MaudlinMutantMollusk: I've said it before, and I'll say it again: what this country needs is more enraged, pitchfork and torch wielding mobs

You think a country that isn't smart enough to get that there are other candidates outside the Republican Democratic Electoral Machine are smart enough to take the law into their own hands?

buckeyebrain: Paging CruiserTwelve. CruiserTwelve, please report to Thread #7057939 to tell us why the wonderful police are correct to drum this woman off of the force, because the Sergeants were only heroically doing their jobs.

You know what his response is going to be anyway. "We don't have both sides of the story, etc etc etc." He'll claim that the cops were probably justified in their beating, and that the cop who tried to stop them is just too softhearted to be a police officer.

Officer William Johnson was off-duty when he was taken into custody by Chula Vista police about midnight Saturday, following a collision that left another motorist with minor injuries, according to San Diego Police Department public affairs. [Suspected of driving while intoxicated.]

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Last week, SDPD officials announced that an internal investigation was under way into whether a patrolman used excessive force while arresting an allegedly drunk and combative man last weekend outside a North Park nightspot.

The officer, whose name has been withheld, was one of three San Diego police officers who struggled to subdue 38-year-old Shawn Allen McPherren in front of the Alibi bar late on the night of May 1, SDPD Executive Assistant Chief David Ramirez said.

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The following day, an SDPD motorcycle patrolman pleaded not guilty to driving under the influence and hit-and-run allegations in connection with an off-duty Feb. 22 traffic accident on Murray Ridge Road in Serra Mesa. Officer David Hall, 41, faces up to three years and eightmonths in prison if convicted of the charges.

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In late April, a judge ordered San Diego police Sgt. Kenneth H. Davis, 47, to stand trial on one count of stalking a fellow officer he had dated and three counts of making harassing telephone calls to her.

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On April 11, an SDPD patrolman was involved in an off-duty dispute during which he allegedly assaulted a 17-year-old neighbor boy he caught smoking marijuana.

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In March, 42-year-old Art Perea, a vice officer with the department, resigned amid accusations of raping a Point Loma Nazarene University student at an El Cajon home. He has not been charged in the case, which remains under investigation.

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On March 11, San Diego police Officer Anthony Arevalos, 40, was arrested after a woman accused him of sexually assaulting her following a traffic stop in the Gaslamp Quarter.

Four other women subsequently came forward and made similar allegations against Arevalos, who has pleaded not guilty to 18 felony counts, including sexual battery, false imprisonment, assault under color of authority and receiving a bribe.

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On March 24, San Diego police Officer Roel Tungcab was arrested by sheriff's deputies in the aftermath of a fight with his wife at their Imperial Beach home. Tungcab, 39, faces misdemeanor domestic-violence charges.

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On March 29, an SDPD officer was recorded wrestling with an allegedly inebriated and disruptive soccer fan at Qualcomm Stadium.

The 49-second recording, posted on YouTube the following day, shows the officer on the floor of a stadium concourse, struggling to subdue 27-year-old David Rangel of San Diego.

The officer, whose name has not been released, at times used an arm to put Rangel in a chokehold from behind and finally shoved Rangel's head onto the concrete, causing a loud smacking sound when the side of the suspect's face and the palm of his hand hit the floor.

Police officials opened an internal probe into the arrest, which occurred during a Mexico-Venezuela soccer game.

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On Tuesday, Police Chief William Lansdowne plans to announce a new plan to address the spike of officer-misconduct cases and prevent more from occurring.

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Just throwing these out as an interesting change in pace over the past year. Hopefully it continues. The original article hints that Police Chief Lansdowne is the person to thank. SDPD has 2000 cops. More than 10 are bad apples. But it's a decent start.

taurusowner,We're getting there. I'm a cop in the new group of officers, mostly from a post Iraq/Afghanistan military background. Most of the bad apples I've encountered are old timers who got in during the late 70's through early 90's. They know how to phrase things in their reports, they know enough about eh criminal justice system to know what cases will get thrown out for lack of credible evidence, and they're on first names basis with most of the union guys. it's hard being a new cop in a department of old timers doing things the old way. But it's getting better. More and more former military guys (and girls) are getting on departments, and we're used to doing things the military way. The "old boys club" isn't as strong anymore. If you were one good officer on a department of shiatbags, they would play the whole "cover our tracks, or you'll be alone when you need backup" shiat. Well that doesn't fly anymore. Soldiers don't let a battle buddy take fire on his own. Marines don't do that to Marines. Airmen don't let their wingmen down. With more former military cops, with OEF/OIF experience, we're working our way through departments and not taking shiat from the old guys. Even in the amount of time I've been on the job, I've seen 2 new LT's and 3 patrol SGTs get promoted who were combat vets. Stand up guys who play by the book. It's getting better. We're not there yet, but when the aviator-wearing fat-guy old boys of the 70's croak or retire, policing in America will be a lot better off.

