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2012-04-16 04:01:09 PM  
I haven't read the thread for fear of spoilers, but I am a few missions in to my first playthrough now that the face patch has made my Shep resemble his former self. And, just like the last two, I find myself enjoying it. The ending isn't even close to in sight yet, so I figure I'll be able to weigh in sometime next week or something. I have, however, enjoyed the hell out of multiplayer, since it's allowing me to enjoy all of the classes without the need to do a full run of the game (someone should have told me Engineer was so awesome before I went Vanguard)!

BUT! As far as DLC endings, I know that Prince of Persia (2008) tried to do an epilogue as DLC. And it did hint at the next turn that story would take, it undercut the original not-so-happy ending (especially by setting up a sequel we never got).
 
2012-04-16 04:18:20 PM  

imontheinternet: Kanemano: in the 80's games didn't have endings, they just got harder and harder until you died, kind of like life

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I heard they're coming out with that for the Wii! Do you think my local Game Stop will have it?

/Should I call them?
 
2012-04-16 04:21:08 PM  

Kanemano:
in the 80's games didn't have endings, they just got harder and harder until you died, kind of like life


"If anybody wants to see, there's a Donkey Kong kill screen coming up. "
 
2012-04-16 04:36:53 PM  

Electriclectic: (someone should have told me Engineer was so awesome before I went Vanguard)!


Have you discovered the sheer awesomeness that is a Vanguard with maxed Charge/Nova, and an Eviscerator?

/Insanity was actually easier than Hardcore as a Vanguard, since the follow-up Nova wouldn't kill my original target, so I could use his flying body as an escape route.
//Oh, and grab the nastiest pistol you can find that'll still give you 200% cooldown, equip it with a scope, and use it as a Poor Man's Sniper Rifle. Only way to kill Banshees as a Shotgun-centric Vanguard.
 
2012-04-16 04:40:44 PM  

mikieb: imontheinternet: Kanemano: in the 80's games didn't have endings, they just got harder and harder until you died, kind of like life

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I heard they're coming out with that for the Wii! Do you think my local Game Stop will have it?

/Should I call them?


> Call Gamestop
> Ask for Battletoads
> Hear growling
> Gamestop employee is a bear
> You are a bear

FARKING GAMESTOP
 
2012-04-16 04:51:10 PM  
Anyone who REGULARLY plays video games past the age of I would say college (22ish) is a loser of the highest order. Honestly what kind of adult wants to play that shiat ("ooo I got to level 14" I can buy the magical demon sword of octopolis!!11!11"). Additionally, who hell has the time to play video games when you're an adult? Don't you have home projects, kids to raise, or hell, a life to live?

I guess it is a better release than say drinking or doing drugs, but man, I would feel like such a loser playing (key word there, kiddos) video games. I mean, if you have kids and they want to kick your butt at it for a game or two, then sure (like watching cartoons with them), but it is all sorts of creepy if you're say 36 years old with a couple kids and you log in more hours on the xbox than your kids do.


/pew pew pew
//leroy jeeenkins!!
 
2012-04-16 05:08:23 PM  
Is the ending really any worse that gordon freeman being conscripted to die and wake up when the gman needs him to?
Is it worse than mario coming back for waves of terrible one-off games that barely made it to the shelf?
Is it worse than new vegas, where no matter what you do, the cycle of violence continues and most of the characters still end up dead?
 
2012-04-16 05:11:43 PM  

Somaticasual: Is the ending really any worse that gordon freeman being conscripted to die and wake up when the gman needs him to?
Is it worse than mario coming back for waves of terrible one-off games that barely made it to the shelf?
Is it worse than new vegas, where no matter what you do, the cycle of violence continues and most of the characters still end up dead?


No, no and no. Lots of games have anti-climactic endings. I think people genuinely wanted an ending like Star Wars. A giant party with all of the characters around having a good time and everyone lauding the greatness of Shepard.
 
2012-04-16 05:13:36 PM  

Dogfacedgod: Anyone who REGULARLY plays video games past the age of I would say college (22ish) is a loser of the highest order. Honestly what kind of adult wants to play that shiat ("ooo I got to level 14" I can buy the magical demon sword of octopolis!!11!11"). Additionally, who hell has the time to play video games when you're an adult? Don't you have home projects, kids to raise, or hell, a life to live?

