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2012-04-16 09:16:34 AM
He better bring his A+ game to be better than his brother on SNL. Peyton killed it.
 
2012-04-16 09:23:04 AM
But Eli's commercials are mediocre most of the time, whereas Peyton's are generally excellent. Although you could also make the case that Eli's commercials give the whole cast a chance to shine, whereas Peyton's ads are all about him.
 
2012-04-16 09:23:28 AM

rudemix: He better bring his A+ game to be better than his brother on SNL. Peyton killed it.


"Why is the door open?!?! Close the door!!!
 
2012-04-16 09:25:00 AM

Arkanaut: But Eli's commercials are mediocre most of the time, whereas Peyton's are generally excellent. Although you could also make the case that Eli's commercials give the whole cast a chance to shine, whereas Peyton's ads are all about him.


His local Toyota commercials are fantastic with regards to how awkward and stiff his acting is. My gfriend and I always joke that he went to Velvet Jones' acting school ... would be fantastic if they resurrected Eddie Murphy for that.
 
2012-04-16 09:37:31 AM
'Spend time with your kids - so they don't spend it with Peyton Manning.'

/one of their best shorts EVER
 
2012-04-16 09:45:17 AM

Brakefornobody: 'Spend time with your kids - so they don't spend it with Peyton Manning.'

/one of their best shorts EVER


"I'll kill a snitch. Not sayin' I have. Not sayin' I haven't."

/ That's why he kept Marvin Harrison and his armory around for so long.
 
2012-04-16 10:34:51 AM
If it's anything like his NFL experience, he'll be awful and the episode will be a rousing success anyway.
 
2012-04-16 10:36:38 AM

Treygreen13: If it's anything like his NFL experience, he'll be awful and the episode will be a rousing success anyway.


We sure can't have an Eli Manning thread without my buddy Trey showing up to say the same basic thing he always does.

I'll save him the trouble of pointing out that he has me on ignore.
 
2012-04-16 10:45:25 AM

Treygreen13: If it's anything like his NFL experience, he'll be awful and the episode will be a rousing success anyway.


I'm not sure how anyone in this day and age can say that Eli is not good. Go by stats, go by wins, go by endorsement deals ... hell, go by whatever metric or combination of metrics you want and he's in the good range ... borderline great. He has had moments of greatness. You're allowed to not like a guy (me and John Elway for example) but your dislike of him shouldn't define his body of work (Elway is one of the greats of all time but he is still a horse toothed jackass and is always referred to as such in my house and in my parents' house).

As a Browns fan living in NYC, I would KILL to have him on my team ... and so would at least 16 other franchises. He's not flashy. He is goofy. But he is talented.
 
2012-04-16 10:49:48 AM

ksobby: As a Browns fan living in NYC, I would KILL to have him on my team ... and so would at least 16 other franchises. He's not flashy. He is goofy. But he is talented.


Didn't you hear? Throwing 9 TDs and only 1 INT in the playoffs and leading a Super Bowl-winning drive (for the second time in your career) is "awful".
 
2012-04-16 10:57:55 AM

Yanks_RSJ: ksobby: As a Browns fan living in NYC, I would KILL to have him on my team ... and so would at least 16 other franchises. He's not flashy. He is goofy. But he is talented.

Didn't you hear? Throwing 9 TDs and only 1 INT in the playoffs and leading a Super Bowl-winning drive (for the second time in your career) is "awful".


I wouldn't know ... what is this thing called "playoffs"? I've heard legends of it before and have a vague recollection of it from my youth. Unfortunately, winning drive I'm familiar with ... horse toothed jackass ...
 
2012-04-16 11:03:08 AM
Oh, just looked at Treygreen13's profile ... never mind it makes sense. I have the same irrational hatred toward Ben in Pittsburgh. The Steelers won those Super Bowls despite Ben - even if he did throw an adequate pass in the last second over the Cardinals (can't bring myself to type anything better than adequate).
 
2012-04-16 11:03:36 AM

ksobby: I'm not sure how anyone in this day and age can say that Eli is not good. Go by stats,


Ok.