I am not sure that is accurate. The problem is getting rapidly worse, not better. The young ones could be causing the problem.

And just because someone has a background in the military does not make them a great 'officer of the peace'. Unit integrity is not what most people understand integrity to mean.

2wolves: One good apple spoils the cess pool.

I'm stealing that.

A review of several thousand MMPPI test results between LEO and recidivist criminals revealed something. Cops and thugs are the same people. Criminals just have slightly lower I.Q.'s But for the grace of a few baby steps up the Bell curve, cops are essentially failed criminals. Think about that when you get pulled over

RaceBoatDriver: On March 11, San Diego police Officer Anthony Arevalos, 40, was arrested after a woman accused him of sexually assaulting her following a traffic stop in the Gaslamp Quarter.

Four other women subsequently came forward and made similar allegations against Arevalos, who has pleaded not guilty to 18 felony counts, including sexual battery, false imprisonment, assault under color of authority and receiving a bribe.

That's why on-person audio/video recorders should be required for all officers. I have my own and it's save be from BS allegations more than once. "Let me off or I'll say you you told me to have sex with you" The converse is also true. If an allegation comes up of misconduct and the recording "has been damaged/went missing" for that time frame, automatic punishment of some sort should set in.

Enemabag Jones: I am not sure that is accurate. The problem is getting rapidly worse, not better. The young ones could be causing the problem.

I was raised on FPS video games by a pissed off single mom and I used to beat the f*ck out of kids for their lunch money. Can I have a badge?

Even the good cops suck. There should really be term limits or something. The system is just as much at fault as the people, we need 100% oversight, basically cameras and voice recording that is completely outside of the police officer's control.

fnordfocus: taurusowner: Soldiers don't let a battle buddy take fire on his own. Marines don't do that to Marines. Airmen don't let their wingmen down.

Then it pretty much sounds that you are going to be even more willing to lie and kill civilians to protect your buddies than the older Officers.

There was a time were it was extremely difficult to be a vet and a then become a cop. There was seen to be a very good reason, as the skills involved with the two were seen as being conflicting.

fusillade762: Sleeping Monkey: They are enablers of a system that imprisons more of our population than any country in the world save for China.

Actually we've got China beat by a hefty margin:

[itsnotjustme.com image 510x277]

We're #1! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!

Now post the figures for percentage of convicted criminals executed. I bet the graph turns upside down.

DonCaballero: fusillade762: Sleeping Monkey: They are enablers of a system that imprisons more of our population than any country in the world save for China.

Actually we've got China beat by a hefty margin:

[itsnotjustme.com image 510x277]

We're #1! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!

Now post the figures for percentage of convicted criminals executed. I bet the graph turns upside down.

So, we screwed the pooch twice?

bunnerEnemabag Jones: I am not sure that is accurate. The problem is getting rapidly worse, not better. The young ones could be causing the problem.
I was raised on FPS video games by a pissed off single mom and I used to beat the f*ck out of kids for their lunch money. Can I have a badge?

I don't know. You can try.

fusillade762: We're #1! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!

Gosh, if only we could be more like Afghanistan, our problems would be solved!

DonCaballero: fusillade762: Sleeping Monkey: They are enablers of a system that imprisons more of our population than any country in the world save for China.

Actually we've got China beat by a hefty margin:

[itsnotjustme.com image 510x277]

We're #1! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!

Now post the figures for percentage of convicted criminals executed. I bet the graph turns upside down.

no we are fourth in that. Behind Saudi, Iran, China. The more you know I guess. We also have longer more severe sentences for more crimes.

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: Satanic_Hamster: Is there a non-reason link for this article? Actually surprised they wouldn't take the authoritarian side on this.

LOLWUT?

Oh, wait, let me guess... everything you "know" about Reason comes from reading GAT_00's posts about it rather than actually browsing through their articles on the topic.

