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(The Daily Beast)   Why can't the Democrats and Republicans work together? Look to how the GOP operates: "Half of them are Michele Bachmann. The other half are afraid of losing a primary to Michele Bachmann"   (andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com) divider line 196
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2012-04-18 05:58:56 PM

Hydra: The Dems dig their heels in as much as Repubs on everything to placate their respective constituencies.


If that were true, then the Bush years wouldn't have been nearly as damaging as they were.
 
2012-04-18 05:59:14 PM

Antimatter: Urban areas have distinct issues from rural areas. Austin, for example, is known for being very liberal. To dilute our influence on a state and national level, we are being divided up and grouped with very conservative areas. As a result, most democrats or suburbanites will lose their seats on a local and national level. this was specifically done to achieve more GOP held seats on a state and national level


I feel your pain. IL dems did the corillary to that. We lose a seat and the rural area gets a seat taken away and a few safe dem seats were expanded out just enough to pick up the rural areas while maintaining a dem majority.
 
2012-04-18 06:03:47 PM

Magic_Button: Thanks Submitty

I had a vision of a not so distant future when the GOP embrace cloning ( prolly after some clone car vagina family can't spit out any more kids and still want more for Jebus ) and half the house and senate is wild eye , crazy grin Bachmann clones all nodding in unison at a speech she / they are giving

made me poop a little


Now imagine a batch of Super-Republicans: An inhuman mix of Michelle Bachman, Calista Newt, Sarah Palin, and the holy geneseed of St. Reagan.

And the Red Thirst of Sanguinius.
 
2012-04-18 06:04:05 PM
How can this be? I was told that both sides are bad.
 
2012-04-18 06:04:05 PM
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2012-04-18 06:04:30 PM

DamnYankees: Antimatter: You don't seem to understand how representative democracy works. What this means is instead of having say, 3 liberals to 3 conservatives, you have 5 conservatives and 1 liberal. All those liberal voters in their minority liberal areas no have no one representing their views in office.

And yet, we somehow keep trading Congress back and forth between parties. People have been beating the gerrymandering drum for decades, but the predicted results simply don't happen in any meaningful way.


Nice deflection. The root is, the folks being gerrymandered out of representation are still losing representation. For us in Austin, we will no longer have any national or state voice in representative politics, come the next election. It will be 10 years before we get a shot at a voice again.

Millions more around the country are in the same boat. The tea party folks who were swept into power in 2010 are working to disenfranchise every liberal representative they can. they do this by making it impossible for them to get elected, even if they currently hold office.
 
2012-04-18 06:06:22 PM

ghare: Hydra: derpderp I FAILED ECONOMICS derpderp I FAILED CIVICS derpderp I FAILED SCIENCE derp derpherpaderp

Yes, we know, sweetie.


Hard with all those heads.
 
2012-04-18 06:08:26 PM

CygnusDarius: Magic_Button: Thanks Submitty

I had a vision of a not so distant future when the GOP embrace cloning ( prolly after some clone car vagina family can't spit out any more kids and still want more for Jebus ) and half the house and senate is wild eye , crazy grin Bachmann clones all nodding in unison at a speech she / they are giving

made me poop a little

Now imagine a batch of Super-Republicans: An inhuman mix of Michelle Bachman, Calista Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, and the holy geneseed of St. Reagan.

And the Red Thirst of Sanguinius.


FTFM.
 
2012-04-18 06:31:26 PM

Hydra: Typical partisan circlejerk....

The Dems dig their heels in as much as Repubs on everything to placate their respective constituencies. NEITHER will compromise with the other because they don't want to appear weak.

You're all just buying into the left side of things. Quit being a bunch of tools.

/vote third party
//vote for Kang


That's bull. The democrats have repeatedly compromised on all sorts of positions, and if you paid any attention you'd know it. How many of the problems ( the actual ones, not the ones made up by the right) were caused by democratic compromises?
 
2012-04-18 06:37:56 PM

Hydra: So we raised the debt ceiling. Meaning more debt was borrowed by the Fed (since our legit creditors are already fearing for the value of our currency). Meaning more money was printed up.

