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(Daily Kos)   Republicans: Stay at home moms are just as hardworking as working moms. Democrats: Well, then, you won't mind if we let raising children count as work towards welfare, right?   (dailykos.com) divider line 572
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2012-04-18 06:31:05 PM  

MyRandomName: CPennypacker: MyRandomName: LasersHurt: This thread has gone grey almost entirely. Hit a nerve somewhere.

Lol look how super cool you are with an ignore list. Two giant thumbs up. Yay.

What an idiot.

Protip: You're probably on his ignore list.

Protip, I like pointing out ignorance.


Protip: You gotta be a pro to give a protip
 
2012-04-18 06:37:28 PM  
I have to ask, questions make my world go 'round, how many people say raising kids isn't a valid career are female.
 
2012-04-18 06:38:10 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: And if the rich woman takes care of her own kids that's considered work too.

it's work as in it is often a difficult task to do. Putting up a fence in your backyard is hard work too. I don't think anyone would call that a job though.

Philip Francis Queeg: Taking care of rich kids is a valuable contribution to to society worthy of praise and support.

insomuch as having a job is praiseworthy and worthy of support, sure, caring for someone's children as an occupation is good.

Philip Francis Queeg: Taking care of poor kids is just a symptom of laziness and sloth to be castigated and actively discouraged.

looks like you just made this part up.

Yeah, the phrase "lazy welfare queen" has certainly never been heard before, has it?

not by me which makes it odd you'd bring that sort of thing up in response to me

I forgot that you are the entirety of the universe, and that how you personally define work is the ultimate measure.

Tell us Skull, is raising your child not worthy of praise and support because you don't get paid for it? Is it just and occasional chore like putting up a fence? It's not your occupation, so it's really just sort of an intense hobby, right?


Yeah when you are directly responding to what I said with an implication of something I have not said it is my self centeredness at issue and not you shameless, predictable dishonesty.
There is nothing dishonorable about taking care of your kids. There is dishonor in neglecting them though.
But yes it is not a "job" in the sense used here just like painting your garage isn't a "job" in that sense. Please continue to pretend this is not apparent to you though.
 
2012-04-18 06:38:33 PM  
Great. Encourage the welfare queens to shoot out more little Tyrones and Juans. They're already fantastic at having litters and leaving us with the bill.
 
2012-04-18 06:38:59 PM  

The Homer Tax: MyRandomName: Charitable work does not count to tanf either. So that's not work either? Seriously some stupid in this thread.

If you don't get paid, it's not a Real Job. Unless you're rich, then it is.

Do try to keep up.


Lol. I posted as I read. Rosen said work. Do keep up. Again only dumb partisans are equating the two.
 
2012-04-18 06:42:32 PM  

bugontherug: skullkrusher: bugontherug: Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: So if a mother stays home to take care of her own children, that shouldn't be considered "work" for welfare purposes, but if she goes and takes care of a rich woman's children it should be?

yep. Pretty straightforward, no?

And if the rich woman takes care of her own kids that's considered work too.

Taking care of rich kids is a valuable contribution to to society worthy of praise and support. Taking care of poor kids is just a symptom of laziness and sloth to be castigated and actively discouraged.

It is astounding the contortions of reason righties will subject themselves to to defend this man who has no soul.

Oh wait. That's just Skullkrusher. NM.

no contortions necessary to point out the obvious. Pointing out the stupid isn't a defense of the stupid either. As you were though.

You're missing the most basic point in this discussion:

The Romney's, the Republicans, and the corporate media spent all last week making hay out of a pundit's remark that "Ann Romney has never worked a day in her life." They did so by characterizing her remark as an assault on motherhood.

In fact, Mitt Romney said just as clearly as the pundit did that mothers don't work. Ethically, morally, rhetorically, Mitt Romney deserves all the condemnation he and the right heaped on Hilary Rosen last week.

