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2012-04-18 09:59:14 AM  
I know it's not technically entrapment but the job of the police is to enforce the law not induce crime because they're bored.
 
2012-04-18 11:24:49 AM  

Lumpmoose: I know it's not technically entrapment but the job of the police is to enforce the law not induce crime because they're bored.


I was thinking the same thing.

Doesn't change the fact that guy is a farking retard though haha.

"What'd I do that for!?"
 
2012-04-18 11:28:51 AM  
Forethought - F
Hindsight - A+
 
2012-04-18 11:39:15 AM  
Awe too bad its a truTV link, I really wanted to see that.
 
2012-04-18 11:46:37 AM  
"What the fark did I do that for!?"

Our entertainment apparently...
 
2012-04-18 12:02:31 PM  
This absolutely enrages me. Even if it's not technically entrapment, it should be illegal for cops to do shiate like that. I don't even have proper words for how wrong this is.
 
2012-04-18 12:03:02 PM  

GiantBat: "What the fark did I do that for!?"

Our entertainment apparently...


Scripted show is scripted.
 
2012-04-18 12:14:57 PM  

meehaw: This absolutely enrages me. Even if it's not technically entrapment, it should be illegal for cops to do shiate like that. I don't even have proper words for how wrong this is.


And if you're dumb enough to leave your car door open with the keys in it in downtown Atlanta, then you deserve to get it stolen. Fark, this is so maddening.
 
2012-04-18 12:16:00 PM  

meehaw: This absolutely enrages me. Even if it's not technically entrapment, it should be illegal for cops to do shiate like that. I don't even have proper words for how wrong this is.


How wrong is it?

It's not like they are targeting a specific minority while doing this. They are just targeting those who want to steal cars.

/When I see a car with keys in it and door open, my urge is to look around for the dumbass who left their car like that and then tell them not to be so stupid.
 
2012-04-18 12:17:58 PM  

meehaw: meehaw: This absolutely enrages me. Even if it's not technically entrapment, it should be illegal for cops to do shiate like that. I don't even have proper words for how wrong this is.

And if you're dumb enough to leave your car door open with the keys in it in downtown Atlanta, then you deserve to get it stolen. Fark, this is so maddening.


So you think the stupid or naive should be punished and not the criminals?
 
2012-04-18 12:19:46 PM  

darklingscribe: meehaw: This absolutely enrages me. Even if it's not technically entrapment, it should be illegal for cops to do shiate like that. I don't even have proper words for how wrong this is.

How wrong is it?

It's not like they are targeting a specific minority while doing this. They are just targeting those who want to steal cars.

/When I see a car with keys in it and door open, my urge is to look around for the dumbass who left their car like that and then tell them not to be so stupid.


I don't give a fark that its not targeting minorities. Those people would not have stolen the car were it not left open with the keys in it. The cops are creating the temptation, and thus creating the crime.
 
2012-04-18 12:21:14 PM  

darklingscribe: meehaw: meehaw: This absolutely enrages me. Even if it's not technically entrapment, it should be illegal for cops to do shiate like that. I don't even have proper words for how wrong this is.

And if you're dumb enough to leave your car door open with the keys in it in downtown Atlanta, then you deserve to get it stolen. Fark, this is so maddening.

So you think the stupid or naive should be punished and not the criminals?


The criminals are also the stupid and naive, and it is probable that they wouldn't have stolen a car that day...maybe ever...if the temptation had not been there.
 
2012-04-18 12:23:47 PM  

meehaw: This absolutely enrages me. Even if it's not technically entrapment, it should be illegal for cops to do shiate like that. I don't even have proper words for how wrong this is.


There was a guy who stole cars when he saw the opportunity, and cops took him off the street. And you're enraged about...what now?

It's called a honeypot. Offering the opportunity to commit a crime is not entrapment.
 
2012-04-18 12:35:31 PM  
This got me wondering exactly where the line is for when something becomes entrapment. Wikipedia seems to have a pretty good description (if it's accurate.)

Entrapment holds if all three conditions are fulfilled:

1. The idea for committing the crime came from the government agents and not from the person accused of the crime.
2. Government agents then persuaded or talked the person into committing the crime. Simply giving someone the opportunity to commit a crime is not the same as persuading them to commit that crime.
3. The person was not ready and willing to commit the crime before interaction with the government agents.
 
