been a part of the game forever. It used to be understood that the whole intent was to win the game and advance, not beat the hell out of the guy just because he's wearing different laundry. After game three, I believe hockey ops was sending a message to the Pennsylvanian teams, "If you want to act like children, we'll treat you like children."

That game was refereed tighter than an 8th grade school dance. I DO agree that the refs did a good job on tossing players that were hell bent on doing nothing except trying to incite the other team.
 
kab
2012-04-19 10:03:03 AM  
Nazi refs + bush league goaltending = by far the least interesting game of the entire first round. Hearing the announcers do an overnight about face and suddenly finger wag about any rough play was equally absurd. Go cover golf.

On the other side of the coin, was Rinaldo dropped on his head as a child? "Gee, I can't imagine why I'm being tossed, after shoving this guy in the face while the ref in front of me has his arm up already". Dumbass.
 
2012-04-19 10:03:33 AM  
Come on people.. they only lost by 1 score..

/granted it was a touchdown..
 
2012-04-19 10:04:22 AM  

dustygrimp: The defense and goaltending in this series is atrocious. How were either of these teams among the favorites at the start of the playoffs?


I play ice hockey so let me try to explain.

Sometimes two teams have play styles that just lead to games like this. Its very hard to predict but it looks like both teams enjoy the high risk, high reward gameplay. Neither is backing down from opening up the lanes and spreading their players out.
 
2012-04-19 10:04:53 AM  

soopey: debbie_does_dishes: LineNoise: And also, not that it was an excuse, but the penalty calls were getting way out of hand in that game.

No, the penalty calls were exactly what they should have been. This whole "put the whistles away, its the playoffs" mantra has to stop. If they are going to call the regular season tight, call the playoffs tight as well.

Also, a great job but the refs ejecting any player stirring the pot. Cut down the extra curriculars and forced the teams to just play smart, hard nosed hockey. That is what the fans want, not MMA on skates.

I disagree on the put the whistles away part. It's been a part of the game forever. It used to be understood that the whole intent was to win the game and advance, not beat the hell out of the guy just because he's wearing different laundry. After game three, I believe hockey ops was sending a message to the Pennsylvanian teams, "If you want to act like children, we'll treat you like children."

That game was refereed tighter than an 8th grade school dance. I DO agree that the refs did a good job on tossing players that were hell bent on doing nothing except trying to incite the other team.


My only issue with the way the game was called - and this is true of all playoff series, not just this one - is that ultimately it benefits the team that gets dirty first. They "send a message" for an entire game and after that the refs decide that no messages may be sent for the rest of the series. And it's not as if the Flyers were attacking the Pens best players like the Penguins did to the Flyers.

I feel like the Flyers played as if they didn't know what to expect from the Penguins - more goonery or clean play - and didn't prepare to play the way they had played the rest of the series. They seemed to play more catiously and passively, which led to all the penalties since they were getting outworked. I'm hoping they go to Pittsburgh and play to win the game the way they have the rest of the series by outworking the Penguins.
 
2012-04-19 10:05:35 AM  

debbie_does_dishes: LineNoise: And also, not that it was an excuse, but the penalty calls were getting way out of hand in that game.

No, the penalty calls were exactly what they should have been. This whole "put the whistles away, its the playoffs" mantra has to stop. If they are going to call the regular season tight, call the playoffs tight as well.

Also, a great job but the refs ejecting any player stirring the pot. Cut down the extra curriculars and forced the teams to just play smart, hard nosed hockey. That is what the fans want, not MMA on skates.


I agree refs did a great job.

The only bad call was when they threw cooke out for sitting there and taking a hit.
 
kab
2012-04-19 10:07:04 AM  

debbie_does_dishes: That is what the fans I want


You may want to revisit that whole 'speaking for everyone' thing.
 
2012-04-19 10:16:54 AM  
Philly stopped playing after the "interference" call behind the net.

They took no more chances after that and hardly moved with the puck because it seemed they couldn't even touch an opposing player without something being called.

Behind the scenes politics made the game into a soccer match on ice.