Of course, the stupidity in this dialogue is that both the pundit and Romney were using "work" to refer to "work for pay." I knew that's what Hilary Rosen meant when this whole thing blew up. Now, it seems, the right has suddenly figured out this ambiguity in our language the moment it became necessary to use it to excuse Romney for saying the same thing Hilary Rosen said.

Romney and the right set the precedent last week. People who defend Mitt on this are inexcusable hypocrites. Mitt Romney either hates moms, or is a slanderer. Your call.


This is one of those times where you're unable to comprehend how someone can agree with you on something without swallowing every nonsensical attack on that source of agreement, isn't it?

Of course the right ignored the context of those comments for political gain. Maybe find someone who was actually outraged by what Rosen said?
 
2012-04-18 06:45:55 PM  

PiffMan420: They're already fantastic at having litters and leaving us with the bill.


Do you know how I know you have no idea what you're talking about?
 
2012-04-18 06:46:35 PM  

EWreckedSean: Ah another one who can't have a conversation as an adult.


Just for laughs here are some examples of what our arbiter of "adult conversion" posted in another thread today.

EWreckedSean: Yeah, you're a farking moron.


EWreckedSean: And on top of being an idiot, you've obviously never owned a dog.


EWreckedSean: Yeah, you're a moron. Still.


I so love this guy. The combination of hypocrisy, ignorance, and delusions of superiority is just so precious.
 
2012-04-18 06:48:42 PM  

Benni K Rok: We now have a bill that was spawned because of a comment from a political comment that Ann Romney doesn't have workforce experience because she's a stay at home mom.

Holy maximum trolling indeed.


When did Ann use workforce? Is there one honest liberal on fark? Is it really change a key word to make a strawman day?
 
2012-04-18 06:50:17 PM  

MyRandomName: Benni K Rok: We now have a bill that was spawned because of a comment from a political comment that Ann Romney doesn't have workforce experience because she's a stay at home mom.

Holy maximum trolling indeed.

When did Ann use workforce? Is there one honest liberal on fark? Is it really change a key word to make a strawman day?


There are a number of them, present company excluded
 
2012-04-18 06:52:38 PM  

gimmegimme: Mrtraveler01: skullkrusher: Mrtraveler01: WombatControl: This thread is rich - it's so amusing to see several posters pointing out the gaping logical flaws in the left's argument, only to be drowned out in the circle-jerk of self-adulation.

It's fun to pretend isn't it?

nope, the logical flaws are pretty apparent

I think that this is not a realistic bill, it's just being used to show how full of it the GOP is trying to deflect everyone from the fact the GOP is trying as hard as it can to set women rights back a few decades (slight exaggeration).

Hey, that's not fair. The GOP wants women to have the right to have lower-paying jobs than men. The GOP wants women to have the right to enjoy unplanned pregnancies. Just like the GOP wants gay people to have the right to marry people of the opposite sex.


Lol. Citations for your supposed gop bills. One honest fark liberal is all I ask for. One.
 
2012-04-18 06:53:40 PM  

MyRandomName: The Homer Tax: MyRandomName: Charitable work does not count to tanf either. So that's not work either? Seriously some stupid in this thread.

If you don't get paid, it's not a Real Job. Unless you're rich, then it is.

Do try to keep up.

Lol. I posted as I read. Rosen said work. Do keep up. Again only dumb partisans are equating the two.


If that's what Rosen meant (that Anne had never WORKED period, not just a job), wouldn't she have been implying that Anne Romney never WORKED out at the gym, or WORKED in a garden, or WORKED on a schedule, or WORKED on her wedding plan, etc etc? Do you really actually think that's what she meant? That Anne had literally (LITERALLY) never engaged in any form of work?

Please say yes. It will make you the first person to be such a pinheaded asshat to reach my ignore list.
 
2012-04-18 06:59:59 PM  

spiderpaz: MyRandomName: The Homer Tax: MyRandomName: Charitable work does not count to tanf either. So that's not work either? Seriously some stupid in this thread.

If you don't get paid, it's not a Real Job. Unless you're rich, then it is.

Do try to keep up.

