verbaltoxin: Rent Party: verbaltoxin: ... the pickups are too hot.

No such thing exists.

If you play metal, I suppose not. But when you want to have more clarity and definition, lower output is typically better.

Every pickup should be plugged into a tube driven amp, so that those hot pups can overdrive the valves just so when you're quiet, and like holy hell when you're not.

Distortion is what makes electric guitars interesting. Otherwise, why bother?

Rent Party: verbaltoxin: Rent Party: verbaltoxin: ... the pickups are too hot.

No such thing exists.

If you play metal, I suppose not. But when you want to have more clarity and definition, lower output is typically better.

Every pickup should be plugged into a tube driven amp, so that those hot pups can overdrive the valves just so when you're quiet, and like holy hell when you're not.

Distortion is what makes electric guitars interesting. Otherwise, why bother?

I only play sh*tty solid-state amps (Jay Turser Classic 25 - purchased for $85 on eBay). Sh*tty guitars thru sh*tty amps = pure evil...

vudukungfu: DreamyAltarBoy: I'm always on the lookout for broken or just plain bad guitars. If it can be made playable it should be played.

Pieces parts.
Love my DIck Dale autographed Kay guitar.

I've got a Kay student el cheapo and a P90 pickup that I'm gonna throw together.

Goonie_Goo_Goo:

I only play sh*tty solid-state amps (Jay Turser Classic 25 - purchased for $85 on eBay). Sh*tty guitars thru sh*tty amps = pure evil...

Mosfet solid state, or class A(6L6), all the way.

Oh what the hell... in true "look at me" Fark tradition, here's a pic of my current live gear:


Right to left:
1. my beat-to-hell 3-string slide cigar box guitar. Been playing it for 16 years
2. baritone cigar box guitar (tuned E E' B). Sounds like Morphine
3. Three string electric cigar box guitar loaded with two P90's. Usually tuned GDG (open G)
4. Daddy Mojo 4-string cigar box guitar. Many different tunings.
5. Daddy Mojo 6-string cigar box guitar (with the low E string removed). tuned to open G like Keef.
6. 3-string electric cigar box guitar (fretted) with dobro cone built into the box. Tuned open C - C C' G
7. My grandfather's 1933 tenor banjo. Traditional tuning
8. 3-string fretted cigar box guitar with jazz mini humbucker pickup. Tuned open G (GDG)

My old Jay Turser amp is behind the guitars. Just bought a new one after abusing the other for a few years in the pubs.

My music is here: Link (clickity pops)

verbaltoxin: mitchcumpstein: Very true. I've never really understood why Gibson LP's usually sell used for only about 25% off the list price.

I only bought mine because it was used and I had the extra money. So a friend suggested, "Why not buy a Les Paul?" I did and I've been happy with it, but it's heavy and muddy, and the pickups are too hot. I'd rather have something lighter and more mellow, like a Strat with a humbucker in it.

Lighter, I can't suggest anything. LPs are heavy. Don't like the pickups? Change 'em out. Duncan Antiquitys sounded pretty good to me.

DreamyAltarBoy: Goonie_Goo_Goo:

I only play sh*tty solid-state amps (Jay Turser Classic 25 - purchased for $85 on eBay). Sh*tty guitars thru sh*tty amps = pure evil...

Mosfet solid state, or class A(6L6), all the way.

Fark solid state. Goddamn newfangled transistors!

/ My lawn.... Off!
// Or at least on standby...

Rent Party: DreamyAltarBoy: Goonie_Goo_Goo:

I only play sh*tty solid-state amps (Jay Turser Classic 25 - purchased for $85 on eBay). Sh*tty guitars thru sh*tty amps = pure evil...

Mosfet solid state, or class A(6L6), all the way.

Fark solid state. Goddamn newfangled transistors!

/ My lawn.... Off!
// Or at least on standby...

Okay then, 6L6? 12ax7? Are you a rectifier type? I'll run whatever is available, but I prefer the low wattage class A valves, max the volume at the amp and use the volume on the guitar to control where it begins to break.

Rent Party: DreamyAltarBoy: Goonie_Goo_Goo:

I only play sh*tty solid-state amps (Jay Turser Classic 25 - purchased for $85 on eBay). Sh*tty guitars thru sh*tty amps = pure evil...

