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(Slate)   Megachurch pastor Robert Jeffress throws his support firmly behind Mitt Romney. Difficulty: he publicly called the Mormon faith a cult five months ago and said Romney wasn't a Christian   (slatest.slate.com) divider line 139
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2012-04-18 06:06:35 PM

MisterBill: miss jinxed: Cyberluddite: It's all very simple--people like this choose who to endorse based on a very simple scoring system:

White: +20
Black: -100
Brown: -20
Christian (non-Catholic variety): +20
Christian (Catholic variety): +5
Mormon: -10
Muslim: -50
Atheist: -100
Straight: 0 (no points because it's just normal and the way everyone is supposed to be)
"Homosexual lifestyle choice": -100

Mittens scores a total +10 points, Fartbongo scores either -80 or -150, depending on whether they believe he's a Christian or a Muslim. Easy decision, really.

no Jewish? I'd say that would fall at about -5?

I think that would depend on the type of Jew you were. If you're an Israel-first, let's kick the Palestinians into the sea, you'd probably get 0 points. If you're an American who just happens to be a Jew and formulate policy without concern as to how it would affect Israel, you'd get -5 points.


I think I'd adjust it a little. I think the Lieberman-style Zionist would get +5 points or so rather than 0 points, because they seem that type as useful tools in helping to convince Jeebus to come back and bring about the Rapture. Jews other than rabid Zionist neocons are basically scored as the equivalent of Mormons.
 
2012-04-18 06:08:44 PM

apoptotic: Mea Culpa, I did overlook the usernames and that was why I snipped your post as being irrelevant to the original argument, the weakness of which was all I intended to address


No worries I was a bit snappish as well.

There was a part that was relevant though. Even if they both say son of God (although the Mormon stance that he was "mortal" as well because of Mary doesn't really jive with any other christian sect I am aware of) the bigger problem is how God is viewed to begin with, because if they aren't the same then Jesus being his son is immaterial.

Satanic_Hamster: liam76: I am an athiest, so I have no dog in this fight, but if you aren't concerned what people believe in a conversation about faith you shouldn't enter conversation.

Bullshiat. You're the 2nd biggest Israel cock sucker on Fark


Never mind the mindbogglingly stupid stance that an atheist can't support Israel, there is also the fact that I think they should get out of he West Bank, think there immigration stance on what is a Jew is BS, actually I can't go on, I can't get past your mindbogglingly stupid stance, unless you can admit that is BS there is no point going on.
 
2012-04-18 06:14:02 PM

Saiga410: Cythraul: When does this megachurch get taxed?

When he endorses from the pulpet. Or do y'all think that people of the cloth should not have any freedom to voice thier opinion in politics whatsoever.


Jeffress of the First Baptist Church of Dallas told the Associated Press Wednesday that he'd support Romney in November, and so should conservative evangelical Christians, "in spite of his Mormon faith."

Sounds like an ecumenical statement to me. Or do you mean he has to literally be standing at the pulpit when he says it for it to be an endorsement of a political candidate.
 
2012-04-18 06:28:42 PM

bigbaddoc: *sigh* I'm feeding the trolls, but here goes...

The central tenet of Christianity, irrespective of denomination, is that Jesus was the son of God in the flesh and incarnate. If you don't believe that, you can't by definition be a Christian.

Mormons believe that Jesus was a "saint", a prophet, and a great man... but not the son of God in the flesh, and therefore they cannot be Christians, despite their insistance.


The very first of the Thirteen Articles of Faith of the Mormon Church Link reads "We believe in God the Eternal Father, and in his Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost."
 
2012-04-18 06:32:13 PM

Cyberluddite: MisterBill: miss jinxed: Cyberluddite: It's all very simple--people like this choose who to endorse based on a very simple scoring system:

White: +20
Black: -100
Brown: -20
Christian (non-Catholic variety): +20
Christian (Catholic variety): +5
Mormon: -10
Muslim: -50
Atheist: -100
Straight: 0 (no points because it's just normal and the way everyone is supposed to be)
"Homosexual lifestyle choice": -100

Mittens scores a total +10 points, Fartbongo scores either -80 or -150, depending on whether they believe he's a Christian or a Muslim. Easy decision, really.

no Jewish? I'd say that would fall at about -5?

