Do you have adblock enabled?
 
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Slate)   Now that it's Tax Day, you should know that Grover Norquist wants your taxes to be even more complicated than they already are. Why? If paying taxes becomes easy, people will stop complaining about them   (slate.com ) divider line
    More: Asinine, Tax Day, Grover Norquist, tax preparation, H&R Block, Matthew Yglesias, Magnum Photos, Americans for Tax Reform  
•       •       •

1800 clicks; posted to Politics » on 17 Apr 2012 at 1:03 PM (4 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



96 Comments     (+0 »)
 
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


Oldest | « | 1 | 2 | » | Newest | Show all

 
2012-04-17 12:24:45 PM  
Link (new window)
 
2012-04-17 12:39:01 PM  
Unless you own a business that is NOT a sole proprietorship, your taxes are not complicated.

H&R Block wants you to THINK your taxes are complicated so you'll pay then $75 to hand you a 14 page file that could have been taken care of with a one page 1040EZ, but most people are smart enough to do their own taxes.
 
2012-04-17 12:47:03 PM  
But the government trundles onward no matter what you do-keeping cops on the street and drones in the air and sending out all those Social Security checks.

Um, no. With decreased revenue you have people in Congress trying to get rid of a bunch of programs. Well, not the drones of course, we can't touch any money going to the military.
 
2012-04-17 12:54:10 PM  
Also, my taxes took about an hour, the online 1040 damn near fills itself out.
 
2012-04-17 01:06:19 PM  
1.2% effective rate this year. My god I am drooling over the refund check... oh wait my wife already has it spent.
 
2012-04-17 01:07:53 PM  

what_now: Unless you own a business that is NOT a sole proprietorship, your taxes are not complicated.

H&R Block wants you to THINK your taxes are complicated so you'll pay then $75 to hand you a 14 page file that could have been taken care of with a one page 1040EZ, but most people are smart enough to do their own taxes.


This. You've probably got:

* one or two W-2s
* a handful of 1099s of various kinds (-DIV and -INT mostly)
* a 1098 for a mortgage (maybe two)
* charitable giving receipts

Throw in some child credits and whatever deductions for your hobby-based business, and you're talking about an hour or two tops.
 
2012-04-17 01:10:29 PM  
I work for a state's division of Taxation so I'm getting a kick out of this thread.

/taxes aren't hard
 
2012-04-17 01:13:28 PM  

timujin: Also, my taxes took about an hour, the online 1040 damn near fills itself out.


I was amazed and slightly disturbed that an online IRS form running on Silverlight seemed so robust and easy.
 
2012-04-17 01:13:50 PM  
Considering the panic some people have when I hand them $10.12 on an $8.12 bill, perhaps taxes really are difficult for some.
 
2012-04-17 01:16:21 PM  

what_now: 1040EZ, but most people are smart enough to do their own taxes.


But I thought the 1040EZ was just for sluts.

/stolen from letterman
 
2012-04-17 01:16:27 PM  
Why are taxes for complex in the US? In most Western countries, you don't even fill out a tax return for personal taxation unless you're in the top tax bracket, submit as a sole proprietor, or have had some sort of complex share transaction.

80% of the population will have never even seen a tax return in the UK for example, never-mind have an accountant.
 
2012-04-17 01:17:14 PM  

Lumpmoose: timujin: Also, my taxes took about an hour, the online 1040 damn near fills itself out.

I was amazed and slightly disturbed that an online IRS form running on Silverlight seemed so robust and easy.


As was I, I had to install Silverlight to get it to work, but once I did it worked well.
 
2012-04-17 01:19:50 PM  
Is it just me, or does Grover Norquist have a ridiculous amount of influence on American policy? And I mean way beyond what is either healthy or sane. Especially since his policy is no new taxes under any circumstances ever.

/Oh, and yes, I am aware that he also supports cutting government spending to balance the budget, when he actively campaigns on THAT part, and not just the "no new taxes" than we can talk.
 
2012-04-17 01:21:18 PM  
"... all enemies, foreign and domestic."

Norquist falls into the latter category.
 
2012-04-17 01:21:31 PM  

T-Servo: Considering the panic some people have when I hand them $10.12 on an $8.12 bill, perhaps taxes really are difficult for some.


Why would you do that? I don't get it...

My federal tax return came out to exactly $0. That's twice that's happened.
 
