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(Forbes)   Mass Effect 3 "...provoked a bigger fan reaction than any other videogame's conclusion in history." Only EA would advertise this   ( forbes.com) divider line
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2012-04-15 03:58:13 PM  
Screw the haters. I'm going to continue playing Mass Effect 3™ for my Xbox 360™ home entertainment system, living the adventures of Commander John and/or Jane Shepard™ and doing it with both my Xbox 360 Wireless Controller™ and the Xbox 360 Kinect™ motion-controlled device. The Mass Effect 3™ captivated me like no other, as I took on the Reapers™ and looked to finish the fight. Anyone who hated Mass Effect 3™ and the incredible job done by BioWare™ (a subsidiary of Electronic Arts™) probably think Deus Ex was a good game. Hilarious. I played that game for five minutes the other night. This guy shot me in the face and I died. Yeah, that's realistic. Go play your kiddie casual console games, computer gamers. I'll be playing games on my Xbox 360™ home entertainment system.
 
2012-04-15 04:08:44 PM  
Bit of a threadjack, but since when the hell did Forbes get such a good staff of video-game journalists? I've seen some of the best writing about the whole Mass Effect 3 clusterfark on Forbes, which is not where I'd expect to see it.
 
2012-04-15 04:15:03 PM  
I was bored with Mass Effect 1 and never finished it. But I've been thinking about getting ME2. Especially since it's so cheap used. But is there a reason for that? Are there things you can only get in the game if you buy a release copy and register it first?

This whole ME3 trainwreck has me rethinking the whole idea.

May just keep playing Skyrim. Even if it's got a really annoying texture bug.
 
2012-04-15 04:16:14 PM  
To be fair ME3 was a really REALLY good game. Blew the other 2 MEs out of the park. It was just the very end that sucked so bad. So I give BIoware props for making such an excellent game AND releasing a future patch to address the complaints about the ending.
 
2012-04-15 04:18:42 PM  
Yeah, but only because Aeris doesn't die at the end.
 
2012-04-15 04:30:08 PM  

Rincewind53: Bit of a threadjack, but since when the hell did Forbes get such a good staff of video-game journalists? I've seen some of the best writing about the whole Mass Effect 3 clusterfark on Forbes, which is not where I'd expect to see it.


The quality of writing on GameSpot, IGN, Kotaku, and the other "mainstream sites" is so awful and so pathologically disingenuous (See: Any time Ashcraft writes about Japanese culture and bans those who call him out for being off-topic) that anyone who wants to get a name for themselves can step in and take it.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-04-15 04:51:11 PM  
I've seen record sleeves and CD cases that proudly quote bad reviews. Tom Lehrer and Al Stewart come to mind.
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-04-15 05:06:06 PM  
ME3 is an amazing game.

But the ending upset me. I didn't protest or any of that crap, I just didn't enjoy it. If you want to know why, EIP, as I won't spoil anything in this thread. But it was just...I dunno, it felt like they wanted to upset people, rather than actually having an ending(s) that meant something.
 
2012-04-15 05:20:35 PM  

MBK: ME3 is an amazing game.

But the ending upset me. I didn't protest or any of that crap, I just didn't enjoy it. If you want to know why, EIP, as I won't spoil anything in this thread. But it was just...I dunno, it felt like they wanted to upset people, rather than actually having an ending(s) that meant something.


They didn't explain anything. They went for the artsy fartsy ending that doesn't say what happens to all the people who fought and survived.

ME3 players had hundreds of hours of playing invested in this game. This wonderful game with incredible characters and amazing dialog and *poof* it just ends.

Also, Kaiden and Ashley are useless little whiny twits. Which was kind of a damper. I was anticipating being reunited with friends that I ended up hating becuase they were such emotionally fragile little cry babies.

But other than that, it was an awesome game.
 
2012-04-15 06:03:26 PM  
This is like trying to pick up women by telling them you ejaculate really fast and have nail fungus.

That ending pretty much obliterated everything good about the series, and utterly killed its replayability.
 