I think that would depend on the type of Jew you were. If you're an Israel-first, let's kick the Palestinians into the sea, you'd probably get 0 points. If you're an American who just happens to be a Jew and formulate policy without concern as to how it would affect Israel, you'd get -5 points.

I think I'd adjust it a little. I think the Lieberman-style Zionist would get +5 points or so rather than 0 points, because they seem that type as useful tools in helping to convince Jeebus to come back and bring about the Rapture. Jews other than rabid Zionist neocons are basically scored as the equivalent of Mormons.


I think that's fair. What kind of points do you get for being a non-western religion, like Hindu or Buddhist ?
 
2012-04-18 06:57:58 PM
"Anyone but the black guy!"
 
2012-04-18 07:00:23 PM

MisterBill: I think that's fair. What kind of points do you get for being a non-western religion, like Hindu or Buddhist ?


Those don't exist. They're considered devil worship to fundies.
 
2012-04-18 07:02:55 PM

Calmamity: Vodka Zombie: We get it! Jesus was white.

The only thing white about Jesus are the paintings of him by white guys.


He liked Gospel, called everyone brother, and couldn't get a fair trial. Draw your own conclusions.
 
2012-04-18 07:38:02 PM
I remember the original interview. It went like this essentially...

Jeffress: "Romney isn't a Christian, but he seems like an ok guy."

Jeffress: "Obama says he is a Christian (and there is overwhelming evidence to prove it), but I don't know if he's an ok guy."

Tax this asshole into the dark ages.
 
2012-04-18 07:38:36 PM
Uhhh, i disagree with calling a religion a cult as a disparaging term, that's just mean and disrespectful. Of course, virtually all religions resemble the colloquial definition of cult. The distinguishing characteristics seem to be time and number of adherents. Perhaps as small cults evolve they naturally shed weirdness until they can be more commonly accepted.

Will there be a Morman reformation eventually? Or one for the bulk of Islam? Scientology? If it reduces the amount of social engineering they attempt to foist on the rest of us, or if they yield for safety in the pursuit of happiness of others and among their own, that would be a wonderful thing.
 
2012-04-18 07:43:19 PM

brukmann: Uhhh, i disagree with calling a religion a cult as a disparaging term, that's just mean and disrespectful. Of course, virtually all religions resemble the colloquial definition of cult. The distinguishing characteristics seem to be time and number of adherents. Perhaps as small cults evolve they naturally shed weirdness until they can be more commonly accepted.

Will there be a Morman reformation eventually? Or one for the bulk of Islam? Scientology? If it reduces the amount of social engineering they attempt to foist on the rest of us, or if they yield for safety in the pursuit of happiness of others and among their own, that would be a wonderful thing.


Actual question: would you folks contend that the Mormon policy of continued revelation is a kind of reformation? Maybe a particularly beneficial one? Whenever they have a position that is legally or culturally problematic, they just say they got a fax from Heavenly Father and BOOM---black people are (almost) people now. BOOM---sorry about that, polygamy is actually a bad thing.
 
2012-04-18 07:48:15 PM

gilgigamesh: Endrick: We support Mitt Romney. We have always supported Mitt Romney.

I personally can't wait for Free Republic to hit the Final Stage.

The funny part will be that their fervent Acceptance stage will occur simultaneously as they come full circle back to Denial that the other four stages ever happened.


I have been nurturing a Freeper account for 6 long years, occasionally disagreeing with posters, sometimes agreeing but never saying anything too outlandish or offensive, and I'm a regular on some of the non-crazy sub-categories (there are a few, though even they start out ok then go south) - I'll chime in just often enough to let them know I'm real and they won't be able to call me a new alt. It is painful, but I suffer for my art - I suffer for all of you. I can't wait to watch the shiat go down and egg them on even further.
 
2012-04-18 07:51:20 PM

gimmegimme: Actual question: would you folks contend that the Mormon policy of continued revelation is a kind of reformation? Maybe a particularly beneficial one? Whenever they have a position that is legally or culturally problematic, they just say they got a fax from Heavenly Father and BOOM---black people are (almost) people now. BOOM---sorry about that, polygamy is actually a bad thing.