2012-04-18 12:47:23 PM  

meehaw: And if you're dumb enough to leave your car door open with the keys in it in downtown Atlanta, then you deserve to get it stolen.


No, if you think someone deserves to have their property stolen, then you're a low down dirty damn thief.
/go to jail
//go directly to jail
///do not pass go
////do not collect $200
 
2012-04-18 12:56:54 PM  

aelat: meehaw: This absolutely enrages me. Even if it's not technically entrapment, it should be illegal for cops to do shiate like that. I don't even have proper words for how wrong this is.

There was a guy who stole cars when he saw the opportunity, and cops took him off the street. And you're enraged about...what now?

It's called a honeypot. Offering the opportunity to commit a crime is not entrapment.


You mean the cops didn't give the guy the keys and asked him to clean the car out for them, only to bust him before he got home and started cleaning it for them. I guess he did do wrong.
 
2012-04-18 12:58:59 PM  

meehaw: The criminals are also the stupid and naive, and it is probable that they wouldn't have stolen a car that day...maybe ever...if the temptation had not been there.


A teenager may have been tempted, but this guy was an adult. He should have known better. Just as you and I would have.
 
2012-04-18 01:08:57 PM  
I see something has been left lying around. That means it's mine, right?
 
2012-04-18 01:13:43 PM  

meehaw: I don't even have proper words for how wrong this is.


I think that's because if you were to actually try, you'd have difficulty articulating exactly why this is wrong.

The criminals are also the stupid and naive, and it is probable that they wouldn't have stolen a car that day...maybe ever...if the temptation had not been there.

Doesn't matter what he might or might not have done. It matters what he did. I, and probably most people, would not steal a car no matter how "tempting" and seemingly unguarded it was.
 
2012-04-18 01:15:49 PM  
I am confused. I am told all the time that police are under staffed to catch the criminals that committed the crimes they know about. So why now do they have time to literally 'bait' people into committing crimes in front of them? I get that this guy stole a car and should be arrested, but don't the police have some crimes to solve?
 
2012-04-18 01:31:16 PM  

Kaiku: meehaw: I don't even have proper words for how wrong this is.

I think that's because if you were to actually try, you'd have difficulty articulating exactly why this is wrong.

The criminals are also the stupid and naive, and it is probable that they wouldn't have stolen a car that day...maybe ever...if the temptation had not been there.

Doesn't matter what he might or might not have done. It matters what he did. I, and probably most people, would not steal a car no matter how "tempting" and seemingly unguarded it was.


The bottom line is, this is just a completely unethical way to catch criminals. It's the worst of the police's strategies. It doesn't seem to be for the purpose of crime abatement, but for the purpose of padding a jurisdiction's numbers. In no way is this moral or scrupulous, and I would wager, it's not even an effective deterrent for stopping car thieves (It would probably be incredibly hard to prove this one way or another). It's harder than ever to steal newer cars:

"The National Insurance Crime Bureau (NICB) reports that 2010 continued the trend of declining national vehicle thefts for the seventh consecutive year. While the top five hot spots for 2010 showed an increase in thefts over the previous year, the other areas on the top 10 list actually had fewer thefts."

What is the purpose of this program, other than to pad the numbers? I maintain that it's creating the criminal, rather than deterring him. It's specious to think that because he stole the car on this occasion that he would in the future. This is effectively seeking out and baiting the worst in people, which is something we all have.

I have personally been affected grossly by vehicle theft. In 2001, on a move, my moving truck was stolen, the contents riffled through, and the rest burned, presumably to hide evidence. I not only lost a vehicle (which wasn't mine, but a rental agency's), I lost all of my possessions. Yet, I do not want to see people subject to this kind of unfair strategy. It is depraved and unscrupulous and immoral.
 
2012-04-18 01:33:40 PM  

meehaw: darklingscribe: meehaw: This absolutely enrages me. Even if it's not technically entrapment, it should be illegal for cops to do shiate like that. I don't even have proper words for how wrong this is.

How wrong is it?

It's not like they are targeting a specific minority while doing this. They are just targeting those who want to steal cars.

/When I see a car with keys in it and door open, my urge is to look around for the dumbass who left their car like that and then tell them not to be so stupid.