Career Passer Rating: All-Time
Eli Manning - 41st

Career Passing Yards/Attempt: All Time
Eli Manning - 85th

Career Passing Yards/Completion: All-Time
Eli Manning - 145th

Career Passing Net Yards/Attempt: All-Time
Eli Manning - 29th

Career Pass Completion Percentage: All-Time
Eli Manning - 61st

Career Passes Intercepted per Attempt: All-Time
Eli Manning - 62nd

Career Pass TD Percentage: All-Time
Eli Manning - 69th

And he's gotten better. His most recent season was probably his best season ever. He's got 2 rings and he statistically far, far worse than most of the "big names" currently playing. But he's not consistent and he's as likely to be top 5 in the league in TDs as he is to lead the league in INTs. Which is why he's somewhere between Brett Favre and Carson Palmer in "throwing the ball to the other team".

My beef with the "Eli is great" argument is that the statistics show that he simply isn't. He succeeds in one primary area - he's better than average at comeback wins. And you know why he has so many come from behind wins? Because his team is generally losing because of his 1-3rd quarter play.
 
2012-04-16 11:13:27 AM

Treygreen13: If it's anything like his NFL experience, he'll be awful and the episode will be a rousing success anyway.


if it's anything like his NFL career, he'll be awful 85% of the time, but 15% of the time he'll troll Tom Brady's SNL appearance and become a folk hero
 
2012-04-16 11:16:30 AM

AdamK: Treygreen13: If it's anything like his NFL experience, he'll be awful and the episode will be a rousing success anyway.

if it's anything like his NFL career, he'll be awful 85% of the time, but 15% of the time he'll troll Tom Brady's SNL appearance and become a folk hero


That would be hilarious. Or if Brady showed up and was like, "I thought I might come ruin something you care about."
 
2012-04-16 11:22:57 AM
Well, Eli is a complete and utter retard, so not only will he fit in perfectly with the cast, but he'll also be able to relate to the only people who still waste their time with SNL. So maybe he will be more successful at this than his brother.
 
2012-04-16 11:37:14 AM

ksobby: Treygreen13: If it's anything like his NFL experience, he'll be awful and the episode will be a rousing success anyway.

I'm not sure how anyone in this day and age can say that Eli is not good. Go by stats, go by wins, go by endorsement deals ... hell, go by whatever metric or combination of metrics you want and he's in the good range ... borderline great. He has had moments of greatness. You're allowed to not like a guy (me and John Elway for example) but your dislike of him shouldn't define his body of work (Elway is one of the greats of all time but he is still a horse toothed jackass and is always referred to as such in my house and in my parents' house).

As a Browns fan living in NYC, I would KILL to have him on my team ... and so would at least 16 other franchises. He's not flashy. He is goofy. But he is talented.


As far as a straight-up trade for a starting QB, I could see all but maybe a dozen or so teams eagerly trading for him. He's a really good player and I think there's only about three guys I'd say were clearly better (Brady, Rogers, and Brees). He just hasn't had as good a career as his brother.
 
2012-04-16 11:38:36 AM
Eli doesn't always host SNL.
But when he does, he's funnier than Tom Brady.

Treygreen13: Career Passer Rating: All-Time
Eli Manning - 41st


When you consider that the Bears have had like 1300 quarterbacks in the last 50 years, I'd say that's pretty decent.
 
2012-04-16 11:40:00 AM

0Icky0: Eli doesn't always host SNL.
But when he does, he's funnier than Tom Brady.
Treygreen13: Career Passer Rating: All-Time
Eli Manning - 41st

When you consider that the Bears have had like 1300 quarterbacks in the last 50 years, I'd say that's pretty decent.


Not when it puts you at 21st amongst active QBs, behind Jason Campbell and Joe Flacco.
 
2012-04-16 11:47:24 AM

ksobby: Yanks_RSJ: ksobby: As a Browns fan living in NYC, I would KILL to have him on my team ... and so would at least 16 other franchises. He's not flashy. He is goofy. But he is talented.

Didn't you hear? Throwing 9 TDs and only 1 INT in the playoffs and leading a Super Bowl-winning drive (for the second time in your career) is "awful".

I wouldn't know ... what is this thing called "playoffs"? I've heard legends of it before and have a vague recollection of it from my youth. Unfortunately, winning drive I'm familiar with ... horse toothed jackass ...


