gimmegimme: EWreckedSean: PreMortem: Thrag: EWreckedSean: You tell me, is running a charity a job? Or does a volunteer job not count as an actual job?

I'll let you answer this one

EWreckedSean: The TANF is talking about working at a job to provide income, not about working hard at something.

Self trolled. Wow

It might seem that way if you stupidly confuse what a job is and what TANF is looking for to meet it's requirements.

Yes, and TANF should not consider being a stay-at-home mom a job because it's not. We got it. Raising children is hard work, but it's not a job. You've come through loud and clear. Ann Romney has never had a job. We're aware!

According to Mitt she also has never had any dignity either.

Jackson Herring: Also if this even makes it out of committee, it will not get a single Republican vote.

It would get very few den votes as well. It is a retarded bill. Yes, let's pay women money to just pop out kids. That's working great in Britain.

EWreckedSean: No, I was quoting myself, since you seemed to miss it. Twice apparently. But hey why address a fact when you can accuse me of having multiple accounts right!

You didn't answer my previous question. The way I interpret what you've been saying in this thread is that a "job" is only that which gets welfare, volunteer work doesn't get welfare, so it's not a "job", therefore Ann Romney has never had a "job". Is this correct?

gilgigamesh: EWreckedSean: A deduction and tax break is different from a pay out. One you give less money, the other you are given money.

That's funny. I could swear republicans make exactly the opposite argument about oil company subsidies. I wonder why.

No, we actually make the same point about oil "subsidies". A tax break isn't a subsidy, it's a tax break. Democrats are the one's who suggest otherwise. The "oil" subsidies are all nothing but tax breaks most companies get. They get zero money from the government.

odinsposse: Guidette Frankentits: I'm surprised the Dems didn't add an amnesty for Illegals portion to this bill.

Or at least give them work visas if they have kids here.

Or this. I guess the dems didn't want the Rethugs hammering them on just this instead of addressing the original issue.

The Homer Tax: Being a stay at home mom is not, was not, and will not ever be a "real job" so it's not applicable.


The GOP camp called that position a 'War on Moms' just a few days ago. I suppose they can add this to their overall war on women.

While attributing your weaknesses to your opponent can be successful, doing it so poorly is sure to end badly.

stpauler: Amusing and +1 for the democrats...but there's still that other part of me that thinks that we need some eugenics going on for those on welfare.

Yeah, it's only drug addled losers on Welfare, right? No situations where one kid has Down's Syndrome, and as soon as kid #2 rolls around(No health issues, BTW), Dad leaves, and Mom has nothing, no child support, no way to raise a new infant and a Down's Syndrome child. Nothing. Must be her fault, and eugenics would just tidy all of that up,.

rufus-t-firefly: Sure, some women don't have the luxury of choosing work or family, but why should Ann be concerned about that?

Because Multiple Sclerosis. Or something. MOTHERHOOD. War on Conservative Women. Stop hating us blacks/latinos/women/poor people/middle class/people we've spent the last 30 years shiatting on. Learn to love your betters. GODDAMNIT WE'RE JUST LIKE YOU!

Blues_X: EWreckedSean: Blues_X: I give less than 24 hours until a Republican says "well, it counts for Romney because she was rich."

How about it counts for Romney because she wasn't asking somebody else to pick up the bill?

It's either work, or it isn't.

Paid work is not the only type of work moron.

I love this. Republicans talk out of their ass fueled by hatred and spite because it's the only thing they're good at, the Dems call them on it, and we get to watch the fallout as they twist themselves into pretzels trying backtrack while searching for a way to hide the fact that they are nothing more than a party of bigotry, misogyny and lies.

12349876: EWreckedSean: No, I was quoting myself, since you seemed to miss it. Twice apparently. But hey why address a fact when you can accuse me of having multiple accounts right!

You didn't answer my previous question. The way I interpret what you've been saying in this thread is that a "job" is only that which gets welfare, volunteer work doesn't get welfare, so it's not a "job", therefore Ann Romney has never had a "job". Is this correct?

A job that only gets welfare? Did you mean a job that only gets income?

