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2012-04-17 12:44:05 AM  
OK, small business owners are now The Rich, according to Mildot?

Small business owners are billionaires now?

Oh, and how about this one:

Increasing numbers of students are turning to lap dancing and prostitution to pay their way through university. Amazingly, some people have a problem with this (new window)

Mildot 2011-12-14 10:51:13 AM
Put me in the "I have no problem with this" category

Mildot 2011-12-14 11:05:06 AM
Marketing 101 -- Sex Sells


Is that what you mean by "Educate yourself, make smart choices in life, work hard.
And you can join the ranks of the rich"
?
 
2012-04-17 01:00:49 AM  

LordJiro: czei: Maybe my memory is faulty, but wasn't the GOP saying "up or down VOTE" at every opportunity when the Democrats held a majority?

What they REALLY meant was 'Give us our way no matter HOW many seats we have!'


Yep, that's it.

It's like what I've heard about Michigan lately. The state constitution says that any new law doesn't take effect until 3 months after the end of the year, unless expidited by a two-thirds vote. The Republicans don't quite have a two thirds majority, but they've been expiditing everything anyway. They just don't bother counting the votes.
 
2012-04-17 01:18:36 AM  
AdolfOliverPanties

Today's GOP is the greatest threat the United States has ever faced.

The only saving grace of this is that hopefully, they will be further and further marginalized as more people realize what they are: a party of mad extremists bent on reshaping America into a shiathole where only the wealthy have a farking chance of a decent life.


You'd had better thank a wealthy person for your job. Poor people don't create jobs. The wealthy create jobs, and businesses, etc. The greatest threat to the USA is Obama and his policies. He could have had this economy turned completely around his first year but instead he's made it worse, as he intended. You Obamanuts really are brainwashed.
 
2012-04-17 01:31:31 AM  

Sabyen91: WhyteRaven74: Mildot: It amazes me that even when Obama says it a gimmick that's not intended to really do anything to bring down the budget deficit,

So raising revenues isn't helpful to reducing the deficit?

Laffer Curve!

/If you haven't noticed I am going to yell bebunked right-wing talking points at you. :)


I love hearing right-wingers talk about the laffer curve. Especially when it's accompanied by the masterpiece below. The amount of fail that was packed into that is staggering, yet people eat it right up.

economistsview.typepad.com
 
2012-04-17 01:32:47 AM  
My fellow Republicans are morons. Even if you disagree with the President on everything else (and, in most case, I would agree with their disagreement) ... this should be enacted. The asinine loop holes offered by our tax code contribute to the disastrous budgetary situation we find ourselves. How can you not be in favor of reducing them when proclaiming to be a "fiscal conservative"?
 
2012-04-17 01:42:49 AM  
LOL. Liberals farking believe that life would be roses and ponies if only they could fark the rich more. farkING HILARIOUS. How about trying to implement a policy that isn't a gimmic that represents a miniscule part of the program. All the rage in this thread proves you liberal farktards aren't really interested in fixing America but are more concerned with farking those you are jealous of. farkING HILARIOUS. Grow up. 3 billion a year. 3 billion. DOES JACK shiat. How about attacking spending which is currently at 24.5% of GDP, 2nd highest in American history. But no, you are more concerned with the tiny little portion of people who make more than you. What farking jealous children you are.
 
2012-04-17 01:47:04 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: I love hearing right-wingers talk about the laffer curve.


Excuse me good Sir, but I have been reliably informed that the Laffer Curve must be presented always as a parabola from a junior-high-school geometry text, with the 'TAXES ARE TOO DAMN HIGH' line scribed down the far-right-hand side thus:

i14.photobucket.com

Furthermore, no remotely reasonable let alone independently-verifiable numbers nor scales tax categories nor time frames must ever be even loosely associated with either axis.
 
2012-04-17 01:56:06 AM  
What hypocrites you Obamanuts be. Look at Obama's super rich friend that is benefitting from all this:

Link (new window)
 
2012-04-17 01:58:56 AM  

BuckTurgidson: Furthermore, no remotely reasonable let alone independently-verifiable numbers nor scales tax categories nor time frames must ever be even loosely associated with either axis.