No, it's because everything that gets greenlit from them in the politics tab is generally farking retarded. If they're that damn retarded on those subjects, why would I not assume the entire site isn't as well?

SevenizGud: fusillade762: We're #1! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!

Gosh, if only we could be more like Afghanistan, our problems would be solved!

Or how about Canada, Germany, France. You know nice places to live.

fusillade762: Sleeping Monkey: They are enablers of a system that imprisons more of our population than any country in the world save for China.

Actually we've got China beat by a hefty margin:

[itsnotjustme.com image 510x277]

We're #1! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!

China has fewer inmates because they kill them and harvest their organs. Why pay to house them?

Enemabag Jones: taurusowner,We're getting there. I'm a cop in the new group of officers, mostly from a post Iraq/Afghanistan military background. Most of the bad apples I've encountered are old timers who got in during the late 70's through early 90's. They know how to phrase things in their reports, they know enough about eh criminal justice system to know what cases will get thrown out for lack of credible evidence, and they're on first names basis with most of the union guys. it's hard being a new cop in a department of old timers doing things the old way. But it's getting better. More and more former military guys (and girls) are getting on departments, and we're used to doing things the military way. The "old boys club" isn't as strong anymore. If you were one good officer on a department of shiatbags, they would play the whole "cover our tracks, or you'll be alone when you need backup" shiat. Well that doesn't fly anymore. Soldiers don't let a battle buddy take fire on his own. Marines don't do that to Marines. Airmen don't let their wingmen down. With more former military cops, with OEF/OIF experience, we're working our way through departments and not taking shiat from the old guys. Even in the amount of time I've been on the job, I've seen 2 new LT's and 3 patrol SGTs get promoted who were combat vets. Stand up guys who play by the book. It's getting better. We're not there yet, but when the aviator-wearing fat-guy old boys of the 70's croak or retire, policing in America will be a lot better off.

I am not sure that is accurate. The problem is getting rapidly worse, not better. The young ones could be causing the problem.

And just because someone has a background in the military does not make them a great 'officer of the peace'. Unit integrity is not what most people understand integrity to mean.

I know. Every deportment is going to be reflective of the people from that area. What's true in my state might not be true everywhere. All I can say is that from my little corner of the law enforcement world, having guys I can depend on who I know went through Afghanistan or Iraq goes a long way towards knowing I can do what I know is right and not be alone. In my department there's 5 other guys and 1 girl who are vets, and as far as I know, none of them are shiatbags. About 85% of the rest of the department are just normal cops, doing their jobs, but not sticking their necks out. The other 15% are just...ugh. It's not that anyone has seen them beating someone or knows their taking bribes or on drugs or anything big and obvious. They're just the kind of guys who get a little higher than average complaints against them for bad attitudes, they're the ones that are always trying to tell racist stories before role-call, or a little to quick to respond to calls in white neighborhoods, but slower to non white neighborhoods. There haven't been any incidents like this in the story where they can get called out and fired for. Again, they know the system too well. They're all older, and they all have too many older friends in the chain of command and in the union. At the end of the day, it's hard to make a case about "you responded to call in neighborhoods that are 65% white, 27% more often than neighborhoods that are 72% black" or something similar. It's just not enough to really say "you're fired". But we all know what's going on, we all try to avoid working with them. The newer LT's (vets) are doing what they can; scrutinizing their paperwork harder, following up on complaints, denying transfer requests so they can work shifts with their buddies. But it's slow work to weed out these shiatbags who have learned how to game the system over decades. All we can really do is wait for them to screw up big and nail them, or hope little things will pile up and they can be gotten rid of. But when you're a 3 year road deputy, or a 7 year SGT, it's hard to really get the shiatbags who have been shiatbags on the job for 15+ years. All we can do is wait for them to screw up and hope command and the union will back on on canning them.

bunner: A review of several thousand MMPPI test results between LEO and recidivist criminals revealed something. Cops and thugs are the same people. Criminals just have slightly lower I.Q.'s But for the grace of a few baby steps up the Bell curve, cops are essentially failed criminals. Think about that when you get pulled over

Check out "Rokeach Value Survey" for more insightful data on the morals and attitudes of cops.

They like obedience. They use the law as a tool to enforce their own moral code. They are hired not because they value the law and civil rights, but because they value group dynamics and power.

She's the messenger, and the cops are big on tradition - she brought bad news, so they're going to (figuratively) kill her.

