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(Atlanta Journal Constitution)   Kentucky starting line up to return for another NCAA tournament run........just kidding, they are all going pro   (ajc.com) divider line 94
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2012-04-18 12:51:47 AM
Well, color me shocked. Can't blame them a bit, though. Why get an education when you can go straight to the big money. I mean leagues. Big leagues.

/NBA is boring
//Seriously, don't blame them a bit
 
2012-04-18 12:55:39 AM

Mountain Doo: Well, color me shocked. Can't blame them a bit, though. Why get an education when you can go straight to the big money. I mean leagues. Big leagues.


I don't blame the first rounders, which all 5 Kentucky players should be. When comparing NBA and college education, 99.999% of the time the body will go before the mind, do the NBA then go back and get the degree if you need it.

There are plenty of dumbasses though who declare early and get drafted well into the second round if at all and never make a roster.
 
2012-04-18 01:07:49 AM
He is running a program that prepares kids for the NBA. Make it an Associates Degree with some courses in basic finance and public speaking and tell the haters "middle-finger".
 
2012-04-18 01:16:05 AM

ole prophet: He is running a program that prepares kids for the NBA. Make it an Associates Degree with some courses in basic finance and public speaking and tell the haters "middle-finger".


The haters are probably the same people who go into the Politics tab and say "How dare Obama say everyone should go to college. You can make great money as a plumber with just a high school degree"
 
2012-04-18 01:33:07 AM

12349876: ole prophet: He is running a program that prepares kids for the NBA. Make it an Associates Degree with some courses in basic finance and public speaking and tell the haters "middle-finger".

The haters are probably the same people who go into the Politics tab and say "How dare Obama say everyone should go to college. You can make great money as a plumber with just a high school degree"


Except for the fact that it's true. You CAN make great money without a college degree. Just ask your plumber.

/or a Kentucky basketball player
 
2012-04-18 01:42:32 AM

matthew_tray: 12349876: ole prophet: He is running a program that prepares kids for the NBA. Make it an Associates Degree with some courses in basic finance and public speaking and tell the haters "middle-finger".

The haters are probably the same people who go into the Politics tab and say "How dare Obama say everyone should go to college. You can make great money as a plumber with just a high school degree"

Except for the fact that it's true. You CAN make great money without a college degree. Just ask your plumber.

/or a Kentucky basketball player


I didn't say it wasn't true. Just saying that being a one and done hater and a plumber lover makes you a hypocrite.
 
2012-04-18 09:12:26 AM

12349876: ole prophet: He is running a program that prepares kids for the NBA. Make it an Associates Degree with some courses in basic finance and public speaking and tell the haters "middle-finger".

The haters are probably the same people who go into the Politics tab and say "How dare Obama say everyone should go to college. You can make great money as a plumber with just a high school degree"


That has always been my problem:

1. In what profession would you not take the best talent available?
2. In what other profession/sport do people leave college early to make a boat load of money and criticized for it? You don't hear people complain about baseball players, golfers, tennis players, etc. when they leave college early and turn pro.
 
2012-04-18 09:13:07 AM
Are more kids jumping ship this year? I may be following the draft news more closely than in the past but it seems like a ton of kids are entering the draft.
 
2012-04-18 09:19:48 AM

Gunny Highway: Are more kids jumping ship this year? I may be following the draft news more closely than in the past but it seems like a ton of kids are entering the draft.


Not abnormally so, but it is expected to be a particularly loaded draft due in no small part to this article.

I tend to think of leaving college early for the NBA as more of a 'climbing-aboard-the-ship' rather than jumping anyways.
 
2012-04-18 09:20:35 AM
I blame this all on Ashley's puffy face.
 
2012-04-18 09:23:26 AM
One and Done.

Now onto the next one.
 
2012-04-18 09:31:41 AM
Gunny Highway

A significant number of players who could have declared last year waited until the lockout was done and declared this year. If there was no looming NBA lockout, I'd expect a couple Kentucky players and some of the other big names to declare last year.
 