OHHHHHH, you're a Browns fan. Then I forgive you for calling my lord and savior John Elway a horse-toothed jackass. I'll grant you horse-toothed, even.

/how is Earnest Byner these days?
//ducks
 
2012-04-16 11:50:41 AM

Treygreen13: 0Icky0: Eli doesn't always host SNL.
But when he does, he's funnier than Tom Brady.
Treygreen13: Career Passer Rating: All-Time
Eli Manning - 41st

When you consider that the Bears have had like 1300 quarterbacks in the last 50 years, I'd say that's pretty decent.

Not when it puts you at 21st amongst active QBs, behind Jason Campbell and Joe Flacco.


Romo and Rivers are 2nd and 5th respectively, just look where that's gotten them.

Anyway I'm just gonna stop here because I already know where this thread is going
 
2012-04-16 11:59:06 AM

tnpir:

OHHHHHH, you're a Browns fan. Then I forgive you for calling my lord and savior John Elway a horse-toothed jackass. I'll grant you horse-toothed, even.

/how is Earnest Byner these days?
//ducks


Damnit. Earnest Byner is at home polishing his Redskins Super Bowl ring ... THERE IS NO GOD!
 
2012-04-16 12:03:08 PM

Preferred Nomenclature: Romo and Rivers are 2nd and 5th respectively, just look where that's gotten them.

Anyway I'm just gonna stop here because I already know where this thread is going


The idea that you have to win a Super Bowl to be "good", or that winning a Super Bowl makes you "good" is an antiquated way to look at the game.

Some people are statistically good and win Super Bowls. Some people are statistically bad and win Super Bowls. And some people are statistically good and never get to the big game.

Which is why we don't talk about that scrub Barry Sanders. Or how disappointing that Dan Marino guy was. And it's the reason there's no statue of Marv Fleming welcoming you to the Hall of Fame in Canton.
 
2012-04-16 12:17:35 PM

Treygreen13:

The idea that you have to win a Super Bowl to be "good", or that winning a Super Bowl makes you "good" is an antiquated way to look at the game.

Some people are statistically good and win Super Bowls. Some people are statistically bad and win Super Bowls. And some people are statistically good and never get to the big game.

Which is why we don't talk about that scrub Barry Sanders. Or how disappointing that Dan Marino guy was. And it's the reason there's no statue of Marv Fleming welcoming you to the Hall of Fame in Canton.


You get to redraft right now with this knowledge: Would you rather Tony Romo be your QB with no Super Bowls but superior stats or would your rather Eli with two guaranteed (presupposing that these two careers are finished as of today)? Same question with Dan Marino and Eli.

/ I don't know that I have answer ... or if I do, I may be skewed since I would consider losing in a Super Bowl a victory at this point. Just want to get to one before I die. I wasn't alive for the championship in '64.
// Old man is a die hard Tribe fan ... born a year after the '48 WS - feels the same way I do.
 
2012-04-16 12:19:55 PM

Treygreen13: Preferred Nomenclature: Romo and Rivers are 2nd and 5th respectively, just look where that's gotten them.

Anyway I'm just gonna stop here because I already know where this thread is going

The idea that you have to win a Super Bowl to be "good", or that winning a Super Bowl makes you "good" is an antiquated way to look at the game.

Some people are statistically good and win Super Bowls. Some people are statistically bad and win Super Bowls. And some people are statistically good and never get to the big game.

Which is why we don't talk about that scrub Barry Sanders. Or how disappointing that Dan Marino guy was. And it's the reason there's no statue of Marv Fleming welcoming you to the Hall of Fame in Canton.


I'm only saying these things because your overall analysis of Eli tends to discredit how important he has been to the Giants, how he single-handedly carried the team for 14 weeks until the rest of the guys decided to get their shiat together, and from that point on was unbeatable.
 
2012-04-16 12:24:48 PM

ksobby: Treygreen13:

The idea that you have to win a Super Bowl to be "good", or that winning a Super Bowl makes you "good" is an antiquated way to look at the game.

Some people are statistically good and win Super Bowls. Some people are statistically bad and win Super Bowls. And some people are statistically good and never get to the big game.