DonCaballero: Now post the figures for percentage of convicted criminals executed. I bet the graph turns upside down.

Actually, it gets worse. Executions for last year, by country:

Egypt: 1
Somalia: 6
South Sudan: 5
Sudan: 7+
United States: 43

amo: Rozotorical: Now post the figures for percentage of convicted criminals executed. I bet the graph turns upside down.

no we are fourth in that. Behind Saudi, Iran, China. The more you know I guess. We also have longer more severe sentences for more crimes.

Not according to Amnesty International.

I was referring to the ten year rate. In 2010 we were 5th. Keep in mind in 2010, there were no executions in Europe and the Soviet Bloc. In 2011, it also shows us being 5th.

Farkers should call the mayor and chat about this.

Teh beatin' was one thing but the "unfit" charges are just stupid.

Keithgrabyelski : you are driving a red sports car 5 miles over the speed limit, there is another guy in a silver lexus driving 10 miles over the speed limit, and another in a toyota truck driving 11 miles over the speed limit. you are all seen by a police officer. who does he pull over?

The one with the out of state tag? Do I win a cookie?

/stupid post format, farking android mobile interface

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: taurusowner: It's getting better. We're not there yet, but when the aviator-wearing fat-guy old boys of the 70's croak or retire, policing in America will be a lot better off.

The cops in the video were all young. The cops in ALL of these kinds of videos are all young.

this is because he has misidentified the reason for cops acting like unaccountable thugs.

Cops act like unaccountable thugs because they are separate from civilians. See? we even have a term for the rest of us...civilians...a group they are not a part of. They are above, apart and beyond civilians. Being a cop is being in a club like being in the military. This phenomena is repeated in many situations. Heh even in friendly competition if you have a group of military guys and 1 or 2 civvies the military folks will team up to beat on the civvies and only them compete against each other.

he missed the real club. The club of us and them.

fusillade762: Sleeping Monkey: They are enablers of a system that imprisons more of our population than any country in the world save for China.

Actually we've got China beat by a hefty margin:

[itsnotjustme.com image 510x277]

We're #1! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!

You're missing the part where 90% of China's population live like prisoners.

Satanic_Hamster: Is there a non-reason link for this article? Actually surprised they wouldn't take the authoritarian side on this.

Say what you will about Reason, but they actually do good work exposing police abuses, as well as abuses from petty bureaucrats and theocrat wannabes.

Enemabag Jones: bunnerEnemabag Jones: I am not sure that is accurate. The problem is getting rapidly worse, not better. The young ones could be causing the problem.
I was raised on FPS video games by a pissed off single mom and I used to beat the f*ck out of kids for their lunch money. Can I have a badge?

I don't know. You can try.

HAW! See? See whut he done there? HAW.

limboslam: 90% of China's population live like prisoners.

taurusowner,

Thanks for the longer response and the insight.

All I can say is different experiences. I can deal with the older police in my town. They are reasonable.

The younger ones are being mentored to be bulls looking to follow cars until they make a mistake driving. They use social aggression over tact and view infractions of the law the way an autistic 12 year old on a power trip would.

I believe the police dept posted a 'do not follow' message when my tags are pulled because I drive to my apt at a prime DWI time. Most of the time when I see a cop swoop down they immediately turn around 1/2 block later.

I love it when cop enablers tell you "you'll be sorry when you need a cop and he doesn't come". Tell me when I'll need a cop... After I'm shot dead so he can file a report? When I'm going 5 over the speed limit? Exactly what kind of fantasy scenario do you envision a cop that comes swinging in through the window to save me when I'm taken hostage? It's a fantasy. Even if I were in imminent danger ,AND a cop arrived in time to do something, I'm almost as likely to be shot by the cop as the actual threat. Not to mention cops are taught to protect themselves first and foremost, and at all costs. No matter how small the threat is. That's why you see them tasering kids and the elderly.

armageddonbound: I love it when cop enablers tell you "you'll be sorry when you need a cop and he doesn't come". Tell me when I'll need a cop... After I'm shot dead so he can file a report? When I'm going 5 over the speed limit? Exactly what kind of fantasy scenario do you envision a cop that comes swinging in through the window to save me when I'm taken hostage? It's a fantasy. Even if I were in imminent danger ,AND a cop arrived in time to do something, I'm almost as likely to be shot by the cop as the actual threat. Not to mention cops are taught to protect themselves first and foremost, and at all costs. No matter how small the threat is. That's why you see them tasering kids and the elderly.