Mosfet solid state, or class A(6L6), all the way.

Fark solid state. Goddamn newfangled transistors!

/ My lawn.... Off!
// Or at least on standby...

No such thing as too much feedback? No such thing as too much output? Love distortion? Fan of Black Flag, or Pantera perhaps? Solid state guitar amps.

DreamyAltarBoy: If it doesn't play well, you could always experiment with fretless.

Nice idea...would take quite a bit of re-working at this stage though...we'll see...


Goonie_Goo_Goo: Steward MacDonald once had an article on how to convert a cheapo classical guitar into a dobro. Google prolly has it somewhere...

/loving this thread

Might have to look into that when I get a minute...



DreamyAltarBoy: I'm always on the lookout for broken or just plain bad guitars. If it can be made playable it should be played

There was another steel string in the dumpster with it...all mahogany...fretboard was lifting up at the nut, but it's fixable. Gave it away to my student-teacher to fix up since his guitar got stolen last year, and if you know about student-teaching, it's basically a year with zero income. Should end up pretty nice.

Plus, I have a buddy I teach with that has a guitarron laying around somewhere that he says he'll give me. Now THAT would be a challenge to fix up (but farkin' awesome).

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Rondo

I don't know if I would call them Fender quality, though my experience with them is limited. Definitely a great value. My two main instruments are a '92 Carvin LB75 (Koa/ebony) and an SX 4 String PJ from Rondo. After a fret leveling and set up, the SX plays beautifully and I split my playing time about 50/50 between it and the Carvin.

As a guy who currently has several Gibsons & Fenders, (the real ones) and has also owned USA Gretsch guitars in the past, I can tell you some of those cheap Chinese guitars are surprisingly good. Many just need a little tweaking. I have one of these:

$169 Tele copy from guitarfetish.com

(Guitarfetish sells some great & dirt-cheap pickups too, btw.)

After replacing the tone control with one of the proper value, replacing the tuners with Fender USA tuners, replacing the string tree & saddles with ones from Graph-Tech, and tweaking it up a little, it's plays & sounds like a USA Fender Tele for about 1/3rd of the cost after upgrades.

I also really dig the orange.

DreamyAltarBoy: Rent Party: DreamyAltarBoy: Goonie_Goo_Goo:

I only play sh*tty solid-state amps (Jay Turser Classic 25 - purchased for $85 on eBay). Sh*tty guitars thru sh*tty amps = pure evil...

Mosfet solid state, or class A(6L6), all the way.

Fark solid state. Goddamn newfangled transistors!

/ My lawn.... Off!
// Or at least on standby...

Okay then, 6L6? 12ax7? Are you a rectifier type? I'll run whatever is available, but I prefer the low wattage class A valves, max the volume at the amp and use the volume on the guitar to control where it begins to break.

The 12x7s are pretty ubiquitous. Damn near every amp I've ever owned has them in the pre-amp. I've got a little 5W Magnatone amp built in 1947 that has those things in it. My latest sweetheart (Kustom Defender 50) also has them in the pre-amp circuit with EL34s driving the cone. I can overdrive the pre-amp with the guitar, as you suggest. I can also turn the master volume down and overdrive the output tubes, which gives me nice distortion without having to piss off the neighbors too much. It's a cool little configuration.

I'm not a huge connoisseur of tubes because the manufacturing base is far too broad for a given tube type (Russian? Chinese? Tiwanese?) to get any real consistency other than the specified electrical characteristics. I'm sure there are people that can discern between a Russian 12u7 and a 12x7, or the Chinese versions of the same tubes, but I'm not one of them. But I'll take even a crappy tube over the very finest transistor every time. Tubes simply distort differently, and I can hear that. As an example I've got a little 12W Kustom with a 12x7 driven pre-amp and solid state output, and I love the tone of that amp. But it only distorts well when you overdrive the input, where the tube is. If you try to distort the output, or just use the amps "dirty" channel, it sounds like plain new-fashioned solid state fuzz. I have a Zoom bass effects board with the same tube pre-amp, and it has the same characteristics. Drive the crap out of the input (thank you, gnarly Stingray active pickups!) and it sounds awesome.

Plus, on a watt for watt basis, you'll get more power out of a tube than a transistor, and I'm a firm believer that volume is a perfectly good substitute for talent.