That could very well be. Unfortunately, they are both very powerful and very actively hostile towards other groups... That places them pretty far down the scale towards a true cult imho. It's a great mechanism for change though, much like the Pope. I'd like to see it exercised to bring them into this century, where GLBT people are accepted.
 
2012-04-18 07:53:10 PM

bigbaddoc: *sigh* I'm feeding the trolls, but here goes...

The central tenet of Christianity, irrespective of denomination, is that Jesus was the son of God in the flesh and incarnate. If you don't believe that, you can't by definition be a Christian.

Mormons believe that Jesus was a "saint", a prophet, and a great man... but not the son of God in the flesh, and therefore they cannot be Christians, despite their insistance.


Yes, but you forgot to answer the real important question, do Mormons believe Jesus can attain Super Saiyin 3 or not?
/this is what these comments sound like to me
 
2012-04-18 07:54:29 PM

brukmann: gimmegimme: Actual question: would you folks contend that the Mormon policy of continued revelation is a kind of reformation? Maybe a particularly beneficial one? Whenever they have a position that is legally or culturally problematic, they just say they got a fax from Heavenly Father and BOOM---black people are (almost) people now. BOOM---sorry about that, polygamy is actually a bad thing.

That could very well be. Unfortunately, they are both very powerful and very actively hostile towards other groups... That places them pretty far down the scale towards a true cult imho. It's a great mechanism for change though, much like the Pope. I'd like to see it exercised to bring them into this century, where GLBT people are accepted.


Oh, don't get me wrong. I agree that Mormons are dangerous. They're just very shrewd businesspeople when it comes to expanding their franchises. True, they are evil and un-Christlike to gay people, but they are careful not to take positions that are unacceptable in the context of the political debate. It's okay to be anti-gay in 2012. (Sadly, it became slightly more okay to be anti-black in 2012.)
 
2012-04-18 07:59:43 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: bigbaddoc: *sigh* I'm feeding the trolls, but here goes...

The central tenet of Christianity, irrespective of denomination, is that Jesus was the son of God in the flesh and incarnate. If you don't believe that, you can't by definition be a Christian.

Mormons believe that Jesus was a "saint", a prophet, and a great man... but not the son of God in the flesh, and therefore they cannot be Christians, despite their insistance.

Yes, but you forgot to answer the real important question, do Mormons believe Jesus can attain Super Saiyin 3 or not?
/this is what these comments sound like to me


Religion makes complete sense, man. Think about it: in order to become Clear, you must purge the engrams from your head through the use of auditing. Along the way, you are a Pre-Clear and must build your skills until you become a Clear. From there, you take the Operating Thetan levels, where you start to learn the secrets of the universe. OT III is the Wall of Fire, where you learn that the only thing keeping humans from being supermen is the infestation of thetans (ancient souls) inside you. Once those are excised, you are telekinetic, you can heal people with your hands and so on.

Wait...I think that's Everquest.
 
2012-04-18 08:27:59 PM

brukmann: Uhhh, i disagree with calling a religion a cult as a disparaging term, that's just mean and disrespectful. Of course, virtually all religions resemble the colloquial definition of cult. The distinguishing characteristics seem to be time and number of adherents. Perhaps as small cults evolve they naturally shed weirdness until they can be more commonly accepted.

Will there be a Morman reformation eventually? Or one for the bulk of Islam? Scientology? If it reduces the amount of social engineering they attempt to foist on the rest of us, or if they yield for safety in the pursuit of happiness of others and among their own, that would be a wonderful thing.


A Reformation is exactly what is happening with Islam right now. Like the Protestant Reformation, it is extremely violent, full of fanaticism and will take a couple of decades to work itself out.
 
2012-04-18 08:42:38 PM

pciszek: Calmamity: Vodka Zombie: We get it! Jesus was white.

The only thing white about Jesus are the paintings of him by white guys.

He liked Gospel, called everyone brother, and couldn't get a fair trial. Draw your own conclusions.


You're going straight to Hell, my brother.
 
2012-04-18 09:33:18 PM
Romney isn't a Christian.

1) Mormonism holds that belief in Jesus Christ is unnecessary for personal salvation.

