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(Salon)   Crusading hero of the people, Mitch McConnell, scores a win for disenfranchised and oppressed millionaires everywhere   (salon.com) divider line 201
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2012-04-17 12:11:09 PM
Thanks Mitch, you cock.

He looks so much like a turtle in that picture it's not even funny.
 
2012-04-17 12:13:45 PM
fta: This is fine by Democrats, who have embraced legislative futility as a political strategy of last resort.

If they won't let you get anything done at least write up the good legislation you want to pass and then get the bastards on record as opposing it.

I've been saying this for a while now.
 
2012-04-17 12:15:16 PM
The extremely wealthy have been without a voice in our government for too long. Thank God we have a Patriot Hero like Mitch McConnell who is willing to put their priorities at the very top of the list for once.
 
2012-04-17 12:17:23 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: The extremely wealthy have been without a voice in our government for too long. Thank God we have a Patriot Hero like Mitch McConnell who is willing to put their priorities at the very top of the list for once.


Well, to be fair, his top goal is to make Obama a one term president.
 
2012-04-17 12:18:01 PM
TFA: Most voters, even registered independents, generally identify with one party and respond to partisan cues, while authentic swing voters frequently work backward to form their opinions - deciding, for instance, that they don't like a president and think he's pursuing bad policies when their own sense of economic anxiety is high.

i.imgur.com

You know... morons.
 
2012-04-17 12:18:06 PM
Is there anyway the Dems can trade Mark Pryor to the Republicans in exchange for Susan Collins?
 
2012-04-17 12:19:26 PM
Why ANYONE who is not rich would support the Republican party is a mystery to me. They have nothing but contempt for you if you're not at least a millionaire.
 
2012-04-17 12:19:55 PM

Gwyrddu: Is there anyway the Dems can trade Mark Pryor to the Republicans in exchange for Susan Collins?


Only if they throw in a third round draft pick.
 
2012-04-17 12:20:13 PM
the poor should pay more so the rich can have more tax breaks

this is what republicans actually believe.

It will be a great for america when republicans and conservatives are finally relegated to the trash heap of history where they belong. We can then move forward as a nation.
 
2012-04-17 12:20:58 PM

LordJiro: Why ANYONE who is not rich would support the Republican party is a mystery to me. They have nothing but contempt for you if you're not at least a millionaire.


The Republicans have never done anything to help the middle class, that cost the wealthy anything. Every Republican idea just "happens" to benefit the rich disproportionately. Their idea, EVERY farkING YEAR, is always the same.

"Let's get more money into the hands of the rich, because that's gonna create jobs. That's what rich people do when they get lots of money."

Meanwhile Mitt Romney is spending his fortune on a mansion with a car elevator, and not starting a business employing Americans.

The money always flows up, like the mob. Don't you smucks get it?

If you vote Republican, and you aren't making a million a year or more, you've been duped. You're a shmuck.
 
2012-04-17 12:21:11 PM
Does anyone realize what the GOP just did?
Republicans save an unpopular tax loophole that favors the super-rich, and they might just get away with it


Which unpopular tax loop hole did they just save?
 
2012-04-17 12:22:23 PM
I am so tired of living in a country as stupid as the US is. How did we get here?
 
2012-04-17 12:22:28 PM
Man, when will the super-rich in America *ever* catch a break?
 
2012-04-17 12:23:17 PM

don't understand: I am so tired of living in a country as stupid as the US is. How did we get here?


What is stupid is that Democrats are singing this gimmick as anything other than that, an election year gimmick.
 
2012-04-17 12:23:27 PM

Forgot_my_password_again: the poor should pay more so the rich can have more tax breaks

this is what republicans actually believe.



Michelle Bachmann et al. - Everyone should pay something, even if it is only $10.
//the stupid, it burns
 
2012-04-17 12:24:50 PM
www.hyscience.com
 
2012-04-17 12:28:17 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Gwyrddu: Is there anyway the Dems can trade Mark Pryor to the Republicans in exchange for Susan Collins?

Only if they throw in a third round draft pick.


How about we give them a first rounder, and they take Lieberman too? I mean for a guy who owns a chocolate factory, Lieberman really is a dick.

prestigioushomesflatfeeservices.net
 
2012-04-17 12:28:23 PM
Continue to fark yourself, Scott Brown.
 
2012-04-17 12:28:23 PM
Man, Salon really sucks.

Headline: Does anyone realize what the GOP just did? Republicans save an unpopular tax loophole that favors the super-rich, and they might just get away with it

Implication: Republicans saved this unknown loophole that allows the rich to make off like bandits.

Reality: Republicans vote against tax increase for wealthy (you know, the way they've been doing it for 60 years)
 
2012-04-17 12:28:41 PM

don't understand: I am so tired of living in a country as stupid as the US is. How did we get here?