When the world dumps the dollar and the Fed becomes the SOLE buyer of debt because no one else will finance it, the real world will come knocking VERY loudly right on your door - something your cute cartoon completely misses.


Which has what to do with the fact that the Tea Party Republicans were willing to sabotage the credit of the United States to make a political point out of spite?

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Also, there is no realistic alternative to the dollar as a global reserve currency and there won't be for decades.
 
2012-04-18 06:39:07 PM
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2012-04-18 06:42:53 PM

whidbey: I don't want the Dems and the Repubs to "work together."

We need to dismantle the Republican party and have a single-party system for a few years until someone comes up with a bright idea for something to replace the Republicans with. Hopefully something more progressive than both.

Yeah, it's gotten that bad.


I'm all for dismantling the Republican party, but there are too many meglomaniac\sociopath combinations in said party to have a one-party system. Multi-party is safer. Fragmentation will be inefficient, which will suck a bit, but on the other hand, meglomaniacs can't turn us into a farking X-Man comic again.
 
2012-04-18 06:47:03 PM

WhoIsWillo: DamnYankees: I look forward to hearing the inevitable decry that the Dems operate the same way.

No. All the Democrats are afraid of losing to someone like Michele Bachmann.


hee hee - smart AND funny
 
2012-04-18 07:01:39 PM
Because we can't get shiat done working together, that's why.
 
2012-04-18 07:22:25 PM

Geotpf: justinguarini4ever: Obama truly is an anomoly when it comes to the Democratic Party because he might be the only who didn't bother to "wait his turn."

You are completely wrong. In fact, the exact opposite is true.

The Republicans are the ones who pick the guy who's "turn" it is. Reagan finished second to Ford in 1976 and won the nom in 1980; Bush Sr. finished second to Reagan in 1980 and won the nom in 1988; McCain finished second to Bush Jr. in 2000 and won the nom in 2008; Romney finished second to McCain in 2008 and won the nom in 2012.

The Democrats are wild and crazy compared to this-especially when their nom wins the election. Obama came out of nowhere. Clinton came out of nowhere. Carter came out of nowhere.


The presidential race is just one race. I live in Illinois, and so it might be worse here than most states (who am I kidding), but you don't just run for office in the Dem primaries here. A colleague of mine (he was going to run against Lipinski. I'm sure you can find his named) had his house intentionally drawn out of the district because he was viewed as a threat to the establishment. Lipinski is a corrupt joke, but Madigan protected him.
 
2012-04-18 07:22:47 PM

Elandriel: WhoIsWillo: DamnYankees: I look forward to hearing the inevitable decry that the Dems operate the same way.

No. All the Democrats are afraid of losing to someone like Michele Bachmann.

They've already managed at least 4 times. They're remarkably good at it.

(I don't understand it honestly. It must be the soccer/helicopter mom effect. I live just south of her district and generally speaking people in Anoka/etc are pretty sane so I don't know why they keep re-electing this piece of shiat.)


It must be the Palineque "If I elect her, she will let me come (in her)" syndrome.
 
2012-04-18 07:39:37 PM
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PLEASE GIVE A WARM WELCOME TO MICHELE AND MARCUS BACHMANN
 
2012-04-18 07:50:04 PM

whidbey: The fact is that the Republican party is not only a failure, it is a threat to this country's peace and security.

They should be dissolved. And the money left over should go to Social Security/Medicare.


Why don't you just log off and go focus on staying inside the lines with a coloring book?
 
2012-04-18 07:52:41 PM

justinguarini4ever: Geotpf: justinguarini4ever: Obama truly is an anomoly when it comes to the Democratic Party because he might be the only who didn't bother to "wait his turn."

You are completely wrong. In fact, the exact opposite is true.

The Republicans are the ones who pick the guy who's "turn" it is. Reagan finished second to Ford in 1976 and won the nom in 1980; Bush Sr. finished second to Reagan in 1980 and won the nom in 1988; McCain finished second to Bush Jr. in 2000 and won the nom in 2008; Romney finished second to McCain in 2008 and won the nom in 2012.