I don't give a fark that its not targeting minorities. Those people would not have stolen the car were it not left open with the keys in it. The cops are creating the temptation, and thus creating the crime.


If I saw a car open like that with the keys in it, I wouldn't steal it. Sooooo.

Pro tip, of criminals wouldnt steal cars, there would be no need for stuff like this.
 
2012-04-18 01:39:27 PM  
Would've been more amusing if he locked the doors and then dumped the keys into a storm drain or something. At least that's what I would have done.
 
2012-04-18 01:49:03 PM  
Aside from some of the subjective issues around exactly how they run the bait car operation, I look at it this way.

Entrapment:

Undercover cop: "Hey, I saw this car with the keys it."
Potential thief: "Wow, that is crazy."
Undercover cop: "I bet you could make some cash if you steal it."
Potential thief: "Yeah, I bet I could but I don't want to take the chance."
Undercover cop: "I know someone you can sell it to, so there isn't any chance you will get caught"
Potential thief: "I guess if I don't have to risk selling the car I might do it."
Undercover cop: "I'll even give you a ride!"
Potential thief: "Okay, lets go!"

Not entrapment
Potential thief: "Wow, a car with the keys in the ignition. I think I'll take it"
 
2012-04-18 02:06:55 PM  
I think the cops did a good job. How much you wanna bet this guy won't try to steal a car again?
 
2012-04-18 02:26:00 PM  

MrSeeificare: I think the cops did a good job. How much you wanna bet this guy won't try to steal a car again?


Yeah...because there is absolutely NO such thing as recidivism and people NEVER commit a crime if they're caught doing it once, ever again. Also, Prison is a wonderful place where criminals learn to be wonderful people and don't ever learn how to commit other crimes.
 
2012-04-18 02:34:14 PM  
I guess they were tired of solving actual crimes, so they had to set one up.
 
2012-04-18 02:55:08 PM  
I'm sure with this arrest they have surely taken down the mastermind of some international car theft ring.
 
2012-04-18 03:03:00 PM  

meehaw: Kaiku: meehaw:


What is the purpose of this program, other than to pad the numbers? I maintain that it's creating the criminal, rather than deterring him. It's specious to think that because he stole the car on this occasion that he would in the future. This is effectively seeking out and baiting the worst in people


ftfy

Your belief that he isn't likely to commit this crime in the future is irrelevant and unprovable. What is provable is his willingness to steal when the opportunity presents itself.
 
2012-04-18 03:14:49 PM  

meehaw: This absolutely enrages me. Even if it's not technically entrapment, it should be illegal for cops to do shiate like that. I don't even have proper words for how wrong this is.


It's not entrapment, period.
 
2012-04-18 03:30:37 PM  

meehaw: This absolutely enrages me. Even if it's not technically entrapment, it should be illegal for cops to do shiate like that. I don't even have proper words for how wrong this is.


I have a couple words which sum it up nicely. You're an idiot.
 
2012-04-18 03:36:59 PM  

BubbaWilkins: meehaw: This absolutely enrages me. Even if it's not technically entrapment, it should be illegal for cops to do shiate like that. I don't even have proper words for how wrong this is.

I have a couple words which sum it up nicely. You're an idiot.


Nice argument. Succinct. Intelligent. Cogent.
 
2012-04-18 03:40:30 PM  

aelat: meehaw: Kaiku: meehaw:


What is the purpose of this program, other than to pad the numbers? I maintain that it's creating the criminal, rather than deterring him. It's specious to think that because he stole the car on this occasion that he would in the future. This is effectively seeking out and baiting the worst in people

ftfy

Your belief that he isn't likely to commit this crime in the future is irrelevant and unprovable. What is provable is his willingness to steal when the opportunity presents itself.


If cops were to leave a $20 bill on the street, could that be a honeypot? Could you convict someone of stealing a $20 bill off the street? How about a $1000 bill? That's what it takes to make felony theft, right? I would wager that most of us, under the right circumstances, could be lured into taking something that wasn't ours.
 
2012-04-18 03:40:57 PM  

meehaw: This absolutely enrages me. Even if it's not technically entrapment, it should be illegal for cops to do shiate like that. I don't even have proper words for how wrong this is.


People busted in sting operations like this should provide the court with the local newspaper's crime report for the day they were arrested as part of their defense.
 