Lol. I posted as I read. Rosen said work. Do keep up. Again only dumb partisans are equating the two.

If that's what Rosen meant (that Anne had never WORKED period, not just a job), wouldn't she have been implying that Anne Romney never WORKED out at the gym, or WORKED in a garden, or WORKED on a schedule, or WORKED on her wedding plan, etc etc? Do you really actually think that's what she meant? That Anne had literally (LITERALLY) never engaged in any form of work?

Please say yes. It will make you the first person to be such a pinheaded asshat to reach my ignore list.


Do blow jobs count? Though I suppose that technically Ann would be giving the job in that case rather than receiving it. Why do you hate Job Creators?
 
2012-04-18 07:01:06 PM  

skullkrusher: spiderpaz: MyRandomName: The Homer Tax: MyRandomName: Charitable work does not count to tanf either. So that's not work either? Seriously some stupid in this thread.

If you don't get paid, it's not a Real Job. Unless you're rich, then it is.

Do try to keep up.

Lol. I posted as I read. Rosen said work. Do keep up. Again only dumb partisans are equating the two.

If that's what Rosen meant (that Anne had never WORKED period, not just a job), wouldn't she have been implying that Anne Romney never WORKED out at the gym, or WORKED in a garden, or WORKED on a schedule, or WORKED on her wedding plan, etc etc? Do you really actually think that's what she meant? That Anne had literally (LITERALLY) never engaged in any form of work?

Please say yes. It will make you the first person to be such a pinheaded asshat to reach my ignore list.

Do blow jobs count? Though I suppose that technically Ann would be giving the job in that case rather than receiving it. Why do you hate Job Creators?


Its a job if she's doing it right.
 
2012-04-18 07:03:38 PM  

skullkrusher: Do blow jobs count? Though I suppose that technically Ann would be giving the job in that case rather than receiving it. Why do you hate Job Creators?


I'd like to say that makes me a job creator by that position is usually left vacant thanks to my no-blow-job-giving wife.

/Don't have kids
 
2012-04-18 07:05:04 PM  
I think it's great. No one should have to work if they don't want to.
 
2012-04-18 07:05:17 PM  

spiderpaz: skullkrusher: Do blow jobs count? Though I suppose that technically Ann would be giving the job in that case rather than receiving it. Why do you hate Job Creators?

I'd like to say that makes me a job creator by that position is usually left vacant thanks to my no-blow-job-giving wife.

/Don't have kids


You need to address that shiat ASAP.
 
2012-04-18 07:08:25 PM  
Ok, any single dads have an opinion about raising kids is, or isn't, a full time career?
 
2012-04-18 07:34:35 PM  

Aarontology: I wonder how the GOP is going to spin mothers staying home to raise their kids as bad and evil.


Simple: If the mother is poor, she's a lazy welfare queen who doesn't want to work. If the mother is rich, how dare you say it isn't work.
 
2012-04-18 07:35:47 PM  
I freakin' love this. Okay, everyone on Twitter, please tweet @edshow and @maddow to report on this. We need to pump this trolling up from max to hyper-max.
 
2012-04-18 07:37:08 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: So if a mother stays home to take care of her own children, that shouldn't be considered "work" for welfare purposes, but if she goes and takes care of a rich woman's children it should be?


TANF actually counts taking care of someone else's child as work. Around 6:15 Link. The whole segment is good. Episode. Show.
 
2012-04-18 07:37:10 PM  

MyRandomName: gimmegimme: Mrtraveler01: skullkrusher: Mrtraveler01: WombatControl: This thread is rich - it's so amusing to see several posters pointing out the gaping logical flaws in the left's argument, only to be drowned out in the circle-jerk of self-adulation.

It's fun to pretend isn't it?

nope, the logical flaws are pretty apparent

I think that this is not a realistic bill, it's just being used to show how full of it the GOP is trying to deflect everyone from the fact the GOP is trying as hard as it can to set women rights back a few decades (slight exaggeration).