And I'm not "bitter" because Philly lost; I've watched teams I enjoy get utterly destroyed (Caps) and still had a great laugh because at least they were losing in an ice hockey game.

Last night was a team that stopped playing vs a team that saw their opponents being unable to touch them and just used them as a practice squad.

Philly didn't even go near their own net because they were getting called on those plays too.

Even the Pitt fans in the thread last night were staving from trash-talk because it just.... didn't feel like a hockey game.

Curious about Friday, though. Maybe the fervor will have died down and attention won't be on the series as much so they can actually play hockey.
 
2012-04-19 10:20:09 AM  

enforcerpsu: debbie_does_dishes: LineNoise: And also, not that it was an excuse, but the penalty calls were getting way out of hand in that game.

No, the penalty calls were exactly what they should have been. This whole "put the whistles away, its the playoffs" mantra has to stop. If they are going to call the regular season tight, call the playoffs tight as well.

Also, a great job but the refs ejecting any player stirring the pot. Cut down the extra curriculars and forced the teams to just play smart, hard nosed hockey. That is what the fans want, not MMA on skates.

I agree refs did a great job.

The only bad call was when they threw cooke out for sitting there and taking a hit.


They had to throw Cooke out for the good of the game. They know he's an instigator and his continued presence would only make matters worse. They had just as much reason to throw him out as they did when they threw out Simmonds - what the hell did he even do?
 
2012-04-19 10:20:41 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: I feel like the Flyers played as if they didn't know what to expect from the Penguins - more goonery or clean play - and didn't prepare to play the way they had played the rest of the series. They seemed to play more catiously and passively, which led to all the penalties since they were getting outworked.


Spot on assessment. I think you'll also see Zac Rinaldo sit and one of the AHL call ups in his spot. Ben Holmstrom is a pretty gritty defense first center.
 
2012-04-19 10:25:35 AM  

Smiths: Philly stopped playing after the "interference" call behind the net.

They took no more chances after that and hardly moved with the puck because it seemed they couldn't even touch an opposing player without something being called.

Behind the scenes politics made the game into a soccer match on ice.

And I'm not "bitter" because Philly lost; I've watched teams I enjoy get utterly destroyed (Caps) and still had a great laugh because at least they were losing in an ice hockey game.

Last night was a team that stopped playing vs a team that saw their opponents being unable to touch them and just used them as a practice squad.


Hahaha. Tell me again which team had five penalties in the first 15 minutes of the game including three in one minute? Sorry, the game was called tight for both teams. If the Flyers couldn't adjust their game that's their failing, not the refs.
 
2012-04-19 10:29:56 AM  

Smiths: Philly stopped playing after the "interference" call behind the net.

They took no more chances after that and hardly moved with the puck because it seemed they couldn't even touch an opposing player without something being called.

Behind the scenes politics made the game into a soccer match on ice.

And I'm not "bitter" because Philly lost; I've watched teams I enjoy get utterly destroyed (Caps) and still had a great laugh because at least they were losing in an ice hockey game.

Last night was a team that stopped playing vs a team that saw their opponents being unable to touch them and just used them as a practice squad.

Philly didn't even go near their own net because they were getting called on those plays too.

Even the Pitt fans in the thread last night were staving from trash-talk because it just.... didn't feel like a hockey game.

Curious about Friday, though. Maybe the fervor will have died down and attention won't be on the series as much so they can actually play hockey.


Well, the calls were going against both teams very liberally (remember the Pens had 3 guys in the box while orginally on the power play). The difference was that the Pens started playing hockey after they figured it out that they weren't going to be mugged. The second and third games ruined this series, making it something other than hockey.

And the Pens fans weren't saying anything because they are still down 3-1, regardless of the 10 goals the Pens scored.
 
2012-04-19 10:31:38 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: enforcerpsu: debbie_does_dishes: LineNoise: And also, not that it was an excuse, but the penalty calls were getting way out of hand in that game.

No, the penalty calls were exactly what they should have been. This whole "put the whistles away, its the playoffs" mantra has to stop. If they are going to call the regular season tight, call the playoffs tight as well.