Which is why we don't talk about that scrub Barry Sanders. Or how disappointing that Dan Marino guy was. And it's the reason there's no statue of Marv Fleming welcoming you to the Hall of Fame in Canton.

You get to redraft right now with this knowledge: Would you rather Tony Romo be your QB with no Super Bowls but superior stats or would your rather Eli with two guaranteed (presupposing that these two careers are finished as of today)? Same question with Dan Marino and Eli.

/ I don't know that I have answer ... or if I do, I may be skewed since I would consider losing in a Super Bowl a victory at this point. Just want to get to one before I die. I wasn't alive for the championship in '64.
// Old man is a die hard Tribe fan ... born a year after the '48 WS - feels the same way I do.


That's a silly thing to even assume at a draft. Would the Miami Dolphins win a Super Bowl with Eli Manning instead of Dan Marino? Hell no.
Would the Dallas Cowboys be a better team with a statistically worse QB? No.
 
2012-04-16 12:30:19 PM

Treygreen13:
That's a silly thing to even assume at a draft. Would the Miami Dolphins win a Super Bowl with Eli Manning instead of Dan Marino? Hell no.
Would the Dallas Cowboys be a better team with a statistically worse QB? No.


No, I was just asking which you would take: A statistically better QB knowing he wouldn't win a Super Bowl (Like Tony or Marino) or an Eli knowing you'd get two.

/ and coming out of the draft I'm guessing Miami would have taken Manning over Marino. Marino was not squeaky clean coming into the draft. There were MAJOR character concerns.
 
2012-04-16 12:32:51 PM

Preferred Nomenclature: I'm only saying these things because your overall analysis of Eli tends to discredit how important he has been to the Giants, how he single-handedly carried the team for 14 weeks until the rest of the guys decided to get their shiat together, and from that point on was unbeatable.


He single-handedly carried the team to a 9-7 season.

He had a career year last season. His numbers across the board were good. And he was good in the playoffs.

But the year before he was the worst QB in the league about throwing INTs. The worst. And over his career, he's been average or below, statistically.
 
2012-04-16 12:33:50 PM

ksobby: No, I was just asking which you would take: A statistically better QB knowing he wouldn't win a Super Bowl (Like Tony or Marino) or an Eli knowing you'd get two.


That's kind of a silly question.
 
2012-04-16 12:34:27 PM

ksobby: Treygreen13:
That's a silly thing to even assume at a draft. Would the Miami Dolphins win a Super Bowl with Eli Manning instead of Dan Marino? Hell no.
Would the Dallas Cowboys be a better team with a statistically worse QB? No.

No, I was just asking which you would take: A statistically better QB knowing he wouldn't win a Super Bowl (Like Tony or Marino) or an Eli knowing you'd get two.

/ and coming out of the draft I'm guessing Miami would have taken Manning over Marino. Marino was not squeaky clean coming into the draft. There were MAJOR character concerns.


I think any franchise would take 2 Super Bowls, even if it meant signing a guy in a wheelchair with no arms. How's the guy in the wheelchair with no arms going to win a Super Bowl? No idea, but if it was guaranteed, why not?

It's still a ridiculous premise.
 
2012-04-16 12:35:51 PM

ksobby: Marino was not squeaky clean coming into the draft. There were MAJOR character concerns.


Manning had some pretty major character concerns coming out of his draft too.
 
2012-04-16 12:52:55 PM

Yanks_RSJ: ksobby: No, I was just asking which you would take: A statistically better QB knowing he wouldn't win a Super Bowl (Like Tony or Marino) or an Eli knowing you'd get two.

That's kind of a silly question.


Ok fine. It is a hypothetical and those generally are defensible in either direction. But the question forces you to think which matters more: better career stats or rings? What should be more valued? You guys clearly think that global stats paint a better picture of a QB's worth. As a fan, I can't say that I agree. Don't think there will ever be an answer to this ... so I'm going to go back to making snarky comments about the Donkeys and how hopefully Pontius Elway gets smote for trading away the savior (not that I like Tebow but I do like the idea of Jesus Christ Superstar being played out in Denver uniforms and the dude from Deep Purple playing Tebow and Mark Jackson leaving ESPN to play Judas).

beantowndog: ksobby: Marino was not squeaky clean coming into the draft. There were MAJOR character concerns.