Hey, that's not fair. The GOP wants women to have the right to have lower-paying jobs than men. The GOP wants women to have the right to enjoy unplanned pregnancies. Just like the GOP wants gay people to have the right to marry people of the opposite sex.

Lol. Citations for your supposed gop bills. One honest fark liberal is all I ask for. One.


Link
 
2012-04-18 07:42:59 PM  
I've been a stay-at-home mom for 13 years now so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

Is frickin' *everything* about getting money, now? Yeesh! Being a mother is difficult. Being a good mother is really difficult. If this kind of thing goes into action, there's going to be mother evaluation panels and standards for raising kids that's enforced by the IRS, otherwise you might not be raising-your-kidsing enough. Or on-the-job subsidies for extra-motherly activities, such as farking your husband/the father/partner (assuming you have one), or perhaps, as a single mother, you are entitled to a certain amount in deductibles for relaxing massages.
 
2012-04-18 07:45:03 PM  

Aracnix: I've been a stay-at-home mom for 13 years now so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

Is frickin' *everything* about getting money, now? Yeesh! Being a mother is difficult. Being a good mother is really difficult. If this kind of thing goes into action, there's going to be mother evaluation panels and standards for raising kids that's enforced by the IRS, otherwise you might not be raising-your-kidsing enough. Or on-the-job subsidies for extra-motherly activities, such as farking your husband/the father/partner (assuming you have one), or perhaps, as a single mother, you are entitled to a certain amount in deductibles for relaxing massages.


I just love the idea that Mitt, if his position is consistent, should have filled out a W-2 for his wife because of her child care services. (He would be listed as the employer, right?)
 
2012-04-18 07:45:19 PM  

EWreckedSean: (Dozens and dozens of posts)


api.ning.com
 
2012-04-18 07:53:15 PM  

bugontherug: This defense, that Mitt was talking about work for pay, applies equally to Hilary Rosen's comments.


I've said very little about Mitt. I've talked about Ann and the apples-oranges bill that's now wasting time and money. I'll have to review, but I think the only comment I've made about Mitt was that I won't be voting for him.
 
2012-04-18 07:55:09 PM  
Uh.....no subby. Its ok if your husband foots your bills. Its not ok if my tax money pays for you to stay home.
 
2012-04-18 07:59:27 PM  
Sure!! Of course we just eliminated welfare in its entirety, so there's that.

/wishful thinking
 
2012-04-18 08:04:31 PM  

MyRandomName: Again only dumb partisans are equating the two.


We'll have to take your word on what dumb partisans think.
 
2012-04-18 08:08:17 PM  

torr5962: Uh.....no subby. Its ok if your husband foots your bills. Its not ok if my tax money pays for you to stay home.


As somebody else said, it's largely symbolic. Sort of like when the Republicans tried to put an amendment on a bill concerning sex offenders getting Viagra knowing the Dems wouldn't pass it because it would reset the voting process on the bill, but giving themselves an idiotic talking point in the process.

This allows the Democrats to hammer the Republicans who inevitably won't support the legislation as not actually caring for stay-at-home moms unless they're rich and white.

The downsides here for the Dems are if:
(1) Their bluff gets called and the Repubs pass it, because logically, there are probably quite a few big holes in it.
or (2) The Republicans actually decide to draft legislation to help stay-at-home moms, which would completely render this gambit useless.
 
2012-04-18 08:10:31 PM  

Johnny Lemonhead: (2) The Republicans actually decide to draft legislation to help (insert word or phrase other than "themselves" here)


You're funny.
 
2012-04-18 08:10:35 PM  
I realize I'm being super-liberal right now, but I'd be ok with ALL children in the United States having access to money for food and shelter. But no, you're right, those little farkers need to get a job and pull up their own boot-straps and not let mommy and daddy do everything.
 
2012-04-18 08:11:19 PM  

The Why Not Guy: Johnny Lemonhead: (2) The Republicans actually decide to draft legislation to help (insert word or phrase other than "themselves" here)

You're funny.