I guess it is a better release than say drinking or doing drugs, but man, I would feel like such a loser playing (key word there, kiddos) video games. I mean, if you have kids and they want to kick your butt at it for a game or two, then sure (like watching cartoons with them), but it is all sorts of creepy if you're say 36 years old with a couple kids and you log in more hours on the xbox than your kids do.


/pew pew pew
//leroy jeeenkins!!


I'm sure you are trolling but I can't help myself. How is gaming any worse than sitting on the couch watching mindless TV at night after the kids go to sleep?

/here is a hint, it isn't
//in fact it is more mentally engaging because it isn't passive
 
2012-04-16 05:14:52 PM  

Somaticasual: Is the ending really any worse that gordon freeman being conscripted to die and wake up when the gman needs him to?
Is it worse than mario coming back for waves of terrible one-off games that barely made it to the shelf?
Is it worse than new vegas, where no matter what you do, the cycle of violence continues and most of the characters still end up dead?


Yes, largely because most of your interactivity over three games is suddenly negated and the ending itself has plot holes.
 
2012-04-16 05:20:34 PM  

Barry McCackiner: Somaticasual: Is the ending really any worse that gordon freeman being conscripted to die and wake up when the gman needs him to?
Is it worse than mario coming back for waves of terrible one-off games that barely made it to the shelf?
Is it worse than new vegas, where no matter what you do, the cycle of violence continues and most of the characters still end up dead?

No, no and no. Lots of games have anti-climactic endings. I think people genuinely wanted an ending like Star Wars. A giant party with all of the characters around having a good time and everyone lauding the greatness of Shepard.


No, try to keep up. We wanted an ending that actually made farking sense, not one that was handed off to the delusional hobo living in the BioWare dumpster.
 
2012-04-16 05:40:40 PM  

Barry McCackiner: Dogfacedgod: Anyone who REGULARLY plays video games past the age of I would say college (22ish) is a loser of the highest order. Honestly what kind of adult wants to play that shiat ("ooo I got to level 14" I can buy the magical demon sword of octopolis!!11!11"). Additionally, who hell has the time to play video games when you're an adult? Don't you have home projects, kids to raise, or hell, a life to live?

I guess it is a better release than say drinking or doing drugs, but man, I would feel like such a loser playing (key word there, kiddos) video games. I mean, if you have kids and they want to kick your butt at it for a game or two, then sure (like watching cartoons with them), but it is all sorts of creepy if you're say 36 years old with a couple kids and you log in more hours on the xbox than your kids do.


/pew pew pew
//leroy jeeenkins!!

I'm sure you are trolling but I can't help myself. How is gaming any worse than sitting on the couch watching mindless TV at night after the kids go to sleep?

/here is a hint, it isn't
//in fact it is more mentally engaging because it isn't passive


Why are those the only two options? Paint a self-portrait, read a book, learn to play an instrument there are millions of things you can do that are productive and fun.
 
2012-04-16 06:12:49 PM  

Carth: Why are those the only two options? Paint a self-portrait, read a book, learn to play an instrument there are millions of things you can do that are productive and fun.


I'm talking about decompression time. I don't want to struggle all day at work and then come home and struggle with learning how to play an instrument. My brain can only take so much.

Unless your hyperactive like a squirrel I think most people tend to veg out for at least a few hours each day. The standard interaction is to watch TV. A newer generation is sometimes substituting that with video games. Many of the TV watchers call games childish and say things like "do something with your life" but then they continue to watch American Idol and Celebrity Dance-off while consuming calories.
 
2012-04-16 07:06:00 PM  

Dogfacedgod: Anyone who REGULARLY plays video games posts on FARK past the age of I would say college (22ish) is a loser of the highest order.




Agreed.

/FTFY, fellow trolloser
 
2012-04-16 08:20:51 PM  

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Carth: Could someone who is more into Mass Effect tell me if this "Indoctrination theory (new window)" makes sense?

It makes sense, but only by accident.

Put it this way-- when I first heard of it in my first flush of 'what the fark, please let this not be the actual ending' after having seen it, I thought to myself "Oh AWESOME, so that's why the ending is all messed up! I knew there had to be a reason why! They're probably going to sell ending DLC!"