Rent Party: verbaltoxin: Rent Party: verbaltoxin: ... the pickups are too hot.

No such thing exists.

If you play metal, I suppose not. But when you want to have more clarity and definition, lower output is typically better.

Every pickup should be plugged into a tube driven amp, so that those hot pups can overdrive the valves just so when you're quiet, and like holy hell when you're not.

Distortion is what makes electric guitars interesting. Otherwise, why bother?

Most of the guitar amps around these days that have a crapload of potential gain on tap sound better with lower output pups... but that's just my .02 on it. The hotter the pup, the generally more compressed / sterile the sound gets.

DecemberNitro: Which model? I've got a 5 string BTB that I've had for years and it's amazing. Guess it's just the luck of the draw.

I have no idea what model it is, admittedly I got it for very little dough. It just has no real authority to the sound, like a bass should... and playing a different bass through the same exact signal chain makes a world of difference, so it's not just my (admittedly bad) fingers :)

I keep telling myself I need to acquire a better one, but the problem is that I'm not really a bass player per se. Outside of putting tracks down on my own music, I never actually play the thing, so there's always some other guitar / drum toy enticing me :)

/like the Strymon Timeline that is en route as I type this, wheeee.

kab: Rent Party: verbaltoxin: Rent Party: verbaltoxin: ... the pickups are too hot.

No such thing exists.

If you play metal, I suppose not. But when you want to have more clarity and definition, lower output is typically better.

Every pickup should be plugged into a tube driven amp, so that those hot pups can overdrive the valves just so when you're quiet, and like holy hell when you're not.

Distortion is what makes electric guitars interesting. Otherwise, why bother?

Most of the guitar amps around these days that have a crapload of potential gain on tap sound better with lower output pups... but that's just my .02 on it. The hotter the pup, the generally more compressed / sterile the sound gets.

I have some fairly hot ceramic pickups that came with my LP Classic. The sound is decidedly not sterile, at least to my ears, when played through my Mesa f50. It has a bit of a "gritty" quality, but if you play right, it's a very nice blues tone, actually. You don't want to crank the gain too much, though, as things get too loose, and single notes drown under white noise.

You know why I heart guitar porn threads? Because no one agrees on a damn thing, and yet it is still one big group hug.

No where else on Fark can that happen.

1) subby is the King of the Cigar Box Guitar. Show some respeck up in this biatch!
2) I, too, miss the Music tab
3) here's my Fritocaster, made from a lunchbox I had as a kid. I play about 1/3-1/2 of my set with this piece o'shiat. Love it to death.



playing Love in Vain at a live gig

Here's my obligatory Richard Johnston link in this here CBG thread...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmB1VVAxyUI

Rent Party: DreamyAltarBoy: Rent Party: DreamyAltarBoy: Goonie_Goo_Goo:

But I'll take even a crappy tube over the very finest transistor every time. Tubes simply distort differently, and I can hear that. As an example I've got a little 12W Kustom with a 12x7 driven pre-amp and solid state output, and I love the tone of that amp. But it only distorts well when you overdrive the input, where the tube is. If you try to distort the output, or just use the amps "dirty" channel, it sounds like plain new-fashioned solid state fuzz. I have a Zoom bass effects board with the same tube pre ...

The only approximation of a tube in solid state form (non digital) is the mosfet op-amp circuit and it is only loud enough to play in your bedroom. I'll agree the tube in/solid state out is the way to go these days but that might be because I can't quite make digital amps sound right(or wrong as the case may be). I've always been a fan of crappy old tube amps and I mean crappy ones, but then I am a little strange.

I like playing guitar; but I had no idea how cliquey guitar players were. They are pretty close to bicyclists IMHO.

I bought Rock Band 3 and got the fancy guitar that goes along with it. Started working my way through the lessons and getting better. Learned some songs even. It's been well over a year of regular practice and I'm not bad; I'm better than a lot of my friends who 'own' a guitar and can play a few intros (kinda-sorta-ish). But when I tell them I own a RB3 guitar - they refuse to believe I can play the guitar.

Oh, I'm sorry...I learned to play in a fun and interactive environment while you paid for lessons or spent months alone in your room crying. It's the same notes, the same chords, same everything. But they won't believe it.

"No Fark_Guy_Rob, I meant *REAL* GUITAR! - it doesn't count if it's with a game!!!!"

