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2012-04-16 08:03:46 PM  
The for-profit colleges make money this way:

Offer classes at the entry level with open admission. "Test" students to see what their "abilities" are. Or don't.

Give 'em a semester or so of easy-sail classes.

Fail at least 50% of the upper level classes but don't provide the students with the opportunity to succeed by providing remedial classes, tutoring, or heaven forbid, exams that actually match up with the content taught.

By now, the students have spent enough money that they don't want to just 'give up' and will re-take the classes trying to get their degree.

One or more repeats and they drop out.

The point is that the people who enrolled should have never enrolled to begin with. The schools make it seem easy and then make it (standardly) hard, so that some people best suited for, say, janitor work, or other students who are fairly intelligent but are short on English skills are trying to become software engineers or nurses, and fail miserably because of the disparity between ability and coursework.

This nets a lot of profit for the for-profit school by enrolling a large number of hopefuls that would otherwise have no chance in a standard school, and letting them drop out due to attrition.
 
2012-04-16 08:05:07 PM  

gimmegimme: Urbn: PsiChick: shamanwest: PsiChick: DEVRY AND PHOENIX ARE SCAMS.



I'm about to log onto my class to do my homework, so I'm really getting a kick out of...

aw who am I kidding.

Jane, you ignorant slut, shut the fark up.

Look, I don't know why you're there, but I do know that the only people I know with DeVry degrees are the only ones I've met who have been specifically rejected because of the school they went to from jobs. Add in the statistics from the article.

Get out. You're worth far more than a fake degree from a predatory school.

I have to concur, at least generally. I have worked at places where they would toss out people who had degrees from well-known for profit schools like Phoenix and DeVry, unless the person had some really, really compelling real world experience in addition. I don't know why someone would choose a DeVry/Phoenix style school over a community college or even an online certificate program from an accredited university (most state schools and even private universities have these).


That one's easy. When you go to class at Phoenix, you don't have to actually leave the house or do the work and you get your degree in a fraction of the time,


Also at community colleges you have to take placement test for math and English to determine if you can take college level English and math courses. If you don't place at the college level you have to take pre-college courses before you can take the required college English and math courses you need to graduate.

At a lot of these for profit schools you also take the placement test, but it doesn't matter if you place at the college level or not, you are still going to be placed in the college level course whether you are ready for it or not. And it doesn't matter if you can do the work or not because you will pass as long as you go to class, turn something in and pay your bill.
 
2012-04-16 08:05:12 PM  

Urbn: gimmegimme: Urbn: PsiChick: shamanwest: PsiChick: DEVRY AND PHOENIX ARE SCAMS.



I'm about to log onto my class to do my homework, so I'm really getting a kick out of...

aw who am I kidding.

Jane, you ignorant slut, shut the fark up.

Look, I don't know why you're there, but I do know that the only people I know with DeVry degrees are the only ones I've met who have been specifically rejected because of the school they went to from jobs. Add in the statistics from the article.

Get out. You're worth far more than a fake degree from a predatory school.

I have to concur, at least generally. I have worked at places where they would toss out people who had degrees from well-known for profit schools like Phoenix and DeVry, unless the person had some really, really compelling real world experience in addition. I don't know why someone would choose a DeVry/Phoenix style school over a community college or even an online certificate program from an accredited university (most state schools and even private universities have these).


That one's easy. When you go to class at Phoenix, you don't have to actually leave the house or do the work and you get your degree in a fraction of the time,

That is one interesting thing with online learning; how do they prove it's you doing work and taking exams? I'm not that familiar with them, but surely they have to have some way to track people's progress and verify the student during exams? There are online courses offered by some universities, but I think you still have to go to exams in person, although the certificate programs may not be as strict. That is going to be an interesting problem to work out in the future to reduce fraud (it will never go away entirely, of course).


Nope. In the schools with which I am familiar, there is no way to prove you actually did the work. I heard the story of a scorned woman who went to the administration and told them she did all of her ex-boyfriend's work in online classes, but there was nothing they could do.
 