2012-04-18 03:47:23 PM  

meehaw: If cops were to leave a $20 bill on the street, could that be a honeypot? Could you convict someone of stealing a $20 bill off the street?


NYPD wallet sting
 
2012-04-18 03:52:54 PM  

ko_kyi: meehaw: If cops were to leave a $20 bill on the street, could that be a honeypot? Could you convict someone of stealing a $20 bill off the street?

NYPD wallet sting


Jesus Christ. This is absolutely through the looking glass.
 
2012-04-18 03:54:11 PM  

meehaw: ...I would wager, it's not even an effective deterrent for stopping car thieves (It would probably be incredibly hard to prove this one way or another). It's harder than ever to steal newer cars:

"The National Insurance Crime Bureau (NICB) reports that 2010 continued the trend of declining national vehicle thefts for the seventh consecutive year. While the top five hot spots for 2010 showed an increase in thefts over the previous year, the other areas on the top 10 list actually had fewer thefts."

What is the purpose of this program, other than to pad the numbers? I maintain that it's creating the criminal, rather than deterring him. It's specious to think that because he stole the car on this occasion that he would in the future. This is effectively seeking out and baiting the worst in people, which is something we all have.


I cannot prove that newer cars are solely responsible for the decline in thefts over the last couple of years, but they are certainly a factor.

So how can you completely discount what effect Bait cars bait cars might in this statistic as well?
 
2012-04-18 04:02:17 PM  

darklingscribe: meehaw: ...I would wager, it's not even an effective deterrent for stopping car thieves (It would probably be incredibly hard to prove this one way or another). It's harder than ever to steal newer cars:

"The National Insurance Crime Bureau (NICB) reports that 2010 continued the trend of declining national vehicle thefts for the seventh consecutive year. While the top five hot spots for 2010 showed an increase in thefts over the previous year, the other areas on the top 10 list actually had fewer thefts."

What is the purpose of this program, other than to pad the numbers? I maintain that it's creating the criminal, rather than deterring him. It's specious to think that because he stole the car on this occasion that he would in the future. This is effectively seeking out and baiting the worst in people, which is something we all have.


I cannot prove that newer cars are solely responsible for the decline in thefts over the last couple of years, but they are certainly a factor.

So how can you completely discount what effect Bait cars bait cars might in this statistic as well?


I can't. That's what I meant by it being possibly hard to prove. It is probably many factors lowering the number of cars stolen.

But I think it's a little irrelevant. Shooting people on site is a good way to deter theft, also. But our society has decided the amorality of that punishment is not worth the determent of the crime. I believe that this, too, is not worth the determent. It's absolutely unethical, in my opinion.
 
2012-04-18 04:14:36 PM  
Some of the reactions here bug me in the same way that the attractive nuisance doctrine bothers me.

That being said, doing this with a wallet is ridiculous. Not sure where my own line is.

/time to consider that
//to the cogitation room!
 
2012-04-18 04:25:02 PM  

meehaw: BubbaWilkins: meehaw: This absolutely enrages me. Even if it's not technically entrapment, it should be illegal for cops to do shiate like that. I don't even have proper words for how wrong this is.

I have a couple words which sum it up nicely. You're an idiot.

Nice argument. Succinct. Intelligent. Cogent.


I thought so. You've taken an unintelligible position which effectively boils down to it being wrong because the Police were the ones who owned the vehicle in question. Whether or not the Police setup a vehicle like this is completely irrelevant . What is relevant is that a vehicle was left unattended for any number of reasons and a thief decided to take advantage of the situation. End of discussion.

Now you could argue that it creates too much of a temptation, and I'll counter that the temptation already exists in the mind of the thief who is only in need of an opportunity in which to act upon it. Given his actions once he got into the car, it would appear to me that this was not his first time and had it not been a bait care, wouldn't have been his last. Net result is that a criminal was caught easily with very little impact on the rest of society. Would you have preferred it be someone else's car and that a family of 5 was killed when the thief ended the probable high speed chase by plowing into a minivan?
 
2012-04-18 04:33:09 PM  

meehaw: darklingscribe: meehaw: ...I would wager, it's not even an effective deterrent for stopping car thieves (It would probably be incredibly hard to prove this one way or another). It's harder than ever to steal newer cars:

"The National Insurance Crime Bureau (NICB) reports that 2010 continued the trend of declining national vehicle thefts for the seventh consecutive year. While the top five hot spots for 2010 showed an increase in thefts over the previous year, the other areas on the top 10 list actually had fewer thefts."

