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(CNN)   Norwegian mass murderer admits killing 77 people. His plea? Not guilty, claiming "self defense." Seriously   (cnn.com) divider line 166
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vpb [TotalFark]
2012-04-16 11:02:58 AM  

liam76: vpb: liam76: Silly Jesus: [images.cheezburger.com image 500x559]

Talk to me when there is a poll showing widespread support for him among Christains, as there was for Osama.

I guess any "news" source that claims that there was widespread support for Bin Laden isn't going to tell you about the fundie racists.

I don't need a news source. I lived in muslims countries for more than three years (Indo and Egypt) where support for Osama was widespread.

But I get that most people don't have the opportunity to realy see how things are outside their country, you might want to start with Pew polls on the subject if you are really interested in learning.


I don't know many Egyptians but I know quite a few Indonesians and they don't seem to be all that pro-Osama. At least not any more than the people think there should be land mines and snipers on the border with Mexico.
 
2012-04-16 11:21:42 AM  
While this is a tragedy and this guy is scum.... Norway still does it right:

From the NPR story (new window): "......the Prime Minister said the nation's response to the rampage would be more openness, more democracy, NOT new social controls or reactionary legislation."

Fark, why can't my country be this way?
 
2012-04-16 11:25:40 AM  
While I support Norways liberal and progressive justice system I also think that sometimes the death penalty is justified.

/we put down mad dogs don't we?
 
2012-04-16 11:28:15 AM  

Voiceofreason01: While I support Norways liberal and progressive justice system I also think that sometimes the death penalty is justified.

/we put down mad dogs don't we?


I will say that if ANYONE deserves it, it's him. But there's really no need for it when it's cheaper (at least here when you consider legal fees) to let them live in a hole forever. Removed from the general population is good enough for me.
 
2012-04-16 11:33:46 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: It's not like jail in Norway is even a punishment. Why bother pleading at all? You'll just get sent to a resort either way.


Yup. He has made it clear that, as much as possible, he will use the trial to promote his racist ideology. In fact he has called for people of like mind to do the same. It's perfect to commit a crime of this enormity in a place like Norway since as you point out you basically get lodged comfortably at the government's expense for the rest of your life. Contrast that with being put in Latin American or even American prisons.

The judge has to decide how much of his blathering she has to put up with in order for the trial to have a semblance of dignity.
 
2012-04-16 11:40:10 AM  
FREE HAT
 
2012-04-16 11:40:45 AM  

barefoot in the head: Kit Fister: Silly Jesus: [images.cheezburger.com image 500x559]

Frankly, regardless of what most Christjans think, Christianity has been just as violent and radical for most of its lifetime. From the beginning, once adopted, the church forced conversions and had bloody histories of burning, killing, ostracizing, and demonizing anyone that didn't agree with/convert to their belief. Look at the Crusades, the Inquisition, the burning of witches, the conversion-by-torture of many non-christian nations...

It may be unpopular to say so, but Christianity has its own violent, bloody sects that are no different.

Humans in general will use any available excuse to exercise their violent nature and bigotry.

That's not Christainity, much like "ostracizing" and "demonizing" are not English, no matter how widely and tenaciously the perversion is embraced.


Hey, I looked those up in the dictionary and they are, in fact, spelled correct. so Fox oscar, grammer nazi.
 
2012-04-16 11:42:38 AM  
This is a Norwegian Prison, seriously...

i.dailymail.co.uk

A BBC article and more amazing pictures, including the tanning bed. (new window)
 
2012-04-16 11:57:38 AM  
A better headline would have been:

"Nowegian mass murderer admits killing 77 people. This is not a repeat from 1085."
 
2012-04-16 11:58:51 AM  
jso2897: Were they wearing hoodies?
markfara: He felt threatened, and he stood his ground.
Dinobot: Did the kids assaulted him with skittles?


You are all bad people, and you should feel bad.
 
Heb
2012-04-16 12:04:25 PM  
The average number of murders in Norway over the previous years was 30 per year. Breivik killed 77 in a day.
 
2012-04-16 12:08:36 PM  

Kit Fister: Hey, I looked those up in the dictionary and they are, in fact, spelled correct. so Fox oscar, grammer nazi.