Then how are we supposed to know which arrow makes the pie higher?
 
2012-04-17 02:02:27 AM  
"Republicans used the battle to accuse Democrats of pushing a political gimmick that would hurt the economy and create no jobs."
"Quit it!," they continued. "Hurting the economy and creating no jobs is OUR schtick!"
 
2012-04-17 02:14:51 AM  

Nadie_AZ: This country, unfortunately, needs another Depression. One that will make it obvious that we need each other to survive and succeed. I don't really see another way in which people so ideologically driven can be broken of their view and return to sanity. They have to fail, and as they fail, they'll pull everything down around them. Once they see the results of their goals, they'll flip and come begging for help from Uncle Sam.

I want to be wrong.


I get the feeling if we go into another Depression, that the only thing that will happen is the eventual destruction of the nation as a whole. Not just economically, but socially. The narrative that controls a lot of people will cause them to have to hit absolute rock bottom in order to come to this realization that maybe--just maybe--their masters really don't give a fark about them at all. Even if their masters share a similar skin color.

The issue here is that Americans are too insular. We love our pioneering myths to the point where they make no sense in our current environment. The Republicans play on this because it's a beautiful thing to think: "I have enough control over my life that I can do whatever I want and will be rewarded justly." But it's a lie: the rich inherit their wealth through controlling political power and the rest of us play the game because we believe economic success is a version of morality. The American citizen is possibly the biggest pussy in the history of this planet because we buy into this idea of morality without thinking it might be a great way to control a bunch of people to be used as cogs by the wealthy. Most of us are so blind to this reality that we are fighting to stop price controls of our OWN farkING HEALTH!! Think about it: we are so brainwashed and defeated that even our culture is dedicated to adjusting this little fact to make it look downright heroic. "I don't have health insurance and my standard of living is going down, but it's my fault because I don't have the right skills (that are always changing) or something isn't right and I'm not pure enough to deserve BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS." That's what us brave Americans really think. We attempt to mask this with various things--bigger houses, the illusions of wealth and such--but it's all shiat. Americans are the biggest biatches in the world because we let slimy assholes like the wealthy and the powerful to let us think we aren't worthy of basic human rights. We can scream all we want about 'Amurrica,' but this is it in a nutshell.

The real problem isn't a bunch of ugly people with too much money treating us like children. The real problem is that we let this happen. The problem is that we are far too trusting of power and mask our inability to think about social positioning like this with our pathetic American myths which are simply not based in reality. We do not live in a nation of cowboys and Indians. We exist in a nation that has been slowly choked by a bunch of authoritarians and the greedy who see us as castrated cattle to live and die in a system designed to make them rich even if we farking die. And we mask this through a culture that hides this sad fact through a sort of martyrdom. The fact it took forty years to realize this is sad. The fact that we don't have Republicans gutted and dying in the streets or are doing anything except biatching about it is sadder.

Then again, America works in fits and bursts. If I told you in 2005 that our next president would be black and get a significant part of the vote, people would have laughed bitterly. Maybe all of our talk is really just our way of coming to the end of whatever the fark this part of American history was, and how we're getting through it. Perhaps a veil has been lifted, and we're finally seeing our situation as it is. Maybe we're on the cusp of something bigger and better than we've had in a very, very long time.

I don't know. But what I do know is that in a land of bare minimums like America, the first step towards any sort of future is a consolidated effort to both 1) take the Republicans out of power and 2) start voting for candidates that express our concise and exact views. They exist, and we need to drop our cynicism and go towards it. We have seen what happens when people stop believing they can make a difference. And right now, the only way through it is the Democratic Party. If the farking Republicans can bash together enough rocks to make their shiat party scared of them, I think we can do the same to much greater effect.
 
2012-04-17 02:54:58 AM  
Perhaps the most important issue that we can take away from this vote: Immensely popular legislation will not pass if the wealthiest people oppose it.

This was a blatant demonstration that our representatives do not represent us.
 