2) Mormonism holds that there is more than one god; this in direct contravention of the Nicene Creed.

and if Mary's virginity matters to you,

3) Mormonism holds that Jesus was conceived through carnal sexual intercourse between God the Father and Mary.

Mormonism is no more "Christian" than Christianity is "Jewish." It's just a fact.

Now, the real bias here is the liberal media's refusal to give the Republican Party the credit it deserves. They flipped out when the country nominated its first black major party presidential candidate in 2008. But have you heard so much of a peep out of them now that the Republicans are poised to nominate America's first non-Christian major party presidential candidate? Surely the moment is equally historic. And yet, the MSM's reaction is quiet as a mouse. Can you imagine the media's breathless reaction if the Democrats had nominated a Buddhist or a Jew? We'd never hear the end of it!

As a progressive, I've nothing but praise for Mormonism's open minded soteriology. And even higher praise for the GOP's brave step down this path toward a more truly secular America, wherein Christianity will finally lose iron grasp on American politics, and a candidate's religious faith will be truly irrelevant in presidential elections. Bravo, Republicans, on this bold, historic move. Bravo!
 
2012-04-18 09:49:19 PM
Flip-floppery is contagious.
 
2012-04-18 10:06:26 PM
As a right-wing, conservative evangelical, I cannot vote for a Mormon. Has anyone actually looked at what they believe?

They didn't even let blacks into the temples until the late 1970's.

They teach that Native Americans are demon children and african americans are cursed by God.

WTF?
 
2012-04-18 10:15:28 PM
everyone hates hobama

why

because he suxor and is a frakking fraud

who votes for hobama

fools and dims

republicrats are honest,

they don't like you and will not help you,

they like their freedom and your incompetence

hobama has no voodoo, mojo or swagger

ya got played

that is all
 
2012-04-18 10:34:33 PM

dang sure: everyone hates hobama

why

because he suxor and is a frakking fraud

who votes for hobama

fools and dims

republicrats are honest,

they don't like you and will not help you,

they like their freedom and your incompetence

hobama has no voodoo, mojo or swagger

ya got played

that is all


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2012-04-18 11:19:27 PM

bugontherug: Romney isn't a Christian.

1) Mormonism holds that belief in Jesus Christ is unnecessary for personal salvation.


Mormon.org:: But what do we mean when we say He is the Savior of the world? The Redeemer? Each of these titles points to the truth that Jesus Christ is the only way by which we can return to live with our Heavenly Father. Jesus suffered and was crucified for the sins of the world, giving each of God's children the gift of repentance and forgiveness. Only by His mercy and grace can anyone be saved.

bugontherug: 2) Mormonism holds that there is more than one god;

[Citation needed]

this in direct contravention of the Nicene Creed.

So what?

and if Mary's virginity matters to you,

It doesn't

Mormonism is no more "Christian" than Christianity is "Jewish." It's just a fact.


Well, I'm so glad we have the final arbiter of what is and what isn't "Christian" here to set us all straight. Protip: adding "It's just a fact" to the tail end of your opinion doesn't change the fact that it's still only an opinion

Now, the real bias here is the liberal media's refusal to give the Republican Party the credit it deserves. They flipped out when the country nominated its first black major party presidential candidate in 2008. But have you heard so much of a peep out of them now that the Republicans are poised to nominate America's first non-Christian major party presidential candidate?

Most Americans don't think of Mormonism as "non-Christian" despite your stunning expose above. Sorry. But even more to the point, your contention that this would be the "first non-Christian" is nonsense. John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Millard Fillmore, and William Howard Taft were all Unitarians. And anyone who would call Thomas Jefferson a "Christian" is just plain deluded.

Surely the moment is equally historic.

Not really. Had they chosen a Mormon from a field of reasonably well qualified candidates, it might be, but this is really more a case of settling for the Mormon because all of the other candidates were so utterly damaged

And yet, the MSM's reaction is quiet as a mouse. Can you imagine the media's breathless reaction if the Democrats had nominated a Buddhist or a Jew? We'd never hear the end of it!

Well, that's because the American population at large are all in agreement that Buddhists and Jews are not Christian, while the folks who think that Mormons are non-Christian are generally the most zealous Christian Talibangelicals
 
2012-04-18 11:23:47 PM

bugontherug: Romney isn't a Christian.