Some who have heard me play will acknowledge that I can play the guitar; but that I 'cheated' because it was easy and fun to learn.

/Haters Gonna Hate

Fark_Guy_Rob: same everything

Interesting. The game takes into account mis-fretting, note bends, picking dynamics, muting, whether that barre chord is being held cleanly, harmonics, etc?

kab: Fark_Guy_Rob: same everything

Interesting. The game takes into account mis-fretting, note bends, picking dynamics, muting, whether that barre chord is being held cleanly, harmonics, etc?

Does a 'real guitar' consider *any* of those things? Absolutely not. It's up to the player and those around him to decide those things.

The video game does register whether or not the chords are being held cleanly, whether or not the correct frets are being played and whether or not you managed to pick the correct string at the correct time. It also shows you (but does not verify) which fingers should play which string.

A real guitar does none of those things.

Any methods you could use with a 'real guitar' to verify that you are doing this correctly (like recording it, or getting someone else to listen) can all be done with the video game guitar.

In all fairness and honesty, I will say that string bends are awkward because of the modified game neck. Still do-able, but it is different and more awkward.

Fark_Guy_Rob: k
In all fairness and honesty, I will say that string bends are awkward because of the modified game neck. Still do-able, but it is different and more awkward.

I have no beef with games. I play Rock Band because it's fun as hell (its often our post-rehearsal entertainment). I wasn't aware that the v3 game came with a new bit of kit, but it looks pretty interesting. For the record, you should feel free to tell people to fark off for knocking your entertainment.

That being said, there are lots of things you won't be able to do on the game controller. Guitar is a whole lot more than just ensuring you put your fingers in the "right" place at the right time. You might look into picking up a cheap Strat somewhere, and equipping it with a Roland MIDI pickup that would allow you to plug it into a synth and create all kinds of crazy tones, and it will be sensitive to all the subtle things that the X-Box won't be.

Rent Party: Fark_Guy_Rob: k
In all fairness and honesty, I will say that string bends are awkward because of the modified game neck. Still do-able, but it is different and more awkward.

I have no beef with games. I play Rock Band because it's fun as hell (its often our post-rehearsal entertainment). I wasn't aware that the v3 game came with a new bit of kit, but it looks pretty interesting. For the record, you should feel free to tell people to fark off for knocking your entertainment.

That being said, there are lots of things you won't be able to do on the game controller. Guitar is a whole lot more than just ensuring you put your fingers in the "right" place at the right time. You might look into picking up a cheap Strat somewhere, and equipping it with a Roland MIDI pickup that would allow you to plug it into a synth and create all kinds of crazy tones, and it will be sensitive to all the subtle things that the X-Box won't be.

So basically....ditch the 'game' guitar and get a 'real' guitar that is no different but doesn't plug into a game so that I can appreciate all the cool stuff? :) No offence, but that's pretty much the mindset ever guitar player seems to have towards my guitar.

If you saw some high-school d-bag playing his acoustic guitar would you tell him to go out and buy a cheap Strat and a Midi pickup? Or would you be like, 'Huh, cool; you like guitar? I play guitar too'. Maybe you're a huge fan of midi pickups; but most guitar players I know immediately jump to the 'Why don't you buy a REAL guitar!' discussion. While refusing to believe that I already have a real guitar.

For any definition of guitar I've ever heard; my guitar is real. Except that it *also* connects to a gaming console.

The advent of CNC machines and other computer-driven manufacturing techniques has driven most low-cost instrument manufacturing to China, but I have to say: you can get a really great Asian-made guitar now for about $500. In the old days, a crappy Japanese or Korean axe would run you that much and would be a total piece of crap: bad intonation, lousy frets, plywood construction, paint that rubbed off on your fingers...and it might hold together for as long as a year before it folded up like a cardboard box. Most modern Chinese made guitars in the $300-$1000 range are fine instruments -- you do get a bad one now and then, but the same is true of Martin, Gibson, and Fender. (I had a US-made Strat of recent vintage that was a disaster, so domestic manufacture is no guarantee of quality.)

Is there a difference between a Gibson ES-335 and an Epiphone ES-335? Yes. Is that difference worth two grand? Not to this guitar player. In fact, getting my Epiphone axe stolen at a gig would suck but wouldn't devastate me; losing a Gibby I'd just dropped three large on would.

