Gee, I wonder why a school district that has it's own police force would be doing so bad

Most of high school is such a waste of time anyway.
I took about 4 years between highschool and college. I had forgotten pretty much everything between that time due to non-use.

However I was still able to do well enough without having to go back and pick up stuff I didn't know.

Fewer.

The funny part is that subby thinks a) would work.

/i hate school, oh it's 55 minutes longer now, i guess i'll go

Perhaps our education system has been adversely affected by the mustache tax-credit movement.

untaken_name: Fewer.

Mike Judge = Nostradamus (but real)

"Credits"? Just assign the crotchfruit their classes and require they pass them.

It's not college.

I know! Let's take funds away! Then the students will shape up!

It's about the kids, not the money. No, not the money.

PUBLIC STOOL SYSTEM

garbage in, garbage out.

xebeche_tzu: untaken_name: Fewer.

Mike Judge = Nostradamus (but real)

I differ slightly with Mr. Judge's opinion. I believe people are, on average, less knowledgeable and capable, but are not less intelligent. It isn't that people are not capable of making the distinction between "less" and "fewer", for example, it's that they never actually learned the difference. Or, they never learned why it is important to be precise when trying to communicate. Either way, the problem is with the level of knowledge, not the capacity to understand. At least, that is my opinion.

Here is another argument for bi lingual education, let's do the statistics.

Britney Spear's Speculum: Gee, I wonder why a school district that has it's own police force would be doing so bad

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Clearly this means teachers unions are to blame. Clearly.

wildsnowllama: I know! Let's take funds away! Then the students will shape up!

We spend the most per child of any nation. How has the increased spending helped so far? Why do you believe that further increasing the funding will work, when experience has shown that it isn't working now? Any increase in funding will be soaked up by the administration, like the current funding is. So the administrators will continue to pillage the system while crying about not having enough money for textbooks. Of course, they don't mention that they have no money for textbooks because they voted in an administrative pay raise, because they know that people like you are not educated well enough to follow the money trail and you will reflexively call for more spending.

Pull the gang-bangers out of schools. Pull the gang-bangers out of their families who are just raising a new generation of bangers and proud of it.

Deport illegals.

Force parents not teachers to be accountable for what their kids learn.

untaken_name: wildsnowllama: I know! Let's take funds away! Then the students will shape up!

We spend the most per child of any nation. How has the increased spending helped so far? Why do you believe that further increasing the funding will work, when experience has shown that it isn't working now? Any increase in funding will be soaked up by the administration, like the current funding is. So the administrators will continue to pillage the system while crying about not having enough money for textbooks. Of course, they don't mention that they have no money for textbooks because they voted in an administrative pay raise, because they know that people like you are not educated well enough to follow the money trail and you will reflexively call for more spending.


Like you said, we need to spend the money smartly.
Right now we're sending money to the states, which goes to the administrators for that state, which than trickles down to county administrators, which than goes to school administrators, which than pays for staff at schools, than teachers, than for new buildings, and than for stuff students actually use.

Money and time isn't going to students.

The best way to improve student learning is to give students more time with teachers on a scale that isn't 40 students for 1 teacher and that doesn't require teachers to try to teach everyone at the same pace.

"former senior district official Sharon Robinson, who now is an advisor to school board member Marguerite Poindexter LaMotte"

So school board members have advisors, who just happen to be former colleagues? Guessing they aren't unpaid volunteer's.
Not enough money for students and teachers, but more than enough for administration. Typical for the L.A.U.S.D.

Bunnyhat: untaken_name: wildsnowllama: I know! Let's take funds away! Then the students will shape up!

We spend the most per child of any nation. How has the increased spending helped so far? Why do you believe that further increasing the funding will work, when experience has shown that it isn't working now? Any increase in funding will be soaked up by the administration, like the current funding is. So the administrators will continue to pillage the system while crying about not having enough money for textbooks. Of course, they don't mention that they have no money for textbooks because they voted in an administrative pay raise, because they know that people like you are not educated well enough to follow the money trail and you will reflexively call for more spending.


Like you said, we need to spend the money smartly.
Right now we're sending money to the states, which goes to the administrators for that state, which than trickles down to county administrators, which than goes to school administrators, which than pays for staff at schools, than teachers, than for new buildings, and than for stuff students actually use.

Money and time isn't going to students.

The best way to improve student learning is to give students more time with teachers on a scale that isn't 40 students for 1 teacher and that doesn't require teachers to try to teach everyone at the same pace.

I just wish that we could declare the horrible experiment of State-sponsored education a terrible failure and rip the whole system out. Of course, as more people matriculate through that horrible system, that becomes less and less likely.

untaken_name: wildsnowllama: I know! Let's take funds away! Then the students will shape up!