The Democrats are wild and crazy compared to this-especially when their nom wins the election. Obama came out of nowhere. Clinton came out of nowhere. Carter came out of nowhere.

The presidential race is just one race. I live in Illinois, and so it might be worse here than most states (who am I kidding), but you don't just run for office in the Dem primaries here. A colleague of mine (he was going to run against Lipinski. I'm sure you can find his named) had his house intentionally drawn out of the district because he was viewed as a threat to the establishment. Lipinski is a corrupt joke, but Madigan protected him.


Except that you were talking about presidents in the first place. You claimed that Obama represented an anomaly when, in fact, that's usually how the Democratic presidential nomination goes. And yeah, the Illinois state government is notoriously corrupt.
 
2012-04-18 07:54:56 PM

Darklemming: whidbey: The fact is that the Republican party is not only a failure, it is a threat to this country's peace and security.

They should be dissolved. And the money left over should go to Social Security/Medicare.

Why don't you just log off and go focus on staying inside the lines with a coloring book?


nothing wrong with what Whidbey suggested.
 
2012-04-18 08:00:28 PM

Hydra: The Dems dig their heels in as much as Repubs on everything to placate their respective constituencies. NEITHER will compromise with the other because they don't want to appear weak.


So Democrats never compromised on the wars or the Bush tax cuts or the current austerity wave or on health care or on the bailouts? You know, if the Democrats had refused to compromise on the GOP's more idiotic ideas, maybe we wouldn't be in our current mess.
 
2012-04-18 08:01:44 PM

Saiga410: Do you know who else wanted a single party state?


I'm the most liberal liberal ever, and I don't want a single party state. But even a single party state would be better than what we have with the current Republican Party. The minority party's job (yes, it's a job) is to temper the excesses of the party in power, bring alternative ideas to the table, and work with the party in power to craft sensible legislation that represents the best of both ideologies. It's not to simply throw a monkey wrench into the gears and laugh while everything goes to hell.

Now, I'm not saying the Democrats are perfect because we're not. But we (generally) have the correct intention: to do what we think is right for America, and we're doing our job as best as we can. Your GOP is simply out to break any toy they can't own 100%. That's what you're defending.
 
2012-04-18 08:02:03 PM
I used to watch the Rush (the swine, not the band) show when it was on TV. I was at a time when politics didn't interest me very much. At first I thought he was just some right wing totalitarian nut (He Still is). Then I found out he was pretty much the public face of the republican party. This scared me so bad I have given up on voting mostly independent lefties and vote for those incompetent dolt democrats. I really hate the republicans for that, but they are a collection of holy roller authoritarians, ultra-rich greedheads, far right totalitarians who think killing people they don't like is the cure-all for everything and gullible fox news viewers who are frightened of made up crap. Michelle Crazy Eyes and the loons who keep reelecting her are the end result of our national lurch to the far right.

These people need to stomped into the mud for the sake of the country.
 
2012-04-18 08:05:34 PM

whidbey: The fact is that the Republican party is not only a failure, it is a threat to this country's peace and security.

They should be dissolved. And the money left over should go to Social Security/Medicare.


That won't work, unless you want to also prevent anyone who voted Republican from voting. Because if the Republican party is dissolved, the same crazies, theocrats, fascists and greedy farks will just move to elect other crazies. Perhaps even crazier ones, in 'revenge'..

The GOP needs to die on its own. Democrats and liberals should just try to slow the damage, and actual liberals should work on strengthening a separate liberal party, so it can fill the power vacuum when the GOP collapses.
 
2012-04-18 08:27:33 PM
I think its very telling as far as how bad things have gotten that the progressive rhetoric has gone from 'defeat the Republicans' to 'destroy the Republicans'. I also think the Republicans have no one to blame but themselves, and should cease to exist as a viable party.
 
2012-04-18 08:40:05 PM

Zeno-25: Back in the real world:


No in the real world it works like this...

Republicans: Here's a plan...
Democrats: No! Here's a plan...
Republicans: No! Here's another plan
Democrats: No! Here's another plan...
Republicans: No! Here's another plan...
Democrats: Why you holding America hostage!? Why do you refuse to do what we wan.. er I mean, you're holding America hostage!

