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2012-04-19 12:23:41 AM
I do not spend more than $20 per bottle for wine. There is just too much decent stuff from around the world to justify spending more. I'll go overboard for champagne, on occasion. I'll go as high as $75. Red and white wine options are just fantastic these days.

Sub $20 bottle of Saint-Émilion, Aussie stuff, Chilean... Our local vineyards are "OK"... Not a huge fan, but it's decent.

Though, I got some Slovakian antifreeze at my last meal that included the wine. Yikes! Sometimes, you CAN go too cheap. I just let the others go with the free wine. I order a Sidecar Cocktail.
 
2012-04-19 12:55:06 AM

NewportBarGuy: There is just too much decent stuff from around the world to justify spending more.



I'm a sucker for Washington wines, so I will respectfully disagree.
 
2012-04-19 01:02:17 AM
Most of my favorite wines from the Finger Lakes, Napa, and WA state are fairly easy to come by, and not overly expensive (imo). However, price be damned, I will not be denied an occasional bottle of...

Any of these:
www.farniente.com
static3.wine-searcher.net

Or these:
images.winecommune.com
images.winecommune.com
 
2012-04-19 01:05:53 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Most of my favorite wines from the Finger Lakes, Napa, and WA state are fairly easy to come by, and not overly expensive (imo). However, price be damned, I will not be denied an occasional bottle of...

Any of these:
[www.farniente.com image 604x485]
[static3.wine-searcher.net image 350x600]

Or these:
[images.winecommune.com image 500x666]
[images.winecommune.com image 500x666]



Cool story bro:

I worked for Chateau Ste. Michelle back in 2002/2003. To celebrate the first year they shipped over one million cases, each employee received special bottle of desert wine.....which was Single Berry Select in a bottle with a different label.

IIRC, that vintage of Single Berry Select was limited to 200 cases, and the surplus was used for that employee giveaway.

Bonus: We could buy additional bottles at $25 each....no joke.

/Yes, I bought quite a bit.
 
2012-04-19 01:08:57 AM
Meh. I prefer Chilean reds.
 
2012-04-19 01:11:29 AM

The_Sponge: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Most of my favorite wines from the Finger Lakes, Napa, and WA state are fairly easy to come by, and not overly expensive (imo). However, price be damned, I will not be denied an occasional bottle of...

Any of these:
[www.farniente.com image 604x485]
[static3.wine-searcher.net image 350x600]

Or these:
[images.winecommune.com image 500x666]
[images.winecommune.com image 500x666]


Cool story bro:

I worked for Chateau Ste. Michelle back in 2002/2003. To celebrate the first year they shipped over one million cases, each employee received special bottle of desert wine.....which was Single Berry Select in a bottle with a different label.

IIRC, that vintage of Single Berry Select was limited to 200 cases, and the surplus was used for that employee giveaway.

Bonus: We could buy additional bottles at $25 each....no joke.

/Yes, I bought quite a bit.


Awesome story bro! Seriously, I'm very jealous. :D
 
2012-04-19 01:12:49 AM
A great party wine, from NY:

www.allstarwine.com
 
2012-04-19 02:55:29 AM
¡NO UVAS!
 
2012-04-19 03:02:44 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Meh. I prefer Chilean reds.


Chilean and Argentinian wines give me terrible headaches. I wish I could like them because they are usually a fraction of the price of Old World wines.
 
2012-04-19 03:06:39 AM
From Arizona:

www.winelog.net
 
2012-04-19 03:18:32 AM
People should be raisin hell over the grape shortage.
 
2012-04-19 03:35:02 AM
 
2012-04-19 04:00:53 AM
For the first time I just had some Charles Shaw (Trader Joe's 2 Buck Chuck) and it was OK. Definitely worth the $2 (light refreshment that tastes like alcohol)

My friends tell me to check int out occasionally, and if it's good, go back and stock up. Charles Shaw gets random supply from who knows where, and sometimes it's quality stuff. But it's like playing the lottery.
 
2012-04-19 04:17:16 AM
Well, as far as I know the Michigan wineries are doing well, so... yeah, I'm not too worried. (Mmm, Riesling...)
 
2012-04-19 04:49:26 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: ecmoRandomNumbers: Meh. I prefer Chilean reds.