2012-04-18 09:40:12 AM

Mountain Doo: Well, color me shocked. Can't blame them a bit, though. Why get an education when you can go straight to the big money. I mean leagues. Big leagues.


Hell, you can always go back to college and finish up during the off-season now that you have the money to pay for tuition. Not like the university's going anywhere.

e.g., Link
 
2012-04-18 09:48:56 AM

ole prophet: He is running a program that prepares kids for the NBA. Make it an Associates Degree with some courses in basic finance and public speaking and tell the haters "middle-finger".


and let them get paid while they play. other degree candidates get paid as teaching assistants and lab workers. why not, as you said, offer a BA in "applied athletics" and pay the players a decent wage? it is they, after all, who are generating billions of dollars a year for the NCAA athletic system. why shouldn't they have a piece of that -- especially those players who may not go on to the NBA?
 
2012-04-18 09:51:37 AM
There was a study the WSJ did a few years ago that said only 26 players in the MLB have college degrees.

Seems to me intelligent people wouldn't stand in a stationary position and let someone else throw a ball 95MPH at them, so it sounds about right...

/I kid
//Sort of
 
2012-04-18 09:51:56 AM
Mike Anderson, Billy Gillespie, Frank Martin and Frank Haith in the SEC. We just need to get Bill Self over here and we can have ourselves a party.
 
2012-04-18 09:52:51 AM

PunchDrunkPanda: There was a study the WSJ did a few years ago that said only 26 players in the MLB have college degrees.

Seems to me intelligent people wouldn't stand in a stationary position and let someone else throw a ball 95MPH at them, so it sounds about right...

/I kid
//Sort of


It's safer than having a 300 lb lineman charging at you.
 
2012-04-18 09:53:24 AM
If you have a complaint it's with the NCAA.

NBA - not their problem
Players - might as well make bank, they're only here because they're forced into it
Coach - don't blame a guy for being good at a farked up system
School - They answer to the NCAA

As a proud UK fan I say "Fix this shiat. College BB is really starting to suck. Even winning it all can't hide the NCAA's taint."
 
2012-04-18 09:57:35 AM

Mentat: It's safer than having a 300 lb lineman charging at you.


I'll never understand why dual athletes choose football over baseball. I'd rather get Greyhound splinters in BFE, Nebraska for a couple seasons then spend a dozen years and a journey utility-man than get tossed into the 3-season NFL gauntlet before spending the rest of my life who was driving the cement truck that ran me over.
 
2012-04-18 09:58:02 AM

bionicjoe: As a proud UK fan I say "Fix this shiat. College BB is really starting to suck. Even winning it all can't hide the NCAA's taint."


Word.

End all sports scholarships.
 
2012-04-18 09:59:00 AM

PunchDrunkPanda: I tend to think of leaving college early for the NBA as more of a 'climbing-aboard-the-ship' rather than jumping anyways


I like that.
 
2012-04-18 09:59:14 AM
That's ok, Coach Cal has to jump to the NBA soon too, before his program gets yet another death penalty from the NCAA
 
2012-04-18 09:59:47 AM
If you accept a scholarship, you should have to stay for the 4 years.
 
2012-04-18 09:59:56 AM

FlashHarry: and let them get paid while they play. other degree candidates get paid as teaching assistants and lab workers. why not, as you said, offer a BA in "applied athletics" and pay the players a decent wage? it is they, after all, who are generating billions of dollars a year for the NCAA athletic system. why shouldn't they have a piece of that -- especially those players who may not go on to the NBA?


They already get paid through the recruiting process - see: USC, $cam Newton, etc. (yes, that's football, but basketball players at major programs get many of the same sort of payouts). Most of it is under the table, of course, but that's in addition to all of the official perks like scholarships, free food plans, free housing, free scooters, etc.