Manning had some pretty major character concerns coming out of his draft too.


He did? Didn't know that part. Other than daddy messing with the draft. But I don't remember drug use and hidden injuries and a possible payment. I know Peyton apparently harassed some staff at one point or something similar. I'll do a little research on Eli. If that's the case, I stand corrected.
 
2012-04-16 01:00:41 PM

Treygreen13: Preferred Nomenclature: I'm only saying these things because your overall analysis of Eli tends to discredit how important he has been to the Giants, how he single-handedly carried the team for 14 weeks until the rest of the guys decided to get their shiat together, and from that point on was unbeatable.

He single-handedly carried the team to a 9-7 season.

He had a career year last season. His numbers across the board were good. And he was good in the playoffs.

But the year before he was the worst QB in the league about throwing INTs. The worst. And over his career, he's been average or below, statistically.


Yeah, indeed he carried the league's worst running attack, an aging offensive line, and a bottom tier defense. And won the division beating the 8-8 Cowboys twice.

Last year his receivers were bumping up passes like they were playing volleyball.

I'm not gonna bother trying to change your mind on the subject, I just think at this point he has established himself as a pretty damn good player
 
2012-04-16 01:01:54 PM

tnpir: ksobby: Yanks_RSJ: ksobby: As a Browns fan living in NYC, I would KILL to have him on my team ... and so would at least 16 other franchises. He's not flashy. He is goofy. But he is talented.

Didn't you hear? Throwing 9 TDs and only 1 INT in the playoffs and leading a Super Bowl-winning drive (for the second time in your career) is "awful".

I wouldn't know ... what is this thing called "playoffs"? I've heard legends of it before and have a vague recollection of it from my youth. Unfortunately, winning drive I'm familiar with ... horse toothed jackass ...

OHHHHHH, you're a Browns fan. Then I forgive you for calling my lord and savior John Elway a horse-toothed jackass. I'll grant you horse-toothed, even.

/how is Earnest Byner these days?
//ducks


Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, NFL smack-talk. I miss it so much.
 
2012-04-16 01:03:02 PM

ksobby: Oh, just looked at Treygreen13's profile ... never mind it makes sense. I have the same irrational hatred toward Ben in Pittsburgh. The Steelers won those Super Bowls despite Ben - even if he did throw an adequate pass in the last second over the Cardinals (can't bring myself to type anything better than adequate).


Treygreen's just not a happy camper. Then again, one wouldn't be when you have Tony Romo as your starting QB.
 
2012-04-16 01:16:16 PM

ksobby: You guys clearly think that global stats paint a better picture of a QB's worth. As a fan, I can't say that I agree.


I think looking at personal stats removes much of the variance that occurs with the success attributed to a player from playing a team sport.

When Eli Manning (or Dan Marino) takes the field, there are 21 other people on the field at the same time, and both teams consist of 50+ players that might see the field for varying amounts of time. So instead of trying to glean how successful a QB is based on how he performed with 100 other guys influencing the game, you look at how good he is at actually throwing the ball by looking at his statistics to isolate his particular contribution. And last season he was good, but over his career he hasn't been average or below.

Of course, personal stats do have some variance based on receivers, defensive pressure, field position, etc. So you can never remove the variables like, for example, how Sam Bradford was drilling receivers in the hands for the first 8 games of last season and the entire WR corps shiat the bed on him. But it helps to look at stats rather than the number of wins, especially considering that Eli isn't even on the field for half the game.

It's the same reason we have detailed stats about baseball pitchers. Take, for example, Yu Darvish. Rangers baseball team's new Japanese sensation.

He's had 2 starts and his team won both. His last start in 5.2 innings he allowed 9 hits, walked 4, loaded the bases 3 times, and has a WHIP of 2.2. But he only allowed 1 run. So if you look at the box score, you see Darvish: 1 ER, Rangers win. But Yu was awful and if the Rangers don't slug 6 runs out of the park we're talking about how bad he was. Which is why it's silly to take a player's performance and assign a binary "win or loss" to it and then claim they're as good as that W or L stat.