Stupid people vote for stupid ideas and 'gut instinct' because they are too intellectually lazy to do otherwise. Or they just vote straight ticket without considering the ideas of each person they are voting into office.

You can blame education if you want. I blame the media, particularly TV. No one bothers to do good research anymore, even the researchers.

This phenomenon is not specific to one party.
 
2012-04-17 12:28:57 PM

EWreckedSean: [www.hyscience.com image 397x247]


so, you're saying we shouldn't do it because it doesn't automatically solve the problem all by itself? can someone not as lazy as me show up the numbers of all the Republican proposed plans that also do not 100% solve the problem by themselves?
 
2012-04-17 12:29:11 PM

EWreckedSean: [www.hyscience.com image 397x247]


Which is a bigger number, $8.01 trillion or $7.7 trillion?
 
2012-04-17 12:29:18 PM

EWreckedSean: Does anyone realize what the GOP just did?
Republicans save an unpopular tax loophole that favors the super-rich, and they might just get away with it

Which unpopular tax loop hole did they just save?


Arguably, the preferential rate for capital gains and the carried interest rule that allows wages for hedge fund managers to be treated as capital gains.
 
2012-04-17 12:29:41 PM

EWreckedSean: Does anyone realize what the GOP just did?
Republicans save an unpopular tax loophole that favors the super-rich, and they might just get away with it

Which unpopular tax loop hole did they just save?


all of them.

Best part FOREVER!
 
2012-04-17 12:29:55 PM

EWreckedSean: [www.hyscience.com image 397x247]


Do you want to put NPR and/or Planned Parenthood on that same graph using the same scale?
 
2012-04-17 12:30:01 PM
...but people living in trailer parks everywhere will continue to vote gop because Obama will take their guns away and but them in nazi-maoist FEMA camps where they will be forced to get healthcare by death panels... ALL while making the recession worse and hating mothers.

I know this because I heard that "some are saying" this on Fox and Friends.
 
2012-04-17 12:30:39 PM

palelizard: EWreckedSean: [www.hyscience.com image 397x247]

Which is a bigger number, $8.01 trillion or $7.7 trillion?


Or, you know, 7.979 trillion.
 
2012-04-17 12:30:52 PM

Imperialism: unknown loophole


Imperialism: unpopular tax loophole


?
 
2012-04-17 12:31:04 PM

EWreckedSean: [www.hyscience.com image 397x247]


So then you are also against making any cuts that are less than 31 billion because they are too small? Or you being a hypocrite?
 
2012-04-17 12:31:51 PM

EWreckedSean: [www.hyscience.com image 397x247]


img7.imageshack.us
 
2012-04-17 12:32:21 PM

ManateeGag: EWreckedSean: [www.hyscience.com image 397x247]

so, you're saying we shouldn't do it because it doesn't automatically solve the problem all by itself? can someone not as lazy as me show up the numbers of all the Republican proposed plans that also do not 100% solve the problem by themselves?


Well, he is right, the Buffett Rule does not go nearly far enough. Instead, we should change cap gains to be taxed as normal income, raise the top three tax brackets to 30%, 35% and 40% and then add two additional brackets at the 500k and 1 million levels, at 45% and 50% respectively.
 
2012-04-17 12:32:52 PM
How many hedge fund managers could there possibly be in this country? How hard would it be to just round them all up and burn them alive in a barn?

EHF'M, my new bandname: Exterminate Hedge Fund Managers
 
2012-04-17 12:33:14 PM

ManateeGag: EWreckedSean: [www.hyscience.com image 397x247]

so, you're saying we shouldn't do it because it doesn't automatically solve the problem all by itself? can someone not as lazy as me show up the numbers of all the Republican proposed plans that also do not 100% solve the problem by themselves?


I'm saying it is nothing but a gimmick. $3 billion a year, when we have a $1.1 trillion deficit? We don't need gimmicks, we need real solutions, largely in the form of spending cuts.
 
2012-04-17 12:33:18 PM

LordJiro: Why ANYONE who is not rich would support the Republican party is a mystery to me. They have nothing but contempt for you if you're not at least a millionaire.


Because they are f*cking stupid and proudly vote against their self interests.
 
2012-04-17 12:33:28 PM

EWreckedSean: What is stupid is that Democrats are singing this gimmick as anything other than that, an election year gimmick.


If it's only a gimmick with no actual effect why do Republicans care if it passes then?

Why not at least give it a full senate vote then blocking something that they admit will have no effect on anything?

Are you saying the Republicans are so partisan that they are blocking a bill that they think will not even do anything?
 
2012-04-17 12:33:56 PM
This is fine by Democrats, who have embraced legislative futility as a political strategy of last resort. The idea, which President Obama and his party's congressional leaders came around to after last summer's debt ceiling spectacle, is to force Senate votes that illustrate how out of the mainstream the Obama-era Republican Party has become - and how its obstinacy is preventing progress on the issues that voters most want to see addressed.