We spend the most per child of any nation. How has the increased spending helped so far? Why do you believe that further increasing the funding will work, when experience has shown that it isn't working now? Any increase in funding will be soaked up by the administration, like the current funding is. So the administrators will continue to pillage the system while crying about not having enough money for textbooks. Of course, they don't mention that they have no money for textbooks because they voted in an administrative pay raise, because they know that people like you are not educated well enough to follow the money trail and you will reflexively call for more spending.

^^^
this

TheShavingofOccam123: Pull the gang-bangers out of schools. Pull the gang-bangers out of their families who are just raising a new generation of bangers and proud of it.

Deport illegals.

Force parents not teachers to be accountable for what their kids learn.

^^^^^
with a side of that

untaken_name: Fewer.

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Bunnyhat: Most of high school is such a waste of time anyway.
I took about 4 years between highschool and college. I had forgotten pretty much everything between that time due to non-use.

However I was still able to do well enough without having to go back and pick up stuff I didn't know.

How else are you going to get 2 parents to work 60 hours each?

Why do you hate America?

untaken_name: wildsnowllama: I know! Let's take funds away! Then the students will shape up!

We spend the most per child of any nation. How has the increased spending helped so far? Why do you believe that further increasing the funding will work, when experience has shown that it isn't working now? Any increase in funding will be soaked up by the administration, like the current funding is. So the administrators will continue to pillage the system while crying about not having enough money for textbooks. Of course, they don't mention that they have no money for textbooks because they voted in an administrative pay raise, because they know that people like you are not educated well enough to follow the money trail and you will reflexively call for more spending.

LA Unified has been broken for so long that I don't remember when the school district actually did anything right. I grew up in LA county, but was fortunate to not be stuck in that horrid school system. To give you an idea of how long LA Unified has been a complete cluster-fark, I graduated in the late seventies and it was broken long before then. After so many decades of them yelling, "we just need a little more money," nobody believes their lies anymore.

LA Unified is the poster child of "how to do everything wrong." When something is broken this badly, the only solution is to start over from scratch. Fire every single person working in the school system, from the school board, the administrators, to the teachers, on down to the janitors. Tell the unions to piss off (they're at least half the problem), and start over with a clean slate. I can guarantee one thing. There's no way starting over could possibly make things worse.

TheShavingofOccam123: Pull the gang-bangers out of schools. Pull the gang-bangers out of their families who are just raising a new generation of bangers and proud of it.

I'm surprised that, with all the war on drugs that we waste in this country that much of that money should go to busting gangs and it would probably make a bigger dent.

They could charge 1000's of them under RICO and put most of them away for life.

Mixolydian Master: untaken_name: Fewer.

BZZZZT! We were looking for more fewer.

Please accept our parting gifts of a scratch and sniff encyclopedia set as a wonderful parting gift, brought to us by our sponsors, "Ouch, my testicles".

I promise to try to speak more betterly in the futuring.

OgreMagi: There's no way starting over could possibly make things worse.

This is exactly how I feel about the entire public school system. I'm just afraid it's too entrenched to remove, like a really bad staph infection.

School Vouchers

they work... it's time to end the government monopoly on public education. because we all know how well monopolies serve their customers...

untaken_name: wildsnowllama: I know! Let's take funds away! Then the students will shape up!

We spend the most per child of any nation. How has the increased spending helped so far? Why do you believe that further increasing the funding will work, when experience has shown that it isn't working now? Any increase in funding will be soaked up by the administration, like the current funding is. So the administrators will continue to pillage the system while crying about not having enough money for textbooks. Of course, they don't mention that they have no money for textbooks because they voted in an administrative pay raise, because they know that people like you are not educated well enough to follow the money trail and you will reflexively call for more spending.

Of course part of the spending goes towards football programs. The money that actually goes towards education pays for utter crap textbooks, outdated teaching methods and subject matter, and heavily politicized curricula that has no basis on reality. I know Texas is pretty bad, but I can't imagine the rest of the USA is that much better. Perhaps instead of cutting or increasing funding, the state educational boards should stop interfering with the specifics of classroom teaching and let real teachers who have the academic and practical backgrounds do their jobs.

Mixolydian Master: untaken_name: Fewer.

BZZZZT! We were looking for more fewer.

Please accept our parting gifts of a scratch and sniff encyclopedia set as a wonderful parting gift, brought to us by our sponsors, "Ouch, my testicles".

A product of the public school system I see.

What a maroon.

To be fair, all those classes outside the basics are pretty useless for most in the real world and sometimes a teacher can't teach for dick. I had mostly very good teachers with the right stuff to teach. A few of them I've had shouldn't be let anywhere near a lectern or a chalkboard. Oh, and get rid of tenure. Nobody should be untouchable. Also, bring down the goddamn class size. You can't teach 40 sixth-graders worth a shiat if you can't have time to talk to them and guide them during classwork.

/Pay the teachers more goddammit
//they deserve it
///would never become a teacher for fear of flipping my lid on them

rebelyell2006: untaken_name: wildsnowllama: I know! Let's take funds away! Then the students will shape up!