2012-04-17 01:24:18 PM  

NINDroog: Is it just me, or does Grover Norquist have a ridiculous amount of influence on American policy? And I mean way beyond what is either healthy or sane. Especially since his policy is no new taxes under any circumstances ever.

/Oh, and yes, I am aware that he also supports cutting government spending to balance the budget, when he actively campaigns on THAT part, and not just the "no new taxes" than we can talk.


Yeah, and every time they offer to cut spending it is in programs that help people. Food assistance for the poor? CUT IT. Cut military spending or intelligence budgets? Oh, HELL NAW.
 
2012-04-17 01:25:17 PM  
img.youtube.com

Approves

Sensible Deduction (new window)
 
2012-04-17 01:26:51 PM  

burninbeaver: [img.youtube.com image 480x360]

Approves

Sensible Deduction (new window)


Approves of how easy it is.... not the article.
 
2012-04-17 01:27:13 PM  

funk_soul_bubby: Why would you do that? I don't get it...


To get two singles back instead of a single, three quarters, a dime, and three pennies.
 
2012-04-17 01:28:01 PM  
Grover Norquist will be remembered as a villain, if at all. Fark that guy.
 
2012-04-17 01:29:49 PM  
between ADP, Turbo Tax, my college education and generally not being retarded, taxes take no more than an hour to get a non-audited maximum return for both state and federal.
 
2012-04-17 01:30:03 PM  
Shut up, Grover Norquist, you fat smelly cock.
 
2012-04-17 01:38:30 PM  

what_now: Unless you own a business that is NOT a sole proprietorship, your taxes are not complicated.

H&R Block wants you to THINK your taxes are complicated so you'll pay then $75 to hand you a 14 page file that could have been taken care of with a one page 1040EZ, but most people are smart enough to do their own taxes.


Where is that crack you are smoking? I want some.

My wife has a small business (a sole proprietership). She makes money at it, but she could make more doing retail. The schedule C is what, 6 pages long? Have any assets that need to be depreciated? Want to do straight line? Nope, that's too simple. Plus you have self employment tax. Then you have to file the full 1040. Got kids in daycare? Then you get to fill out the child tax credit form, which was written by Vogons in their spare time. Have a high deductible health care plan? Oooh, you get to fill out form 8889. The instructions for that were written by a witch doctor smoking peyote.

Our tax forms were 18 pages. I did them myself with tax software.
 
2012-04-17 01:39:50 PM  

theorellior: Shut up, Grover Norquist, you fat smelly cock.


Agreed, and all the people who signed onto his no new taxes pledge and then renamed them as fees should shut the fark up too. Dicks.
 
2012-04-17 01:42:20 PM  
The real trick to taxes is knowing exactly how much all your deductions are really worth, and which deductions you can realistically get away with. People almost always grossly overestimate those, and it's what ends up getting them in trouble with the IRS.
 
2012-04-17 01:42:26 PM  
Between Federal income, State income, and various payroll taxes I paid only a little more than $35k this year. Worth every penny and then some if you ask me.

/I am the 3%
//actually paid Uncle Sam about $6k yesterday
 
2012-04-17 01:42:32 PM  

tforbes: between ADP, Turbo Tax, my college education and generally not being retarded, taxes take no more than an hour to get a non-audited maximum return for both state and federal.


Came in here to say this.

Using Turbo Tax is ridiculously easy and it pulls in your information from last year's return.
 
2012-04-17 01:43:00 PM  

illegal.tender: "... all enemies, foreign and domestic."

Norquist falls into the latter category.


He's more of a pathetic insect than actual enemy.
 
2012-04-17 01:43:46 PM  
I believe it was of Grover Norquist that someone said that he "should be starved until he can be drowned in a bathtub."

Generally I disagree with the sentiment, but this is a very particular case here.
 
2012-04-17 01:47:06 PM  

Imperialism: funk_soul_bubby: Why would you do that? I don't get it...

To get two singles back instead of a single, three quarters, a dime, and three pennies.


I was kinda kiddin'... Ha.
 
2012-04-17 01:48:56 PM  

whidbey: illegal.tender: "... all enemies, foreign and domestic."

Norquist falls into the latter category.

He's more of a pathetic insect than actual enemy.


Seriously?

He is responsible for making half of the US legislators violate their oath of office by swearing to never raise taxes EVER.
 
2012-04-17 01:51:36 PM  

Crabs_Can_Polevault: I believe it was of Grover Norquist that someone said that he "should be starved until he can be drowned in a bathtub."

