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(Baltimore Sun)   Amazing: At 49 years, 150 days, Jamie Moyer becomes oldest player in Major League history to record a win. More amazing: Not one of his pitches tops 80 mph   (baltimoresun.com) divider line 81
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2012-04-18 10:39:24 AM  
Not that amazing: It was against minor league talent.

/Padres fan
 
2012-04-18 10:58:54 AM  
Baseball is still a game of (mostly) gentlemen. I have a feeling that somewhere around the 5 inning a gentleman's agreement happened.

Which I think is cool.


Kinda like when see the old times out on the ice for NHL game. Most the time they dont wear a helmet, they get to touch the puck but never take a shot, and everyone knows you don't hip check the old guy.
 
2012-04-18 11:29:28 AM  

obeymatt: Not that amazing: It was against minor league talent.

/Padres fan


*sob*


Anyway, it's time for another round of "Old Things That Are Younger Than Jamie Moyer's Career!" His major-league debut was on June 16, 1986.

First on the list: the movie "Major League."
 
2012-04-18 11:46:59 AM  
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Did he use the floater?
 
2012-04-18 12:06:46 PM  
Not one of his pitches tops 80 mph

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Not impressed.
 
2012-04-18 12:13:23 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Baseball is still a game of (mostly) gentlemen.


LOL

/oh, and no, there's no conspiracy to get him the win. The Padres really, really suck, and Moyer is still good. They got 0 earned runs off him in 7 innings.
 
2012-04-18 12:18:15 PM  
I hope Moyer plays until he's 60. That's a cool cat, lol.
 
2012-04-18 12:25:21 PM  

robsul82: I hope Moyer plays until he's 60. That's a cool cat, lol.


I hope he waits until he's actually eligible for Social Security.
 
2012-04-18 12:25:29 PM  

robsul82: I hope Moyer plays until he's 60. That's a cool cat, lol.


I believe he prefers the term "hep cat".
 
2012-04-18 12:32:29 PM  
MLB Managers Younger than Jamie Moyer:

Fredi Gonzalez (ATL)
Ozzie Guillen (MIA)
Dale Sveum (CHC)
Mike Matheny (STL)
Robin Ventura (CHW)
Manny Acta (CLE)
Joe Girardi (NYY)
Eric Wedge (SEA)

John Farrell would have also been on here, but missed by a few months.
 
2012-04-18 12:46:47 PM  
"At 49 years, 141 days, Jamie Moyer became the oldest player in Major League history to record a win as the Colorado Rockies defeated the Padres 5-3 in the second test of a three-game set at Coors Field."

this sounds suspiciously soccerish...
 
2012-04-18 12:49:38 PM  
Let me guess... Knuckleball pitcher? They don't throw hard at all, and can pitch forever... Sucks to be the catcher though.
 
2012-04-18 12:52:46 PM  
Sometimes I wish that Moyer was still a Mariner - he is still active in Seattle with his charity - he seems like a genuinely nice guy.
 
2012-04-18 12:54:46 PM  
god, i can't wait for the orioles to implode.
 
2012-04-18 12:55:01 PM  
I heard a stat the other day. If it is true it is amazing.

Jamie Moyer has face 9% of the hitters in MLB history.
 
2012-04-18 12:56:06 PM  

Grapple: Let me guess... Knuckleball pitcher? They don't throw hard at all, and can pitch forever... Sucks to be the catcher though.


Where have you been for the last 25 years?
 
2012-04-18 12:56:33 PM  

Grapple: Let me guess... Knuckleball pitcher? They don't throw hard at all, and can pitch forever... Sucks to be the catcher though.


Nope, just a nibbler. His cutter is probably the same speed - or damn close - as his fastball, which is probably annoying to hitters.
 
2012-04-18 12:56:42 PM  
Julio Franco is not impressed:

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He played until he a few days short of 50...in Dominican years! So you know he was probably 65.
 
2012-04-18 12:56:54 PM  

Gunny Highway: I heard a stat the other day. If it is true it is amazing.

Jamie Moyer has face 9% of the hitters in MLB history.


He has pitched in 49 MLB stadiums.

49.
 