If the debt ceiling issue was such a huge problem then why didn't the Democrats accept multiple deals offered to avert the problem? They could have ended it any time by doing what the Republicans wanted. This is true in reverse of the Republicans of course, but they weren't the ones shrieking that it was a huge problem and that the Democrats wouldn't do anything about it.
 
2012-04-18 08:41:45 PM

Tax Boy: [i.qkme.me image 625x351]


What is that from?
 
2012-04-18 08:43:45 PM

Wayne 985: Tax Boy: [i.qkme.me image 625x351]

What is that from?


The latest episode of Game of Thrones.
 
2012-04-18 08:45:39 PM

Mentat: Hydra: The Dems dig their heels in as much as Repubs on everything to placate their respective constituencies. NEITHER will compromise with the other because they don't want to appear weak.

So Democrats never compromised on the wars or the Bush tax cuts or the current austerity wave or on health care or on the bailouts? You know, if the Democrats had refused to compromise on the GOP's more idiotic ideas, maybe we wouldn't be in our current mess.


Nah, I think it would have just happened sooner.

Of course, it comes out to the same thing, I guess.
 
2012-04-18 08:46:53 PM

randomjsa: Zeno-25: Back in the real world:

No in the real world it works like this...

Republicans: Here's a plan...
Democrats: No! Here's a plan...
Republicans: No! Here's another plan
Democrats: No! Here's another plan...
Republicans: No! Here's another plan...
Democrats: Why you holding America hostage!? Why do you refuse to do what we wan.. er I mean, you're holding America hostage!

If the debt ceiling issue was such a huge problem then why didn't the Democrats accept multiple deals offered to avert the problem? They could have ended it any time by doing what the Republicans wanted. This is true in reverse of the Republicans of course, but they weren't the ones shrieking that it was a huge problem and that the Democrats wouldn't do anything about it.


As I read this, I thought I was having a stroke.
 
2012-04-18 08:49:07 PM
They do work together. For the elite. Against the common man. They work together very well. Can anyone name the last time a law was passed that benefited the common man at the expense of the elite? As a matter of fact name the last time a law was passed that increased opportunity or freedom for the common man. They work extraordinarily well together against us.
 
2012-04-18 08:56:49 PM

bigsteve3OOO: Can anyone name the last time a law was passed that benefited the common man at the expense of the elite?


I'd say Obamacare qualifies.
 
2012-04-18 09:03:01 PM

bigsteve3OOO: They do work together. For the elite. Against the common man. They work together very well. Can anyone name the last time a law was passed that benefited the common man at the expense of the elite? As a matter of fact name the last time a law was passed that increased opportunity or freedom for the common man. They work extraordinarily well together against us.


So I am guessing we should vote a certain way?
 
2012-04-18 09:04:13 PM

The Why Not Guy: bigsteve3OOO: Can anyone name the last time a law was passed that benefited the common man at the expense of the elite?

I'd say Obamacare qualifies.


So far it has only befitted the insurance companies. It is also a way for all companies to stop paying out health care to the workers. Your taxes will go up to pay for the health care but your employer who now does not pay your health care as part of your benefits package will not pay you more money. Obama-care passes the burden of heath care from the elite to the common man. Therefore you are wrong.
 
2012-04-18 09:05:51 PM

Sabyen91: bigsteve3OOO: They do work together. For the elite. Against the common man. They work together very well. Can anyone name the last time a law was passed that benefited the common man at the expense of the elite? As a matter of fact name the last time a law was passed that increased opportunity or freedom for the common man. They work extraordinarily well together against us.

So I am guessing we should vote a certain way?


No votes don't matter anymore. Your choices are the same or the same.
 
2012-04-18 09:10:20 PM

randomjsa: Zeno-25: Back in the real world:

No in the real world it works like this...

Republicans: Here's a plan...
Democrats: No! Here's a plan...
Republicans: No! Here's another plan
Democrats: No! Here's another plan...
Republicans: No! Here's another plan...
Democrats: Why you holding America hostage!? Why do you refuse to do what we wan.. er I mean, you're holding America hostage!

