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(Slate)   Megachurch pastor Robert Jeffress throws his support firmly behind Mitt Romney. Difficulty: he publicly called the Mormon faith a cult five months ago and said Romney wasn't a Christian   (slatest.slate.com) divider line 139
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Ehh
2012-04-18 02:35:33 PM  
Aarontology: So his hatred of President Obama is stronger than his faith.

To be fair, his love of power was also a factor. Blessed are the powerful, for they shall receive favors.
 
2012-04-18 02:35:45 PM  
Proof churches will support anyone with the R next to their name.
 
2012-04-18 02:36:08 PM  

Weaver95: Vodka Zombie: That's because Mitt Romney is more Jesus than the Muslim, Kenyan Fartbongo.

I wish I lived in a country where we didn't require a religious test in order to hold public office. Religions do nothing but divide and destroy communities and countries.

I just wish people would stop considering religion as a key value for a candidate.


Well if Romney, who is "not a Christian" can be president, then Obama, who is a Sekrit Muslin, should be just fine.

kxs401:
Don't forget the hilarious right-wing meme that Obama is gay.

I'm pretty sure they once said the same thing about Hilary too. And Eleanor Roosevelt. Just crazy talk.
 
2012-04-18 02:36:19 PM  

kxs401: Don't forget the hilarious right-wing meme that Obama is gay.


Oh, come one. Would a gay man have a wife and two children?

Would a gay man deny gay folks the right to marry simply because they're gay?

Would a gay man eat fancy mustard and arugula?

Would a gay man care so deeply about womens' issues so much that the first major piece of legislation he signed protected their right to equal pay for equal work?

Would a gay man be a better Republican than Republicans?
 
2012-04-18 02:39:35 PM  
Same thing with Reagan. Made his money in "liberal" Hollywood, president of SAG for Christ's sakes. Then he "had a revelation" and turned to the Republicans. And the rest is whitewashed history that he couldn't remember.
 
2012-04-18 02:40:39 PM  

Brandyelf: Etch-a-sketch, people, ETCH-A-SKETCH!


I wouldn't mind shaking some intolerant fundie until his mind became a blank.
 
2012-04-18 02:42:48 PM  
I'm sure Romney is far too proud to accept an endorsement from a man who called the faith that forms his deepest core beliefs a cult.

My prediction: Next week, he's Protestant.
 
2012-04-18 02:43:07 PM  
*sigh* I'm feeding the trolls, but here goes...

The central tenet of Christianity, irrespective of denomination, is that Jesus was the son of God in the flesh and incarnate. If you don't believe that, you can't by definition be a Christian.

Mormons believe that Jesus was a "saint", a prophet, and a great man... but not the son of God in the flesh, and therefore they cannot be Christians, despite their insistance.
 
2012-04-18 02:44:03 PM  

GoodyearPimp: Same thing with Reagan. Made his money in "liberal" Hollywood, president of SAG for Christ's sakes. Then he "had a revelation" and turned to the Republicans. And the rest is whitewashed history that he couldn't remember.


SAG is where he got his initial reputation for being hard on the commies. Quite clever actually. Claimed victory for keeping the commies out of Hollywood when it was actually a nonexistent problem.
 
2012-04-18 02:49:14 PM  
Mormonism isn't a cult (well at least not any moreso than any other major religion), but it sure isn't christianity.
 
2012-04-18 02:50:18 PM  

bigbaddoc: Mormons believe that Jesus was a "saint", a prophet, and a great man... but not the son of God in the flesh, and therefore they cannot be Christians, despite their insistance.


actually, they claim to be x-tians, which is pronounced "christians" but actually refers to their belief that spike lee's malcom-x movie "x" was awesome.
 
2012-04-18 02:52:45 PM  

bigbaddoc: *sigh* I'm feeding the trolls, but here goes...

The central tenet of Christianity, irrespective of denomination, is that Jesus was the son of God in the flesh and incarnate. If you don't believe that, you can't by definition be a Christian.

Mormons believe that Jesus was a "saint", a prophet, and a great man... but not the son of God in the flesh, and therefore they cannot be Christians, despite their insistance.


Are you sure about that? I only ask because I did a quick search and found that mormonbeliefs.org disagrees.

"Jesus Christ was born into this world as the son of Mary (inheriting from her His mortality) and as the Son of God (inheriting from Him the powers of immortality)."
 
2012-04-18 02:54:01 PM  
Nowhere do the Founders talk about a separation of MEGACHURCH and State.

They got ya on a technicality I'm afraid.