Have a nice day.
 
2012-04-16 12:10:30 PM  
The average reoffending rate in Norway is only 20%. The US is 60%.

Maybe Norway's onto something with their dorm-like prisons. Oh well, here in the US, we'll continue to be "tough on crime". :(
 
2012-04-16 12:14:56 PM  

Heb: The average number of murders in Norway over the previous years was 30 per year. Breivik killed 77 in a day.


Hell, some cities in the US reach that number before lunch. USA! USA!! USA!!!
 
2012-04-16 12:15:09 PM  
images3.wikia.nocookie.net

Moving to have trial relocated to Florida
 
2012-04-16 12:15:43 PM  
i769.photobucket.com

He killed those 23 babies and toddlers in self defense damn it!
 
2012-04-16 12:21:44 PM  
The farking guy is paranoid schizophrenic. The families of the victims aren't ever going to get remorse or an apology out of him, because in his mind he's a champion and he really honestly believes that. The best they can do is keep him in a looney bin for life so he can never do it again.
 
2012-04-16 12:28:23 PM  

vpb: liam76: vpb: liam76: Silly Jesus: [images.cheezburger.com image 500x559]

Talk to me when there is a poll showing widespread support for him among Christains, as there was for Osama.

I guess any "news" source that claims that there was widespread support for Bin Laden isn't going to tell you about the fundie racists.

I don't need a news source. I lived in muslims countries for more than three years (Indo and Egypt) where support for Osama was widespread.

But I get that most people don't have the opportunity to realy see how things are outside their country, you might want to start with Pew polls on the subject if you are really interested in learning.

I don't know many Egyptians but I know quite a few Indonesians and they don't seem to be all that pro-Osama. At least not any more than the people think there should be land mines and snipers on the border with Mexico.


Where did you meet indonesians?

Do you really think people that were a big fan of Osama would be upfront about it in a country where his biggest attack took place? Some of the guys I worked with who were very "normal" and not that religious (would drink beers with me) would rock out pro-Osama T-shirts.

No idea how border policy is in any way related.
 
2012-04-16 12:28:41 PM  
If this guy ends up being kidnapped and subjected to prolonged torture for months, years it would be too good for him.
 
2012-04-16 12:36:24 PM  

Freakin Rican: McMuttons: Millennium: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Wow, he is so screwed. Wait, this is Europe, so he'll get what, 12 years or something?

IIRC, the maximum in Norway is 21 years. Not really sure where they came up with that number.

The max is 21 years. However, if at the end of the time a psychiatric evaluation results in seeing the criminal as a danger to the public if released, they can keep him for another 5 years in a secure psychiatric ward in stead, to be repeated as needed.

It's unlikely that Breivik ever gets back out. One way or another.

is that 21 years per person murdered? or 21 total?
so basically if you kill 1 or 100 the max is 21 years? wtfark is up with that?


The total max is 21 years. But as I said, per psychiatric evaluation you can be kept in indefinitely, which is what will most likely happen to Breivik.
 
2012-04-16 12:37:43 PM  

gojirast: They have iced tea and skittles in Norway?


Yes and yes. :)
 
2012-04-16 12:38:16 PM  
It's just a short step from being a mass murderer to slaughtering space-time itself. And frankly, do we want someone around that threatens the fabric of reality?
 
2012-04-16 12:40:14 PM  

CrispFlows: McMuttons: Unfortunately no. Norway does not have the option of trying each death separately, unlike the US. There's one trial for the whole event, with a single sentence. However, see above comment about keeping him in through psychiatric evaluations.

Doesn't that encourage binge killing?


Hasn't until this guy. :) List of countries by intentional homicide rate. (new window)
 
2012-04-16 12:52:50 PM  
I was looking at the photos... is it me, or does all the furniture in the courtroom (chairs, desks, etc.) look like they are from Ikea?
 
2012-04-16 12:59:37 PM  

BeesNuts: Everyone deserves their day in court. No exceptions.