2012-04-16 08:05:48 PM  

Weaver95: halfof33: Weaver95: halfof33: WTF? I just made opne, I pointed out that his use of statistics was misleading, further , he never gets around to mentioning the student loans for not for profit schools.

no, you attacked the source (i.e. the article). you never addressed Virgina Foxx's actions.

so did you want to actually talk about Virgina Foxx and what she did, or did you want to keep playing dodgeball?

Wow, that is FANTASTIC! You just accused me of dodging the question by addressing the source and the article. That is unbelievable. Are you feeling alright, sport?

In any event: NEWSFLASH, 99% of Congress critters take Campaign contributions from special interest groups for whom they are writing legislation, earth shattering!

they are whores, and telling me that this one is a bigger whore than the rest doesn't float my boat, champ, because I'm not a partisan hack like you.

Now ADDRESS the legislation or STFU.

so...nothing.

ah well, at least I can say I tried. also - and please don't take this as an insult, because I mean this sincerely - you should look into remedial english classes. your reading comprehension skills are...lacking. I think you'd benefit greatly from some practice and help from a teacher.


Lulz, weaves you are SUCH a partisian hack. You are not really suggesting that folks from the Dumofullorats party don't take money from. Special interests??? Bwhahaha!

Okh Weaves she is a horrible awful person. So stipulated.

Any comments about the legislation in the Occutard hand book, or you just call her ugly?
 
2012-04-16 08:06:06 PM  

Car_Ramrod: halfof33: Occutard Chicago

halfof33: occutards

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I wish I could funny this a billion times!
 
2012-04-16 08:08:27 PM  

thamike: NewportBarGuy: Another example of why this woman is a disgusting piece of sh*t! (new window)

Holy F*CK.

/Matt was a friend of mine


I'm sorry for your loss. They decided to go against the Hate Crimes Act by claiming that his death was just a robbery gone wrong. Ignored the facts of the case and just rolled with it, unaware that the internet was in existence.

She's a real beaut. (new window)
 
2012-04-16 08:08:55 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Virginia Foxx is at the top of my "Old Ladies I Want to Punch In the Mouth" list.


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Phhhhhblblblpth?

Ahhh...
 
2012-04-16 08:09:21 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Another example of why this woman is a disgusting piece of sh*t! (new window)


I wasn't familiar with this woman before, but that just makes me want to feed her into a woodchipper.
 
2012-04-16 08:09:36 PM  

halfof33: Lulz, weaves you are SUCH a partisian hack. You are not really suggesting that folks from the Dumofullorats party don't take money from. Special interests??? Bwhahaha!

Okh Weaves she is a horrible awful person. So stipulated.


I don't think a Tu quoque defense is gonna help you here. As I pointed out above, it's not about what the DEMOCRATS might have done, this is about what Virgina Foxx is doing.
 
2012-04-16 08:10:28 PM  
 
2012-04-16 08:13:25 PM  

gimmegimme: Soup4Bonnie: illegal.tender: Maybe the FREE MARKET is actually in some cases, rare though they may be, a bad thing. A really bad thing. It makes things worse.

It's this sort of thinking that led to the demise of the snake oil industry.

That industry is not dead.

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Thanks for posting that.
I had never heard of Sea Org before and looked it up to see if it was a joke.

Sometimes I wish I never had internet access, there are things I would be happier not knowing.
 
2012-04-16 08:13:39 PM  
ALEC is behind this. No doubt she's a member.
 
2012-04-16 08:14:13 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: 16.5 is some kind of genetically engineered super-troll. I can't believe there's anyone who hasn't already ignored him.


Just blocked him myself. He's truly a special kind of assclown.
 
2012-04-16 08:16:05 PM  
Fat farking coont
 
2012-04-16 08:16:57 PM  

baggins2000: gimmegimme: Soup4Bonnie: illegal.tender: Maybe the FREE MARKET is actually in some cases, rare though they may be, a bad thing. A really bad thing. It makes things worse.

It's this sort of thinking that led to the demise of the snake oil industry.