2012-04-17 03:09:36 AM  
Citizen's United: now more than ever our elected officials respond to money more than their constituents.

/it's a darn good thing we don't have any kind of judicial activism on the Supreme Court.
 
2012-04-17 03:38:04 AM  
Yes, because raising taxes when trying to recover the economy is always a brilliant idea. Particularly when it will not reduce the deficit by more than a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent.
 
2012-04-17 03:40:37 AM  

randomjsa: Yes, because raising taxes when trying to recover the economy is always a brilliant idea. Particularly when it will not reduce the deficit by more than a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent.


Math must be hard for you

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2012-04-17 04:08:22 AM  
And Jimmy Buffett is the king of someplace hot.
Just the king, king of someplace hot
Where the music takes control, and you start to lose your soul
And you melt right on the spot
King of someplace hot!

/my occupational hazard is, my occupation's just not around...cannons don't thunder, there's nothing to plunder...
 
2012-04-17 04:10:23 AM  

AdolfOliverPanties: [talkingpointsmemo.com image 640x353]

Look at that farking face. Don't you just want to see him get punched in it?
Kentuckians should be ashamed that they have left this farking turtlehead represent them for so long.
As physically unappealing as he is, he is far more ugly and sinister on the inside.
What a God damned farking waste of human material.


...and which one of them exactly were you referring to?

/"All of them" is an acceptable answer
 
2012-04-17 04:29:52 AM  

tony41454: AdolfOliverPanties

Today's GOP is the greatest threat the United States has ever faced.

The only saving grace of this is that hopefully, they will be further and further marginalized as more people realize what they are: a party of mad extremists bent on reshaping America into a shiathole where only the wealthy have a farking chance of a decent life.


You are correct.

Now let's hear from the other side, Patty Hearst, tell us your story...

You'd had better thank a wealthy person for your job. Poor people don't create jobs. The wealthy create jobs, and businesses, etc. The greatest threat to the USA is Obama and his policies. He could have had this economy turned completely around his first year but instead he's made it worse, as he intended. You Obamanuts really are brainwashed.

Brainwashed? You're cheering on wealth inequality, you probably are not a member of the 1% and you are calling other people brainwashed here?

LOLOLOL!

Yes, don't forget to hold the rich man's coat as he farks your family up the ass and then thank him afterwords.

Yes, I *am* calling you a gutless, brainless weasel, btw.
 
2012-04-17 05:11:31 AM  

Kittypie070: Why does the GOP hate the country they claim to love and protect?


They don't hate the country... they hate that anyone else besides themselves might prosper here.
 
2012-04-17 05:15:47 AM  
As someone who has been living abroad for a few years, I have ask: what the HELL is going on back in the states?!

People ask me about American politics and I have nothing to say...
 
2012-04-17 05:17:23 AM  

SBWorks: As someone who has been living abroad for a few years, I have ask: what the HELL is going on back in the states?!

People ask me about American politics and I have nothing to say...


Democracy was replaced by Plutocracy.

Though I hear in Michigan, Democracy was removed entirely.
 
2012-04-17 05:19:54 AM  

JohnnyC: Kittypie070: Why does the GOP hate the country they claim to love and protect?

They don't hate the country... they hate that anyone else besides themselves might prosper here.


Hahaha, this insular world on FARK where most are liberal, the demographics are skewed that way aren't they? Where everyone can congratulate themselves on how smug they are.
 
2012-04-17 05:20:54 AM  

X_Legend: JohnnyC: Kittypie070: Why does the GOP hate the country they claim to love and protect?

They don't hate the country... they hate that anyone else besides themselves might prosper here.

Hahaha, this insular world on FARK where most are liberal, the demographics are skewed that way aren't they? Where everyone can congratulate themselves on how smug they are.


Is he wrong? No.
 
2012-04-17 05:25:36 AM  

Alphax: X_Legend: JohnnyC: Kittypie070: Why does the GOP hate the country they claim to love and protect?

They don't hate the country... they hate that anyone else besides themselves might prosper here.

Hahaha, this insular world on FARK where most are liberal, the demographics are skewed that way aren't they? Where everyone can congratulate themselves on how smug they are.