Oh, I don't think that one has a chance in hell of happening. I just wanted to list it for the sake of completeness.
 
2012-04-18 08:13:16 PM  

WombatControl: Oh, how I love the left these days. Who else can:

1) Do something incredibly politically stupid;
2) Have not even the slightest comprehension of why it's politically stupid to do aforementioned thing;
3) Pat each other on the back for doing it while braying about their own intellectual superiority;
4) Lash out at anyone who challenges them for doing aforementioned thing.

Please, please, run on this idea. Please tell every undecided voter how awesome the Democrats are and how great they are at "trolling" the other side. It'll help ensure a landslide... just not for Obama.


Just out of curiosity, are you aware how stupid you sound?
 
2012-04-18 08:13:42 PM  

HellRaisingHoosier: I realize I'm being super-liberal right now, but I'd be ok with ALL children in the United States having access to money for food and shelter.


It's sad that this would even be a political position. It just seems like common human decency to me.
 
2012-04-18 08:24:29 PM  

MFL: gilgigamesh The democrats are expecting this will play out like this:

They may expect it but tend to be wrong most of the time.

- Republicans made a bunch of boneheaded policy decisions which denigrate women (or, being charitable, appear to denigrate women, but its the same deal since perception is reality in politics)

Like what? Most women with a brain understand that not forcing religous institutions to provide free contraception isn't the same thing as banning it.

- Republicans make a clumsy attempt to show they are pro-woman by championing Ann Romney as a symbol of the glories of being a stay at home mom

Ann Romney will be a force in this election. She's much more likeable and pays for her own vacations.

- Dems propose legislation favoring stay at home moms; knowing not a single Republican can possibly support it

A. Most stay at home moms don't want or need the government. They are financially independant enough to stay home.

B. The single biggest piece of legislation Dems could propose would be to scrap everything they have done in the last 4 years so the economy grows.

- Republican "stay at home mom" narrative blows up in their faces as dems call them out as hypocrites who are all talk and no action

Dems call republicans all sorts of stuff. The only people that care won't vote republican anyway.

The 2008 lemming effect is over; no one believes any more that he will lower the seas or wants to believe that he can. Michelle's lightness/darkness biblical image she portrayed the other day is hokey not moving. The fading 2008 Obama bumper stickers are no longer proof of one's noble nature.

Obama will weave together the usual straw men, the formulaic "let me perfectly clear." "make no mistake about it," and the fat-cat/pay-your-fair share vocabulary.

But the public is growing tired of whiners and blamers.


NO ONE THOUGHT THIS!

I remember 2008, it wasn't that long ago. You can sit here and pretend your reality is correct, but it's simply not true. Not a SINGLE person who voted thought that President Obama could fix all the fark-ups that the Republicans put us in. But they knew there would be change. And there has been amazing change.

Unemployment is down
Stocks are up
Taxes have been lowered
Businesses are hiring
Gun rights have been expanded
Finance has been reformed
Millions of American now have healthcare


Pretty good start if you ask me. And you can bet your bottom dollars it's just the START. Do you want to know why? Because the fat-cat-pretty-boy the Republicans picked ain't gonna win. Dems tried it in 2004 against a horribly unpopular president. Didn't work then and it ain't gonna work now.

The funny part is that y'all have brainwashed yourselves into a corner. There are legitimate complaints about President Obama, but the constant backhanded comments and acts just look childish to unaffiliated people like myself. I'm a Hoosier, healthy, white, educated, employed, conservative from the Bible-belt ... and I'm voting for a black man from Chicago. The Republicans should be farking scared right now. I AM their key demographic.
 
2012-04-18 08:26:24 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: So if a mother stays home to take care of her own children, that shouldn't be considered "work" for welfare purposes, but if she goes and takes care of a rich woman's children it should be?

yep. Pretty straightforward, no?