It's a great age to be a young musician, because you have access to quality instruments, amps, and other gear that oldsters could only dream about.

Fark_Guy_Rob: Rent Party: Fark_Guy_Rob: k
In all fairness and honesty, I will say that string bends are awkward because of the modified game neck. Still do-able, but it is different and more awkward.

I have no beef with games. I play Rock Band because it's fun as hell (its often our post-rehearsal entertainment). I wasn't aware that the v3 game came with a new bit of kit, but it looks pretty interesting. For the record, you should feel free to tell people to fark off for knocking your entertainment.

That being said, there are lots of things you won't be able to do on the game controller. Guitar is a whole lot more than just ensuring you put your fingers in the "right" place at the right time. You might look into picking up a cheap Strat somewhere, and equipping it with a Roland MIDI pickup that would allow you to plug it into a synth and create all kinds of crazy tones, and it will be sensitive to all the subtle things that the X-Box won't be.

So basically....ditch the 'game' guitar and get a 'real' guitar that is no different but doesn't plug into a game so that I can appreciate all the cool stuff? :) No offence, but that's pretty much the mindset ever guitar player seems to have towards my guitar.


What I'm saying to you is you don't have a real guitar. You have a pretty nice game simulation, but it's not the same thing. The ability to operate even the most sophisticated flight simulator in the world doesn't mean you're flying an airplane. But, since you seem to like the digital aspect of things, there are options available like MIDI pickups and synth tools that can scratch that itch for you as well as introduce you to the things you don't know. And you can plug that (or any guitar, for that matter) into Rocksmith, and still use it to play games.


If you saw some high-school d-bag playing his acoustic guitar would you tell him to go out and buy a cheap Strat and a Midi pickup? Or would you be like, 'Huh, cool; you like guitar? I play guitar too'. Maybe you're a huge fan of midi pickups; but most guitar players I know immediately jump to the 'Why don't you buy a REAL guitar!' discussion. While refusing to believe that I already have a real guitar.

The difference between you and the high school douche bag is that the douche bag does have a real guitar, and you don't. You might want to consider the reason so many guitar players are telling you that is because they know what they're talking about.


For any definition of guitar I've ever heard; my guitar is real. Except that it *also* connects to a gaming console.

Well, you know, except for the definition that all those folks with guitars actually use. You know, where your left hand actually touches strings.

Or, you could continue to be a defensive dick about it.

bluesbox:
Is there a difference between a Gibson ES-335 and an Epiphone ES-335?

The Epiphone Dot (the ES-335) is the greatest value out there in guitar. Fit and finish isn't as polished as the Gibby, but for $200, it plays like a dream.

I would just like to say that if one is making a cigar box guitar and would like a real bottleneck slide, it is possible to cut the neck off a bottle by soaking a piece of cotton string in acetone, lighting it, spinning the bottle while sideways so the fire goes all around and then removing neck from bottle with a 'stretch and twist' action. This usually makes it come out smooth enough to not cut your finger at the bottom, but you can grind it with a Dremel if you want to make really sure. Sam Adams bottles work really well, but for a little kid who has trouble holding onto their slide, you might have to choke down some Miller to get them a rifled bottleneck.

You can also get two incredibly nice, ready-shaped and usually hardwood necks by cutting a table leg off a piece of destroyed furniture down the middle. I didn't even need to layer on a board, just sanded like hell and set the frets into the mahogany of a leg that was all by itself in the local dump's burn pile. I did one as a standard four-string CBG and the other I double-strung to make a cigar-box mandolin. They sound great together and made my twin cousins' birthday a very happy one. (They're eleven and really into Irish rock and bluegrass.)

It really makes sense that CBGs have come back into such fashion. Even the cheapy Asian-import normal guitars are so expensive, so big and so cookie-cutter ordinary, a CBG you make yourself for $15 and scrounge, then fit in an overhead storage bin on a plane or in even the cheapest apartments just seems like a more creative and stylish choice.

Late to the party here, but I've been building cigar box instruments for years. Here's a recent one:



I've used cigar boxes, lunch boxes, cookie tins, hand drums, pretty much anything that looks cool that I can build a neck for. Over 125 sold. Saturate that market.

Rock on fellow builders.

Rent Party: bluesbox:
Is there a difference between a Gibson ES-335 and an Epiphone ES-335?