Mormonism holds that belief in Jesus Christ is unnecessary for personal salvation.

Mormonism holds that Jesus was conceived through carnal sexual intercourse between God the Father and Mary.


According to the Thirteen Articles of Faith of the LDS Church, salvation is attained through the Atonement of Christ; without whom there is no salvation.
Each year, we are enthralled anew at the Christmas miracle, whereby the Virgin Mary gave birth to Jesus after being moved upon by the Holy Ghost. In twenty-five years as a member of the LDS faith, I have never heard any doctrine preached in chapels or temples, regarding Heavenly Father, Mary, and carnal sexual intercourse. I think that someone has been telling you tall tales! I'd like to refer you to www.lds.orgLink for more information on basic LDS beliefs.
 
2012-04-18 11:24:32 PM

FlashHarry: Cythraul: When does this megachurch get taxed?

no. farking. shiat.


They should all get taxed.
 
2012-04-19 12:37:20 AM

dang sure: hobama has no voodoo, mojo or swagger


And yet the majority of Americans prefered him over the best your party could offer. And unlike Dubya, he managed to win without the help of supreme court justices or paperless voting machines that counted more Republican votes than there were people in the precinct.
 
2012-04-19 01:21:36 AM

gilgigamesh: Endrick: We support Mitt Romney. We have always supported Mitt Romney.

I personally can't wait for Free Republic to hit the Final Stage.

The funny part will be that their fervent Acceptance stage will occur simultaneously as they come full circle back to Denial that the other four stages ever happened.


Been a while since I had an excuse for this:

i75.photobucket.com
 
2012-04-19 01:39:22 AM

dang sure: everyone hates hobama

why

because he suxor and is a frakking fraud

who votes for hobama

fools and dims

republicrats are honest,

they don't like you and will not help you,

they like their freedom and your incompetence

hobama has no voodoo, mojo or swagger

ya got played

that is all


Only Indubitably can do this, so don't even try.
 
2012-04-19 02:06:20 AM
And the "I was a Romney supporter the whole time" phase continues.

Never mind that fundie teatards threw their support behind Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, Rick Perry, Rick James, Herman Cain, Herman Munster, Michelle Bachmann, Richard Bachmann, Bachmann Turner Overdrive, Sarah Palin, Sarah Lee, Sarah Plain and Tall, Sarah McLaughlin, and an inanimate carbon rod before they finally bent over, grit their teeth, and accepted what the GOP leaders told them to.
 
2012-04-19 04:39:34 AM
So, the retards hate Obama because they think he is not a Christian, so they endorse the actual non-Christian (whom many will openly call a cult). I would love the day after the election if Obama just comes out and says "You know, actually I think ALL religions are kind of idiotic and childish, and I think you retards need to grow up and let go of these childish superstitions and beliefs".
 
2012-04-19 04:56:50 AM

Weaver95: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Weaver95: keylock71: Falling in line as predicted by just about anyone who knows anything about American Partisan politics...

And when he loses in November, they'll be back to screaming for a "real conservative" and how they didn't win because "Romney was too moderate!!!!".

oh if Romney loses they'll throw him under the bus before the election results are even cold.

I think the bus is already being warmed up

well, this is going to be a very shaky coalition. the evangelicals *really* don't like Romney or the mormons, but their political situation demands that they play nice with one another if they want a shot at taking on Obama. Despite the public facade though, you can be sure that they're all looking for an opportunity to back stab one another.

meanwhile, Obama doesn't have have a campaign team that's fractured by internal religious feuds and has been taking notes during this primary race to see what's worked and what hasn't.


I have heard that Obama's campaign manager's got his shiat together. If this is true, and what you're saying is true about the infighting..maybe this could be all that Obama needs to tip the scales.
 
2012-04-19 04:59:32 AM

Diogenes: Brandyelf: Etch-a-sketch, people, ETCH-A-SKETCH!

I wouldn't mind shaking some intolerant fundie until his mind became a blank.


How many shakes would it take to empty an intolerant fundie's mind?