And if the rich woman takes care of her own kids that's considered work too.



no, it's not work as in a job, at all.
it's *hard work*, as in a difficult endeavor but it is also uncompensated.

hillary rosen said *Anne hasn't worked a day in her life.* and instead of trying to deny this fact, Anne came back with *raising my kids was very hard work.*
and then democrats like you caved like a bunch of pussies and told rosen to apologize.
 
2012-04-18 08:29:38 PM  

HellRaisingHoosier:
I remember 2008, it wasn't that long ago. You can sit here and pretend your reality is correct, but it's simply not true. Not a SINGLE person who voted thought that President Obama could fix all the fark-ups that the Republicans put us in. But they knew there would be change. And there has been amazing change.

Unemployment is down
Stocks are up
Taxes have been lowered
Businesses are hiring
Gun rights have been expanded
Finance has been reformed
Millions of American now have healthcare
.


It really is amazing what Obama has done over the past 3-plus years. He's done it all with the Republicans trying to stop him from doing ANYTHING. It's like trying to climb Mt. Everest with Rush Limbaugh holding onto your anchor calling you a seekrit mooslim and your thin, fit wife a cow.
 
2012-04-18 08:34:40 PM  
That's hilarious, but do we really want our system of government to be based on a prank war?
 
2012-04-18 08:40:45 PM  

skullkrusher: bugontherug: skullkrusher: Philip Francis Queeg: Taking care of poor kids is just a symptom of laziness and sloth to be castigated and actively discouraged.

looks like you just made this part up.


Yeah. He just made that up. Right wing stereotypes of welfare mothers are really meant to honor them, not castigate them.

Do people actually say that poor people taking care of their kids is a bad thing? If anything the argument seems to be that they often don't do that and should.

No doubt that many a conservative has talked about the laziness of people on welfare but I have never heard using the fact that they care for their kids as evidence of that or that they should be castigated for it.


To answer your question for reals:

Actually, yes. I've heard and seen many conservatives berating poor/single moms over the fact that they have too many kids to care for when they should be working.

Generally, the diatribe goes like this: They shouldn't have kids they can't support. If they didn't have so many kids they could work to support the kids they do have. If they have to stay home with all those kids, it's proof that they're having extra kids so they don't have to work and can live off the welfare the extra kids provide.

BUT: Since they're poor, they can't be taking care of their kids like they should be. Therefore, they should be out working instead of staying home taking care of their kids and living on welfare. If they were GOOD moms, they'd be working instead of staying in their homes and trying to make a better life for their kids by earning more and being less poor instead of staying home for the children.

If that sounds completely retarded, it's because it is, but that's the actual cognitive split you get from the conservative anti-woman base.
 
2012-04-18 08:42:45 PM  
Wasn't Hilary Rosen trying to make the point that Ann Romney was out of touch with the working class?
Are they trying to tell me that Ann understands the struggles of the working class because she has kids? I don't buy it.
 
2012-04-18 08:44:05 PM  
Judo. This is how it is done.
 
2012-04-18 08:49:00 PM  
The only comment I have to say about this article is this: my grandmother on my mother's side found herself in the middle of the great depression with 7 kids, widowed, and nothing more than a 8th grade education. Somehow, she managed to raise her kids to adulthood - all turned out to be productive citizens of society - and managed to do it all without one thin dime of help from the federal, state or local government.

Why? Because she - like most people of that time - felt that it was her responsibility to take care of her children.

Today's gimme, gimme, gimme society are nothing but a bunch of entitled, whiney, self-absorbed brats.
 
2012-04-18 08:56:39 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Thanks for the awesome birthday present, Ann!


And so it begins...
 
2012-04-18 08:59:38 PM  

Yeah_Right: The only comment I have to say about this article is this: my grandmother on my mother's side found herself in the middle of the great depression with 7 kids, widowed, and nothing more than a 8th grade education. Somehow, she managed to raise her kids to adulthood - all turned out to be productive citizens of society - and managed to do it all without one thin dime of help from the federal, state or local government.

Why? Because she - like most people of that time - felt that it was her responsibility to take care of her children.