Is he wrong? No.


Of course he's wrong. I'm conservative, and I love this country, served it for 4 years. We may not share liberal values, but that doesn't mean I hate for anyone else besides myself to prosper.
 
2012-04-17 05:27:24 AM  

X_Legend: Alphax: X_Legend: JohnnyC: Kittypie070: Why does the GOP hate the country they claim to love and protect?

They don't hate the country... they hate that anyone else besides themselves might prosper here.

Hahaha, this insular world on FARK where most are liberal, the demographics are skewed that way aren't they? Where everyone can congratulate themselves on how smug they are.

Is he wrong? No.

Of course he's wrong. I'm conservative, and I love this country, served it for 4 years. We may not share liberal values, but that doesn't mean I hate for anyone else besides myself to prosper.


Then you can't be a Republican, if you don't hate indiscriminately.
 
2012-04-17 05:32:18 AM  

Alphax: SBWorks: As someone who has been living abroad for a few years, I have ask: what the HELL is going on back in the states?!

People ask me about American politics and I have nothing to say...

Democracy was replaced by Plutocracy.

Though I hear in Michigan, Democracy was removed entirely.


Succinct summary.... but depressing
 
2012-04-17 05:32:27 AM  

Alphax: X_Legend: Alphax: X_Legend: JohnnyC: Kittypie070: Why does the GOP hate the country they claim to love and protect?

They don't hate the country... they hate that anyone else besides themselves might prosper here.

Hahaha, this insular world on FARK where most are liberal, the demographics are skewed that way aren't they? Where everyone can congratulate themselves on how smug they are.

Is he wrong? No.

Of course he's wrong. I'm conservative, and I love this country, served it for 4 years. We may not share liberal values, but that doesn't mean I hate for anyone else besides myself to prosper.

Then you can't be a Republican, if you don't hate indiscriminately.


What a sad life you must lead for that kind of close-mindedness.
 
2012-04-17 05:38:50 AM  

X_Legend: Alphax: X_Legend: Alphax: X_Legend: JohnnyC: Kittypie070: Why does the GOP hate the country they claim to love and protect?

They don't hate the country... they hate that anyone else besides themselves might prosper here.

Hahaha, this insular world on FARK where most are liberal, the demographics are skewed that way aren't they? Where everyone can congratulate themselves on how smug they are.

Is he wrong? No.

Of course he's wrong. I'm conservative, and I love this country, served it for 4 years. We may not share liberal values, but that doesn't mean I hate for anyone else besides myself to prosper.

Then you can't be a Republican, if you don't hate indiscriminately.

What a sad life you must lead for that kind of close-mindedness.


Worse, it's true. That IS the nation we have now, with one party driven by malice, to cause as much pain and suffering as they can to anyone not exactly like them.
 
2012-04-17 05:49:21 AM  

X_Legend: Alphax: X_Legend: Alphax: X_Legend: JohnnyC: Kittypie070: Why does the GOP hate the country they claim to love and protect?

They don't hate the country... they hate that anyone else besides themselves might prosper here.

Hahaha, this insular world on FARK where most are liberal, the demographics are skewed that way aren't they? Where everyone can congratulate themselves on how smug they are.

Is he wrong? No.

Of course he's wrong. I'm conservative, and I love this country, served it for 4 years. We may not share liberal values, but that doesn't mean I hate for anyone else besides myself to prosper.

Then you can't be a Republican, if you don't hate indiscriminately.

What a sad life you must lead for that kind of close-mindedness.


Look... you might not personally be a bad guy, but the group you associate with not only displays, but proudly displays their disdain for their fellow Americans. This is plainly obvious to anyone who has been paying even the slightest attention to the GOP in say... the last 30 years or so. Since I highly doubt that you, alone, can sway the direction the Republican party has taken, perhaps you ought to reconsider your affiliation?

I am not affiliated with any political party because I hold views that do not match with any political party on a significant enough level for me to consider myself one of them.

The alternative is that you accept all that comes with proclaiming yourself a "Republican".
 