Chilean and Argentinian wines give me terrible headaches. I wish I could like them because they are usually a fraction of the price of Old World wines.


I'm always surprised that you can get a lot of perfectly drinkable French wine for $5 a bottle (and Italian for not much more). I've come to prefer the cheap dry Bordeaux and Tuscan over the cheap fruity wine every other region has. For middle prices, nothing beats California for me, though, and I have basically zero experience with anything over $70.
 
2012-04-19 05:01:32 AM
 
2012-04-19 05:15:48 AM

Canton: Well, as far as I know the Michigan wineries are doing well, so... yeah, I'm not too worried. (Mmm, Riesling...)


Amen.
 
2012-04-19 05:17:05 AM
as a wine in the can lover i cost average the expense by stocking in as much as possible. sufficient inventory frees one from the mercy of the market.

currently looking for a good breakfast wine. something you can take in the shower.
 
2012-04-19 05:47:51 AM
So what will we be calling "Two Buck" Chuck wine now?
 
2012-04-19 07:09:14 AM
NY Finger Lakes smile...
 
2012-04-19 07:37:03 AM

CygnusDarius: From Arizona:

[www.winelog.net image 400x399]


His first one is good.

I really like the wine he developed with Page Springs - AZ Stronghold. Nachize and Mangus are really good.

If you can, try the Barbera at Javelina Leap (down the road from Page Springs). It is amazing.

Also, it is going to be hot and dry this year in AZ. More than normal. I hope it doesn't impact the wines, here.
 
2012-04-19 07:52:16 AM
Pfft. Just began brewing my own beer and mead. Wine is next on the agenda

/it tastes better when you make it yourself
 
2012-04-19 07:56:41 AM
I've just never enjoyed wine, I guess. I've tried it a number of times and just never really found anything of a personal boat-floating variety. Then again, I'm not going to pay a lot of money for booze, so maybe that has a causal relationship on me not caring for it. I will just stick with my cheap bourbon over here, I suppose. Lots of cheap bourbon, mmmmmmmm.
 
2012-04-19 08:01:29 AM

KrispyKritter: as a wine in the can lover i cost average the expense by stocking in as much as possible. sufficient inventory frees one from the mercy of the market.

currently looking for a good breakfast wine. something you can take in the shower.


Maybe these would suit sir's palate:

www.wineinacan.com
 
2012-04-19 08:21:23 AM
inconsolable
 
2012-04-19 08:22:51 AM
cache.deadspin.com

inconsolable
/thing's busted
 
2012-04-19 08:35:11 AM
Meh, California wines. Flowers pinot noir from Oregon Coast for me, please. Oregon is more preferable to my palate anyways
 
2012-04-19 08:46:13 AM
We have plenty of grapes in Oregon to make up for any shortage. Seems like the whole Willamette valley is being re-planted.
 
2012-04-19 08:56:58 AM
It's too early for me. Read the headline as "Gang Rape Shortage."

/7-11 now has a house wine 2 for 7.11
//It's a fine ipecac.
 
2012-04-19 09:24:37 AM
sale.images.woot.com

My new Cal wine craving... seriously excellent stuff in the mid $30 range.

/image hot
//wine isn't, but it is huge... decant or aerate!
 
2012-04-19 09:27:39 AM

thepostaftermeisgay: Meh, California wines. Flowers pinot noir from Oregon Coast for me, please. Oregon is more preferable to my palate anyways


Flowers makes Oregon pinots? I thought they were strictly Sonoma.
 
2012-04-19 10:07:45 AM

LittleSmitty: /it tastes better when you make it yourself



I don't trust myself that much.
 
2012-04-19 10:23:32 AM
You said only "grape" once, subby...can't you do anything right?
 
2012-04-19 10:30:44 AM
I have been nursing a bottle of 2000 Chateau Latour Grand Vin. Got it for $600 C$, now worth thousands (yes, really.) The Plan (amongst two of my close friends who did the same) was to hold them for 25 years. Thinking now that I'll put it in my Will that my friends, upon my death, will open it and raise one to the memories we made. Good times, good times.