....Then I remembered DA2 and realized that there was no way that current Bioware could have come up with a twist like that, and it was probably just due to horrible writing. And I was right.

In short; I wish the IT was true, but it's not.


Maybe it is true, though. If what this kid is saying is true, I'm a believer. A couple theories as to why The Indoctrination Theory is real (new window): "And even in November the gameplay team was still experimenting with an endgame sequence where players would suddenly lose control of Shepard's movement and fall under full reaper control. (This sequence was dropped because the GAMEPLAY MECHANIC proved too troublesome to implement alongside dialogue choices)" SO WHAT I'M GETTING FROM THIS IS THAT THE GAMEPLAY OF SHEPARD BEING INDOCTRINATED WAS SCRAPPED. NOT THE IDEA OR PLOTPOINT OF IT." -- TheGOODKyle

It wouldn't be unknown or the first time scrapped content still showed up in a game in butchered form.
 
2012-04-16 11:11:28 PM  
Would Lord of the Rings have been as critically acclaimed if in the end some until then unseen deity came down from the heavens, destroyed the One Ring, killed Sauron and all of his forces and destroyed most of Middle Earth along with it?

That's the feeling I get from the ME3 ending.
 
2012-04-16 11:47:57 PM  

jack21221: Would Lord of the Rings have been as critically acclaimed if in the end some until then unseen deity came down from the heavens, destroyed the One Ring, killed Sauron and all of his forces and destroyed most of Middle Earth along with it?

That's the feeling I get from the ME3 ending.


I prefer this interpretation of the Lord of the Rings ending in the same fashion as Mass Effect 3.
 
2012-04-17 12:26:17 AM  

jack21221: Would Lord of the Rings have been as critically acclaimed if in the end some until then unseen deity came down from the heavens, destroyed the One Ring, killed Sauron and all of his forces and destroyed most of Middle Earth along with it?

That's the feeling I get from the ME3 ending.


The warriors ghosts in RotK came close.
 
2012-04-17 12:37:50 AM  

Barry McCackiner: Somaticasual: Is the ending really any worse that gordon freeman being conscripted to die and wake up when the gman needs him to?
Is it worse than mario coming back for waves of terrible one-off games that barely made it to the shelf?
Is it worse than new vegas, where no matter what you do, the cycle of violence continues and most of the characters still end up dead?

No, no and no. Lots of games have anti-climactic endings. I think people genuinely wanted an ending like Star Wars. A giant party with all of the characters around having a good time and everyone lauding the greatness of Shepard.

Not at all. Shepard dying was fine, hell, even the random god-child giving shiatty explanations for his actions could have been fine. What pissed me off was the lack of difference.

I had replayed the first two games to set myself up for the continuation save in 3 that I wanted. When the ending I chose included every Mass Relay getting blown up, I was confused. I had done all of the quests, why was my ending so bad? Reload save, replay last 15 minutes, make a different choice. Same ending. WTF? Youtube to look at all possible endings. All the same. Once I saw that all of the endings were identical, all of the plot holes and lack of followup on what happened to any characters just started making me mad on top of feeling ripped off at the single ending that ignored all of the buildup.
 
2012-04-17 05:24:04 AM  

meyerkev: Electriclectic: (someone should have told me Engineer was so awesome before I went Vanguard)!

Have you discovered the sheer awesomeness that is a Vanguard with maxed Charge/Nova, and an Eviscerator?

/Insanity was actually easier than Hardcore as a Vanguard, since the follow-up Nova wouldn't kill my original target, so I could use his flying body as an escape route.
//Oh, and grab the nastiest pistol you can find that'll still give you 200% cooldown, equip it with a scope, and use it as a Poor Man's Sniper Rifle. Only way to kill Banshees as a Shotgun-centric Vanguard.


Banshee's are one of the most terrifying enemies i've seen in a game. Once you hear that scream you know your day is screwed. In the game, it is very frustrating. Your squad mates have no idea what to do and it can be difficult to move them around while you are also running. Unlike other enemies, you just can't sit behind a wall and shoot this thing.

Multiplayer, it's even worse. You could be having a great couple levels going where you breeze right through but the moment a banshee shows up everyone loses their shiat. You are forced to moved from defensive positions and if you are not coordinated you get swarmed by other enemies. It also takes an insane amount of hits and the narrow body and biotic charges makes it difficult to get clean shots.
 