2012-04-17 05:58:07 AM  

Alphax: X_Legend: Alphax: X_Legend: Alphax: X_Legend: JohnnyC: Kittypie070: Why does the GOP hate the country they claim to love and protect?

They don't hate the country... they hate that anyone else besides themselves might prosper here.

Hahaha, this insular world on FARK where most are liberal, the demographics are skewed that way aren't they? Where everyone can congratulate themselves on how smug they are.

Is he wrong? No.

Of course he's wrong. I'm conservative, and I love this country, served it for 4 years. We may not share liberal values, but that doesn't mean I hate for anyone else besides myself to prosper.

Then you can't be a Republican, if you don't hate indiscriminately.

What a sad life you must lead for that kind of close-mindedness.

Worse, it's true. That IS the nation we have now, with one party driven by malice, to cause as much pain and suffering as they can to anyone not exactly like them.


In my time zone, it's now almost 5am, which means I must leave. You really need help for your political delusions.
 
2012-04-17 05:59:28 AM  

X_Legend: In my time zone, it's now almost 5am, which means I must leave. You really need help for your political delusions.


Physician, heal thyself. And/or remove thy cranium from thine anus.
 
2012-04-17 06:04:46 AM  

Alphax: ....Worse, it's true. That IS the nation we have now, with one party driven by malice stupid, to cause as much pain and suffering as they can to anyone not exactly like them.


Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by stupid.
 
2012-04-17 06:06:56 AM  
AdolfOliverPanties

Today's GOP is politicians are the greatest threat the United States has ever faced.


FTFY
 
2012-04-17 06:11:13 AM  

ghare: Alphax: ....Worse, it's true. That IS the nation we have now, with one party driven by malice stupid, to cause as much pain and suffering as they can to anyone not exactly like them.

Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by stupid.


Stupid, however, cannot fully explain Republicans anymore. Not in the face of bloodthirsty audiences at Republican primary debates. Nor the War on Women that they're prosecuting in every state they control.
 
2012-04-17 06:19:28 AM  
Of course it did and Obama knew this would happen.

Obama is pushing the "Buffett rule" for political purposes only. He knows why some rich people have an effective rate of below 30% (cap gains/dividends are already taxed, muni bond yields are proportionately lower due to tax advantages, loss carryforwardss, etc. Etc.), and knows that the Buffett rule would be bad policy.

If he actually thought it had a chance of passing he wouldn't have put it forward. He knew it would be blocked but threw it out there anyway to grandstand to idiots.
 
2012-04-17 06:21:45 AM  

Mildot: Sabyen91: Mildot: WhyteRaven74: Mildot: It amazes me that even when Obama says it a gimmick that's not intended to really do anything to bring down the budget deficit,

So raising revenues isn't helpful to reducing the deficit?

wow, even Obama says this will do nothing to solve the deficit -- class warfare for the sake of class warfare pure and simple.

He did? By the way, without actual classes you can't have class warfare. Poor and rich? Not much of a fight. The only class warfare is the right destroying the middle class.

The thing is, no one is stopping anyone from becoming rich. Educate yourself, make smart choices in life, work hard. And you can join the ranks of the rich. However, if the Buffett Rule is implemented, 4 out 5 people affected are small business owners. You know, the people that hire other people. If Obama takes more of their money, you have to realize that will leave less to hire people which would result in less revenue going to the government.


4 out the 5 are classified as small businesses, often having a single employee, themselves. Of all small businesses, this would only effect 3% of them, the other 97% of small businesses don't earn enough per year to be effected by this.

Oh and if these 'small businesses' are the job creators, and they have had these huge tax cuts to encourage job growth for the last 10 years, where are the farking jobs? If they don't do their part in fixing the problem, fark em, take the incentive back.

/sorry for feeding the troll.
 