2012-04-18 12:59:02 PM  
Moyer's pitches have never topped 80MPH. He is, and always has been, the quintessential "crafty" pitcher. It's not the speed, it's the difference in speed between his 75MPH "fast" ball, and his 65MPH change up that looks just like the fastball.

Well that, and a curve that can make it around turn 3 at Daytona in record time.
 
2012-04-18 12:59:15 PM  

Gunny Highway: I heard a stat the other day. If it is true it is amazing.

Jamie Moyer has face 9% of the hitters in MLB history.


Had to Google this shiat because that sounds awesome.

http://www.ken-jennings.com/messageboards/viewtopic.php?t=6995&sid=23 c 266a2c95bb444ad575c11196ab827

Between 1876 and 2011, 15,856 different players have completed at least one plate appearance.

Using play-by-play data from Retrosheet, complete from 1974 to 2011, partial from 1948 to 1973, we find:

The ten pitchers who have faced the most different batters:
1537 Greg Maddux (9.7%)
1433 Tom Glavine
1417 Nolan Ryan
1412 Jamie Moyer (8.9%)
1369 Randy Johnson
1330 John Smoltz
1285 Roger Clemens
1285 Mike Morgan
1265 Jim Kaat
1264 Tommy John

Faced the most different batters, batting as pitchers:
378 Greg Maddux
348 Tom Glavine
305 Jim Kaat
295 Steve Carlton
284 Phil Niekro
274 John Smoltz
273 Joe Niekro
261 Livan Hernandez
259 Jim Bunning
258 Rick Reuschel
To rank high on this list, avoid leagues that use a designated hitter.

Faced the most different batters, not batting as pitchers:
1254 Jamie Moyer
1206 Roger Clemens
1191 Randy Johnson
1178 Nolan Ryan
1175 Dennis Eckersley
1163 Greg Maddux
1121 David Wells
1120 Dennis Martinez
1109 Tim Wakefield
1101 Mike Morgan
To rank high on this list, change leagues.

Without play-by-play data going back to ... ever, I have no idea how to calculate a denominator for the second and third list. So, yes, Jamie Moyer has faced 8.9% of all batters ... ever, but that is not a record. He does hold the record in a category that cannot be expressed as a ratio. I intentionally counted post-season and All-Star games, because I was too lazy not to.

Bonus fun fact: Greg Maddux made his major league debut on 9/3/86 as a pinch-runner in the 17th inning. He stayed in to pitch the 18th, and lost. The starting pitchers were Nolan Ryan and Jamie Moyer. The game had actually started the day before, but was suspended after 14 innings, because Jamie Moyer and Greg Maddux began their careers before Wrigley Field had lights.
 
2012-04-18 01:04:58 PM  

craigzy: in the second test of a three-game set at Coors Field."

this sounds suspiciously soccerish...


Cricketish, actually. Soccer weenies play "friendlies", which means they don't tear up the grass when they dive.
 
2012-04-18 01:09:29 PM  
What's amazing is people's insistence on believing velocity is the key to good pitching.
 
2012-04-18 01:09:39 PM  
CSB time: I was at the Phillies-Indians game where Moyer gave up his 505th homerun, which tied the MLB career record. That was the only run he allowed and he took the win.
 
2012-04-18 01:10:29 PM  

robsul82: I hope Moyer plays until he's 60. That's a cool cat, lol.


agreed. golic and buster were talking about him a lot this morning...i could see this record standing a long, long time.
 
2012-04-18 01:14:00 PM  
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2012-04-18 01:15:17 PM  

Dazrin: Sometimes I wish that Moyer was still a Mariner...


Pine for the Ancient Mariner, huh?
 
2012-04-18 01:19:55 PM  
This guy made his debut when I was in 4th grade. I'll be 35 in a few months. That's just farking insane.

Put it this way, when he started pitiching, Davey Johnson looked like this
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now he looks like this

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2012-04-18 01:21:08 PM  

museamused: What's amazing is people's insistence on believing velocity is the key to good pitching.


Movement and deception are the best weapons a pitcher has. Greg Maddux had a hell of a career throwing low-speed pitches with perfect accuracy. Bringing it back to shiatty Padres teams, Randy Jones and Gaylord Perry each won Cy Youngs throwing absolute junk (Perry's, of course, with the occasional assist).