2012-04-17 06:28:17 AM  

ActionJoe: meyerkev: Electriclectic: (someone should have told me Engineer was so awesome before I went Vanguard)!

Have you discovered the sheer awesomeness that is a Vanguard with maxed Charge/Nova, and an Eviscerator?

/Insanity was actually easier than Hardcore as a Vanguard, since the follow-up Nova wouldn't kill my original target, so I could use his flying body as an escape route.
//Oh, and grab the nastiest pistol you can find that'll still give you 200% cooldown, equip it with a scope, and use it as a Poor Man's Sniper Rifle. Only way to kill Banshees as a Shotgun-centric Vanguard.

Banshee's are one of the most terrifying enemies i've seen in a game. Once you hear that scream you know your day is screwed. In the game, it is very frustrating. Your squad mates have no idea what to do and it can be difficult to move them around while you are also running. Unlike other enemies, you just can't sit behind a wall and shoot this thing.

Multiplayer, it's even worse. You could be having a great couple levels going where you breeze right through but the moment a banshee shows up everyone loses their shiat. You are forced to moved from defensive positions and if you are not coordinated you get swarmed by other enemies. It also takes an insane amount of hits and the narrow body and biotic charges makes it difficult to get clean shots.


Kaidan(Reave) and Liara(Warp) plus you with Energy Drain as a bonus.

Reave, Warp (Combo Bomb), Energy Drain, wait 2 seconds, Warp, ChargeRoll (Combo Bomb), RUN AWAY (or better yet, Charge a mook), wait 2 seconds, 4 shots from a Carnifex, Warp, Charge (Combo Bomb), Shotgun to the face, they're dead.

Vanguards the only class I've done Insanity on so far, but on Normal, my Soldier can knock out a Banshee in a single Adrenaline Burst (Revenant is God Mode with the right upgrades), and my Infiltrator can wipe them out with 2 shots, so at that point, it's not a problem.
 
2012-04-17 08:40:34 AM  

Dimensio: I prefer this interpretation of the Lord of the Rings ending in the same fashion as Mass Effect 3.


Ha! I hadn't seen that.
 
2012-04-17 02:31:47 PM  

meyerkev: my Infiltrator can wipe them out with 2 shots, so at that point,


What level are you playing at, and what weapons, companions, and combos are you using that you can kill a banshee in two shots as an infiltrator??

I only ask because my infiltrator with her Black Widow takes a hell of a long time to take down a banshee with Garrus and Liara as companions, on insanity.
 
2012-04-17 03:10:03 PM  

mamoru: meyerkev: my Infiltrator can wipe them out with 2 shots, so at that point,

What level are you playing at, and what weapons, companions, and combos are you using that you can kill a banshee in two shots as an infiltrator??

I only ask because my infiltrator with her Black Widow takes a hell of a long time to take down a banshee with Garrus and Liara as companions, on insanity.


Normal. Sorry, thought I made that clear. I've never played anything but Vanguard before ME3, so I'm going in and trying the other classes. Might've been 3 or 4, but it was ridiculously fast compared to a Vanguard (which is 10 minutes of running in circles waiting for your squadmates to kill it).

From poking around the forums, the Viper is actually the best gun for Insanity. Here's why:

Shot does 200 damage, mook has 100 armor, 100 health. How the damage is calculated is this:

1) Shot does 100 damage to armor. Shot has 100 damage left.
2) Shot does multiplier * 100 damage to health. Shot has 0 damage left. On Normal, that modifier is 50%. On Insanity, it's 0%. So 1 shot can only peel away one layer of protection.

So since a Widow (or even Black Widow) has such a low rate of fire, and now has a damage cap, the Viper (esp. if you can make headshots, which with Concentration Mod and upgraded special ability isn't a problem even for me) suddenly becomes awesome because the lower damage is made up for the higher rate of fire.
 
2012-04-17 04:24:21 PM  
I'm not buying the pc version of the game until they fix the ending. It is just so hastily written plot hole filled piece of garbage.

Does origin do steam-like sales? I might pick it up in a year with all the dlc.

/remembers a time when games came complete.
// dlc should only be nice extras not important to gameplay
 
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