That industry is not dead.

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Thanks for posting that.
I had never heard of Sea Org before and looked it up to see if it was a joke.

Sometimes I wish I never had internet access, there are things I would be happier not knowing.


I'm sorry, but I am glad you are better informed.

(Whatever you do, don't google "Rehabilitation Project Force" or "Lisa McPherson.")
 
2012-04-16 08:17:41 PM  

Weaver95: halfof33: Lulz, weaves you are SUCH a partisian hack. You are not really suggesting that folks from the Dumofullorats party don't take money from. Special interests??? Bwhahaha!

Okh Weaves she is a horrible awful person. So stipulated.

I don't think a Tu quoque defense is gonna help you here. As I pointed out above, it's not about what the DEMOCRATS might have done, this is about what Virgina Foxx is doing.


Interesting that you cut out my direct question about the legislation.

What a waste of electrons you are.

Go back to mocking her looks and people pursuing non-traditional education, hack.
 
2012-04-16 08:18:08 PM  

NewportBarGuy: thamike: NewportBarGuy: Another example of why this woman is a disgusting piece of sh*t! (new window)

Holy F*CK.

/Matt was a friend of mine

I'm sorry for your loss. They decided to go against the Hate Crimes Act by claiming that his death was just a robbery gone wrong. Ignored the facts of the case and just rolled with it, unaware that the internet was in existence.

She's a real beaut. (new window)


Thanks, and it was a rough time, as I knew him overseas, so my phone was ringing off the hook from all of our friends for about a week or so. He was truly a cool guy, and I don't mean that in the retrospective "he's dead so I better latch on" kind of way. Matt was very cool, very funny, very amicable. That's why I always knew the robbery defense was horsesh*t, and that's why this cross-eyed vampire parrot anus has a suite in hell waiting for her.
 
2012-04-16 08:18:19 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: xalres: \Informed but apathetic
\\the former being the cause of the latter

If you were really informed you wouldn't be apathetic.


And yet I am. I know what's going on but I just can't bring myself to give even the smallest of shiats. At least I'm not pretending to care like most people.

Wake me when they start handing out executions to all the bankers and assorted other rich sociopaths, including the politicians who looked the other way, who broke the farking world economy for their own interests.
 
2012-04-16 08:20:53 PM  

Waxing_Chewbacca: A Dark Evil Omen: 16.5 is some kind of genetically engineered super-troll. I can't believe there's anyone who hasn't already ignored him.

Just blocked him myself. He's truly a special kind of assclown.


Another member of the libmob sticks its head in the sand.

Coward.
 
2012-04-16 08:21:16 PM  

xalres: And yet I am. I know what's going on but I just can't bring myself to give even the smallest of shiats. At least I'm not pretending to care like most people.

Wake me when they start handing out executions to all the bankers and assorted other rich sociopaths, including the politicians who looked the other way, who broke the farking world economy for their own interests.


You're going to sleep until the US is Soviet?
 
2012-04-16 08:22:46 PM  

gimmegimme: Selena Luna: I have to say that I went to a for-profit university. I earned two degrees at that university, and I did so while taking out very little in student loans. I did this because most regular schools will not get with the times and allow students to complete degrees online. Now that I've said that, what the fark is wrong with this woman?

The very first thing I do when I request services from a doctor, car mechanic or lawyer is to make sure they got their degrees online.


Actually, I'm currently a teacher. Nevertheless, I see little wrong with getting a degree in English online. Since I was able to live with my parents in a rent free situation, instead of in a dorm or an off campus apartment, it was much, much cheaper for me. Are you saying that my regionally accredited degree is inferior to a degree with the same classes from a state university that would have cost much, much more?

In general, I think that degrees that do not have lab requirements can change to an online format for students who cannot afford to live in expensive college towns or take time off work. This would not include doctors. In the case of teachers, it only works because simply sitting in a classroom listening to lectures is no better preparation for teachers than reading about the stuff in books. In either case, one must go to a classroom and practice. My school required such things. In fact, in the district where I teach, I'm considered one of the better prepared first year teachers.