Serious Black: skullkrusher: theorellior: skullkrusher: that headline. It make-a no sense

C'mon, man, I know you like stirring the crock, but that's pretty weak.

it's nonsense. Yeah, being a stay at home mom is hard work. Yet, I don't see how this would translate into fulfilling the "you gotta be working or looking for work" requirement of receiving welfare benefits. The point of that is not to be doing hard work - you could be breaking rocks in your backyard all day as a way to stay busy - but rather to reduce the length of time you'll require assistance.

If that's the point of requiring people to work to get welfare, then TANF is failing miserably.

I'm not against helping red states. but there is a problem with examples like Texas. They drastically cut their federal emergency funding and then complain to the federal government for funding to make up for the funding they cut when a disaster strikes. They know we (liberals) want to help people so they abuse it to lower taxes and not have any services then turn to us for help when they get into a jam. while at the same time mocking us for having high taxes (which get used to help save their asses)

LasersHurt: This thread has gone grey almost entirely. Hit a nerve somewhere.

Lol look how super cool you are with an ignore list. Two giant thumbs up. Yay.

What an idiot.

EWreckedSean: Blues_X: I give less than 24 hours until a Republican says "well, it counts for Romney because she was rich."

How about it counts for Romney because she wasn't asking somebody else to pick up the bill?

It's not who was or wasn't picking up the bill, but the fact that they have been proclaiming it to be "work" now for the last week or so. If it's work, then they must be covered under Welfare.

MyRandomName: Jackson Herring: Also if this even makes it out of committee, it will not get a single Republican vote.

It would get very few den votes as well. It is a retarded bill. Yes, let's pay women money to just pop out kids. That's working great in Britain.

It doesn't have to. The Republicans hold a majority in the house, they'll vote it down. In the Senate, the bill would be fillibustered. It's bullsh*t kabuki theater but it shows just how good the Democrats have gotten at all of sudden making Republicans pay a steep, steep price for trying to play on their turf: women's issues, choice, etc.

MyRandomName: LasersHurt: This thread has gone grey almost entirely. Hit a nerve somewhere.

Lol look how super cool you are with an ignore list. Two giant thumbs up. Yay.

What an idiot.

Protip: You're probably on his ignore list.

EWreckedSean: gimmegimme: EWreckedSean: PreMortem: Thrag: EWreckedSean: You tell me, is running a charity a job? Or does a volunteer job not count as an actual job?

I'll let you answer this one

EWreckedSean: The TANF is talking about working at a job to provide income, not about working hard at something.

Self trolled. Wow

It might seem that way if you stupidly confuse what a job is and what TANF is looking for to meet it's requirements.

Yes, and TANF should not consider being a stay-at-home mom a job because it's not. We got it. Raising children is hard work, but it's not a job. You've come through loud and clear. Ann Romney has never had a job. We're aware!

Raising her children wasn't a job certainly. I don't know if she ever worked before getting married offhand, do you? A side from that, would you consider the charities she ran a job, since she didn't get paid?

As a proud Republican, I don't think that people accomplish anything by working in the community to organize resources and raise money to help those who refuse to improve their own lives. I'm a big believer in personal responsibility.

liam76: They didn't "nail" this one because they took the opposite side of the argument when it came to Ann Romeny.

Like most things, it's different if you're rich.

I wouldn't expect a Lib to understand.

EWreckedSean: 12349876: EWreckedSean: No, I was quoting myself, since you seemed to miss it. Twice apparently. But hey why address a fact when you can accuse me of having multiple accounts right!

You didn't answer my previous question. The way I interpret what you've been saying in this thread is that a "job" is only that which gets welfare, volunteer work doesn't get welfare, so it's not a "job", therefore Ann Romney has never had a "job". Is this correct?

A job that only gets welfare? Did you mean a job that only gets income?

qualifies under the welfare to work program would have been a better phrase there, but yes work that provides an income. If that's the only thing that is a "job" which is my impression of what you believe from this thread, then Ann Romney has never had a "job"

The Homer Tax: liam76: They didn't "nail" this one because they took the opposite side of the argument when it came to Ann Romeny.

Like most things, it's different if you're rich.

I wouldn't expect a Lib to understand.





I think you dropped these.

StrangeQ: I love this. Republicans talk out of their ass fueled by hatred and spite because it's the only thing they're good at, the Dems call them on it, and we get to watch the fallout as they twist themselves into pretzels trying backtrack while searching for a way to hide the fact that they are nothing more than a party of bigotry, misogyny and lies.