So letting GOP hacks like McConnell have their way is a good political strategy?

What?

i1136.photobucket.com
 
2012-04-17 12:34:27 PM

sdd2000: EWreckedSean: [www.hyscience.com image 397x247]

Do you want to put NPR and/or Planned Parenthood on that same graph using the same scale?


Sure. Those are also gimmicks, although the government has no business funding either.
 
2012-04-17 12:34:36 PM

EWreckedSean: [www.hyscience.com image 397x247]


The talking points are out early. We've got "but, but, drop in the bucket". "You're all just jealous of rich people" should be making an appearance any minute.

You've got to love the intellectual honesty of a graph that compares one year of revenue to many years of deficits.
 
2012-04-17 12:34:44 PM

Jackson Herring: Imperialism: unknown loophole

Imperialism: unpopular tax loophole

?


I meant along the "Does anyone realize what the GOP just did?" part. They voted against a tax increase. They always vote against tax increases. I don't know what this writer was trying to get at.

/i think we need higher taxes
 
2012-04-17 12:34:52 PM

EWreckedSean: I'm saying it is nothing but a gimmick. $3 billion a year, when we have a $1.1 trillion deficit? We don't need gimmicks, we need real solutions, largely in the form of spending cuts.


IF IT'S ONLY A GIMMICK WHY THEN ARE REPUBLICANS BEING SO PARTISAN IN BLOCKING IT?

IF 3 BILLION A YEAR IS NOW "NOTHING" THEN ARE YOU ALSO AGAINST ANY CUTS THAT ARE 3 BILLION OR LESS?
 
2012-04-17 12:35:33 PM

don't understand: I am so tired of living in a country as stupid as the US is. How did we get here?


I would argue that only two things really drive conservative morality: is us versus them, and punishment and reward. Worship of free markets, psychological dependence on dualistic religious schemes of heaven and hell, and even their apparent mass lack of empathy is really all about punishment and reward. If you didn't get rich enough with the right job, you deserve to be poor and die of untreated medical conditions. If you didn't keep your legs crossed, you deserve to be forced into childbirth. If you did anything to bring yourself under government suspicion, you deserve to be subject to police brutality and torture. The rest of the racial and religious aggression and resentment is just a function of tribal us versus them mentality. Sanctity, loyalty and authority aren't core values of the conservative mind, but simply functions of the principles of punishment and reward, and us versus them. Link (new window)
 
2012-04-17 12:35:50 PM

Corvus: EWreckedSean: I'm saying it is nothing but a gimmick. $3 billion a year, when we have a $1.1 trillion deficit? We don't need gimmicks, we need real solutions, largely in the form of spending cuts.

IF IT'S ONLY A GIMMICK WHY THEN ARE REPUBLICANS BEING SO PARTISAN IN BLOCKING IT?

IF 3 BILLION A YEAR IS NOW "NOTHING" THEN ARE YOU ALSO AGAINST ANY CUTS THAT ARE 3 BILLION OR LESS?


Corvus, chill. He's a dishonest right-wing shill. We all know that. You're yelling at a list of pre-printed talking points.
 
2012-04-17 12:36:11 PM

palelizard: palelizard: EWreckedSean: [www.hyscience.com image 397x247]

Which is a bigger number, $8.01 trillion or $7.7 trillion?

Or, you know, 7.979 trillion.


Who cares? Increasing taxes by .3% isn't a solution, it's a joke.
 
2012-04-17 12:37:05 PM

Primum: How many hedge fund managers could there possibly be in this country? How hard would it be to just round them all up and burn them alive in a barn?

EHF'M, my new bandname: Exterminate Hedge Fund Managers


Well, I don't think most politicians would vote to burn their own children alive.
 
2012-04-17 12:38:20 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: don't understand: I am so tired of living in a country as stupid as the US is. How did we get here?

I would argue that only two things really drive conservative morality: is us versus them, and punishment and reward. Worship of free markets, psychological dependence on dualistic religious schemes of heaven and hell, and even their apparent mass lack of empathy is really all about punishment and reward. If you didn't get rich enough with the right job, you deserve to be poor and die of untreated medical conditions. If you didn't keep your legs crossed, you deserve to be forced into childbirth. If you did anything to bring yourself under government suspicion, you deserve to be subject to police brutality and torture. The rest of the racial and religious aggression and resentment is just a function of tribal us versus them mentality. Sanctity, loyalty and authority aren't core values of the conservative mind, but simply functions of the principles of punishment and reward, and us versus them. Link (new window)


Us versus them is hardly a tactic only used by one side. Hell the whole rule is nothing but Obama using us versus them to scapegoat the wealth, while doing nothing to solve the problem. This extra $3-7 billion a year isn't why we are where we are.
 