I'm sorry, but your comment angered me, and it has little relevance. I'm asking why this woman wants to end student loan programs. Why does she?
 
2012-04-16 08:24:02 PM  

halfof33: Waxing_Chewbacca: A Dark Evil Omen: 16.5 is some kind of genetically engineered super-troll. I can't believe there's anyone who hasn't already ignored him.

Just blocked him myself. He's truly a special kind of assclown.

Another member of the libmob sticks its head in the sand.

Coward.


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2012-04-16 08:26:08 PM  

Selena Luna: Are you saying that my regionally accredited degree is inferior to a degree with the same classes from a state university that would have cost much, much more?


That depends, are we talking about an online degree from a local private college's online program, or are we talking about an online degree from the University of Phoenix?

Because only the former is actually worth something to employers.
 
2012-04-16 08:33:02 PM  
My little brother worked for CEC doing something with financial aid. I guess they were a pretty good company to work for. They even paid for him to get his Master's Degree. The funny thing is they didn't send him to one of their programs to get his Master's, they sent him to a traditional and known brick and mortar private school.
 
2012-04-16 08:33:13 PM  

Selena Luna: gimmegimme: Selena Luna: I have to say that I went to a for-profit university. I earned two degrees at that university, and I did so while taking out very little in student loans. I did this because most regular schools will not get with the times and allow students to complete degrees online. Now that I've said that, what the fark is wrong with this woman?

The very first thing I do when I request services from a doctor, car mechanic or lawyer is to make sure they got their degrees online.

Actually, I'm currently a teacher. Nevertheless, I see little wrong with getting a degree in English online. Since I was able to live with my parents in a rent free situation, instead of in a dorm or an off campus apartment, it was much, much cheaper for me. Are you saying that my regionally accredited degree is inferior to a degree with the same classes from a state university that would have cost much, much more?

In general, I think that degrees that do not have lab requirements can change to an online format for students who cannot afford to live in expensive college towns or take time off work. This would not include doctors. In the case of teachers, it only works because simply sitting in a classroom listening to lectures is no better preparation for teachers than reading about the stuff in books. In either case, one must go to a classroom and practice. My school required such things. In fact, in the district where I teach, I'm considered one of the better prepared first year teachers.

I'm sorry, but your comment angered me, and it has little relevance. I'm asking why this woman wants to end student loan programs. Why does she?


You seem like a cool person, so please know I'm not trying to be unpleasant to you. To paraphrase Ted Sorensen (through JFK), we do difficult things not because they are easy, but because they are hard. I know it is hard to go to a real college, but you will feel more satisfied with a goal when it was a real struggle. Further, if a teacher never hears lectures, how will he or she give lectures?

If a student simply listens to a lecture, he or she is only doing a third of his or her job. The successful student will interact with the teacher and engage his or herself with the material.

I get a little bummed out about this topic, too. The greatest classroom, after all, was Socrates in an olive grove. There's something magical about walking into a classroom and asking students what they think. This cannot be accomplished on a message board.
 
2012-04-16 08:36:29 PM  

ongbok: My little brother worked for CEC doing something with financial aid. I guess they were a pretty good company to work for. They even paid for him to get his Master's Degree. The funny thing is they didn't send him to one of their programs to get his Master's, they sent him to a traditional and known brick and mortar private school.


That's strange...it's almost as though they wanted him to get a real education.
 
2012-04-16 08:37:36 PM  

Selena Luna: gimmegimme: Selena Luna: I have to say that I went to a for-profit university. I earned two degrees at that university, and I did so while taking out very little in student loans. I did this because most regular schools will not get with the times and allow students to complete degrees online. Now that I've said that, what the fark is wrong with this woman?

The very first thing I do when I request services from a doctor, car mechanic or lawyer is to make sure they got their degrees online.