Also, a great job but the refs ejecting any player stirring the pot. Cut down the extra curriculars and forced the teams to just play smart, hard nosed hockey. That is what the fans want, not MMA on skates.

I agree refs did a great job.

The only bad call was when they threw cooke out for sitting there and taking a hit.

They had to throw Cooke out for the good of the game. They know he's an instigator and his continued presence would only make matters worse. They had just as much reason to throw him out as they did when they threw out Simmonds - what the hell did he even do?


If you watch that scrum, Simmonds was facewashing anyone he could get close to. I wouldn't have thrown him out, but he was trying to start something, so I guess I could see it.
 
2012-04-19 10:32:47 AM  

SigmaAlgebra: Hahaha. Tell me again which team had five penalties in the first 15 minutes of the game including three in one minute? Sorry, the game was called tight for both teams. If the Flyers couldn't adjust their game that's their failing, not the refs.


true. took them aback cuz they have no other style. They saw Pitt getting called and went "yay you're calling them". then went "wait, you're calling us too? okay we'll try to hit less STOP CALLING US WELL SCREW IT"

Pitt adjusted after they got their initial calls, true that.

still was reffed like pee-wee hockey with helicopter parents.
 
2012-04-19 11:03:10 AM  

Smiths: SigmaAlgebra: Hahaha. Tell me again which team had five penalties in the first 15 minutes of the game including three in one minute? Sorry, the game was called tight for both teams. If the Flyers couldn't adjust their game that's their failing, not the refs.

true. took them aback cuz they have no other style. They saw Pitt getting called and went "yay you're calling them". then went "wait, you're calling us too? okay we'll try to hit less STOP CALLING US WELL SCREW IT"

Pitt adjusted after they got their initial calls, true that.

still was reffed like pee-wee hockey with helicopter parents.


There is no middle ground, this is the NHL!
 
2012-04-19 11:03:43 AM  
Got a text from a friend last night she said "Pens are gonna get killed tonight" at teh 2nd I got a text from her "Whoops I jinxed that". I told her not to predict the Caps or Blackhawks game tonight.
I hope the Pens lose they almost ruined Christmas one year!
 
2012-04-19 11:09:36 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: They had to throw Cooke out for the good of the game. They know he's an instigator and his continued presence would only make matters worse. They had just as much reason to throw him out as they did when they threw out Simmonds - what the hell did he even do?


Despite his deserved reputation as a dirty player and instigator, Cooke hasn't done anything illegal this series. In fact, prior to this game, he had a total of 0 penalty minutes in the series. He basically got ejected for holding the stick and getting crosschecked in the face while he was on his knees. Yet the man who crosschecked him, Kubina, was allowed to stay on the bench after repeating exactly what Rinaldo had done earlier.

I agree that Simmonds didn't deserve to be thrown out either. A 2 minute minor for roughing would have sufficed, though even that may be questionable for simple face washing.
 
2012-04-19 11:12:56 AM  

wantedbadass: I agree that Simmonds didn't deserve to be thrown out either. A 2 minute minor for roughing would have sufficed, though even that may be questionable for simple face washing.


I quit watching before the 3rd period because, well it was awful. What happened with the Malkin/Grossman elbow?
 
2012-04-19 11:15:40 AM  

soopey:


I disagree on the put the whistles away part. It's been a part of the game forever. It used to be understood that the whole intent was to win the game and advance, not beat the hell out of the guy just because he's wearing different laundry. After game three, I believe hockey ops was sending a message to the Pennsylvanian teams, "If you want to act like children, we'll treat you like children."


I only saw one Pennsylvania team acting like children on Sunday.

Nice game by the Pens, but the bigger scoreboard shows a 3-1 hole.

I worry for the Flyers moving forward. That goaltending has to get better.

/that last sentence is a repeat of every playoff year since 1979.
 
2012-04-19 11:28:27 AM  

enforcerpsu: dustygrimp: The defense and goaltending in this series is atrocious. How were either of these teams among the favorites at the start of the playoffs?

I play ice hockey so let me try to explain.

Sometimes two teams have play styles that just lead to games like this. Its very hard to predict but it looks like both teams enjoy the high risk, high reward gameplay. Neither is backing down from opening up the lanes and spreading their players out.