Today's gimme, gimme, gimme society are nothing but a bunch of entitled, whiney, self-absorbed brats.


So a widow with an 8th grade education during the great depression and no prospect of public assistance...

What did she do, turn tricks?
 
2012-04-18 09:01:25 PM  

Yeah_Right: The only comment I have to say about this article is this: my grandmother on my mother's side found herself in the middle of the great depression with 7 kids, widowed, and nothing more than a 8th grade education. Somehow, she managed to raise her kids to adulthood - all turned out to be productive citizens of society - and managed to do it all without one thin dime of help from the federal, state or local government.

Why? Because she - like most people of that time - felt that it was her responsibility to take care of her children.

Today's gimme, gimme, gimme society are nothing but a bunch of entitled, whiney, self-absorbed brats.


Yep. The old "everyone is stupid and sucks but me and my family."

A classic.
 
2012-04-18 09:05:02 PM  

Two_Noodles: Wasn't Hilary Rosen trying to make the point that Ann Romney was out of touch with the working class?
Are they trying to tell me that Ann understands the struggles of the working class because she has kids? I don't buy it.


The dumb people (Republicans) are arguing over the definition of "work." Instead of confronting the truth--that Ann Romney has never had a job in her adult life, thereby rendering her out of touch with working-class mothers--they are arguing over semantics. Republicans have no truth, but they can get votes by appealing to the worst instincts of their voters by arguing over the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin.
 
2012-04-18 09:09:02 PM  

Yeah_Right: The only comment I have to say about this article is this: my grandmother on my mother's side found herself in the middle of the great depression with 7 kids, widowed, and nothing more than a 8th grade education. Somehow, she managed to raise her kids to adulthood - all turned out to be productive citizens of society - and managed to do it all without one thin dime of help from the federal, state or local government.

Why? Because she - like most people of that time - felt that it was her responsibility to take care of her children.

Today's gimme, gimme, gimme society are nothing but a bunch of entitled, whiney, self-absorbed brats.


Hey, you called my name! You do realize that you are parroting the Republican motto: FARK YOU, I GOT MINE!

Right?

///At least you're a fellow non-Christian. We have that much in common.
 
2012-04-18 09:13:24 PM  

Evil Twin Skippy: Yeah_Right: The only comment I have to say about this article is this: my grandmother on my mother's side found herself in the middle of the great depression with 7 kids, widowed, and nothing more than a 8th grade education. Somehow, she managed to raise her kids to adulthood - all turned out to be productive citizens of society - and managed to do it all without one thin dime of help from the federal, state or local government.

Why? Because she - like most people of that time - felt that it was her responsibility to take care of her children.

Today's gimme, gimme, gimme society are nothing but a bunch of entitled, whiney, self-absorbed brats.

So a widow with an 8th grade education during the great depression and no prospect of public assistance...

What did she do, turn tricks?


No. But, with her limited education - she had to go work for a distillery --- which was completely opposite of her morals (she hated alcohol) and took on after-work jobs such as laundry and dress-making/repair to supplement her income.
 
2012-04-18 09:15:22 PM  

gimmegimme: The dumb people (Republicans) are arguing over the definition of "work." Instead of confronting the truth--that Ann Romney has never had a job in her adult life, thereby rendering her out of touch with working-class mothers--they are arguing over semantics. Republicans have no truth, but they can get votes by appealing to the worst instincts of their voters by arguing over the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin.


Exactly.

I have nothing against Ann Romney. She seems like a nice person, and I wouldn't wish her health issues on anyone. However, she's one of the last people I'd go to for advice or insight on the economic struggles women face in America. I applaud her charity work, but that's something she does because she wants to. She never had to worry about making ends meet on a single paycheck. She never had to worry about losing her only source of income because she used too many sick days. She never had to drag herself into work after a chemo treatment because she couldn't risk being fired. She never had to lose a day's pay (or more) to care for a sick child.

These are issues thousands if not millions of working parents deal with every day. I'd rather see Mitt ask them for advice than his wife.
 
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