The Epiphone Dot (the ES-335) is the greatest value out there in guitar. Fit and finish isn't as polished as the Gibby, but for $200, it plays like a dream.

Yep. I picked one up a couple of years ago and it's been a great axe. One thing, though: the stock tuners aren't great. Replace them with Grovers and you'll be a lot happier. You can do it on the cheap with tuners from Stew-Mac if you're comfortable doing your own work, but it shouldn't cost you too much to have it done in a shop.

At 3300 clicks, this is, by far the most successful Fark submission I've ever made. Whoodathunk you had to be a snarky sh*tf*ck with headlines to get this kind of reaction. Maybe my study in The_English_Major's submission techniques is paying off.

Fark_Guy_Rob: I like playing guitar; but I had no idea how cliquey guitar players were. They are pretty close to bicyclists IMHO.

I bought Rock Band 3 and got the fancy guitar that goes along with it. Started working my way through the lessons and getting better. Learned some songs even. It's been well over a year of regular practice and I'm not bad; I'm better than a lot of my friends who 'own' a guitar and can play a few intros (kinda-sorta-ish). But when I tell them I own a RB3 guitar - they refuse to believe I can play the guitar.

Oh, I'm sorry...I learned to play in a fun and interactive environment while you paid for lessons or spent months alone in your room crying. It's the same notes, the same chords, same everything. But they won't believe it.

"No Fark_Guy_Rob, I meant *REAL* GUITAR! - it doesn't count if it's with a game!!!!"

Some who have heard me play will acknowledge that I can play the guitar; but that I 'cheated' because it was easy and fun to learn.

/Haters Gonna Hate

My question is whether your game guitar is the Strat (which has strings, and is in fact a real guitar), or the Mustang (which has an boatload of buttons and is at best a MIDI guitar synth). If it is the Strat, then your anger is well-placed. It can still plug in to amps and does the job. If, on the other hand, it is the Mustang, then your complaints about how you have a real guitar are as unrealistic as the "band" you play for in-game.

Telephone Sanitizer Second Class

That is really nice work.

thread-winding-down Whiners

Unfortunately, like many interesting Fark threads, this one has degenerated, in the late posts, into a slap fight between posters biatching about something only tangentially related to the thread topic. Boo.

Makers

Keep on *making*. Whether it's music, instruments, little doo-dads... things that you can sell and make a living from or just that make you happy for having *made* them.

There seem to be about 11 types of people in the world: Makers, Consumers and Whiners.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Rondo music (new window)

Fender-quality guitars and basses made with real woods, with high quality control and great customer service. Oh yeah, and they're cheap as hell.

Two friends/bandmembers of mine have purchase 4 different guitars/basses from them and are very happy. I've played them and the are excellent quality for the price.

WeenieGuy: Fark_Guy_Rob: I like playing guitar; but I had no idea how cliquey guitar players were. They are pretty close to bicyclists IMHO.

I bought Rock Band 3 and got the fancy guitar that goes along with it. Started working my way through the lessons and getting better. Learned some songs even. It's been well over a year of regular practice and I'm not bad; I'm better than a lot of my friends who 'own' a guitar and can play a few intros (kinda-sorta-ish). But when I tell them I own a RB3 guitar - they refuse to believe I can play the guitar.

Oh, I'm sorry...I learned to play in a fun and interactive environment while you paid for lessons or spent months alone in your room crying. It's the same notes, the same chords, same everything. But they won't believe it.

"No Fark_Guy_Rob, I meant *REAL* GUITAR! - it doesn't count if it's with a game!!!!"

Some who have heard me play will acknowledge that I can play the guitar; but that I 'cheated' because it was easy and fun to learn.

/Haters Gonna Hate

My question is whether your game guitar is the Strat (which has strings, and is in fact a real guitar), or the Mustang (which has an boatload of buttons and is at best a MIDI guitar synth). If it is the Strat, then your anger is well-placed. It can still plug in to amps and does the job. If, on the other hand, it is the Mustang, then your complaints about how you have a real guitar are as unrealistic as the "band" you play for in-game.

Yeah - it's the strat (hence my comments about the string bending).

I get that 90% of online communication is trolling of one form or another; but in real life it's gotten really annoying. I've gotten to the point where I just flat out lie about what guitar I have.