If we allow terrorists to be tried in court, then they will pass secret instructions to their honeycomb hideout to initiate a massive attack against a school, or perhaps a day care!

i651.photobucket.com

Do you want the blood of thousands of children on your hands? Do you!?
 
2012-04-16 01:15:24 PM  

Kit Fister: Frankly, regardless of what most Christjans think, Christianity has been just as violent and radical for most of its lifetime. From the beginning, once adopted, the church forced conversions and had bloody histories of burning, killing, ostracizing, and demonizing anyone that didn't agree with/convert to their belief. Look at the Crusades, the Inquisition, the burning of witches, the conversion-by-torture of many non-christian nations...

It may be unpopular to say so, but Christianity has its own violent, bloody sects that are no different.


When I accidentally got into a FB argument with some ultra-christian folks, I was informed in no uncertain terms that the core tenets of Christianity are peace and love, and the core tenets of Islam are the destruction of all that is not Islam. So, the actions of each group have no bearing on which is better than the other. Also, the crusades were just Christians taking back lands stolen by Muslims in the first place. Also, Catholics aren't real Christians, so their actions don't count. Also...

Yeah, the sonic booms off those flying goalposts nearly shattered my monitor.
 
2012-04-16 01:26:42 PM  

Millennium: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Wow, he is so screwed. Wait, this is Europe, so he'll get what, 12 years or something?

IIRC, the maximum in Norway is 21 years. Not really sure where they came up with that number.


21. Half the reason for life, the universe, and everything.
 
2012-04-16 01:38:55 PM  
The comments in the linked article can show you his thought process

Link (new window)

The person in the Article is the Grandpa of those singing sensations Prussian Blue
 
2012-04-16 01:58:30 PM  

Silly Jesus: This is a Norwegian Prison, seriously...

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x345]

A BBC article and more amazing pictures, including the tanning bed. (new window)


And yet they have a far lower recidivism rate that the US which completely abandoned rehabilitation as a goal of incanceration and went to the "Prison is supposed to be horrible, that way you won't want ot go back" model

hmmmmmm
 
2012-04-16 02:03:10 PM  
Poll

Norway has encouraged too much foreign immigration without consulting the native population.

Do you agree with this statement:

A) Not at all.
B) Somewhat.
C) I'm going to go out and kill 77 people.
 
2012-04-16 02:06:48 PM  
Stand Your Fjord!
 
2012-04-16 02:14:46 PM  

Flaming Yawn: since as you point out you basically get lodged comfortably at the government's expense for the rest of your life.



And I can tell that you farkers have never spent a single day locked up? Not one day if you think being isolated is a "good" thing. Or being in prison in Norway is somehow special. I'll bet most of you wouldn't last one week in that environment. It's hell no matter how great the amenities. It's certainly NOT what you make it out to be and it can be far worse than death IMO. You have never been so lonely as you are in their.
 
2012-04-16 02:25:20 PM  
They also showed security camera video of the central Oslo bomb blast that killed eight people, images that participants in the trial watched with ashen faces

The survivors of the bomb blast were also seen observing with ashen faces.
 
2012-04-16 02:26:12 PM  

McMuttons: Hasn't until this guy. :) List of countries by intentional homicide rate. (new window)


Holy fark, I'm going to avoid the Federation of Saint Kitts and Nevis. 100 square miles, 52 intentional murders per 100,000.

WTF?

How?! -- Why?!
 
2012-04-16 02:45:07 PM  
Based on his plea, I have to assume that all his victims were African-Norwegian.
 
2012-04-16 02:49:35 PM  

DavidVincent: Poll

Norway has encouraged too much foreign immigration without consulting the native population.

Do you agree with this statement:

A) Not at all.
B) Somewhat.
C) I'm going to go out and kill 77 people.


I am pretty sure the "native population" got to vote on the immigration policy, but if Norway haas changed from a democracy to soething else when I wasn't paying attention, my mistake.
 
2012-04-16 03:05:00 PM  
I guess they don't have a "stand your ground" law.
 
2012-04-16 03:17:49 PM  

liam76: DavidVincent: Poll

Norway has encouraged too much foreign immigration without consulting the native population.

Do you agree with this statement:

A) Not at all.
B) Somewhat.
C) I'm going to go out and kill 77 people.