2012-04-17 06:22:28 AM  

MyRandomName: LOL. Liberals farking believe that life would be roses and ponies if only they could fark the rich more. farkING HILARIOUS. How about trying to implement a policy that isn't a gimmic that represents a miniscule part of the program. All the rage in this thread proves you liberal farktards aren't really interested in fixing America but are more concerned with farking those you are jealous of. farkING HILARIOUS. Grow up. 3 billion a year. 3 billion. DOES JACK shiat. How about attacking spending which is currently at 24.5% of GDP, 2nd highest in American history. But no, you are more concerned with the tiny little portion of people who make more than you. What farking jealous children you are.


I bet you wanted to defund Planned Parenthood, too, for the purpose of "saving money", right?
 
2012-04-17 06:40:59 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Of course it did and Obama knew this would happen.

Obama is pushing the "Buffett rule" for political purposes only. He knows why some rich people have an effective rate of below 30% (cap gains/dividends are already taxed, muni bond yields are proportionately lower due to tax advantages, loss carryforwardss, etc. Etc.), and knows that the Buffett rule would be bad policy.

If he actually thought it had a chance of passing he wouldn't have put it forward. He knew it would be blocked but threw it out there anyway to grandstand to idiots.


Actually he's finally wising up. I've been saying for a while that just because the GOP are bound to try and stop decent legislation from going through is no reason no to put that shiat up for a vote and put them on the record being against good policy. Even if nothing useful gets done you build up resentment in the electorate and clearly point out the obstructionist nature of the GOP.

Trying to increase governmental revenue stream from the new uber wealthy classes and decrease or at least slow down wealth inequality is not bad policy.

It is, in fact, necessary and long overdue policy. Whether the Buffet rule is the best way to go about that is debatable, of course. but the goal itself is not.

The GOP are the ones being idiots here.
 
2012-04-17 06:57:46 AM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Sabyen91: WhyteRaven74: Mildot: It amazes me that even when Obama says it a gimmick that's not intended to really do anything to bring down the budget deficit,

So raising revenues isn't helpful to reducing the deficit?

Laffer Curve!

/If you haven't noticed I am going to yell bebunked right-wing talking points at you. :)

I love hearing right-wingers talk about the laffer curve. Especially when it's accompanied by the masterpiece below. The amount of fail that was packed into that is staggering, yet people eat it right up.

[economistsview.typepad.com image 295x359]


The thing is the corporate rate probably should be lower. But also , with significant raises on personal rates to make up for it along with a federal VAT or some kind of transaction tax. It makes it easier to grow small companies and taxes when money is taken out of the economy for personal use and exchanged. Can make things generally dynamic. But try selling THAT politically.

/using Norway as anything but a special case is ignorant and retarded
 
2012-04-17 07:24:37 AM  

Mildot: It amazes me that even when Obama says it a gimmick that's not intended to really do anything to bring down the budget deficit, that you can't see it's just smoke and mirrors that Obama is only stoking the flames of class warfare to distract from his policy failings.

[cdn.stripersonline.com image 599x463]


Are you one of those morons who really think that half of Americans pay no taxes?
 
2012-04-17 07:39:26 AM  
fark yourself forever, Scott Brown.
 
2012-04-17 07:45:38 AM  

liam76: Mildot: It amazes me that even when Obama says it a gimmick that's not intended to really do anything to bring down the budget deficit, that you can't see it's just smoke and mirrors that Obama is only stoking the flames of class warfare to distract from his policy failings.

[cdn.stripersonline.com image 599x463]

Are you one of those morons who really think that half of Americans pay no taxes?


Yes, he is. Although "really thinks" is a stretch when talking about Dotty.

The amusing thing of course is that they've been armed with that class warfare talking point and others that protect the interests of the 1% and they have absolutely no idea how hypocritical they are being. Of course, that *is* how they roll these days.

See racism and say something about it? You're using the Race card, you racist!

Notice hundreds of GOP policies dis-empowering women and making the health care harder to access?

Hurr durr! The Dem's war on women!

Notice them try to legislate gays into permanent second class citizen?

Obviously proponents of a radical gay agenda.

Any attempt to make the lives of them and their fellow citizens better?

Soshulizmz!

Notice increased wealth inequality and move to address it?

Class warfare.

Pavlov's dog was less predictable.
 