/unless you're talking about bringing all of the under-the-table crap out into the open and making it more transparent, your point is moot
 
2012-04-18 10:02:09 AM

9beers: If you accept a scholarship, you should have to stay for the 4 years.


Why? They don't give 4 year athletic scholarships. They are 1 year scholarships with an option to renew. If you blow out your knee, the university doesn't renew the contract and you have to leave school. Why should the players be required to show the university more loyalty than the university shows them?
 
2012-04-18 10:02:21 AM

Lost Thought 00: That's ok, Coach Cal has to jump to the NBA soon too, before his program gets yet another death penalty from the NCAA


It's getting nearly impossible to discern between clueless and troll these days.
 
2012-04-18 10:02:50 AM
Even though it means taking a cut in pay? And now they're going to have to pay taxes. I've been to Keeneland and have seen the UK players getting 'tips' on how to bet
 
2012-04-18 10:03:42 AM
Wow, English is hard.

moar coffee...
 
2012-04-18 10:05:32 AM

Lost Thought 00: If you blow out your knee, the university doesn't renew the contract and you have to leave school.


Ok, that helped. Clueless it is.
 
2012-04-18 10:07:53 AM

9beers: If you accept a scholarship, you should have to stay for the 4 years.


What about half and quarter scholarships? What if it gets taken away to add two incoming freshman, one of whom is taking your spot in the top six?

/not bitter
//=(
 
2012-04-18 10:11:29 AM
Weren't they already pros this past season?

/be here all week. Try the veal
 
2012-04-18 10:12:04 AM

nopokerface: Lost Thought 00: If you blow out your knee, the university doesn't renew the contract and you have to leave school.

Ok, that helped. Clueless it is.


He's right. There's no reason players should have to stay four years when the university offers one-year scholarships. Look at what happened with Wayne Blackshear and Rick Pitino at Louisville if you think Lost Thought 00. The situation he stated happened this year.
 
2012-04-18 10:13:37 AM

babysealclubber: nopokerface: Lost Thought 00: If you blow out your knee, the university doesn't renew the contract and you have to leave school.

Ok, that helped. Clueless it is.

He's right. There's no reason players should have to stay four years when the university offers one-year scholarships. Look at what happened with Wayne Blackshear and Rick Pitino at Louisville if you think Lost Thought 00 is being crazy about schools pulling scholarships, he's not. The situation he stated happened this year.


Wow, accidental add. Anyway, he is clueless about Cal, but his situation is dead on.
 
2012-04-18 10:16:02 AM

PunchDrunkPanda: What about half and quarter scholarships? What if it gets taken away to add two incoming freshman, one of whom is taking your spot in the top six?


Doesn't sound like it was your spot at all.
 
2012-04-18 10:18:33 AM
I always keep wondering when the European basketball leagues will start taking top quality American high school players and start paying them immediately. Why deal with all the garbage of the NCAA when you can start getting a check right away?

/not to mention teaching them how to actually play the NBA game instead of college
 
2012-04-18 10:18:43 AM

babysealclubber: There's no reason players should have to stay four years when the university offers one-year scholarships.


I agree with that. But, the NCAA has an insurance program for students who get injured on scholarship, they don't have to leave school. They usually do because they weren't really students anyway though.
 
2012-04-18 10:19:31 AM
College Basketball is a legitimate sport. It is not at all a minor league for the pros where players are paid under the table by schools who only want titles. It is 100% about education and preparing players for non-athletic careers.

/only managed a straight face because I'm so pissed off this morning
 
2012-04-18 10:23:17 AM

bionicjoe: If you have a complaint it's with the NCAA.

NBA - not their problem
Players - might as well make bank, they're only here because they're forced into it
Coach - don't blame a guy for being good at a farked up system
School - They answer to the NCAA

As a proud UK fan I say "Fix this shiat. College BB is really starting to suck. Even winning it all can't hide the NCAA's taint."