What is the purpose of this program, other than to pad the numbers? I maintain that it's creating the criminal, rather than deterring him. It's specious to think that because he stole the car on this occasion that he would in the future. This is effectively seeking out and baiting the worst in people, which is something we all have.


I cannot prove that newer cars are solely responsible for the decline in thefts over the last couple of years, but they are certainly a factor.

So how can you completely discount what effect Bait cars bait cars might in this statistic as well?

I can't. That's what I meant by it being possibly hard to prove. It is probably many factors lowering the number of cars stolen.

But I think it's a little irrelevant. Shooting people on site is a good way to deter theft, also. But our society has decided the amorality of that punishment is not worth the determent of the crime. I believe that this, too, is not worth the determent. It's absolutely unethical, in my opinion.


In some cities, they tried this kind of project by leaving a loaded gun on a park bench next to a gagged, blindfolded woman in her underwear. But after receiving too many complaints that the temptation was simply unfair to murderers, they scaled it back and went with the bait car idea instead.
 
2012-04-18 06:09:31 PM  

Lumpmoose: I know it's not technically entrapment but the job of the police is to enforce the law not induce crime because they're bored.


Dude! They can't prevent crime unless they are part of it. Geez.

Why do you hate our country.

/i feel safer
 
2012-04-18 06:10:49 PM  

darklingscribe: meehaw: This absolutely enrages me. Even if it's not technically entrapment, it should be illegal for cops to do shiate like that. I don't even have proper words for how wrong this is.

How wrong is it?

It's not like they are targeting a specific minority while doing this. They are just targeting those who want to steal cars.

/When I see a car with keys in it and door open, my urge is to look around for the dumbass who left their car like that and then tell them not to be so stupid.


They should sprinkle Beiber CD's around schoolyards and arrest the little thieving bastards.

/i feel safer
 
2012-04-18 06:13:56 PM  
They need to have a TV show about baiting cops.
 
2012-04-18 07:12:59 PM  
Like most law enforcement, this only works because the criminals are even stupider than the cops.
 
2012-04-18 07:28:35 PM  
wow, a TRU tv link that was actually had truth. Normally I watch that show and they have every lie and excuse in the book
"Yo man, I was just movin this car so someone else doesn't steal it"
"Yo, this is.. my cousin's car, yea, she let me borrow it"
"You can't arrest me, I'm on parole already"
"Umm, I'm a valet.. yea, I'm just movin this to the other parking lot across town"
 
2012-04-18 08:33:54 PM  
Its late in the comments but to all the idiots who think this shouldn't be done...

what the fark. Why CAN'T I leave my god damn doors open and leave something un attended to for 5 minutes without some jerk off stealing it?

Why not?

Give me one god damn good reason why not. This is why our society is compleat shiat. Because we CAN'T do this. I think anyone who falls for a bait car should get an automatic death penalty. Just put a gun in the steering wheel. I'm sure open car thefts would drop in a big hurry when the first thought through the thief's mind is "alright.. am I gonna get a bullet to the head for doing this?"
 
2012-04-18 08:38:04 PM  

JeffMD: Its late in the comments but to all the idiots who think this shouldn't be done...

what the fark. Why CAN'T I leave my god damn doors open and leave something un attended to for 5 minutes without some jerk off stealing it?

Why not?

Give me one god damn good reason why not. This is why our society is compleat shiat. Because we CAN'T do this. I think anyone who falls for a bait car should get an automatic death penalty. Just put a gun in the steering wheel. I'm sure open car thefts would drop in a big hurry when the first thought through the thief's mind is "alright.. am I gonna get a bullet to the head for doing this?"


Let me ask you a question.

Why do people need to have a certain list of rules plastered all over?

/i will covet an ass if i want
 
2012-04-18 08:38:41 PM  
k lets replace the car with just a wallet full of money, sitting there on a sidewalk bench.
How do you see the situation now?
 
2012-04-18 08:55:37 PM  
Stop, why do you need a list of rules to not steal shiat? Covet what is not yours.. and be ready for a bullet.
 
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