If you want to look at how good a player is, you look at their body of work as a whole. You see how they are every day. You see how they do in certain situations and you can guess how they will do, on average, in that situation. A player can get better and you can see a trend increasing for them, and Eli's trend is going up. But that's why we keep stats - so we don't just judge anyone in any position on the outcome of the game, but rather how they contributed.
 
2012-04-16 01:20:06 PM

Preferred Nomenclature: I'm not gonna bother trying to change your mind on the subject, I just think at this point he has established himself as a pretty damn good player


I disagree. Let's see another season. Any player varying from "one of the best" to "one of the worst" from season to season isn't a "damn good" player yet. His most recent season was "damn good", though. Can we agree that he had a "damn good" season instead of trying to paint that one season as indicative of his whole career and total ability?

Rwa2play: reygreen's just not a happy camper. Then again, one wouldn't be when you have Tony Romo as your starting QB.


So strange how any time Eli comes up, it's automatically back to Tony Romo. Why are you talking about him? I haven't mentioned him at all.

/tony is #2 all-time in QB Rating
//so I am happy having him, yes
 
2012-04-16 01:22:03 PM

ksobby: beantowndog: ksobby: Marino was not squeaky clean coming into the draft. There were MAJOR character concerns.

Manning had some pretty major character concerns coming out of his draft too.

He did? Didn't know that part. Other than daddy messing with the draft. But I don't remember drug use and hidden injuries and a possible payment. I know Peyton apparently harassed some staff at one point or something similar. I'll do a little research on Eli. If that's the case, I stand corrected


What is this I don't even.
 
2012-04-16 01:27:11 PM

ksobby: and coming out of the draft I'm guessing Miami would have taken Manning over Marino. Marino was not squeaky clean coming into the draft. There were MAJOR character concerns.


No kidding? I don't remember ever hearing that. What were they?
 
2012-04-16 01:31:15 PM

Treygreen13: Preferred Nomenclature: I'm only saying these things because your overall analysis of Eli tends to discredit how important he has been to the Giants, how he single-handedly carried the team for 14 weeks until the rest of the guys decided to get their shiat together, and from that point on was unbeatable.

He single-handedly carried the team to a 9-7 season.

He had a career year last season. His numbers across the board were good. And he was good in the playoffs.

But the year before he was the worst QB in the league about throwing INTs. The worst. And over his career, he's been average or below, statistically.


That's what I'm talking about! Who the hell cares what he did this year with top five QB stats and a ring? It's all about the year before. All you guys need to do is give a little bit of grudging respect to his improvements this year and you open the door to move farther away from the bad things he's done in the past. It's like Romo. That guy can never win enough, have good enough stats, or win enough rings to take the stank off all his previous failings, including schlubbing FG holds and crying about it. This is the NFL, Ladies! It isn't some Janey Jackson-esque what have you done for me lately, it's more what did you do two seasons ago?
 
2012-04-16 01:37:57 PM

tnpir: ksobby: and coming out of the draft I'm guessing Miami would have taken Manning over Marino. Marino was not squeaky clean coming into the draft. There were MAJOR character concerns.

No kidding? I don't remember ever hearing that. What were they?


There were rumors he was on coke.
 
2012-04-16 01:38:32 PM

rudemix: Treygreen13: Preferred Nomenclature: I'm only saying these things because your overall analysis of Eli tends to discredit how important he has been to the Giants, how he single-handedly carried the team for 14 weeks until the rest of the guys decided to get their shiat together, and from that point on was unbeatable.

He single-handedly carried the team to a 9-7 season.

He had a career year last season. His numbers across the board were good. And he was good in the playoffs.

But the year before he was the worst QB in the league about throwing INTs. The worst. And over his career, he's been average or below, statistically.

That's what I'm talking about! Who the hell cares what he did this year with top five QB stats and a ring? It's all about the year before. All you guys need to do is give a little bit of grudging respect to his improvements this year and you open the door to move farther away from the bad things he's done in the past. It's like Romo. That guy can never win enough, have good enough stats, or win enough rings to take the stank off all his previous failings, including schlubbing FG holds and crying about it. This is the NFL, Ladies! It isn't some Janey Jackson-esque what have you done for me lately, it's more what did you do two seasons ago?


OR, we could look at a player's entire career. And his stats. Instead of trying to boil every player's ability down to one particular moment or stretch of games.
But whatever, do it your way.
 