So what you are saying is that the D and goaltending sucks by design? Got it. Good to know. So... How were either of these teams among the favorites at the start of the playoffs?
 
2012-04-19 11:41:53 AM  
They could have lost 100-3 and they would still have a 3-1 series lead so if you discount confidence or momentum the game doesn't really matter. I figure the players can chalk it up to a bad day and move on to the next one. It'd be interesting to see the Flyers win the series with a negative goal differential.
 
2012-04-19 12:29:56 PM  

enforcerpsu: Sometimes two teams have play styles that just lead to games like this. Its very hard to predict but it looks like both teams enjoy the high risk, high reward gameplay. Neither is backing down from opening up the lanes and spreading their players out.


That might explain the defence, but not the goaltending. Plenty of the goals have been absolutely atrocious that most NHL-caliber goalies can stop in their sleep. The first Philly goal yesterday was terrible.
 
2012-04-19 12:36:19 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: enforcerpsu: debbie_does_dishes: LineNoise: And also, not that it was an excuse, but the penalty calls were getting way out of hand in that game.

No, the penalty calls were exactly what they should have been. This whole "put the whistles away, its the playoffs" mantra has to stop. If they are going to call the regular season tight, call the playoffs tight as well.

Also, a great job but the refs ejecting any player stirring the pot. Cut down the extra curriculars and forced the teams to just play smart, hard nosed hockey. That is what the fans want, not MMA on skates.

I agree refs did a great job.

The only bad call was when they threw cooke out for sitting there and taking a hit.

They had to throw Cooke out for the good of the game. They know he's an instigator and his continued presence would only make matters worse. They had just as much reason to throw him out as they did when they threw out Simmonds - what the hell did he even do?


They had no reason to throw him out. The excuse that he is an instigator is BS. That's like putting someone in jail today because they might commit a crime tomorrow.
 
2012-04-19 12:37:54 PM  

GavinTheAlmighty: enforcerpsu: Sometimes two teams have play styles that just lead to games like this. Its very hard to predict but it looks like both teams enjoy the high risk, high reward gameplay. Neither is backing down from opening up the lanes and spreading their players out.

That might explain the defence, but not the goaltending. Plenty of the goals have been absolutely atrocious that most NHL-caliber goalies can stop in their sleep. The first Philly goal yesterday was terrible.


Agreed. I don't know what's going with the goal tending.
 
2012-04-19 12:39:46 PM  

dustygrimp: enforcerpsu: dustygrimp: The defense and goaltending in this series is atrocious. How were either of these teams among the favorites at the start of the playoffs?

I play ice hockey so let me try to explain.

Sometimes two teams have play styles that just lead to games like this. Its very hard to predict but it looks like both teams enjoy the high risk, high reward gameplay. Neither is backing down from opening up the lanes and spreading their players out.

So what you are saying is that the D and goaltending sucks by design? Got it. Good to know. So... How were either of these teams among the favorites at the start of the playoffs?


A good offense is more then enough to win hockey games. Trust me. When the other team is backing down the entire game you will probably win. However, that system had flaws. We can see it in this series.
 
2012-04-19 12:48:27 PM  

enforcerpsu: AdmirableSnackbar: enforcerpsu: debbie_does_dishes: LineNoise: And also, not that it was an excuse, but the penalty calls were getting way out of hand in that game.

No, the penalty calls were exactly what they should have been. This whole "put the whistles away, its the playoffs" mantra has to stop. If they are going to call the regular season tight, call the playoffs tight as well.

Also, a great job but the refs ejecting any player stirring the pot. Cut down the extra curriculars and forced the teams to just play smart, hard nosed hockey. That is what the fans want, not MMA on skates.

I agree refs did a great job.

The only bad call was when they threw cooke out for sitting there and taking a hit.

They had to throw Cooke out for the good of the game. They know he's an instigator and his continued presence would only make matters worse. They had just as much reason to throw him out as they did when they threw out Simmonds - what the hell did he even do?

They had no reason to throw him out. The excuse that he is an instigator is BS. That's like putting someone in jail today because they might commit a crime tomorrow.