Actually, I'm currently a teacher. Nevertheless, I see little wrong with getting a degree in English online. Since I was able to live with my parents in a rent free situation, instead of in a dorm or an off campus apartment, it was much, much cheaper for me. Are you saying that my regionally accredited degree is inferior to a degree with the same classes from a state university that would have cost much, much more?

In general, I think that degrees that do not have lab requirements can change to an online format for students who cannot afford to live in expensive college towns or take time off work. This would not include doctors. In the case of teachers, it only works because simply sitting in a classroom listening to lectures is no better preparation for teachers than reading about the stuff in books. In either case, one must go to a classroom and practice. My school required such things. In fact, in the district where I teach, I'm considered one of the better prepared first year teachers.

I'm sorry, but your comment angered me, and it has little relevance. I'm asking why this woman wants to end student loan programs. Why does she?


I should mention that all online programs are not created equally. I went to a for profit, brick-and-mortar school that has an extensive online program. I did not complete my degree in 5 months. It took me two years, only because I transferred credits. I went to a different, post BA teaching program that took nearly another two years. In both cases, the schools had a way to verify who did the work. At one, they had you take proctored exams where you went somewhere and showed your ID. At the other place, they checked your work in the same way that every school checks essays. How do brick-and-mortar schools know for sure that the person turning in the essay actually wrote it? They don't.

I'm beginning my master's degree in August at yet another brick-and-mortar school with an online program. It will take two and a half years. They require a proctored master's exam at the end. Once again, I have to show up with a picture ID and take a very long test.

Just because University of Phoenix sucks does not mean that all of us who got our education online are undereducated dupes.
 
2012-04-16 08:39:15 PM  
Perhaps half of 33 is a Phoenix "student" or has some affiliation with that "school". Maybe Virginia Foxx is his mom.
His use of the term "Occutard" suggests his education consists of what he has picked up via AM radio.
Perhaps he is white knighting for Virginia Foxx in the hope that she will have sex with him.
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2012-04-16 08:39:44 PM  

Selena Luna: Selena Luna: gimmegimme: Selena Luna: I have to say that I went to a for-profit university. I earned two degrees at that university, and I did so while taking out very little in student loans. I did this because most regular schools will not get with the times and allow students to complete degrees online. Now that I've said that, what the fark is wrong with this woman?

The very first thing I do when I request services from a doctor, car mechanic or lawyer is to make sure they got their degrees online.

Actually, I'm currently a teacher. Nevertheless, I see little wrong with getting a degree in English online. Since I was able to live with my parents in a rent free situation, instead of in a dorm or an off campus apartment, it was much, much cheaper for me. Are you saying that my regionally accredited degree is inferior to a degree with the same classes from a state university that would have cost much, much more?

In general, I think that degrees that do not have lab requirements can change to an online format for students who cannot afford to live in expensive college towns or take time off work. This would not include doctors. In the case of teachers, it only works because simply sitting in a classroom listening to lectures is no better preparation for teachers than reading about the stuff in books. In either case, one must go to a classroom and practice. My school required such things. In fact, in the district where I teach, I'm considered one of the better prepared first year teachers.

I'm sorry, but your comment angered me, and it has little relevance. I'm asking why this woman wants to end student loan programs. Why does she?

I should mention that all online programs are not created equally. I went to a for profit, brick-and-mortar school that has an extensive online program. I did not complete my degree in 5 months. It took me two years, only because I transferred credits. I went to a different, post BA teaching program that took nearly another two years. ...


I will agree with you on the bolded point. But it occurred to me. Why are we wasting all of this money on public schools when we could just have students take the classes online? The programs exist. The elementary school classroom should be a thing of the past. The third-graders could simply text their work to the facilitator.
 
2012-04-16 08:41:57 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Selena Luna: Are you saying that my regionally accredited degree is inferior to a degree with the same classes from a state university that would have cost much, much more?

That depends, are we talking about an online degree from a local private college's online program, or are we talking about an online degree from the University of Phoenix?

Because only the former is actually worth something to employers.