I love how your only contribution to the thread is to rag on other people, complain about their hatred and spite, and then pat yourself on the back. The irony I'm sure is lost.

Chelle82: i
Sure, but the working mother/father has to do all that work on top of the time and stress associated with their outside job. Not saying you disagree with that, but I don't find much merit in the argument some make that stay-at-home moms have a "harder" job than working moms. It's not like the working mom (if she's a decent parent) doesn't also have to clean the house, cook dinner, grocery shop, help with homework, give baths, read stories, get the kids to various practices and activities, etc.

/One kid under two, one on the way. I now work 30 hours per week, and think it's a nice balance. But I also feel lucky that we can afford this scenario.

Not saying working parents have it easier. My sis is fortunate that her husband makes enough that she can be a stay at home mom. Working parents/ parent can have it much harder. Child care is expensive and many places have waiting periods to get your child in. Not to mention the challenge of trying to get a work schedule that allows one to be involved in their children's lives. One to many trips to the doctor and to the school can even cost a working parent their job causing all kinds of crap to fly.

stpauler: but there's still that other part of me that thinks that we need some eugenics going on for those on welfare.

I'm the most liberal liberal that ever stole your guns, but I'll agree with your proposal 100%. I do have one small requirement, however. It must also apply to those on corporate welfare. Deal?

Serious Black: EWreckedSean: liam76: EWreckedSean: Gotta love the left. Always looking for new ways to get other people to pay for other people choices. I wonder if they realize this money would likely pour into places like Mississippi and Alabama?

You think they really believe it has even the tiniest chance of passing?

They are pointing out the double standard of every tard who got upset over the recent comments on Ann's work.

Pretty sure you were one of them.

How does saying staying at home raising kids is hard work equate to government should fund you to stay at home?

If it doesn't count as work for the legal purposes of qualifying for TANF, I'm pretty sure it shouldn't count as work for any other purposes.

Charitable work does not count to tanf either. So that's not work either? Seriously some stupid in this thread.

Jackson Herring: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: You got my attention for "thumb-dicked sh*tpossum."

I almost ran over a possum last night so I am mad at possums

It's a neologism worthy of Jim Lahey. May you almost kill something else tonight and thus turn another phrase like a master carpenter on a golden lathe.

EWreckedSean: StrangeQ: I love this. Republicans talk out of their ass fueled by hatred and spite because it's the only thing they're good at, the Dems call them on it, and we get to watch the fallout as they twist themselves into pretzels trying backtrack while searching for a way to hide the fact that they are nothing more than a party of bigotry, misogyny and lies.

I love how your only contribution to the thread is to rag on other people, complain about their hatred and spite, and then pat yourself on the back. The irony I'm sure is lost.

I'm pleased you agree that the Republicans take mostly hateful and spiteful positions that fall in line with the R-MONEY 2012 slogan: FARK YOU, I GOT MINE.

theorellior: skullkrusher: You're lolololing along with this alleged "trolling" waste of time and resources and I'm the dumbfark?

No, skullkrusher, I'm laughing at an astute piece of political theatre and you're acting all confused about a headline on Fark to get people annoyed. Carry on, it's highly entertaining.

I am not confused about the headline. The words and the message it is meant to convey is clear. However, it is farking asinine. I am sorry if pointing out that what you consider "astute political theatre" is actually "Yahoo board level trolling logic" upsets entertains you.

Jackson Herring: It's amazing how EWS's continual failure to acknowledge objective reality can literally consume an ENTIRE thread.

I could make literally the funniest, most insightful post in the history of the internet (in theory, in reality I am a Bad Poster), and I wouldn't get 1/10 the attention you guys give that thumb-dicked shiatpossum.

I could post this:



which refers to EWS but doesn't say his name because I don't want to get in trouble.

LOOK AT IT IT IS A FAT DOG AND NOT A TROLL.

MyRandomName: Serious Black: EWreckedSean: liam76: EWreckedSean: Gotta love the left. Always looking for new ways to get other people to pay for other people choices. I wonder if they realize this money would likely pour into places like Mississippi and Alabama?

You think they really believe it has even the tiniest chance of passing?

They are pointing out the double standard of every tard who got upset over the recent comments on Ann's work.