NCAA - Is a voluntary organization made up of its member schools, and can only wield whatever powers the schools allow it to. Basically if the NCAA can't fix something, it's because the schools can't agree on how to fix it, or don't want to fix it.
 
2012-04-18 10:23:32 AM

nopokerface: n insurance program for students who get injured on scholarship


When the NCAA "insurance" covers guaranteed NBA money lost by coming back, let me know.

What do you think about baseball, soccer, golf and tennis players leaving school early? Basketball is far from the only sport where people leave college early.
 
2012-04-18 10:24:56 AM
But seriously, someone, please name me any other instance when people are given crap for leaving college early for a guaranteed boat load of money.
 
2012-04-18 10:26:01 AM

Yanks_RSJ: PunchDrunkPanda: What about half and quarter scholarships? What if it gets taken away to add two incoming freshman, one of whom is taking your spot in the top six?

Doesn't sound like it was your spot at all.


*shakes fist*

B-b-but senior year...
 
2012-04-18 10:27:10 AM

babysealclubber: When the NCAA "insurance" covers guaranteed NBA money lost by coming back, let me know.


I think we are miscommunicating.

I agree with you completely about kids who can turn pro and make big money. They should. In fact, I think they are fools no to.

I was just pointing out that kids on scholarship who get injured (who probably weren't going pro regardless) aren't thrown into the street as was implied.
 
2012-04-18 10:30:25 AM

nopokerface: babysealclubber: When the NCAA "insurance" covers guaranteed NBA money lost by coming back, let me know.

I think we are miscommunicating.

I agree with you completely about kids who can turn pro and make big money. They should. In fact, I think they are fools no to.

I was just pointing out that kids on scholarship who get injured (who probably weren't going pro regardless) aren't thrown into the street as was implied.


Oh, got ya.
 
2012-04-18 10:37:28 AM
10 years ago kids skipped college to the pros.
and kentucky is re-loading
 
2012-04-18 10:42:03 AM
It's not like this is anything new. Kansas lost 5 players to the draft in '08 (though I think most were upperclassmen.)

The problem is that if you expect any other team in NCAA basketball to win the national championship in the foreseeable future, other than the following list, you're delusional:

UK
Duke
UNC
KU
UCLA
Syracuse
Michigan State


I'd also include UConn if Calhoun were still alive, and Florida if it didn't have to compete with Kentucky for recruits. Maybe some Butler or Villanova magic might happen at some point, but those odds are slim.
 
2012-04-18 10:42:03 AM

nopokerface: I was just pointing out that kids on scholarship who get injured (who probably weren't going pro regardless) aren't thrown into the street as was implied.


Yeah that would be a tough pitch in the living room, in front of Joe Schmoe's parents. For the 99% of D-1 , 2, and 3 schools who don't have resources to throw around, they are fully invested in rehabilitating and rehashing the players on their roster, injuries and all. Especially recruiting locally and regionally, coaches have to have good relationships with local high schools and JuCos. Whereas Coach Cal can show up in a living room of a town he can't find on a map and have the player lap him up, most coaches don't have that luxury.

FIX OLD NO NEW
 
2012-04-18 10:43:22 AM

12349876: I don't blame the first rounders, which all 5 Kentucky players should be. When comparing NBA and college education, 99.999% of the time the body will go before the mind, do the NBA then go back and get the degree if you need it.


Hahahahahahahaha. Yeah, sure, how many of them actually go back to school. Those guys are never setting foot on a college campus again.
 
2012-04-18 10:43:30 AM
Calipari is a great professor. He gets his students a job in their chosen field.
 
2012-04-18 10:43:54 AM

PunchDrunkPanda: For the 99% of D-1 , 2, and 3 schools who don't have resources to throw around, they are fully invested in rehabilitating and rehashing the players on their roster, injuries and all.


I agree with most of your post, but that's not how the insurance works.
 
2012-04-18 10:44:51 AM

expobill: 10 years ago kids skipped college to the pros.
and kentucky is re-loading


Re-loading? I don't think so
 
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