I am pretty sure the "native population" got to vote on the immigration policy, but if Norway haas changed from a democracy to soething else when I wasn't paying attention, my mistake.


Then you would select A.
That was meant to be humor anyway.

But seriously,that is the great thing about democracy in The Western Nations, If you want to vote against immigration you can vote for .....actually, there are no candidates we are allowed to vote for that are against it. hmmmm.
 
2012-04-16 03:19:52 PM  
deadhomersociety.files.wordpress.com

Dad, you killed all the zombie children!

/the children were zombies?
 
2012-04-16 03:31:10 PM  
On top of this mass killer being sick in the head, we must remember the fact that America's right wing bloviators exploded with industrial grade derp over the attacks in Norway.

What twisted chain of logic did Glenn Beck use which led to his description of the Norway massacre victims on the island of Utoya as "fascists" similar to the Hitler Youth?

http://www.mediaite.com/online/too-soon-glenn-beck-compares-attacked- n orway-camp-to-%E2%80%98hitler-youth%E2%80%99/

http://www.thenation.com/blog/162287/glenn-becks-hitler-youth-slur-no r way-victims-confuses-wwii-sides
 
2012-04-16 03:36:39 PM  

rudemix: In rare cases, and this would be one, he should have been summarily executed on the spot. There is no need to hear why he did what he did, the evidence is beyond conclusive, and there is no punishment, or rehabilitation for a man who murders 70+ children. Immediate death should have been the example set. Now this tool gets a world stage for who knows how long to spout off his bullshiat which could encourage more people to attempt the same type of thing.


This!

He should be hung from gallows on the front steps of whatever the fark capital building the Norwegians have...
 
2012-04-16 04:05:53 PM  

X-Illuminati: [i769.photobucket.com image 640x480]

He killed those 23 babies and toddlers in self defense damn it!


Came here for this.
 
2012-04-16 04:07:54 PM  

Azlefty: Prussian Blue


media.tumblr.com
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grlbhvingbadly.files.wordpress.com

/taking a seat over there...
 
2012-04-16 04:39:26 PM  
Why are they wasting 10 weeks of time to prove sanity/insanity, and not just throwing him into a dungeon, and throwing away the key?
 
2012-04-16 05:49:05 PM  
This whole trial's going to be a circus.
 
2012-04-16 06:25:22 PM  
Experts have given different opinions about Breivik's sanity, which will be a factor in determining what punishment he receives if he is convicted. Options include imprisonment or confining him to a mental facility. Norway does not have the death penalty.

They put Vidkun Quisling in front of a firing squad.
Norway, when did you go soft?
 
2012-04-16 06:51:42 PM  

rudemix: In rare cases, and this would be one, he should have been summarily executed on the spot. There is no need to hear why he did what he did, the evidence is beyond conclusive, and there is no punishment, or rehabilitation for a man who murders 70+ children. Immediate death should have been the example set. Now this tool gets a world stage for who knows how long to spout off his bullshiat which could encourage more people to attempt the same type of thing.


agree with rudemix: and want to add that I suspect he is just continuing this act to try and be judged not sane enough for a trial. How about those tears he shed when they were showing exhibits? Crocodile tears or sincerely sorry? if he is sincerely sorry then he is really sane enough to understand the severity of the crimes. Or he might still really understand the severity and that still might have been fake remorse.
 
2012-04-16 07:02:27 PM  
Hang him by his testicles to dry like the cod.

;)
 
2012-04-16 08:59:11 PM  
Maybe he was thinking of Elin Krantz when he did it.


Oh wait, that was Sweden and their dieversity spokesperson...
 
2012-04-16 09:48:28 PM  

Splinshints: MyRandomName: Al sharpton is in the case.. wait no racial angle.

Wha?


Oh don't bother. MyRandomName thinks he's clever because he's noticed that Sharpton usually only speaks out on issues regarding race (and usually only in America, to boot). He thinks this is somehow an indictment against Sharpton, as well.

He won't explain how any of that has ANY bearing on the matter at hand, either.

He (MyRandomName, that is) is a clear credit to the human race.
 
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