If the debt ceiling issue was such a huge problem then why didn't the Democrats accept multiple deals offered to avert the problem? They could have ended it any time by doing what the Republicans wanted. This is true in reverse of the Republicans of course, but they weren't the ones shrieking that it was a huge problem and that the Democrats wouldn't do anything about it.


Libbynomore fails to understand that all of the Republican plans are either not plans or are ridiculous.
 
2012-04-18 09:15:18 PM

LordJiro: The GOP needs to die on its own. Democrats and liberals should just try to slow the damage, and actual liberals should work on strengthening a separate liberal party, so it can fill the power vacuum when the GOP collapses.


The problem with this is, any separate truly liberal party would siphon off votes from the Democrats, artificially propping up the dying Republican brand and prolonging its miserable death throes for everyone.

I've long since felt that a liberal branch of the Democratic party would love nothing more than to split off from the Blue Dogs. But 2000 taught us all a lesson.
 
2012-04-18 09:17:35 PM

bigsteve3OOO: Sabyen91: bigsteve3OOO: They do work together. For the elite. Against the common man. They work together very well. Can anyone name the last time a law was passed that benefited the common man at the expense of the elite? As a matter of fact name the last time a law was passed that increased opportunity or freedom for the common man. They work extraordinarily well together against us.

So I am guessing we should vote a certain way?

No votes don't matter anymore. Your choices are the same or the same.


Such an interesting and unique concept. Both sides are bad! Do you have a newsletter of some sort containing more rare thought of ideas?
 
2012-04-18 09:17:37 PM

gimmegimme: randomjsa: Zeno-25: Back in the real world:

No in the real world it works like this...

Republicans: Here's a plan...
Democrats: No! Here's a plan...
Republicans: No! Here's another plan
Democrats: No! Here's another plan...
Republicans: No! Here's another plan...
Democrats: Why you holding America hostage!? Why do you refuse to do what we wan.. er I mean, you're holding America hostage!

If the debt ceiling issue was such a huge problem then why didn't the Democrats accept multiple deals offered to avert the problem? They could have ended it any time by doing what the Republicans wanted. This is true in reverse of the Republicans of course, but they weren't the ones shrieking that it was a huge problem and that the Democrats wouldn't do anything about it.

Libbynomore fails to understand that all of the Republican plans are either not plans or are ridiculous.


Actually the convo is more like this:

Team A: No pipeline.
Team B: Must have pipeline.
Americans: WHY CANT THE REFINERY BE BUILT NEAR CANDIDA? NORTH DAKOTA PERHAPS? PIPELINE COULD BE 1/2 A MILE!!!!
Team A and Team B: Fark you common people our bosses want imminent domain to put it clear across the country and that is what will happen and Fark your stupid drinking water too a holes.
 
2012-04-18 09:19:49 PM

NateGrey: bigsteve3OOO: Sabyen91: bigsteve3OOO: They do work together. For the elite. Against the common man. They work together very well. Can anyone name the last time a law was passed that benefited the common man at the expense of the elite? As a matter of fact name the last time a law was passed that increased opportunity or freedom for the common man. They work extraordinarily well together against us.

So I am guessing we should vote a certain way?

No votes don't matter anymore. Your choices are the same or the same.

Such an interesting and unique concept. Both sides are bad! Do you have a newsletter of some sort containing more rare thought of ideas?


Keep pretending there is a deference. Tell me one difference between Obama's policies and Bushes. You cant because there is not one.
 
2012-04-18 09:23:23 PM

bigsteve3OOO: NateGrey: bigsteve3OOO: Sabyen91: bigsteve3OOO: They do work together. For the elite. Against the common man. They work together very well. Can anyone name the last time a law was passed that benefited the common man at the expense of the elite? As a matter of fact name the last time a law was passed that increased opportunity or freedom for the common man. They work extraordinarily well together against us.

So I am guessing we should vote a certain way?

No votes don't matter anymore. Your choices are the same or the same.

Such an interesting and unique concept. Both sides are bad! Do you have a newsletter of some sort containing more rare thought of ideas?

Keep pretending there is a deference. Tell me one difference between Obama's policies and Bushes. You cant because there is not one.