Please stop paying attention.

- The Ministry of Utter Horsesh*t

armageddonbound: I love it when cop enablers tell you "you'll be sorry when you need a cop and he doesn't come". Tell me when I'll need a cop... After I'm shot dead so he can file a report? When I'm going 5 over the speed limit? Exactly what kind of fantasy scenario do you envision a cop that comes swinging in through the window to save me when I'm taken hostage? It's a fantasy. Even if I were in imminent danger ,AND a cop arrived in time to do something, I'm almost as likely to be shot by the cop as the actual threat. Not to mention cops are taught to protect themselves first and foremost, and at all costs. No matter how small the threat is. That's why you see them tasering kids and the elderly.

I've needed cops before and they did fark all for me. I've been forcibly raped in my own apartment, been stalked, and had my car stolen. These happened in different towns/cities. They either chided me for being a victim of a crime or completely disregarded me. It's farking bullshiat.

The Shatner Incident: armageddonbound: I love it when cop enablers tell you "you'll be sorry when you need a cop and he doesn't come". Tell me when I'll need a cop... After I'm shot dead so he can file a report? When I'm going 5 over the speed limit? Exactly what kind of fantasy scenario do you envision a cop that comes swinging in through the window to save me when I'm taken hostage? It's a fantasy. Even if I were in imminent danger ,AND a cop arrived in time to do something, I'm almost as likely to be shot by the cop as the actual threat. Not to mention cops are taught to protect themselves first and foremost, and at all costs. No matter how small the threat is. That's why you see them tasering kids and the elderly.

I've needed cops before and they did fark all for me. I've been forcibly raped in my own apartment, been stalked, and had my car stolen. These happened in different towns/cities. They either chided me for being a victim of a crime or completely disregarded me. It's farking bullshiat.

I had my credit card stolen and the company on the phone who knew who used it, and where they lived, and the detective couldn't be bothered. Good friend of mine had their car stolen, the cops found it (not because they were looking hard, it was abandoned) they asked my friend to not file a report.

keithgabryelski: limboslam: fusillade762: Sleeping Monkey: They are enablers of a system that imprisons more of our population than any country in the world save for China.

Actually we've got China beat by a hefty margin:

[itsnotjustme.com image 510x277]

We're #1! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!

You're missing the part where 90% of China's population live like prisoners.

have you actually been to china or ever even talked to someone that has lived there?

Yeah, China is authoritarian but more wild west, every sheriff has a little kingdom idea, then 1984 every citizen lives life in a prison of government regulation. China is too decentralized and population is way to big for the prison analogy to work. There is a huge migrant population in china that has almost no over site from police or the state something to the tune of about 100 million people. A lot of places in China are guilty in using frontier justice more often then not. Hersey, lack of fair trial, quick executions run rampant in a lot of cities. But the life is a prison analogy, It just falls apart at every level when you look at it.

armageddonbound: The Shatner Incident: armageddonbound: I love it when cop enablers tell you "you'll be sorry when you need a cop and he doesn't come". Tell me when I'll need a cop... After I'm shot dead so he can file a report? When I'm going 5 over the speed limit? Exactly what kind of fantasy scenario do you envision a cop that comes swinging in through the window to save me when I'm taken hostage? It's a fantasy. Even if I were in imminent danger ,AND a cop arrived in time to do something, I'm almost as likely to be shot by the cop as the actual threat. Not to mention cops are taught to protect themselves first and foremost, and at all costs. No matter how small the threat is. That's why you see them tasering kids and the elderly.

I've needed cops before and they did fark all for me. I've been forcibly raped in my own apartment, been stalked, and had my car stolen. These happened in different towns/cities. They either chided me for being a victim of a crime or completely disregarded me. It's farking bullshiat.

I had my credit card stolen and the company on the phone who knew who used it, and where they lived, and the detective couldn't be bothered. Good friend of mine had their car stolen, the cops found it (not because they were looking hard, it was abandoned) they asked my friend to not file a report.

My car was found too, but they never even looked for the guy after doing a report. In fact, I have a pretty good idea who stole mine, since mine was stolen from a small bar. They have fingerprints and everything, which is pretty farked. Then again, the Justice Department investigates my county a farking lot.