/IANAL.
 
2012-04-18 02:54:15 PM  
You all don't get it, the Republicans have gone so far around then bend, they come all the way around to the other side. You think they are divisive? How does a group who is divisive create a coalition of conservative Catholics, Evangelicals, Southerners, and Mormons?

Why, the last time such a strange group of bedfellows lay down together was when the Pharisees, Sadducees, Herodians, and Romans all banded together to kill some dogooder who was causing a fuss for the Empire and status quo. Can't really remember that chaps name...

/baptist pastor
//voting Obama
///also against NC Amendment
 
2012-04-18 02:54:36 PM  
Personally, I am only going to vote for a candidate if he/she depicts Jesus in a comfortable position.

www.metalinjection.net
 
2012-04-18 02:56:03 PM  

gilgigamesh: Endrick: We support Mitt Romney. We have always supported Mitt Romney.

I personally can't wait for Free Republic to hit the Final Stage.

The funny part will be that their fervent Acceptance stage will occur simultaneously as they come full circle back to Denial that the other four stages ever happened.



It's going to be even funnier when RimJob start banning people who don't support Mitt. He does that a lot during general election seasons.
 
2012-04-18 03:00:45 PM  
Smells like schism.
 
2012-04-18 03:02:58 PM  

Jackson Herring: exick: Vodka Zombie: We get it! Jesus was white.

/and he was a huge dick, apparently.

Why do you think Mary Magdalene liked him so much?

// HIYOOOOOOOOOO!

No kidding, guy was hung like this:

[www.creatingfutures.net image 250x320]


i293.photobucket.com

/Don't worry. I'm going too for laughing so hard.
 
2012-04-18 03:05:32 PM  
That just means he prefers a Mormon to a Muslim. Non story here.

i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-04-18 03:10:41 PM  
Well, to be fair Mitt Romney is not a Christian, and the Mormon church is a cult. Christianity is also a cult, they're both just very successful at getting people to buy into their lies, which it seems is the threshold for a cult being referred to as a religion.
 
2012-04-18 03:10:51 PM  

apoptotic: bigbaddoc: *sigh* I'm feeding the trolls, but here goes...

The central tenet of Christianity, irrespective of denomination, is that Jesus was the son of God in the flesh and incarnate. If you don't believe that, you can't by definition be a Christian.

Mormons believe that Jesus was a "saint", a prophet, and a great man... but not the son of God in the flesh, and therefore they cannot be Christians, despite their insistance.

Are you sure about that? I only ask because I did a quick search and found that mormonbeliefs.org disagrees.

"Jesus Christ was born into this world as the son of Mary (inheriting from her His mortality) and as the Son of God (inheriting from Him the powers of immortality)."


Read up on the afterlife in Mormonism. Or better yet their "cosmology". In Chritianity God is an omnipotent being who created everything, and if you are good in life you can join him in heaven when you die. In Mormonism spirits were independnet of God and he gave thema path to become like him, ie you are good in life and you get yoru own world to be "god".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism#Cosmology

For many Mormons, Joseph Smith's cosmology is the most attractive part of the restoration.[15] Mormon cosmology presents a unique view of God and the universe, and places a high importance on human agency. In Mormonism, life on earth is just a short part of an eternal existence. Mormons believe that in the beginning, all people existed as spirits or "intelligences," independent of God.[16] In this state, God came among the intelligences and offered a plan whereby they could progress and "have a privilege to advance like himself."[17] The spirits were free to accept or reject this plan, and a third of them, led by Lucifer (slated to become Satan) rejected it.[18] The rest accepted the plan, coming to earth and receiving bodies with an understanding that they would experience sin and suffering.

In Mormonism, the central part of God's plan is the atonement of Jesus Christ.[19] Mormons believe that one purpose of earthly life is to learn to choose good over evil-godly over worldly. In this process, people inevitably make mistakes, becoming unworthy to return to the presence of God. Mormons believe that Jesus paid for the sins of the world, and that all people can be saved through his atonement.[20] Mormons accept Christ's atonement through faith, repentance, formal covenants or ordinances such as baptism, and consistently trying to live a Christ-like life.

There is also the problem of scripture. Christians have the bible as their holy book. Mromons add another book that contradicts the bible. It is like saying christians are jews because the bible contains the old Testament.

Mormons get pissed off when you point them out, but if you ask them if they would consider you a mormon if you believed in the Bible, the Book of Mormon, and the Book of FSM which came along and fixed some problems with the previous books and contradicts parts of them.
 
