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(Newser)   Remember that controversial Florida law requiring welfare seekers to submit to drug tests? Turns out it didn't save taxpayers any money, didn't affect the number of applications, and didn't even ferret out very many drug users   (newser.com) divider line 558
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2012-04-18 11:51:51 AM
didn't stop my state from doing the same thing nor our local news from lying about the savings.

Florida passed similar legislation back in 2010 decreasing their welfare applicant pool by 48 percent and saving their state $1.8 million.


lies
 
2012-04-18 11:54:39 AM
When will conservatives realize that sometimes it's quicker, easier, and cheaper to say "fark it?"
 
2012-04-18 11:55:50 AM
Shocked I tell you, shocked
 
2012-04-18 11:56:09 AM
I am Jack's complete lack of suprise.
 
2012-04-18 11:56:25 AM

Hobodeluxe: didn't stop my state from doing the same thing nor our local news from lying about the savings.

Florida passed similar legislation back in 2010 decreasing their welfare applicant pool by 48 percent and saving their state $1.8 million.


lies


Maybe they were just quoting another fake headline from Scott's website.
 
2012-04-18 11:57:05 AM
Well yeah, but how much money did it make for Rick Scott's wife's drug testing operation? Try to focus on the positives, people.
 
2012-04-18 11:57:29 AM
Since it's Florida, wouldn't it be more efficient to assume everybody is on drugs?
 
2012-04-18 11:57:42 AM
C'mon, now!

The point was never to stop drug abusers. The point was to put those lazy poors in their place and make the rest of us feel good about ourselves.

Mission accomplished!
 
2012-04-18 11:57:46 AM
A politician's idea turned out to be counterproductive? What a shock.
 
2012-04-18 11:57:50 AM
Has anybody noticed that the manufacturers of synthetic urine and drug testing kits are doing well in this economy?
 
2012-04-18 11:58:36 AM

duffblue: Since it's Florida, wouldn't it be more efficient to assume everybody is on drugs?


It's safer to assume they're all in retirement homes.
 
2012-04-18 11:59:25 AM
How many of those that failed the drug tests were Florida legislators who'd supported the law?

Oh, right. They were exempt.

Keep snorting that coke, guys. Coast is clear.
 
2012-04-18 11:59:42 AM

duffblue: Since it's Florida, wouldn't it be more efficient to assume everybody is on drugs?


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2012-04-18 12:00:45 PM
Just like voter ID laws.
 
2012-04-18 12:00:52 PM
Cool. Now let's apply the same program to government employees. This means you, politicians.
 
2012-04-18 12:03:07 PM
 
2012-04-18 12:03:13 PM
But it DID funnel a SHI*TLOAD of money to the drug testing company that just so happens to be owned by Governor Lex Luthor's wife (which was turned over to her by her husband shortly before he ran for office).

Oh no. Nothing creepy or corrupt about that at all. Nosirree!
 
2012-04-18 12:03:13 PM

kiwimoogle84: duffblue: Since it's Florida, wouldn't it be more efficient to assume everybody is on drugs?

It's safer to assume they're all in retirement homes.


So yes, heavily drugged.
 
2012-04-18 12:03:21 PM
I floated the theory that testing the Florida state legislature would produce a higher rate of drug users than the welfare population. I stick to that theory, and would love to see it tested in all 50 states.
 
2012-04-18 12:03:23 PM

supageil: How many of those that failed the drug tests were Florida legislators who'd supported the law?

Oh, right. They were exempt.

Keep snorting that coke, guys. Coast is clear.


This.
 
2012-04-18 12:03:59 PM

Churchy LaFemme: The point was never to stop drug abusers. The point was to put those lazy poors in their place and make the rest of us feel good about ourselves.


Guidette Frankentits: Just like voter ID laws.


These.
 
2012-04-18 12:04:08 PM
I'll bet the drug testing companies have a few politicians in their back pockets.
 
2012-04-18 12:04:30 PM
Look, the important thing is not whether a program is actually effective or not...

The important thing is how much taxpayer money we can funnel directly into the Governor's pockets while simultaneously giving people the notion of "sticking it to over-privileged poor people."

Stupid Lib.
 
2012-04-18 12:05:03 PM

elev8meL8r: kiwimoogle84: duffblue: Since it's Florida, wouldn't it be more efficient to assume everybody is on drugs?