And they had no reason to throw Simmonds out, either. They basically threw out anyone who looked at an opposing player the wrong way after the whistle, and Cooke was stirring shiat up by chirping at the Flyers. It wasn't because he did anything, it was because his continued presence in the game was only going to lead to more crap after the whistle. You might not like it, but it was the correct call by the officials. When two guys get tossed out of a game after an altercation with the same player, you might as well toss the guy who is actively trying to get people to react to him too just to cool everyone down.
 
2012-04-19 01:06:11 PM  

Time Traveling Bunnies: I quit watching before the 3rd period because, well it was awful. What happened with the Malkin/Grossman elbow?


Nothing as of right now, though I think it should be reviewed. Apparently Grossman was actually injured on a hit from Letang earlier in the 1st period. I can't find a clip of that particular hit, so I couldn't tell you if that one was clean or not.

My guess is that Malkin either gets off scot-free or, at most, a $2500 fine.
 
2012-04-19 01:58:57 PM  

Swoop1809: They could have lost 100-3 and they would still have a 3-1 series lead so if you discount confidence or momentum the game doesn't really matter. I figure the players can chalk it up to a bad day and move on to the next one. It'd be interesting to see the Flyers win the series with a negative goal differential.


Losing a game that would move you onto the next round is more than enough to constitute a "bad day." What happened yesterday is in a completely different stratosphere.

This series is the best-of-7 equivalent of what everyone thought a Green Bay-New England Super Bowl would like.
 
2012-04-19 02:22:46 PM  
Pitts and Pens are in the same division.. they'll play each other at least 6 times next season not counting pre season games, they were going to play against Neal again therefore the game was not thrown
 
2012-04-19 02:43:47 PM  

ontariolightning: Pitts Flyers and Pens are in the same division.. they'll play each other at least 6 times next season not counting pre season games, they were going to play against Neal again therefore the game was not thrown


FTFY
 
2012-04-19 02:58:07 PM  

havocmike:

/that last sentence is a repeat of every playoff year since 1979.


Would like a word with you:

cdn.nhl.com
 
2012-04-19 03:22:59 PM  

havocmike: I only saw one Pennsylvania team acting like children on Sunday.


That's putting the blinders on a bit. I'm not saying that the Pens were innocent or anything, but the Flyers weren't innocent either.

For instance, Simmonds was on the bench at the start of the altercation after Neal's charging penalties, but yet, he tried to pick a fight with Neal while Neal was skating to the penalty box -- as seen here. Why he wasn't given some sort of supplemental discipline for coming off the bench (after things settled, but still) and trying to escalate and start a second altercation (which is when Adams and Hartnell went at it)?
 
2012-04-19 03:24:52 PM  

Donnchadha: havocmike: I only saw one Pennsylvania team acting like children on Sunday.

That's putting the blinders on a bit. I'm not saying that the Pens were innocent or anything, but the Flyers weren't innocent either.

For instance, Simmonds was on the bench at the start of the altercation after Neal's charging penalties, but yet, he tried to pick a fight with Neal while Neal was skating to the penalty box -- as seen here. Why he wasn't given some sort of supplemental discipline for coming off the bench (after things settled, but still) and trying to escalate and start a second altercation (which is when Adams and Hartnell went at it)?


In case it doesn't link right, Neal starts heading to the penalty box around 2:20
 
2012-04-19 03:28:57 PM  

Donnchadha: havocmike: I only saw one Pennsylvania team acting like children on Sunday.

That's putting the blinders on a bit. I'm not saying that the Pens were innocent or anything, but the Flyers weren't innocent either.

For instance, Simmonds was on the bench at the start of the altercation after Neal's charging penalties, but yet, he tried to pick a fight with Neal while Neal was skating to the penalty box -- as seen here. Why he wasn't given some sort of supplemental discipline for coming off the bench (after things settled, but still) and trying to escalate and start a second altercation (which is when Adams and Hartnell went at it)?


Yes, because getting in someone's face after couple of headhunting hits is anywhere near as bad as the cheap shots themselves. You should realize that you just made a BSABSVR-type argument.
 
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