2012-04-18 03:10:51 PM  
Once again the GOP pulls its classic, "Rook the rubes with God" play, and it works every time.
 
2012-04-18 03:16:01 PM  

Endrick: We support Mitt Romney. We have always supported Mitt Romney.


Santorum unperson. Substitute Romney. Romney blog details as follows: true Conservative, recently nominated, RNC. Today awarded most Christian order of conspicuous merit second class.
 
2012-04-18 03:22:28 PM  

Cythraul: When does this megachurch get taxed?


When he endorses from the pulpet. Or do y'all think that people of the cloth should not have any freedom to voice thier opinion in politics whatsoever.
 
2012-04-18 03:23:02 PM  

liam76: apoptotic: bigbaddoc: *sigh* I'm feeding the trolls, but here goes...

The central tenet of Christianity, irrespective of denomination, is that Jesus was the son of God in the flesh and incarnate. If you don't believe that, you can't by definition be a Christian.

Mormons believe that Jesus was a "saint", a prophet, and a great man... but not the son of God in the flesh, and therefore they cannot be Christians, despite their insistance.

Are you sure about that? I only ask because I did a quick search and found that mormonbeliefs.org disagrees.

"Jesus Christ was born into this world as the son of Mary (inheriting from her His mortality) and as the Son of God (inheriting from Him the powers of immortality)."

(redacted for irrelevance)


You missed my point, so let me try again.

You: Mormons aren't Christians because they "believe that Jesus...was not the son of God."
Mormon website: "Jesus Christ was born...as the son of God".

I'm not a Mormon or a Christian so I really don't care either way, I just found that particular argument to be a little weak.
 
2012-04-18 03:23:51 PM  
He was just interviewed on Martin Bashir's show. He's definitely in the "Well, if it's all we got I suppose we have to live with it" endorsers.

The endorsements are as warm as the particular candidate they're endorsing. How poetic.
 
2012-04-18 03:27:29 PM  

Saiga410: Cythraul: When does this megachurch get taxed?

When he endorses from the pulpet. Or do y'all think that people of the cloth should not have any freedom to voice thier opinion in politics whatsoever.


...
...
...

I'm thinking!
 
2012-04-18 03:27:49 PM  
Funny how Obama has only been married once... as far as we all know, he has been faithful to Michelle... and their two daughters have been a model of good behavior... and yet, many 'family values' church members were supporting Newt at one point.
 
2012-04-18 03:30:39 PM  

hugram: Funny how Obama has only been married once... as far as we all know, he has been faithful to Michelle... and their two daughters have been a model of good behavior... and yet, many 'family values' church members were supporting Newt at one point.


You mean to say that some people's problem with Obama isn't his mysterious faith and beliefs?

I wonder what that other thing might be.

;-)
 
2012-04-18 03:32:20 PM  

hugram: Funny how Obama has only been married once... as far as we all know, he has been faithful to Michelle... and their two daughters have been a model of good behavior... and yet, many 'family values' church members were supporting Newt at one point.


That is because 'family values' is a meaningless phrase. I value my family as much or more than any jackass who uses it. As far as I can tell, it means that you agree with the right wing social agenda. Which can be pretty anti-family. Which is hilarious.
 
2012-04-18 03:36:52 PM  

apoptotic: liam76: apoptotic: bigbaddoc: *sigh* I'm feeding the trolls, but here goes...

The central tenet of Christianity, irrespective of denomination, is that Jesus was the son of God in the flesh and incarnate. If you don't believe that, you can't by definition be a Christian.

Mormons believe that Jesus was a "saint", a prophet, and a great man... but not the son of God in the flesh, and therefore they cannot be Christians, despite their insistance.

Are you sure about that? I only ask because I did a quick search and found that mormonbeliefs.org disagrees.

"Jesus Christ was born into this world as the son of Mary (inheriting from her His mortality) and as the Son of God (inheriting from Him the powers of immortality)."

(redacted for irrelevance)

You missed my point, so let me try again.

You: Mormons aren't Christians because they "believe that Jesus...was not the son of God."
Mormon website: "Jesus Christ was born...as the son of God".

I'm not a Mormon or a Christian so I really don't care either way, I just found that particular argument to be a little weak.


The mormon "god" isn't the same as the chirstian "god" as was explained in the part you snipped as irrlelavant.

Here is part of it again.

In Chritianity God is an omnipotent being who created everything, and if you are good in life you can join him in heaven when you die. In Mormonism spirits were independnet of God and he gave them a path to become like him, ie you are good in life and you get yoru own world to be "god".