That said, hitting a 95+ mph fastball is pretty farking hard, even if it's totally straight.
 
2012-04-18 01:22:26 PM  

Gunny Highway: I heard a stat the other day. If it is true it is amazing.

Jamie Moyer has face 9% of the hitters in MLB history.


You can also link Moyer in a player chain to Cy Young with 6 teammates. 6!

Link
 
2012-04-18 01:25:33 PM  

hbk72777: This guy made his debut when I was in 4th grade. I'll be 35 in a few months. That's just farking insane.

Put it this way, when he started pitiching, Davey Johnson looked like this
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now he looks like this

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Nicely done sir!!!
 
2012-04-18 01:31:19 PM  

lecavalier: Nope, just a nibbler. His cutter is probably the same speed - or damn close - as his fastball, which is probably annoying to hitters.


Played a little bit of ball and many times, if you are used to guys throwing high 80's to low 90's, it will take an entire game to get used to a guy throwing sub 80s.
 
2012-04-18 01:32:20 PM  
I'll never forgive Jamie Moyer for turning against General Grant at the battle of Shiloh.
 
2012-04-18 01:34:52 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: craigzy: in the second test of a three-game set at Coors Field."

this sounds suspiciously soccerish...

Cricketish, actually. Soccer weenies play "friendlies", which means they don't tear up the grass when they dive.


I'll translate friendlies into American for you. SPRING TRAINING
 
2012-04-18 01:36:24 PM  
He started pitching when I was barely 3 years old.

I am now 28, almost 29.

That is just insane. He pitched during my entire school and college years, and quite a few post-school years. He started pitching when Reagan was president.
 
2012-04-18 01:37:41 PM  

BKITU: Greg Maddux had a hell of a career throwing low-speed pitches with perfect accuracy.


Maddux also had that slider that looked like it was heading for the batter's hips for 60'4", and then just dove. Hell, to this day, I swear I could hit Tom Glavine in his prime. It's going to be 75 MPH, and on the outside corner. But he made a lot of really good hitters look lost.
 
2012-04-18 01:41:22 PM  

hbk72777: This guy made his debut when I was in 4th grade. I'll be 35 in a few months. That's just farking insane.


I was in middle school, end of 7th grade, 12 years old, three months shy of turning 13. I'll be 39 this September.

My parents have gone from being parents of a (barely) pre-teen son and pre-teen daughter, to grandparents of a teenager via my younger sister.

An old friend of mine who shares my exact date of birth recently sent his oldest son off to college. His son is younger than Moyer's career.

When Moyer made his debut:

The only George Bush people knew or cared about was the Vice President.

The Princess Bride only existed in book form.

The most popular home computers were the Commodore 64 and the Apple II.

Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone was 11 years away from publication.

There was only one "Star Trek" series that had ever aired on television.

"The Legend of Zelda" referred to a single game.

Linus Torvalds had not yet taken a collegiate programming course. He was 16. Linux wouldn't exist for another 5 years.

And so on, and so on....

/fark, I'm old....
 
2012-04-18 01:45:47 PM  

BKITU: Anyway, it's time for another round of "Old Things That Are Younger Than Jamie Moyer's Career!" His major-league debut was on June 16, 1986.


So that's why he didn't make it to my 7th birthday party.
 
2012-04-18 01:49:50 PM  
I was -5 when he started pitching, now I'm old enough to drink... I love Moyer though. My Favorite non-Cub. (Even though his father in law's an ass.)
 
2012-04-18 01:51:20 PM  
Moyer made his debut a couple weeks after I finished sixth grade. Saturday I'm going to my 20 year high school reunion.
 
2012-04-18 01:52:02 PM  

Rent Party: Moyer's pitches have never topped 80MPH. He is, and always has been, the quintessential "crafty" pitcher. It's not the speed, it's the difference in speed between his 75MPH "fast" ball, and his 65MPH change up that looks just like the fastball.

Well that, and a curve that can make it around turn 3 at Daytona in record time.


That is exactly right. Guys like Moyer are so freaking hard to hit because they have the ball control of a regular pitcher as well as the unpredictability/unreadability of a knuckle-baller. Speed is almost a non-factor for finesse pitchers. I love watching Moyer pitch, and would probably still root for him even if he went back to Chicago.
 