/usually look at $15 - $20 price points
//huge fan of Fess Parker Wineries
///and anything that comes out of Paso Robles

////Canadian
/slashies are good for you
 
2012-04-19 10:43:16 AM
California grapes? fark 'em

static.findrentals.com

underrated and affordable
 
2012-04-19 10:57:49 AM

Grandemadaca: California grapes? fark 'em

[static.findrentals.com image 470x395]

underrated and affordable


Problem is they are usually pretty small production wineries, and rarely make it out of the NE. Even when I lived in MD, there were very few NY wine (Finger Lakes or Long Island)... the ones that were available were just as expensive as WA, OR, and CA wines... tough purchase when the wine is completely unknown and rarely reviewed.

That said, I'd love to go visit the Finger Lakes and try them out in person.
 
2012-04-19 11:13:10 AM

Grandemadaca: California grapes? fark 'em

[static.findrentals.com image 470x395]

underrated and affordable


Cheers!

/Red Cat! Red Cat! That'll get her in the sack!"
 
2012-04-19 11:31:03 AM

namegoeshere: Grandemadaca: California grapes? fark 'em

[static.findrentals.com image 470x395]

underrated and affordable

Cheers!

/Red Cat! Red Cat! That'll get her in the sack!"


It's crap like that slogan, and novelty labels like "Redneck Wines" that is helping to hold back the region's ability to get taken seriously a quality wine producing area.

Yeah, it's great to dump the pompous ass image of wine drinking, but for Christ sakes, knock off the goofy shiat.

www.pompousasswinery.com
 
2012-04-19 11:41:19 AM

Grandemadaca: namegoeshere: Grandemadaca: California grapes? fark 'em

[static.findrentals.com image 470x395]

underrated and affordable

Cheers!

/Red Cat! Red Cat! That'll get her in the sack!"

It's crap like that slogan, and novelty labels like "Redneck Wines" that is helping to hold back the region's ability to get taken seriously a quality wine producing area.

Yeah, it's great to dump the pompous ass image of wine drinking, but for Christ sakes, knock off the goofy shiat.

[www.pompousasswinery.com image 428x235]


Upthread a farker was looking for a good breakfast wine-in-a-can, and you're worried about Red Cat spoiling the image?

Well, maybe I am a bit of a red neck, but I'd rather spend an afternoon at Hazlitt than an hour at Belhurst. Wine is for good times with good people (and The Hazzlit boys be good people. They'll stop what they're doing, show you around the place, and tell you stories) than Wine Snobs any day.
 
2012-04-19 11:45:00 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Most of my favorite wines from the Finger Lakes, Napa, and WA state are fairly easy to come by, and not overly expensive (imo). However, price be damned, I will not be denied an occasional bottle of...

Any of these:

[static3.wine-searcher.net image 350x600]


Heh, my wife's boss gave us a magnum(!) of 1997 Dolce for our wedding (the year we met). We still have the bottle around, though it is sadly empty (took us a long time to find an occasion to open and properly enjoy 1.5 liters of amazingly good dessert wine).

I don't even want to know what it cost, though it probably helped that my wife did her PhD in the Viticulture & Enology department, and that the winemaker for Dolce I think worked in the same lab for a while (at least, he knew both my wife and my wife's boss).

On a different note, I don't think it is so much that there is a grape "shortage" in California as it is that they've slowed/stopped planting new vineyards the last three or four years - there was massive oversupply for a while, which is drying up.
 
2012-04-19 11:48:26 AM

namegoeshere: Wine is for good times with good people (and The Hazzlit boys be good people. They'll stop what they're doing, show you around the place, and tell you stories) * than Wine Snobs any day.


And, believe it or not, I have not had any wine at all today.

*I'd rather spend time with laid back folks spending time together, telling stories over a glass bottle or two than Wine Snobs any day.

FTFM
 
2012-04-19 12:00:11 PM

namegoeshere: Grandemadaca: namegoeshere: Grandemadaca: California grapes? fark 'em

[static.findrentals.com image 470x395]

underrated and affordable

Cheers!

/Red Cat! Red Cat! That'll get her in the sack!"

It's crap like that slogan, and novelty labels like "Redneck Wines" that is helping to hold back the region's ability to get taken seriously a quality wine producing area.

Yeah, it's great to dump the pompous ass image of wine drinking, but for Christ sakes, knock off the goofy shiat.

[www.pompousasswinery.com image 428x235]

Upthread a farker was looking for a good breakfast wine-in-a-can, and you're worried about Red Cat spoiling the image?