Pretty sure you were one of them.

How does saying staying at home raising kids is hard work equate to government should fund you to stay at home?

If it doesn't count as work for the legal purposes of qualifying for TANF, I'm pretty sure it shouldn't count as work for any other purposes.

Charitable work does not count to tanf either. So that's not work either? Seriously some stupid in this thread.

Please re-read the thread and look at the difference between "work" and "job."

MyRandomName: Charitable work does not count to tanf either. So that's not work either? Seriously some stupid in this thread.

If you don't get paid, it's not a Real Job. Unless you're rich, then it is.

Do try to keep up.

EWreckedSean: So is going to school
So is maintaining my lawn
So is teaching little league baseball

Let's stop confusing working a paying job, which is what TANF is concerned about, with working hard.

But FoxNews isn't going insane saying that Anne Romney spending 40 hours a week mowing her lawn is that same as working for a living ... or any other of your stupid ass examples.

someonelse: EWreckedSean: EWreckedSean: The TANF is talking about working at a job to provide income, not about working hard at something.

You mean there's a difference? You think maybe that's what Hillary Rosen was getting at? Good lord, you're a ridiculous person.

He's a penis, and I suspect he's very much enjoying being simultaneously flogged by multiple people.

WombatControl: Oh, how I love the left these days. Who else can:

1) Do something incredibly politically stupid;
2) Have not even the slightest comprehension of why it's politically stupid to do aforementioned thing;
3) Pat each other on the back for doing it while braying about their own intellectual superiority;
4) Lash out at anyone who challenges them for doing aforementioned thing.

You mean, other than the Republicans?

What about the Men's Option to Raise Kids?!

Karma Chameleon: I'm torn. This really sticks it to Republicans which is great, but I'm seriously tired of subsidizing babies and sanctimonious mothers.

well we could subsidize abortions and contraceptives.

apoptotic: someonelse: EWreckedSean: EWreckedSean: The TANF is talking about working at a job to provide income, not about working hard at something.

You mean there's a difference? You think maybe that's what Hillary Rosen was getting at? Good lord, you're a ridiculous person.

He's a penis, and I suspect he's very much enjoying being simultaneously flogged by multiple people.

I kind of enjoy how pathetic most of you are actually. It just confirms what I already know.

Jackson Herring: See that's what makes it way better than my very specific Deep Thoughts macro. You can use it in every single thread regardless of which specific person is posting deep thoughts.

I just checked and there might be some bad news:

Link

EWreckedSean: StrangeQ: I love this. Republicans talk out of their ass fueled by hatred and spite because it's the only thing they're good at, the Dems call them on it, and we get to watch the fallout as they twist themselves into pretzels trying backtrack while searching for a way to hide the fact that they are nothing more than a party of bigotry, misogyny and lies.

I love how your only contribution to the thread is to rag on other people, complain about their hatred and spite, and then pat yourself on the back. The irony I'm sure is lost.

That's worse than persistently trying to "win" every argument on the Internet? You don't think that's also a waste of time? The whole thing is a waste of time - regardless of your roll in it. Wasting time is fun sometimes though.

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What about the Men's Option to Raise Kids?!

Giggity

Jake Havechek: EWreckedSean: And we thought there was welfare queens under the old system. Let's create a system where as long as you pop a kid out every three years you can stay on welfare permanently. That's brilliant!

Or nip it in the bud with more funds for Planned Parenthood.

Or ... you know... accept what's her name's apology.

Lady: "Ann Romney hasn't worked a day in her life."
GOP: "Y U HATE MOTHERS DUMBOCRAPS!?"
Obama: "Yeah, that's out of line. No reason to disparage Ann. Raising children is hard work."
GOP: "I'm going to ignore that and pretend that Obama said these words himself! And that he speaks not only for every Democrat in the country, but also for every progressive and liberal as well!"
Progressives, Liberals and Democrats: "uh..."
one week later
PLD: "Wait a second. So you've been telling us for decades about Welfare Moms and how these people need to get a job... and now you've been telling us for a week that raising kids is just like working. Can we somehow... I donno... highlight this crap?"

Now this.

I mean, it's not accomplishing anything worthwhile besides throwing pies in the faces of some of the clowns tooling around in congress today.