2012-04-18 01:53:02 PM  
This guy was older, a LOT older, but fuzzy records kept him from getting the credit he deserved

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2012-04-18 01:54:44 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: 1986.

...7th birthday party.


Get the hell off my lawn.
 
2012-04-18 01:54:51 PM  

museamused: What's amazing is people's insistence on believing velocity is the key to good pitching.


Moyer's the exception, not the rule. At his pitch speed, most people would get rocked. For most pitchers, 79mph heat isn't useful enough for anything else in their repertoire to mean anything to the hitter. It's like me feinting a punch -- honestly, not even my full uppercut's gonna do much as I'm a desk worker, so as soon as you figure out I'm not a threat in any shape or form the fight's over. So WTF do you care how good my feint is?? Honestly, if 79mph heat was that dangerous, why are so many prospects washing out at the A, AA, AAA level? Many of these guys are finesse artists and just not getting the same results. It's not his age that's amazing; getting modern MLB hitters out with 79mph heat and without a knuckleball is unbelievable at any age. There's even an ambitdextrous pitcher with faster stuff who can't get past AA batters. Don't underestimate how special this is; it's like watching some bad kung-fu movie of a 50-year-old martial artist taking down 22-year-old Marines and MMA fighters using weird antiquated techniques and suddenly realizing it's real.

Moyer locates, sure, but what he does is "set up" batters. He plays like a chess master and attacks your ego. Most guys start with their fastball to set up the off-speed stuff as a coup de grace -- and that's if they're relatively smart. Moyer will often set up with the off-speed stuff, "junk" that's either on the edge of the strike zone or even just beyond it. He won't be afraid to "work" you into a 2-0 count (something most pitchers consider a disadvantage), then throw his fastball inside. It's only 79mph but it's coming in with completely different movement, different speed, different location -- and yet clearly in the strike zone. The hitter's first instinct is to "protect the plate" (and the thing looks very hittable) so they swing at the pitch and almost always make contact -- but they can't adjust in time, at least perfectly, and that oh-so-slim difference between perfection and imperfection results in a popup, fly ball or weak grounder. The defense does the rest.

Moyer knows what hitters spends hundreds of hours training to do, and exploits that finely honed programming like a nasty computer virus. He wants you to hit his stuff -- just not solidly, and he knows how to get you to do his work for him. This is a much more involved process than just throwing junkballs with precision. He's playing an intensely delicate dance with very little margin for error. Not everyone can be Jamie Moyer. There is only one of him for a reason; it's mind-blowing what he's doing out there. Again, there are probably hundreds of thousands of people in the world who can throw 79mph or faster but he's one of the only guys who can beat the best hitters on the planet with it.

That said, if the young punks with 90+mph heat bothered to learn even 10% of what Moyer knows we could enter a whole new "dead ball" era.
 
2012-04-18 01:58:00 PM  
Why, when he made his MLB debut, I was n years old, and now I am n + 26 years old!
 
2012-04-18 01:59:51 PM  

Super Chronic: Why, when he made his MLB debut, I was n years old, and now I am n + 26 years old!


Do we have the same birthday?!
 
2012-04-18 02:00:31 PM  

Gonz: Yanks_RSJ: 1986.

...7th birthday party.

Get the hell off my lawn.


Yes sir. But I'll be back later to egg your house and fill your mailbox with silly string.
 
2012-04-18 02:01:28 PM  

Super Chronic: now I am n + 26 years old!


Hey, I'm n + 26 years old too!

/ For some arbitrary value of n
// DO NOT solve for n
 
2012-04-18 02:05:18 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Gonz: Yanks_RSJ: 1986.

...7th birthday party.

Get the hell off my lawn.

Yes sir. But I'll be back later to egg your house and fill your mailbox with silly string.


OK, truth be told, I was only 10 in 86. But, still, telling someone to get off your lawn in a Moyer thread... it's a bucket list thing, right?
 
2012-04-18 02:07:43 PM  

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: Dazrin: Sometimes I wish that Moyer was still a Mariner...

Pine for the Ancient Mariner, huh?


It's about all we've got. He signed on with the M's the year after the insanity of the 95 season. Hell, they used to joke about his change up THEN.

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/Those commercials are from the 2000s I think
 
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