2012-04-17 12:38:22 PM

EWreckedSean: ManateeGag: EWreckedSean: [www.hyscience.com image 397x247]

so, you're saying we shouldn't do it because it doesn't automatically solve the problem all by itself? can someone not as lazy as me show up the numbers of all the Republican proposed plans that also do not 100% solve the problem by themselves?

I'm saying it is nothing but a gimmick. $3 billion a year, when we have a $1.1 trillion deficit? We don't need gimmicks, we need real solutions, largely in the form of spending cuts.


Let's cut military by spending 1/3, eliminate oil subsidies, and stop funding the Nazis running Israel.

How's that for starters?
 
2012-04-17 12:39:36 PM

EWreckedSean: ManateeGag: EWreckedSean: [www.hyscience.com image 397x247]

so, you're saying we shouldn't do it because it doesn't automatically solve the problem all by itself? can someone not as lazy as me show up the numbers of all the Republican proposed plans that also do not 100% solve the problem by themselves?

I'm saying it is nothing but a gimmick. $3 billion a year, when we have a $1.1 trillion deficit? We don't need gimmicks, we need real solutions, largely in the form of spending cuts.


It's only $4.7 billion a year over the next ten years under current law. Under current policy, it's about $16 billion a year.

And regarding your claim that it's a gimmick, sure, I'll agree that it won't close the deficit by itself and is gimmicky in that sense. At the same time, pulling all funding for Planned Parenthood, Title X, or NPR is gimmicky because it would do even less than the Buffett Rule would in closing the deficit, yet those seemed to be the biggest funding sources the Republicans focused their budget attention on over the last year and a half.
 
2012-04-17 12:40:23 PM

LordJiro: Why ANYONE who is not rich would support the Republican party is a mystery to me. They have nothing but contempt for you if you're not at least a millionaire.


They've managed to convince just enough stupid people that they are the party of Jesus. And that all poor people will be rich some day. It's actually been a killer strategy for them
 
2012-04-17 12:40:37 PM

spiderpaz: LordJiro: Why ANYONE who is not rich would support the Republican party is a mystery to me. They have nothing but contempt for you if you're not at least a millionaire.

The Republicans have never done anything to help the middle class, that cost the wealthy anything. Every Republican idea just "happens" to benefit the rich disproportionately. Their idea, EVERY farkING YEAR, is always the same.

"Let's get more money into the hands of the rich, because that's gonna create jobs. That's what rich people do when they get lots of money."

Meanwhile Mitt Romney is spending his fortune on a mansion with a car elevator, and not starting a business employing Americans.

The money always flows up, like the mob. Don't you smucks get it?

If you vote Republican, and you aren't making a million a year or more, you've been duped. You're a shmuck.


Let's run with this comment fir a bit - Ok, let's pretend that all Mitt Romney does is build a mansion with a car elevator. How does that not help the economy?

It would employ construction workers to build the mansion - and construction jobs have been hit hard by this recession. That's more work for them.

And then you have the electricians, plumbers, carpenters, and other skilled workers who benefit too. It would take a lot of skilled labor to install a car elevator, wouldn't it? How many workers do you think it would take to do that - and those are high-paying jobs too.

Here's why the left wing's politics of envy doesn't work - punishing the rich hurts the poor.

Think I'm wrong? Look at what happened to the American yacht industry when the government slapped a punitive tax on yachts. After all, only the "1%" buy yachts - so Congress decided to punish the rich by massively taxing yacht sales.

What was the result? The American shipbuilding industry went into free fall, causing the loss of thousands of jobs - many of them skilled jobs. Leading the eventual charge against the tax? Ted Kennedy, as Massachusetts was the center of the American yacht industry. You can read more about the yacht tax of 1990 here and also in this article from The New York Times.

There's a lesson to be learned here: punishing the "rich" leads to all sorts of unintended consequences. Hell, the forerunner of the Buffett Rule, the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) now ensnares millions of taxpayers when it was only intended to make the rich pay their "fair share".

The "Buffett Rule" is a lie - because it's tied to AMT reform, the bill in the Senate would not have raised any revenue whatsoever. It was a purely political bill and a Democratic game. The Senate was right to reject it as a matter of policy.
 
2012-04-17 12:40:52 PM

ManateeGag: EWreckedSean: [www.hyscience.com image 397x247]

so, you're saying we shouldn't do it because it doesn't automatically solve the problem all by itself? can someone not as lazy as me show up the numbers of all the Republican proposed plans that also do not 100% solve the problem by themselves?


This law never had any chance of passing. Everybody knew that, including Democrats. They wasted time and money pushing it solely because it is an election year and it helps drive the class warfare crap that helps them in the voting booth.
 
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