Mine was obviously worth something. I got a job as a teacher with that degree. I suppose you could say that Ashford University is local, if you live in Iowa. I don't. I currently live in Arizona, and I lived in Colorado. I'm not in favor of removing student loans from people, though I also think that schools who are allowed to have student loans are those that are regionally accredited and have kept their accreditation for a while.
 
2012-04-16 08:43:04 PM  

Selena Luna: Mrtraveler01: Selena Luna: Are you saying that my regionally accredited degree is inferior to a degree with the same classes from a state university that would have cost much, much more?

That depends, are we talking about an online degree from a local private college's online program, or are we talking about an online degree from the University of Phoenix?

Because only the former is actually worth something to employers.

Mine was obviously worth something. I got a job as a teacher with that degree. I suppose you could say that Ashford University is local, if you live in Iowa. I don't. I currently live in Arizona, and I lived in Colorado. I'm not in favor of removing student loans from people, though I also think that schools who are allowed to have student loans are those that are regionally accredited and have kept their accreditation for a while.


Do you know how for-profits get their accreditation?
 
2012-04-16 08:44:48 PM  

HellRaisingHoosier: I just dislike the people who feel they're better then me because of what college they went too.


"...to which they went."

Double grammar fail. Dirty prole.
 
2012-04-16 08:44:50 PM  
For anyone who uses the phrase "Occtard" and/or "bricks and mortar"; please kill yourselves.
 
2012-04-16 08:49:43 PM  
I have no problem with kids attending public school online. I teach at a traditional public school. I can give lectures because I watched hundreds on video. I attended seminars required by my program. I practiced for forty hours a week for around 14 weeks. I also know that in spite of all that, I, like most first year teachers, came in completely unprepared.

Third grade students can do the online thing if they have someone to supervise them. If they have someone they can stay with to make sure they get their homework done, it would work. Most kids don't have that. In a good online program, the student must have a huge amount of self control. I know, currently, one 9 year old and 137 12-15 year old students. Not one of them-even the ambitious ones-would work on anything without some prodding. I also know about 4 students in public online programs. All of them have parents at home for the 6 solid hours it takes to complete all the necessary work.

They usually email their homework to the teacher-not facilitator, teacher.
 
2012-04-16 08:54:36 PM  

Selena Luna: I have no problem with kids attending public school online. I teach at a traditional public school. I can give lectures because I watched hundreds on video. I attended seminars required by my program. I practiced for forty hours a week for around 14 weeks. I also know that in spite of all that, I, like most first year teachers, came in completely unprepared.

Third grade students can do the online thing if they have someone to supervise them. If they have someone they can stay with to make sure they get their homework done, it would work. Most kids don't have that. In a good online program, the student must have a huge amount of self control. I know, currently, one 9 year old and 137 12-15 year old students. Not one of them-even the ambitious ones-would work on anything without some prodding. I also know about 4 students in public online programs. All of them have parents at home for the 6 solid hours it takes to complete all the necessary work.

They usually email their homework to the teacher-not facilitator, teacher.


Sorry. I have to disagree with you. A teacher teaches. A facilitator reminds students about which online clickthroughs they need to complete.

The online thing is another way to undermine the American system of public education. It's another way for people to say, "Fark you, I got mine."
 
2012-04-16 08:55:19 PM  

gimmegimme: Selena Luna: Mrtraveler01: Selena Luna: Are you saying that my regionally accredited degree is inferior to a degree with the same classes from a state university that would have cost much, much more?

That depends, are we talking about an online degree from a local private college's online program, or are we talking about an online degree from the University of Phoenix?

Because only the former is actually worth something to employers.

Mine was obviously worth something. I got a job as a teacher with that degree. I suppose you could say that Ashford University is local, if you live in Iowa. I don't. I currently live in Arizona, and I lived in Colorado. I'm not in favor of removing student loans from people, though I also think that schools who are allowed to have student loans are those that are regionally accredited and have kept their accreditation for a while.

Do you know how for-profits get their accreditation?