Generally I disagree with the sentiment, but this is a very particular case here.


Why starve him first? It seems like busywork. Nobody specified the size of the bathtub.
 
2012-04-17 01:54:26 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: what_now: Unless you own a business that is NOT a sole proprietorship, your taxes are not complicated.

H&R Block wants you to THINK your taxes are complicated so you'll pay then $75 to hand you a 14 page file that could have been taken care of with a one page 1040EZ
, but most people are smart enough to do their own taxes.

Where is that crack you are smoking? I want some.

My wife has a small business (a sole proprietership). She makes money at it, but she could make more doing retail. The schedule C is what, 6 pages long? Have any assets that need to be depreciated? Want to do straight line? Nope, that's too simple. Plus you have self employment tax. Then you have to file the full 1040. Got kids in daycare? Then you get to fill out the child tax credit form, which was written by Vogons in their spare time. Have a high deductible health care plan? Oooh, you get to fill out form 8889. The instructions for that were written by a witch doctor smoking peyote.

Our tax forms were 18 pages
. I did them myself with tax software.


Look, we agree.
 
2012-04-17 01:55:22 PM  

madgonad: whidbey: illegal.tender: "... all enemies, foreign and domestic."

Norquist falls into the latter category.

He's more of a pathetic insect than actual enemy.

Seriously?

He is responsible for making half of the US legislators violate their oath of office by swearing to never raise taxes EVER.


So, entrapment?
 
2012-04-17 01:55:32 PM  

Crabs_Can_Polevault: I believe it was of Grover Norquist that someone said that he "should be starved until he can be drowned in a bathtub."

Generally I disagree with the sentiment, but this is a very particular case here.


Nordquist said that about the US Government, but I'd pay to see it happen to him.
 
2012-04-17 01:58:58 PM  

Gosling: Why starve him first? It seems like busywork. Nobody specified the size of the bathtub.


Can an Olympic swimming pool be considered a "bathtub"? 'Cause for Grover, you'll need the space.
 
2012-04-17 02:00:23 PM  

T-Servo: Considering the panic some people have when I hand them $10.12 on an $8.12 bill, perhaps taxes really are difficult for some.


The other day I gave $13.75 on an $8.67 bill. The cashier had to call a manager after about 3 minutes of confusion. The manager then thought I was trying to pull a fast one, just took the $10 bill and gave me $1.33 change. I then set my change, along with the $3.75 on the counter in front of him, removed the nickel and three pennies, slid the rest towards him, and asked for a $5, which confused him once again. It was sad. (Sad Story Bro)

I feel so bad for kids these days. This country has sold their future out every chance we've had for the past 3 decades.
 
2012-04-17 02:00:54 PM  

NINDroog: Is it just me, or does Grover Norquist have a ridiculous amount of influence on American policy? And I mean way beyond what is either healthy or sane. Especially since his policy is no new taxes under any circumstances ever.

/Oh, and yes, I am aware that he also supports cutting government spending to balance the budget, when he actively campaigns on THAT part, and not just the "no new taxes" than we can talk.


Norquist is a real-life version of George Soros.
 
2012-04-17 02:01:01 PM  

Gosling: Crabs_Can_Polevault: I believe it was of Grover Norquist that someone said that he "should be starved until he can be drowned in a bathtub."

Generally I disagree with the sentiment, but this is a very particular case here.

Why starve him first? It seems like busywork. Nobody specified the size of the bathtub.


Why don't we just drop the tub on him? That would probably do the job regardless of his size.
 
2012-04-17 02:02:27 PM  
Taxes are only complicated if you're retarded.
 
2012-04-17 02:07:16 PM  

regindyn: Taxes are only complicated if you're your retarded.

 
2012-04-17 02:07:25 PM  

TheGreatGazoo: My wife has a small business (a sole proprietership). She makes money at it, but she could make more doing retail. The schedule C is what, 6 pages long? Have any assets that need to be depreciated? Want to do straight line? Nope, that's too simple. Plus you have self employment tax. Then you have to file the full 1040. Got kids in daycare? Then you get to fill out the child tax credit form, which was written by Vogons in their spare time. Have a high deductible health care plan? Oooh, you get to fill out form 8889. The instructions for that were written by a witch doctor smoking peyote.


Boo hoo.

Sorry, but running a business is complicated. Don't like it? Get a real job. I remember hearing someone bemoan once they had to pay $60,000 in taxes. Talk about first world problems. At the time, I didn't even make $60,000. Many don't. Be fortunate you have income opportunities and accept the inherent responsibility.