It's safer to assume they're all in retirement homes.

So yes, heavily drugged.


Ahh yes. Point made.

/can't cure cancer but 96 year old men will have boners FOREVER
 
2012-04-18 12:05:20 PM
I will file this information under "No shiat, Sherlock"
 
2012-04-18 12:05:46 PM
Apparently the law was a huge success, in that it got people to quit their addictions before applying for assistance. No easy feat! And it managed to do it without costly jails or using the criminal justice system. How is this a bad thing?
 
2012-04-18 12:05:48 PM

dv-ous: When will conservatives realize that sometimes it's quicker, easier, and cheaper to say "fark it?"


If parasites are going to leech off of my labor, they at least can be tested to make sure they aren't spending it on crack.
 
2012-04-18 12:05:50 PM
If it's successful in associating welfare recipients with a criminal-like parole/probation status, Republicans are for it even if it costs money. In Republican America your net worth is your social worth and being poor is a crime.
 
2012-04-18 12:06:42 PM
Drugs should only be legal if you have a job.
Working hard? Contributing to society? Sure, you can have a pill or joint or line to relax you.
No job? Then you're just a bum doing dope-you're under arrest.
 
2012-04-18 12:06:45 PM
yeah, but it did increase the size and scope of the state government.


And that's a win in the republican and democrats book.
 
2012-04-18 12:07:38 PM

TV's Vinnie: But it DID funnel a SHI*TLOAD of money to the drug testing company that just so happens to be owned by Governor Lex Luthor's wife (which was turned over to her by her husband shortly before he ran for office).

Oh no. Nothing creepy or corrupt about that at all. Nosirree!


Heh... Just a coincidence, I'm sure.
 
2012-04-18 12:09:00 PM
It did exactly what it was intended to do. Too bad for Floridians what it was intended to do was to transfer money from the state treasury to Rick Scott.
 
2012-04-18 12:09:23 PM

Red_October: dv-ous: When will conservatives realize that sometimes it's quicker, easier, and cheaper to say "fark it?"

If parasites are going to leech off of my labor, they at least can be tested to make sure they aren't spending it on crack.


I said this in a thread just yesterday and got crucified for it. I wholeheartedly agree with this ideal. If you ask me to borrow money, don't I have the right to ask you how you plan to spend it?
 
2012-04-18 12:09:31 PM
Well, I'll be the brave one and admit it. I was highly in support of this and am quite disappointed It didn't work out. Oh well.
 
2012-04-18 12:10:07 PM
Pretty funny. Florida came out after the first month saying that they saved money.
 
2012-04-18 12:10:28 PM

kiwimoogle84: Red_October: dv-ous: When will conservatives realize that sometimes it's quicker, easier, and cheaper to say "fark it?"

If parasites are going to leech off of my labor, they at least can be tested to make sure they aren't spending it on crack.

I said this in a thread just yesterday and got crucified for it. I wholeheartedly agree with this ideal. If you ask me to borrow money, don't I have the right to ask you how you plan to spend it?


You were crucified for good reason. Did you read this article? THIS is why it is a stupid idea and a waste of tax payer dollars.
 
2012-04-18 12:10:51 PM
OBVIOUS tag is apparently out snorting coke off a hooker's ass.
 
2012-04-18 12:11:00 PM
Did it get rehab to any poor people who needed help? Because I sure would hate it if tax money were spent to get people help, you nazis.
 
2012-04-18 12:13:30 PM
The problem with conservative thinking is that they would rather stick to some impractical sense of what they think is right (that they want to force on other people) than be either practical or compassionate.

It's the same with any of the issues they like to legislate. No one really believes that drugs are particularly good for people, or that abortions are a great idea, or prostitution, or illegal aliens, etc. However, it is obvious that humans will simply seek out all that stuff whether it is good for them or not. There's a reason that the Old Testament mentions these things -- because humans have had the same tendencies for over 5000 years!

So while it is sad that people risk their health, make bad decisions, etc. it is simply impractical to enforce it and it is mean-spirited to punish it.

I know it feels "righteous" to say "you screwed up your life so society shouldn't help you", but actually righteous feelings that harden your heart towards others aren't even Christian! Anyone using the Christian Bible to inflict harsh rules on people is simply not doing it right. The proper Christian response to people screwing up their lives is to reach out to them, shower them with loving compassion, give a good example and trust that some people will turn around based on that. If you're angry or hard-hearted, you're going to Hell, and have no right to specify morals to anyone.