We spend the most per child of any nation. How has the increased spending helped so far? Why do you believe that further increasing the funding will work, when experience has shown that it isn't working now? Any increase in funding will be soaked up by the administration, like the current funding is. So the administrators will continue to pillage the system while crying about not having enough money for textbooks. Of course, they don't mention that they have no money for textbooks because they voted in an administrative pay raise, because they know that people like you are not educated well enough to follow the money trail and you will reflexively call for more spending.

Of course part of the spending goes towards football programs. The money that actually goes towards education pays for utter crap textbooks, outdated teaching methods and subject matter, and heavily politicized curricula that has no basis on reality. I know Texas is pretty bad, but I can't imagine the rest of the USA is that much better. Perhaps instead of cutting or increasing funding, the state educational boards should stop interfering with the specifics of classroom teaching and let real teachers who have the academic and practical backgrounds do their jobs.

True, the sports programs do soak up a ton of cash, especially in the South. I fully support physical activity for children, but I don't think it should be the primary focus of public school (which it is, in effect, in many schools with perpetually competitive teams).

Britney Spear's Speculum: TheShavingofOccam123: Pull the gang-bangers out of schools. Pull the gang-bangers out of their families who are just raising a new generation of bangers and proud of it.

I'm surprised that, with all the war on drugs that we waste in this country that much of that money should go to busting gangs and it would probably make a bigger dent.

They could charge 1000's of them under RICO and put most of them away for life.

Or just stop the "war on drugs."

/why do i hate amurika?

AbbeySomeone: Here is another argument for bi lingual education, let's do the statistics.

Let's do a statistical comparison of knowledge of multiple languages and test scores in the USA and Europe.

Under the staff proposal, students also could pass the college-prep classes with a D even though California's public university systems require a C or better for admission.

Nope, no college for you kid. And why are kids allowed AP classes to get a D? That defeats the purpose of them.

bdub77: Yeah because the answer to our solutions is more people in the corrupt California Prison system.

1) RICO is federal
2) Charging people who run guns and kill people over drug selling turf is now, according to you "reactionary"

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Deportation are already up to record levels.

Yep, deportation increased from 0.1% of the illegals openly living here illegally, to 0.15%.

"The district could face a flood of dropouts if it doesn't ease its policy that all students pass college-prep classes."

Should college prep be a requirement in the first place? Students should know they have options but not everyone is going to go to college.

Also, did anyone else here read the article or did everyone just read the headline and come in here to start on their pet peeve about education? "Deport all the illegals," one of you said. Yeah, that has like nothing to do with article.

untaken_name: Few

thangew.

AbbeySomeone: Here is another argument for bi lingual education, let's do the statistics.

Agreed. Canada requires English fluency just to enter the country. They seem to be doing much better than us in education. Let's examine why.

Breaking news. America is getting dumb. Meanwhile, China is laughing their asses off at us and our country full of morons. They already have us by the balls. So what do we do? Reduce education. Wow, brilliant idea. A-plus!

bdub77: 12349876: Let's do a statistical comparison of knowledge of multiple languages and test scores in the USA and Europe.

Something something correlation != causation.

I'm pretty sure there are plenty of bilinguals in LAUSD schools. I'm also fairly certain they aren't testing well.

That's the farking point. WHOOOSH!

burning_bridge: "The district could face a flood of dropouts if it doesn't ease its policy that all students pass college-prep classes."

Should college prep be a requirement in the first place? Students should know they have options but not everyone is going to go to college.

Also, did anyone else here read the article or did everyone just read the headline and come in here to start on their pet peeve about education? "Deport all the illegals," one of you said. Yeah, that has like nothing to do with article.

We are seriously lacking in technical school education in this country. It seems like we have more English degree grads than plumbers these days. Not everyone is college material and many don't realize this.

Bunnyhat: untaken_name: wildsnowllama: I know! Let's take funds away! Then the students will shape up!

We spend the most per child of any nation. How has the increased spending helped so far? Why do you believe that further increasing the funding will work, when experience has shown that it isn't working now? Any increase in funding will be soaked up by the administration, like the current funding is. So the administrators will continue to pillage the system while crying about not having enough money for textbooks. Of course, they don't mention that they have no money for textbooks because they voted in an administrative pay raise, because they know that people like you are not educated well enough to follow the money trail and you will reflexively call for more spending.


Like you said, we need to spend the money smartly.
Right now we're sending money to the states, which goes to the administrators for that state, which than trickles down to county administrators, which than goes to school administrators, which than pays for staff at schools, than teachers, than for new buildings, and than for stuff students actually use.

Money and time isn't going to students.

The best way to improve student learning is to give students more time with teachers on a scale that isn't 40 students for 1 teacher and that doesn't require teachers to try to teach everyone at the same pace.

This is a cultural issue. American parents are idiots. They treat schools as daycares, but demand results. They refuse to place anyone competent in a leadership role, preferring to make decisions on popularity. I had to enroll american students in a european school. Telling you. PARENTS.