If they are regionally accredited, through one of the bodies of accreditation that also gives accreditation to public universities, they must go through the same processes. You can check the accrediting body of any well known public university, and then check to see if that body is accrediting the school at which you are looking. If it doesn't, you know the school is just a diploma mill. Of course, you're assuming that because I could not afford to quit my job, move to a town with no open, entry level jobs that would even begin to cover my expenses, and go to a classroom that would cut time out of my job, I must be too lazy to do the work. I like Kennedy. I've used his quotes in my class. I still cannot afford to leave here and not work, or only work nights, to barely afford to go to grad school.
 
2012-04-16 08:56:55 PM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: For anyone who uses the phrase "Occtard" and/or "bricks and mortar"; please kill yourselves.


What term would you use in lieu of 'bricks and mortar'?
 
2012-04-16 08:58:41 PM  

gimmegimme: Selena Luna: I have no problem with kids attending public school online. I teach at a traditional public school. I can give lectures because I watched hundreds on video. I attended seminars required by my program. I practiced for forty hours a week for around 14 weeks. I also know that in spite of all that, I, like most first year teachers, came in completely unprepared.

Third grade students can do the online thing if they have someone to supervise them. If they have someone they can stay with to make sure they get their homework done, it would work. Most kids don't have that. In a good online program, the student must have a huge amount of self control. I know, currently, one 9 year old and 137 12-15 year old students. Not one of them-even the ambitious ones-would work on anything without some prodding. I also know about 4 students in public online programs. All of them have parents at home for the 6 solid hours it takes to complete all the necessary work.

They usually email their homework to the teacher-not facilitator, teacher.

Sorry. I have to disagree with you. A teacher teaches. A facilitator reminds students about which online clickthroughs they need to complete.

The online thing is another way to undermine the American system of public education. It's another way for people to say, "Fark you, I got mine."


I give up. You've never seen an online classroom, so you're making untrue assumptions. You keep making those assumptions that are without merit. Teachers teach online too. They explain how to do things. They answer questions. They even do so real-time, in some cases. Not being in the same room does not make the job any less demanding.
 
2012-04-16 09:00:18 PM  

gimmegimme: The online thing is another way to undermine the American system of public education. It's another way for people to say, "Fark you, I got mine."


I am looking forward to the future; my literacy will cause nobles to protect me and keep me safe in a monastery so I can transcribe the history of their conquests.

red5ish: What term would you use in lieu of 'bricks and mortar'?


A real place, with wallz and shiat!
 
2012-04-16 09:01:24 PM  

Selena Luna: gimmegimme: Selena Luna: Mrtraveler01: Selena Luna: Are you saying that my regionally accredited degree is inferior to a degree with the same classes from a state university that would have cost much, much more?

That depends, are we talking about an online degree from a local private college's online program, or are we talking about an online degree from the University of Phoenix?

Because only the former is actually worth something to employers.

Mine was obviously worth something. I got a job as a teacher with that degree. I suppose you could say that Ashford University is local, if you live in Iowa. I don't. I currently live in Arizona, and I lived in Colorado. I'm not in favor of removing student loans from people, though I also think that schools who are allowed to have student loans are those that are regionally accredited and have kept their accreditation for a while.

Do you know how for-profits get their accreditation?

If they are regionally accredited, through one of the bodies of accreditation that also gives accreditation to public universities, they must go through the same processes. You can check the accrediting body of any well known public university, and then check to see if that body is accrediting the school at which you are looking. If it doesn't, you know the school is just a diploma mill. Of course, you're assuming that because I could not afford to quit my job, move to a town with no open, entry level jobs that would even begin to cover my expenses, and go to a classroom that would cut time out of my job, I must be too lazy to do the work. I like Kennedy. I've used his quotes in my class. I still cannot afford to leave here and not work, or only work nights, to barely afford to go to grad school.


In all seriousness, do check this out: PBS RULES. I don't care what you say, Republicans. (new window)

I'm just saying that I fear for the future when EVERYTHING is done through a stupid screen. A great deal of the shortcuts are based on ridiculous lies. "Oh, I go to class online because I'm not really a find-information-then-use-it-to-formulate-a-logical-conclusion learner." "I don't have the time to become a doctor at one of those fancy medical schools, so I'll just get my med degree in the Caribbean." "No fair. I don't like reading! I'm never going to read in the future, so why should I be expected to do it now?!?!"