Anyway, anyone who thinks that denying a social assistance to someone who is already proven to be incapable of good life decisions is impractical and un-Christian/inhuman.
 
2012-04-18 12:13:44 PM

Hobodeluxe: didn't stop my state from doing the same thing nor our local news from lying about the savings.

Florida passed similar legislation back in 2010 decreasing their welfare applicant pool by 48 percent and saving their state $1.8 million.


lies


Technically they are saying that almost half as many people are now applying for welfare because of the drug test. I can't find any evidence to back this up and I suspect its not true. Any statistics on welfare applications per year?
 
2012-04-18 12:14:06 PM

Honest Bender: Cool. Now let's apply the same program to government employees. This means you, politicians.


We can test for megalomania, narcissism, fraud and nepotism now? Wow, those tests are getting impressive.

/the drugs politicians are on
 
2012-04-18 12:16:23 PM

kiwimoogle84: If you ask me to borrow money, don't I have the right to ask you how you plan to spend it?


I don't think I'd borrow money from someone who doesn't know the difference between borrow and loan. You're in America! Speak the language or go back to whatever country you came from!
 
2012-04-18 12:16:43 PM

Holodigm: Well, I'll be the brave one and admit it. I was highly in support of this and am quite disappointed It didn't work out. Oh well.


To get the full picture, you need to see if the regulation changed people's behavior. Are there a lot of people who dropped drugs for welfare (good)? Are there a lot of druggies that didn't apply for welfare (and are stealing to support themselves)? Are there a lot of welfare recipients using their benefits to buy synthetic urine? Not enough information here to make a judgement.
 
2012-04-18 12:16:49 PM

kiwimoogle84: I said this in a thread just yesterday and got crucified for it. I wholeheartedly agree with this ideal. If you ask me to borrow money, don't I have the right to ask you how you plan to spend it?


Not if it's more expensive than not caring.

Should we really spend *more* taxpayer dollars just so you can feel even more superior to poor people?
 
2012-04-18 12:17:16 PM

jst3p: kiwimoogle84: Red_October: dv-ous: When will conservatives realize that sometimes it's quicker, easier, and cheaper to say "fark it?"

If parasites are going to leech off of my labor, they at least can be tested to make sure they aren't spending it on crack.

I said this in a thread just yesterday and got crucified for it. I wholeheartedly agree with this ideal. If you ask me to borrow money, don't I have the right to ask you how you plan to spend it?

You were crucified for good reason. Did you read this article? THIS is why it is a stupid idea and a waste of tax payer dollars.


Yes, I RTFA. But your response to me was "so poor people should have to work for it?" um... Read that sentence aloud. It's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. EVERYONE should have to work for what they have. Everyone.

I'm not saying its necessarily the brightest idea. Just like the two billion dollar program to stop Medicare fraud saved only $25,000. What I am saying is that welfare fraud is a problem. Big or small, it's still a problem.
 
2012-04-18 12:17:27 PM

jabelar: The problem with conservative thinking is that they would rather stick to some impractical sense of what they think is right (that they want to force on other people) than be either practical or compassionate.


You mean, like mandating health care?
 
2012-04-18 12:17:57 PM

Barricaded Gunman: Well yeah, but how much money did it make for Rick Scott's wife's drug testing operation? Try to focus on the positives, people.


At least US$46,000.
 
2012-04-18 12:18:38 PM

The Homer Tax: kiwimoogle84: I said this in a thread just yesterday and got crucified for it. I wholeheartedly agree with this ideal. If you ask me to borrow money, don't I have the right to ask you how you plan to spend it?

Not if it's more expensive than not caring.

Should we really spend *more* taxpayer dollars just so you can feel even more superior to poor people?


I AM a poor person. I'm not superior to anyone. I'm just not above working crappy low paying jobs to make ends meet rather than take more than I contribute.
 
2012-04-18 12:18:57 PM

xebeche_tzu: Honest Bender: Cool. Now let's apply the same program to government employees. This means you, politicians.

We can test for megalomania, narcissism, fraud and nepotism now? Wow, those tests are getting impressive.

/the drugs politicians are on


I think that's just called the politician test.
 
2012-04-18 12:19:35 PM
The testing process was flawed.
 
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