2012-04-17 07:59:12 AM  
Pfft why should rich people pay more. Who do you think benefits more from tax money? You ever see a rich guy on the bus?

Didn't think so.
 
2012-04-17 07:59:59 AM  
This would have contributed $40 to a $13,000 debt.

The president is only interested in what he perceives as "fairness" regardless as what it will or wont do for the deficit.
 
2012-04-17 08:01:55 AM  

o5iiawah: This would have contributed $40 to a $13,000 debt.

The president is only interested in what he perceives as "fairness" regardless as what it will or wont do for the deficit.


Now it contributes 0

Republican math.
 
2012-04-17 08:06:05 AM  

LeoffDaGrate: MyRandomName: LOL. Liberals farking believe that life would be roses and ponies if only they could fark the rich more. farkING HILARIOUS. How about trying to implement a policy that isn't a gimmic that represents a miniscule part of the program. All the rage in this thread proves you liberal farktards aren't really interested in fixing America but are more concerned with farking those you are jealous of. farkING HILARIOUS. Grow up. 3 billion a year. 3 billion. DOES JACK shiat. How about attacking spending which is currently at 24.5% of GDP, 2nd highest in American history. But no, you are more concerned with the tiny little portion of people who make more than you. What farking jealous children you are.

I bet you wanted to defund Planned Parenthood, too, for the purpose of "saving money", right?


But doesn't want to cut military spending which is 4.8% of GDP.
 
2012-04-17 08:07:03 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: This is my surprised face :-|


Obvious tag must have had the night off.
//Nothing will get done between now and the election, it will be all party-line votes that die in one house or the other.
 
2012-04-17 08:23:53 AM  

nmrsnr: Generation_D: America is so full of sh*t. We already over represent the rural red staters by a factor of about 10-1 in the Senate. California, NY State etc get the same vote as Alabama and Kentucky. There's about a 50/50 split between red states and blue, but most of the blue states are where the people live, only Florida and Texas make the top 10 and are "Red." And Florida only cause they cheat.

Its a sad state of affairs Tommy and all the fresh air in the world won't make up for it.

You do realize we're a bicameral legislature, and that over-representing the less populous areas was the point of the Senate, right? Plus, in the House, which is apportioned by population, the "Red Team" is beating the "Blue Team" 242-190. So, your argument fails on pretty much every level.


Don't feed the troll with your fancy "logic" and "facts."
 
2012-04-17 08:24:39 AM  

CPennypacker: Pfft why should rich people pay more. Who do you think benefits more from tax money? You ever see a rich guy on the bus?

Didn't think so.


I have had this conversation too many times.

/worth it for the few times you see the light go on in peoples head when they realize the rich guy who doesn't have to take the bus is really getting much more out of society
 
2012-04-17 08:27:28 AM  

quatchi: Debeo Summa Credo: Of course it did and Obama knew this would happen.

Obama is pushing the "Buffett rule" for political purposes only. He knows why some rich people have an effective rate of below 30% (cap gains/dividends are already taxed, muni bond yields are proportionately lower due to tax advantages, loss carryforwardss, etc. Etc.), and knows that the Buffett rule would be bad policy.

If he actually thought it had a chance of passing he wouldn't have put it forward. He knew it would be blocked but threw it out there anyway to grandstand to idiots.

Actually he's finally wising up. I've been saying for a while that just because the GOP are bound to try and stop decent legislation from going through is no reason no to put that shiat up for a vote and put them on the record being against good policy. Even if nothing useful gets done you build up resentment in the electorate and clearly point out the obstructionist nature of the GOP.

Trying to increase governmental revenue stream from the new uber wealthy classes and decrease or at least slow down wealth inequality is not bad policy.

It is, in fact, necessary and long overdue policy. Whether the Buffet rule is the best way to go about that is debatable, of course. but the goal itself is not.

The GOP are the ones being idiots here.


Sure, raising revenues and progressivity is good policy, but the Buffett rule is a terrible way to go about it. Obama knows that and it appears you do too.

He's just grandstanding by even putting this forward.

I'm voting for him again, but I can admit when my candidate is pandering.
 
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