Apparently the law was a huge success, in that it got people to quit their addictions before applying for assistance. No easy feat! And it managed to do it without costly jails or using the criminal justice system. How is this a bad thing?

Since it's Florida, wouldn't it be more efficient to assume everybody is on drugs?

kiwimoogle84: No need to start name-calling. I'm aware it's a safety net- but it's a SAFETY NET not something to live on your whole life.

People are calling you stupid because your fingers are repeatedly hitting the keyboard in sequences that produce words that when strung together in the order you type them create stupid thoughts.

Then you hit "Add Comment".

Well yeah, but how much money did it make for Rick Scott's wife's drug testing operation? Try to focus on the positives, people.

jst3p: Just because you don't agree with my opinion, that doesn't make my opinion stupid. Maybe I'm lucky that I'm not as narrow minded as you, because not once have I said anything disparaging about your character.

kiwimoogle84: Give money to drug addicts and lazy illegal immigrants and completely discount real genuine hard work and true hardship. Welcome to my ignore list, you heartless communist.

Also: This is what falling off your high horse looks like. What a difference an hour makes.

jst3p: kiwimoogle84: Yes but why are the poor poor? I'm not self righteous. I have BEEN THERE. I worked myself out of it and if I can, anyone can.

I am beginning to believe you are dumb enough to actually believe this.

maybe he's blind and a quadriplegic who suffers from constant grand mal seizures. If someone like that can do it anyone can...

I'm hoppin mad that these leeches take mah tax money and spend it on drugs.
I'm not hoppin mad that these leeches take mah tax money and spend it on drug tests.

How many of those that failed the drug tests were Florida legislators who'd supported the law?

Oh, right. They were exempt.

Keep snorting that coke, guys. Coast is clear.

I am Jack's complete lack of suprise.

kiwimoogle84: Rapmaster2000: jst3p: kiwimoogle84: Give money to drug addicts and lazy illegal immigrants and completely discount real genuine hard work and true hardship. Welcome to my ignore list, you heartless communist.

If your reading comprehension wasn't so poor you would see that my motivation is based on the fact that there will always be a few bad apples but because there genuinely are some in need it is a cost of doing business if you want to help them.

But just for fun:

a student who was suddenly left with a 220k mortgage and all his debt. No life insurance.

Moved in with a man who broke my jaw and I couldn't talk or eat for two months. No health insurance

Yeah, you are a genuine hard luck story, no bad choices of your own lead you to your shiatty situation. Nope, none at all.

You've been ignored! Feel the burrrrrrrn!!!

I did enjoy the "my life is more screwed up than yours so I win" strategy. It's interesting.

Saw this through referenced comment. My god. Had you considered that my job didn't offer health insurance? You discounted the widowing. Yes, I chose this. Clearly. Oh, and a man beating a woman he's been dating for a year is ok too.

And rap master, my this only got escalated to prove a point. I understand hardship and still never took handouts. Don't want pity. Really I only wanted that guy to just acquiesce that I might have some perspective on the matter.

Fine I won't ignore it. With your poor decision making in men you picked one in poor health who died or had poor decision making skills himself and got himself killed. The one who beat you, obviously your poor decision skills. Your lack of health insurance show your poor decision making skills again. You obviously didn't further your education enough or didn't look for a proper job with health insurance. Hell, McDonald's offers health insurance.

I'm glad you didn't get assistance because you didn't deserve it, especially if you had your own "safety net" in family. I mean after all, my hard earned tax money shouldn't go to a person who has made nothing but horrible choices her entire life now should it? You would just end up wasting my money on more of your bad decisions. Unless there was some sort of test we could give you....

Was this the graph? The one that shows that food stamps and Medicaid programs went up after this policy was implimented.

I do see that TCA went down, but how do we know how much of that was a result of the policy and how much was a result of the improving economy?

Bontesla: I do think some posters have made comments dating themselves.

I dated myself one time. I got lucky but then I regretted it in the morning and cried rape.

kiwimoogle84: Salt Lick Steady: ThrobblefootSpectre: while you have remained polite and rational.

What color is the sky on your planet? She's gone from "I support the law" to "I heard about this guy on the internet" to "well it's just my opinion" to "all I'm saying is that people shouldn't be bums" to "I support treatment instead of the law."

She's wrong. End of story. But of course, any one touting "personal responsibility" is likely to feel victimized by being told, repeatedly, that they're simply wrong.