I am an athiest, so I have no dog in this fight, but if you aren't concerned what people believe in a conversation about faith you shouldn't enter conversation.

And you might want to look at who yo are replying to, that wasn't my initial reason for why they aren't christian.
 
2012-04-18 03:38:32 PM  

bigbaddoc: Mormons believe that Jesus was a "saint", a prophet, and a great man... but not the son of God in the flesh, and therefore they cannot be Christians, despite their insistance.


Mormon.org: Jesus Christ is the Savior of the world and the Son of God.
 
2012-04-18 03:38:45 PM  
Yeah, pretty much anytime you hear "family values" its a code word for "we're afraid of teh gays"
 
2012-04-18 03:47:13 PM  

hugram: Funny how Obama has only been married once... as far as we all know, he has been faithful to Michelle... and their two daughters have been a model of good behavior... and yet, many 'family values' church members were supporting Newt at one point.


Most everyone I've met who spout off about "family values" does not live up to said values. If you actually walk the walk, there's no need for talk. That goes for most every facet of life and every activity.
 
2012-04-18 03:50:44 PM  
Never met a Baptist that was christian either...

Sitting in there singing "Closer My God Than Thee"

Most of them seem to thing that "turning the other cheek" is a way to avoid getting a crick in their necks when staring at people who aren't Baptists.

What do you call thirty student governments in one building? A Baptist Church!

A large mass of holy-rollers who think that OTHER PEOPLE can atone for their own sins. Its farking stupidity.
 
2012-04-18 03:51:13 PM  

hugram: Funny how Obama has only been married once... as far as we all know, he has been faithful to Michelle... and their two daughters have been a model of good behavior... and yet, many 'family values' church members were supporting Newt at one point.


Anything with an R next to it's name, no matter how foul and repugnant.
 
2012-04-18 04:06:16 PM  

liam76: apoptotic: liam76: apoptotic: bigbaddoc: *sigh* I'm feeding the trolls, but here goes...

The central tenet of Christianity, irrespective of denomination, is that Jesus was the son of God in the flesh and incarnate. If you don't believe that, you can't by definition be a Christian.

Mormons believe that Jesus was a "saint", a prophet, and a great man... but not the son of God in the flesh, and therefore they cannot be Christians, despite their insistance.

Are you sure about that? I only ask because I did a quick search and found that mormonbeliefs.org disagrees.

"Jesus Christ was born into this world as the son of Mary (inheriting from her His mortality) and as the Son of God (inheriting from Him the powers of immortality)."

(redacted for irrelevance)

You missed my point, so let me try again.

You: Mormons aren't Christians because they "believe that Jesus...was not the son of God."
Mormon website: "Jesus Christ was born...as the son of God".

I'm not a Mormon or a Christian so I really don't care either way, I just found that particular argument to be a little weak.

The mormon "god" isn't the same as the chirstian "god" as was explained in the part you snipped as irrlelavant.

Here is part of it again.

In Chritianity God is an omnipotent being who created everything, and if you are good in life you can join him in heaven when you die. In Mormonism spirits were independnet of God and he gave them a path to become like him, ie you are good in life and you get yoru own world to be "god".

I am an athiest, so I have no dog in this fight, but if you aren't concerned what people believe in a conversation about faith you shouldn't enter conversation.

And you might want to look at who yo are replying to, that wasn't my initial reason for why they aren't christian.


Mea Culpa, I did overlook the usernames and that was why I snipped your post as being irrelevant to the original argument, the weakness of which was all I intended to address.
 
2012-04-18 04:20:03 PM  

Aarontology: So his hatred of President Obama is stronger than his faith.

heh.


I wonder what an anti-gay and pro-life Muslim candidate would do against a pro-gay, pro-choice Christian candidate.
 
2012-04-18 04:21:34 PM  

Weaver95: Vodka Zombie: That's because Mitt Romney is more Jesus than the Muslim, Kenyan Fartbongo.

I wish I lived in a country where we didn't require a religious test in order to hold public office. Religions do nothing but divide and destroy communities and countries.

I just wish people would stop considering religion as a key value for a candidate.


I wish the people who considered it would realize Obama is as Christian as they are. The rest of us could care less if he worships Allah or Cthulhu,
 
2012-04-18 04:24:21 PM  

Cyberluddite: It's all very simple--people like this choose who to endorse based on a very simple scoring system:

White: +20
Black: -100
Brown: -20
Christian (non-Catholic variety): +20
Christian (Catholic variety): +5
Mormon: -10
Muslim: -50
Atheist: -100
Straight: 0 (no points because it's just normal and the way everyone is supposed to be)
"Homosexual lifestyle choice": -100

Mittens scores a total +10 points, Fartbongo scores either -80 or -150, depending on whether they believe he's a Christian or a Muslim. Easy decision, really.


no Jewish? I'd say that would fall at about -5?
 