The traditional methods of education got us to the Moon. The Internet got us the Kardashians.
 
2012-04-16 09:02:14 PM  

red5ish: The_Gallant_Gallstone: For anyone who uses the phrase "Occtard" and/or "bricks and mortar"; please kill yourselves.

What term would you use in lieu of 'bricks and mortar'?


"real"
 
2012-04-16 09:03:34 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Once again, 60 Minutes does another great job of exposing a scam (new window)


I'm shocked that nobody takes their diploma mill degrees seriously.

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2012-04-16 09:04:03 PM  

gimmegimme: The traditional methods of education got us to the Moon. The Internet got us the Kardashians.


I agree... all educational facilities in this nation should be turned over to the Pope and his Jesuits... effective immediately.
 
2012-04-16 09:05:49 PM  

Fart_Machine: Mrtraveler01: Once again, 60 Minutes does another great job of exposing a scam (new window)

I'm shocked that nobody takes their diploma mill degrees seriously.

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Hey, leave him alone. He's not really an enroll-in-school-and-go-to-classes-and-learn-the-information-and-ways- of-thinking-to-satisfactorily-do-the-job learner!
 
2012-04-16 09:08:24 PM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: red5ish: What term would you use in lieu of 'bricks and mortar'?

A real place, with wallz and shiat!


Well, that does sort of roll off the tongue.
 
2012-04-16 09:10:44 PM  

red5ish: Perhaps half of 33 is a Phoenix "student" or has some affiliation with that "school". Maybe Virginia Foxx is his mom.
His use of the term "Occutard" suggests his education consists of what he has picked up via AM radio.
Perhaps he is white knighting for Virginia Foxx in the hope that she will have sex with him.
Link (new window)


Ahhhh, the sneering contempt of the smug liberal for those pursuing a non-traditional education.

By the way, that is a curious use of "let me google that for you" champ. Don't know how to cite anything else?

By the way, the second link spells "sought" as "saught." Sounds like a Yalie.
 
2012-04-16 09:12:47 PM  

gimmegimme: halfof33: Waxing_Chewbacca: A Dark Evil Omen: 16.5 is some kind of genetically engineered super-troll. I can't believe there's anyone who hasn't already ignored him.

Just blocked him myself. He's truly a special kind of assclown.

Another member of the libmob sticks its head in the sand.

Coward.

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Yeah, that IS a lot of sand.

Thanks for the visual!
 
2012-04-16 09:15:55 PM  

Weaver95: So...because someone ELSE got money, that completely excuses Virgina Foxx and her actions?

hmm. now that's a strange way to go about being a morally upstanding party of personal responsibility.


Of course not. Nothing exonerates bad behaviour. Not for the GOP, nor the DNC.
That was my point. But way to "but but but GOP!"

So I guess what you meant to say it, "Yeah, we all have a good ways to go in reducing the corruption allowed by PACs."
 
2012-04-16 09:16:39 PM  
Not too shocking Virginia Foxx is involved in crooked stuff. She spends most the time making my district in NC look like complete and utter morons. The sad thing is, she got elected for having an (R) after her name. Not that hard a task since I think Charles Manson could get elected in this district that way. They just vote in the biggest morons they can find.
 
2012-04-16 09:18:35 PM  

s2s2s2: Weaver95: So...because someone ELSE got money, that completely excuses Virgina Foxx and her actions?

hmm. now that's a strange way to go about being a morally upstanding party of personal responsibility.

Of course not. Nothing exonerates bad behaviour. Not for the GOP, nor the DNC.
That was my point. But way to "but but but GOP!"

So I guess what you meant to say it, "Yeah, we all have a good ways to go in reducing the corruption allowed by PACs."


That's a really good point. Those damn liberal wing Justices passed Citizens United, too.
 
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