2012-04-16 01:56:55 PM

Treygreen13: Preferred Nomenclature: I'm not gonna bother trying to change your mind on the subject, I just think at this point he has established himself as a pretty damn good player

I disagree. Let's see another season. Any player varying from "one of the best" to "one of the worst" from season to season isn't a "damn good" player yet. His most recent season was "damn good", though. Can we agree that he had a "damn good" season instead of trying to paint that one season as indicative of his whole career and total ability?


I think we're just gonna have to agree to disagree, my man
 
2012-04-16 01:58:03 PM

Preferred Nomenclature: Treygreen13: Preferred Nomenclature: I'm not gonna bother trying to change your mind on the subject, I just think at this point he has established himself as a pretty damn good player

I disagree. Let's see another season. Any player varying from "one of the best" to "one of the worst" from season to season isn't a "damn good" player yet. His most recent season was "damn good", though. Can we agree that he had a "damn good" season instead of trying to paint that one season as indicative of his whole career and total ability?


I think we're just gonna have to agree to disagree, my man


Fair enough. I'm off to lunch. See ya in another thread.
 
2012-04-16 02:01:48 PM

Treygreen13: Preferred Nomenclature: I'm not gonna bother trying to change your mind on the subject, I just think at this point he has established himself as a pretty damn good player

I disagree. Let's see another season.


Riiiiiiiiiiiiight; because winning the Super Bowl MVP twice isn't good enough for you.

Rwa2play: reygreen's just not a happy camper. Then again, one wouldn't be when you have Tony Romo as your starting QB.

So strange how any time Eli comes up, it's automatically back to Tony Romo. Why are you talking about him? I haven't mentioned him at all.


So why did you shift the conversation to "Eli's not that good" in the first place?

//so I am happy having him, yes

Really? Doesn't sound like it.
 
2012-04-16 02:02:46 PM

rudemix: That's what I'm talking about! Who the hell cares what he did this year with top five QB stats and a ring? It's all about the year before. All you guys need to do is give a little bit of grudging respect to his improvements this year and you open the door to move farther away from the bad things he's done in the past. It's like Romo. That guy can never win enough, have good enough stats, or win enough rings to take the stank off all his previous failings, including schlubbing FG holds and crying about it. This is the NFL, Ladies! It isn't some Janey Jackson-esque what have you done for me lately, it's more what did you do two seasons ago?


Grudging respect, sure. Saying he's better than his brother? No way.

There's probably around 20 teams who'd rather have Eli Manning than whomever they have at quarterback. There's probably about 5 or 6 who'd rather keep their guy, and about 4-5 who honestly wouldn't care either way.
 
2012-04-16 02:03:27 PM

Rwa2play: Riiiiiiiiiiiiight; because winning the Super Bowl MVP twice isn't good enough for you.


Didn't deserve either of 'em - the defense was the only squad that performed at an MVP-caliber level, especially in 2007.
 
2012-04-16 02:09:09 PM

IAmRight: Rwa2play: Riiiiiiiiiiiiight; because winning the Super Bowl MVP twice isn't good enough for you.

Didn't deserve either of 'em - the defense was the only squad that performed at an MVP-caliber level, especially in 2007.


Granted, one or more members of that awesome D deserved it 2007. Then again, he *did* throw key completions when it counted in both games.
 
2012-04-16 02:18:34 PM
How bout we get back to the issue at hand and speak of the greatness that was Peyton's United Way spot.

"COPS! Every man for themselves!"
 
2012-04-16 02:22:59 PM

tnpir: ksobby: and coming out of the draft I'm guessing Miami would have taken Manning over Marino. Marino was not squeaky clean coming into the draft. There were MAJOR character concerns.

No kidding? I don't remember ever hearing that. What were they?


"Marino's selection status in the 1983 NFL Draft plummeted after a subpar senior season at Pitt, rumors of drug use[6] and rumors that knee injuries (resulting in four knee surgeries) were hampering his mobility. Five other quarterbacks (Ken O'Brien, Tony Eason, Todd Blackledge and Hall of Famers Jim Kelly and John Elway) were drafted ahead of him." ~ from Wikipedia

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