And Kids in daycare? Guess what? The same groups that want to "reform" taxes want to take entitlements like that away. So take the bad with the good and spend 20 minutes a year filling out a form.

People in this country want everything for nothing. The same people whining about no new taxes ever are the same ones screaming "cut and run" and "traitor" when we move to curtail painfully expensive military operations. Actually, since January 20, 2009, they've screamed that about everything.
 
2012-04-17 02:09:14 PM  

regindyn: Taxes are only complicated if you're retarded.


Do you mean retarded filling them out, or retarded legislating them?
 
2012-04-17 02:09:25 PM  

Bungles: regindyn: Taxes are only complicated if you're your retarded.


I see what you did there.
 
2012-04-17 02:10:41 PM  

Crabs_Can_Polevault: I believe it was of Grover Norquist that someone said that he "should be starved until he can be drowned in a bathtub."


i151.photobucket.com
"It's not big enough to drown a mouse."
 
2012-04-17 02:10:50 PM  

Bungles: Why are taxes for complex in the US? In most Western countries, you don't even fill out a tax return for personal taxation unless you're in the top tax bracket, submit as a sole proprietor, or have had some sort of complex share transaction.

80% of the population will have never even seen a tax return in the UK for example, never-mind have an accountant.


Tax preparation is a billion-dollar industry, so yeah.
 
2012-04-17 02:13:19 PM  

what_now: Unless you own a business that is NOT a sole proprietorship, your taxes are not complicated.

H&R Block wants you to THINK your taxes are complicated so you'll pay then $75 to hand you a 14 page file that could have been taken care of with a one page 1040EZ, but most people are smart enough to do their own taxes.


You got that right. H&R Block wanted to charge me $575 for my taxes because some of my income was 1099ed. I found an accountant through a friend who did it for $150.

And Grover Norquist, as must be said every time he comes up, needs to be punched in the dick until he passes out. Then kicked in the head.
 
2012-04-17 02:16:24 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: T-Servo: Considering the panic some people have when I hand them $10.12 on an $8.12 bill, perhaps taxes really are difficult for some.

The other day I gave $13.75 on an $8.67 bill. The cashier had to call a manager after about 3 minutes of confusion. The manager then thought I was trying to pull a fast one, just took the $10 bill and gave me $1.33 change. I then set my change, along with the $3.75 on the counter in front of him, removed the nickel and three pennies, slid the rest towards him, and asked for a $5, which confused him once again. It was sad. (Sad Story Bro)

I feel so bad for kids these days. This country has sold their future out every chance we've had for the past 3 decades.


What I really don't get is that there's a fancy machine that does all of the hard work - the adding and subtracting of numbers - for the cashier, and people still can't figure it out.

Customer hands you $10.12? Enter "10.12" in the freaking machine!
 
2012-04-17 02:19:26 PM  
My taxes are pretty easy as it is. The only semi-complicated part was understanding the poor writing in the book for determining my EIC. Other than that, it's just a time and boredom issue.
 
2012-04-17 02:21:22 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: T-Servo: Considering the panic some people have when I hand them $10.12 on an $8.12 bill, perhaps taxes really are difficult for some.

The other day I gave $13.75 on an $8.67 bill. The cashier had to call a manager after about 3 minutes of confusion. The manager then thought I was trying to pull a fast one, just took the $10 bill and gave me $1.33 change. I then set my change, along with the $3.75 on the counter in front of him, removed the nickel and three pennies, slid the rest towards him, and asked for a $5, which confused him once again. It was sad. (Sad Story Bro)

I feel so bad for kids these days. This country has sold their future out every chance we've had for the past 3 decades.


I worked at a gas station for a bit after college (things did not pan out like I'd hoped). I realize I minored in math, but this is basic stuff you learn in elementary, possibly middle school. For your situation, either they'd pull a calculator out or ask me. Then they'd think we're trying to cheat them or I'm trying to play a trick on them when I tell them 'just give him a $5 and 8 cents.' We had 1 woman that could not figure out how to count her drawer down to $200 at the end of her shift. 2 weeks of her taking over an hour each day before they finally fired her. The math test with the application is a good idea...unless you give the same one out to every applicant for 5 years.
 
Displayed 50 of 96 comments


Oldest | « | 1 | 2 | » | Newest | Show all


View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
On Twitter








In Other Media
  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report