Well, maybe I am a bit of a red neck, but I'd rather spend an afternoon at Hazlitt than an hour at Belhurst. Wine is for good times with good people (and The Hazzlit boys be good people. They'll stop what they're doing, show you around the place, and tell you stories) than Wine Snobs any day.


Hey, I agree with you, hence my comment about dumping the pompous ass image. I've met plenty of vintners that are willing to shoot the shiat with me. I like the fun, friendly attitude given off by most of the wineries. I just hate the stuff that goes too far in the other direction.

The maker of Redneck Wine happens to be my favorite winery, Torrey Ridge. They make some awesome fruit wines as well as a pleasant seyval (my wife's favorite). I just wince at the huge Redneck banner at the winery.
 
2012-04-19 12:16:37 PM

Grandemadaca: namegoeshere: Grandemadaca: namegoeshere: Grandemadaca: California grapes? fark 'em

[static.findrentals.com image 470x395]

underrated and affordable

Cheers!

/Red Cat! Red Cat! That'll get her in the sack!"

It's crap like that slogan, and novelty labels like "Redneck Wines" that is helping to hold back the region's ability to get taken seriously a quality wine producing area.

Yeah, it's great to dump the pompous ass image of wine drinking, but for Christ sakes, knock off the goofy shiat.

[www.pompousasswinery.com image 428x235]

Upthread a farker was looking for a good breakfast wine-in-a-can, and you're worried about Red Cat spoiling the image?

Well, maybe I am a bit of a red neck, but I'd rather spend an afternoon at Hazlitt than an hour at Belhurst. Wine is for good times with good people (and The Hazzlit boys be good people. They'll stop what they're doing, show you around the place, and tell you stories) than Wine Snobs any day.

Hey, I agree with you, hence my comment about dumping the pompous ass image. I've met plenty of vintners that are willing to shoot the shiat with me. I like the fun, friendly attitude given off by most of the wineries. I just hate the stuff that goes too far in the other direction.

The maker of Redneck Wine happens to be my favorite winery, Torrey Ridge. They make some awesome fruit wines as well as a pleasant seyval (my wife's favorite). I just wince at the huge Redneck banner at the winery.


I should have put winkey smileys in my post. I meant it in fun. I tried to give you a Fat Bastard or a Biatch or even a Mommy's Time Out, but none of them are Finger Lakes' wines. So you'll have to settle for a Love my Goat.

:-)
 
2012-04-19 12:56:50 PM

demonbug: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Most of my favorite wines from the Finger Lakes, Napa, and WA state are fairly easy to come by, and not overly expensive (imo). However, price be damned, I will not be denied an occasional bottle of...

Any of these:

[static3.wine-searcher.net image 350x600]

Heh, my wife's boss gave us a magnum(!) of 1997 Dolce for our wedding (the year we met). We still have the bottle around, though it is sadly empty (took us a long time to find an occasion to open and properly enjoy 1.5 liters of amazingly good dessert wine).

I don't even want to know what it cost, though it probably helped that my wife did her PhD in the Viticulture & Enology department, and that the winemaker for Dolce I think worked in the same lab for a while (at least, he knew both my wife and my wife's boss).

On a different note, I don't think it is so much that there is a grape "shortage" in California as it is that they've slowed/stopped planting new vineyards the last three or four years - there was massive oversupply for a while, which is drying up.


Yesterday on the local radio in LA there was a dude from Santa Barbara winery association (if that's the correct name) and he stated that the past 2 years the wine production is down 30% due to unfavorable weather (early frost last spring) and that will cause the prices to go up 7-12% this year. I don't know how much of that is real and how much it's the sellers trying to cash in. He also said that the vast majority of wineries in Santa Barbara are small, with 80% (if I recall correctly) producing under 2000 cases and 50% being 500 cases or smaller.
 
2012-04-19 01:40:14 PM
Bully Hill and Dr. Konstantin Frank are the best in the Finger Lakes area of NY. I would walk past a mountain of free California wines to buy Bully Hill.
 
2012-04-19 01:54:19 PM

LL Bean J: [cache.deadspin.com image 480x360]

inconsolable
/thing's busted


Great, now my inner monologue sounds like drunk Orson Welles...thanks a lot.
 
2012-04-19 04:09:41 PM
Well my roomate will be pissed her box of Franzi will be going up.
 
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