2012-04-18 04:25:39 PM  
Haven't read any comments so I have to ask - why doesn't this asshole Jeffress have his tax exempt status revoked. None
of these so called ministers are supposed to publicly endorse any candidates for any races at any level.
 
2012-04-18 04:28:08 PM  

Delaware_Bill: None of these so called ministers are supposed to publicly endorse any candidates for any races at any level.


citation needed.
 
2012-04-18 04:54:13 PM  
miss jinxed: Cyberluddite: It's all very simple--people like this choose who to endorse based on a very simple scoring system:

White: +20
Black: -100
Brown: -20
Christian (non-Catholic variety): +20
Christian (Catholic variety): +5
Mormon: -10
Muslim: -50
Atheist: -100
Straight: 0 (no points because it's just normal and the way everyone is supposed to be)
"Homosexual lifestyle choice": -100

Mittens scores a total +10 points, Fartbongo scores either -80 or -150, depending on whether they believe he's a Christian or a Muslim. Easy decision, really.

no Jewish? I'd say that would fall at about -5?


I think that would depend on the type of Jew you were. If you're an Israel-first, let's kick the Palestinians into the sea, you'd probably get 0 points. If you're an American who just happens to be a Jew and formulate policy without concern as to how it would affect Israel, you'd get -5 points.
 
2012-04-18 04:58:56 PM  
I was sitting in the IRS building yesterday, trying to deal with a problem. In the waiting room, they had Wolf Blitzer's program on the television.

I don't know if it was the already-overwhelming events of the day warping my head, but as I listened to Blitzer and his pundit friends discussing Mormonism vs. "real" Christianity, I was struck by the surrealism of it all.

Here we have one of the largest, and certainly still the most powerful collections of people/resources/weapons on the planet, gearing up for its regularly scheduled search for a leader. And a supposedly terribly important sticking point in that search for a leader, is what particular flavor of "guy in the sky telling me what to do" that would-be leader talks to in his private time. To the extent that it's publicly discussed by serious-looking men for a long time on a major news channel.

Unbelievable that we're still stuck at this point intellectually.
 
2012-04-18 05:00:05 PM  

Diogenes: You mean to say that some people's problem with Obama isn't his mysterious faith and beliefs?

I wonder what that other thing might be.


Arugula. Definitely.
 
2012-04-18 05:04:58 PM  

Zerochance: I think the Liberal media is free to zone in on the epic backpedaling going on in the GOP regarding Romney, but the Obama campaign has to leave those alone; particularly any anti-Mormon rants Evangelicals may have thrown out there. If the campaign were to use these in their ads, I believe the perceived message is that they're validating anti-Mormon sentiments. I don't think they'd gain much by employing this tactic, particularly when Obama has taken so much flak over distortions of his own religious faith.


I think they can use it and effectively so. Play the comments, go on how disgusting and reprehensible they are. Then show how Romney willfully goes after, attempts, and campaigns with bigots. How pandering to bigots so he can win an election is more important to him then having a backbone.

liam76: I am an athiest, so I have no dog in this fight, but if you aren't concerned what people believe in a conversation about faith you shouldn't enter conversation.


Bullshiat. You're the 2nd biggest Israel cock sucker on Fark.
 
2012-04-18 05:28:19 PM  

Guidette Frankentits: Proof churches will support anyone with the R next to their name.


That church. My church (Episcopal) is fairly liberal. Then again, we in the congregation don't ask the priest who to vote for, and she doesn't stand at the pulpit and tell us.

/fully support taxing churches that meddle in politics, certainly elections
 
2012-04-18 05:42:52 PM  
Yeah well, this is politics, not religion.
 
2012-04-18 05:47:46 PM  
Annnnndddddd how is Reverend Wright doing these days? You know, the racist freak that Obama listen to for 20 years, yet he never heard anything.
 
2012-04-18 05:56:40 PM  
"Difficulty: he publicly called the Mormon faith a cult five months ago and said Romney wasn't a Christian

Solution: Fortunately he's a scumbag hypocrit who wouldn't know a scruple if it punched him in the face, and the people who support him couldn't think their way past one of the "how to amuse an idiot" signs, so he'll probably be alright.
 
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