You're twisting my words. And fine. I'm wrong. But that's the beauty of America. I'm allowed to be wrong.


If that is the beauty of America we are looking at one of the greatest Americans to ever live.

If the drug testing was the cause of the drop what caused the other drops the other times, also why does the drop start before the start of the program.

MythDragon: Have we just tried, you know, not not giving these people all this money in order to encourage them to go out and get jobs?

Not not not giving them money, just not giving them money.
My Boobies made it seemed like I encouraged not not giving them any money, when that is, in fact, in direct contrast to my original intention of just not giving them money.

kiwimoogle84: jst3p: kiwimoogle84: No need to start name-calling. I'm aware it's a safety net- but it's a SAFETY NET not something to live on your whole life.

People are calling you stupid because your fingers are repeatedly hitting the keyboard in sequences that produce words that when strung together in the order you type them create stupid thoughts.

Then you hit "Add Comment".

Just because you don't agree with my opinion, that doesn't make my opinion stupid. Maybe I'm lucky that I'm not as narrow minded as you, because not once have I said anything disparaging about your character. Just because you have an opinion that does not mirror mine, I will defend your right to express your opinion.

But it is also true that some opinions are clearly stupid. Defending this program after it has been demonstrated that the only thing it does is waste tax payer money is stupid. I am sorry it is stupid and that you can't accept that, but it is.


Freedom of speech.

There you go typing stupid things again. Freedom of speech has absolutely zero context here. None. Not even close.

If you are jealous of the fabulous life of a welfare recipient you can just quit your job sell all your belongings, move into a shiat part of town in an apartment and then after you blow through your savings you can apply for social services and live a dream life that you always wanted.

kiwimoogle84: So I'm not high and mighty and saying screw the poor. Help those who need it. But for those people who just want to live on the dole, that's what I have a problem with, and I don't see why you don't have a problem with it. There's no such thing as a free lunch.

I feel the same way.

Anyone receiving government fund needs to be drug tested for the preservation of this magnificent nation.

When does the drug testing start for GM and bailed-out banking institutions?

The banks failed because they are using drugs because of Satan.

Galloping Galoshes: jabelar: The problem with conservative thinking is that they would rather stick to some impractical sense of what they think is right (that they want to force on other people) than be either practical or compassionate.

You mean, like mandating health care?

Why is it that conservatives simply cannot understand the difference between health care and insurance?

/I know, I know, facts are liberal.

kiwimoogle84: If you ask me to borrow money, don't I have the right to ask you how you plan to spend it?

Also:

I occasionally give homeless people money. I am pretty fortunate and I do pretty well. I don't donate enough to charity so it makes me feel better. Every once in awhile someone I am with when I give that person a few bucks gets all superior and says something like "I give them food, that way they wont spend it on liquor or drugs." To which I usually respond along the lines of "If they want to buy liquor or drugs fark it. Their life is shiatty, let them do whatever they want to feel better if only for a little while."

Is it helping them get off the street? No, but neither is the McDouble you bought them from the dollar menu, so don't think you are helping them any more than I am you self-righteous twunt.


/Jesus said to give to the poor
//He didn't say anything about attaching conditions or strings
///if you believe in that stuff

kiwimoogle84: If you ask me to borrow money, don't I have the right to ask you how you plan to spend it?

I don't think I'd borrow money from someone who doesn't know the difference between borrow and loan. You're in America! Speak the language or go back to whatever country you came from!

Drugs should only be legal if you have a job.
Working hard? Contributing to society? Sure, you can have a pill or joint or line to relax you.
No job? Then you're just a bum doing dope-you're under arrest.

dv-ous: When will conservatives realize that sometimes it's quicker, easier, and cheaper to say "fark it?"

If parasites are going to leech off of my labor, they at least can be tested to make sure they aren't spending it on crack.

I floated the theory that testing the Florida state legislature would produce a higher rate of drug users than the welfare population. I stick to that theory, and would love to see it tested in all 50 states.

But it DID funnel a SHI*TLOAD of money to the drug testing company that just so happens to be owned by Governor Lex Luthor's wife (which was turned over to her by her husband shortly before he ran for office).

Oh no. Nothing creepy or corrupt about that at all. Nosirree!

C'mon, now!

The point was never to stop drug abusers. The point was to put those lazy poors in their place and make the rest of us feel good about ourselves.

Mission accomplished!