/trick question
 
2012-04-19 05:05:21 AM

supageil: I was sitting in the IRS building yesterday, trying to deal with a problem. In the waiting room, they had Wolf Blitzer's program on the television.

I don't know if it was the already-overwhelming events of the day warping my head, but as I listened to Blitzer and his pundit friends discussing Mormonism vs. "real" Christianity, I was struck by the surrealism of it all.

Here we have one of the largest, and certainly still the most powerful collections of people/resources/weapons on the planet, gearing up for its regularly scheduled search for a leader. And a supposedly terribly important sticking point in that search for a leader, is what particular flavor of "guy in the sky telling me what to do" that would-be leader talks to in his private time. To the extent that it's publicly discussed by serious-looking men for a long time on a major news channel.

Unbelievable that we're still stuck at this point intellectually.


Because it's all okay, so long as that "guy in the sky telling me what to do" doesn't actually start talking back. Then we'd have a real problem.
 
2012-04-19 05:09:26 AM

Diogenes: Brandyelf: Etch-a-sketch, people, ETCH-A-SKETCH!

I wouldn't mind shaking some intolerant fundie until his mind became a blank.


Death of Personality?
 
2012-04-19 06:30:00 AM

Tergiversada: bugontherug: Romney isn't a Christian.

Mormonism holds that belief in Jesus Christ is unnecessary for personal salvation.

Mormonism holds that Jesus was conceived through carnal sexual intercourse between God the Father and Mary.

According to the Thirteen Articles of Faith of the LDS Church, salvation is attained through the Atonement of Christ; without whom there is no salvation.
Each year, we are enthralled anew at the Christmas miracle, whereby the Virgin Mary gave birth to Jesus after being moved upon by the Holy Ghost. In twenty-five years as a member of the LDS faith, I have never heard any doctrine preached in chapels or temples, regarding Heavenly Father, Mary, and carnal sexual intercourse. I think that someone has been telling you tall tales! I'd like to refer you to www.lds.orgLink for more information on basic LDS beliefs.


Would you consider me a mormon if in addition to the bible and Book of Mormon I believed in the Book of FSM (flying spaghetti monster). Which corrected some omissions in the previous two books. God is actually a flying plate of pasta, when you die you go to an all you can eat pasta buffet (could consider it heaven, but you don't get your own world, and you don't have the potential to become like god as mormons believe), etc you know small differences.
 
2012-04-19 10:23:20 AM
I, for one, am enjoying the hell out of watching these evangelical biblethumping retards get in line for Mitt.
 
2012-04-19 12:38:30 PM

thrgd456: As a right-wing, conservative evangelical, I cannot vote for a Mormon. Has anyone actually looked at what they believe?

They didn't even let blacks into the temples until the late 1970's.

They teach that Native Americans are demon children and african americans are cursed by God.

WTF?


Such a post from a right-wing, conservative evangelical reads like a kettle commenting on the pot's color. Your own organizations aren't much better, and are still pretty misogynistic.
 
2012-04-19 08:28:41 PM

liam76: Tergiversada: bugontherug: Romney isn't a Christian.

Mormonism holds that belief in Jesus Christ is unnecessary for personal salvation.

Mormonism holds that Jesus was conceived through carnal sexual intercourse between God the Father and Mary.

According to the Thirteen Articles of Faith of the LDS Church, salvation is attained through the Atonement of Christ; without whom there is no salvation.
Each year, we are enthralled anew at the Christmas miracle, whereby the Virgin Mary gave birth to Jesus after being moved upon by the Holy Ghost. In twenty-five years as a member of the LDS faith, I have never heard any doctrine preached in chapels or temples, regarding Heavenly Father, Mary, and carnal sexual intercourse. I think that someone has been telling you tall tales! I'd like to refer you to www.lds.orgLink for more information on basic LDS beliefs.

Would you consider me a mormon if in addition to the bible and Book of Mormon I believed in the Book of FSM (flying spaghetti monster). Which corrected some omissions in the previous two books. God is actually a flying plate of pasta, when you die you go to an all you can eat pasta buffet (could consider it heaven, but you don't get your own world, and you don't have the potential to become like god as mormons believe), etc you know small differences.


If there's white sauce on this buffet, I'm in! ;-)
 
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