Did you really spell difference incorrectly and then correctly in the span of five words?

/non-sequitur
 
2012-04-18 09:25:28 PM

Johnny Lemonhead: bigsteve3OOO: NateGrey: bigsteve3OOO: Sabyen91: bigsteve3OOO: They do work together. For the elite. Against the common man. They work together very well. Can anyone name the last time a law was passed that benefited the common man at the expense of the elite? As a matter of fact name the last time a law was passed that increased opportunity or freedom for the common man. They work extraordinarily well together against us.

So I am guessing we should vote a certain way?

No votes don't matter anymore. Your choices are the same or the same.

Such an interesting and unique concept. Both sides are bad! Do you have a newsletter of some sort containing more rare thought of ideas?

Keep pretending there is a deference. Tell me one difference between Obama's policies and Bushes. You cant because there is not one.

Did you really spell difference incorrectly and then correctly in the span of five words?

/non-sequitur


Yeah I saw that after I posted. I am a terrible speller an rely heavily on spell check. My point is however valid.
 
2012-04-18 09:27:28 PM

bigsteve3OOO: My point is however valid.


Ok, then explain to me why Republicans - who gladly voted President Bush into office for 2 terms - are so eager to get rid of President Obama if they're ideologically identical?
 
2012-04-18 09:27:36 PM

Sabyen91: bigsteve3OOO: They do work together. For the elite. Against the common man. They work together very well. Can anyone name the last time a law was passed that benefited the common man at the expense of the elite? As a matter of fact name the last time a law was passed that increased opportunity or freedom for the common man. They work extraordinarily well together against us.

So I am guessing we should vote a certain way?


Witch-King of Angmar.
 
2012-04-18 09:28:14 PM
They can run as Democrats.
 
2012-04-18 09:33:49 PM

The Why Not Guy: bigsteve3OOO: My point is however valid.

Ok, then explain to me why Republicans - who gladly voted President Bush into office for 2 terms - are so eager to get rid of President Obama if they're ideologically identical?


They win favor from the same bosses. It helps them personally to win but the goals don't change. You lose. They win.
 
2012-04-18 09:35:13 PM

bigsteve3OOO: Sabyen91: bigsteve3OOO: They do work together. For the elite. Against the common man. They work together very well. Can anyone name the last time a law was passed that benefited the common man at the expense of the elite? As a matter of fact name the last time a law was passed that increased opportunity or freedom for the common man. They work extraordinarily well together against us.

So I am guessing we should vote a certain way?

No votes don't matter anymore. Your choices are the same or the same.


disney.spiderpaws.com
 
2012-04-18 09:39:22 PM

Gyrfalcon: Sabyen91: bigsteve3OOO: They do work together. For the elite. Against the common man. They work together very well. Can anyone name the last time a law was passed that benefited the common man at the expense of the elite? As a matter of fact name the last time a law was passed that increased opportunity or freedom for the common man. They work extraordinarily well together against us.

So I am guessing we should vote a certain way?

Witch-King of Angmar.


Well, it is him or Sauron.

/Woe! Woe!
 
2012-04-18 09:40:03 PM

bigsteve3OOO: The Why Not Guy: bigsteve3OOO: My point is however valid.

Ok, then explain to me why Republicans - who gladly voted President Bush into office for 2 terms - are so eager to get rid of President Obama if they're ideologically identical?

They win favor from the same bosses. It helps them personally to win but the goals don't change. You lose. They win.


Why are you even in the Politics Tab? Is it for emo cred?
 
2012-04-18 09:44:57 PM

randomjsa: They could have ended it any time by doing what the Republicans wanted.


No.

That was the response. For once, it was No. The Republican party has No down to a f'ing science, and the one time a year the Democratic party grows a small pair and pulls off a successful No, you wet your drawers.

Stone up and get over it. You decided the game was Dueling with Pistols, and in picking that you take the chance of a minee ball heading in *your* direction.

\god, what an utterly pointless exercise.
\\I'm actually reduced to trying to reason with the president of Tards 'R Us
\\\"I liked it so much, I bought the company"
 
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