2012-04-15 06:10:19 PM  
Oh, and

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2012-04-15 06:10:29 PM  
Not one of the people calling for a change, but the ending killed the series for me. I replayed ME1 and 2 (especially 2) more times than I can remember. I have barely made it pass the training level on ME3 on the second play through.

A Fallout style "where are they now" would have been welcome, but the pasted on feeling of the ending overall is hard to recover from.

I do enjoy the multiplayer, though.
 
2012-04-15 06:13:02 PM  

Ambivalence: MBK: ME3 is an amazing game.

But the ending upset me. I didn't protest or any of that crap, I just didn't enjoy it. If you want to know why, EIP, as I won't spoil anything in this thread. But it was just...I dunno, it felt like they wanted to upset people, rather than actually having an ending(s) that meant something.

They didn't explain anything. They went for the artsy fartsy ending that doesn't say what happens to all the people who fought and survived.


It wasn't an artsy fartsy ending. It was a blatant EA DLC cash grab. 'Oh, you wanted to see what happened to all your favorite companions and what really happened to Shepard? Do you have another $20 on you?'
 
2012-04-15 06:13:02 PM  
As a guy who's just about to finish ME2 for the first time I'm really getting a kick outta this thread.

/Warcraft owned me for too damned long and I'm finally catching up to what I've missed
 
2012-04-15 06:15:11 PM  

Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired: As a guy who's just about to finish ME2 for the first time I'm really getting a kick outta this thread.


Save your $60 and don't buy ME3 unless they fix it.

If they never fix it, buy it cheaply used, play up to the part where Shepard and Anderson are sitting down talking at the end, and then turn it off and imagine your own ending from there.

Don't buy it new. Bioware deserves no more money for this bullshiat.
 
2012-04-15 06:18:56 PM  

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Don't buy it new. Bioware deserves no more money for this bullshiat.


I'm gonna replay 1 & 2 before I get 3, that way I can fix all my fark-ups. I messed up with Tali in 2 and she hates me now, which is rather unfortunate cuz she's one of my favs
 
2012-04-15 06:19:20 PM  
www.toplessrobot.com

Thank you Commander Sheppard but your princess ending is in another castle DLC
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-04-15 06:19:27 PM  

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Save your $60 and don't buy ME3 unless they fix it.

If they never fix it, buy it cheaply used, play up to the part where Shepard and Anderson are sitting down talking at the end, and then turn it off and imagine your own ending from there.

Don't buy it new. Bioware deserves no more money for this bullshiat.


Sorry but you sound like a farking moron.

The ending maybe bad, but the rest of the game is absolutely amazing. And the multiplayer is something fun you can do once you finish the game.

You never want to buy any game used nowadays, especially if they have an "Online pass". And yeah, whatever, people on Xbox Live can be morons, but there is a mute button for a reason. The multiplayer is enjoyable, and the game is well worth the 60 bucks. 30 hours or so of amazing gameplay and story telling.
 
2012-04-15 06:24:13 PM  

MBK: The ending maybe bad, but the rest of the game is absolutely amazing. And the multiplayer is something fun you can do once you finish the game.


The ending ruins the entire previous 29 hours of the game. Why should anyone reward Bioware for that sloppy trainwreck of an ending? I can't even manage the enthusiasm to replay ME2 like I was before. Why even bother when all that's waiting for you is a grimdark 'too deep for you' ending that makes no sense, in which your choices have approximately zero impact?

Also, multiplayer? Really?
 
2012-04-15 06:28:22 PM  
Damn. I've read kinder reviews for Adam Sandler's "Jack & Jill" by comparison.
 
2012-04-15 06:32:57 PM  

Ambivalence: To be fair ME3 was a really REALLY good game. Blew the other 2 MEs out of the park. It was just the very end that sucked so bad. So I give BIoware props for making such an excellent game AND releasing a future patch to address the complaints about the ending.


No they aren't. It's a ten minute cinematic to fill in some minor plot holes, they aren't changing a damn thing.
 
2012-04-15 06:35:09 PM  
I'll wait until the price drops by half and see how they "fix" the ending before making a decision.

Really, I barely got beyond the first mission in ME2. I didn't like the changes to the combat system (thermal clips) and the drastically reduced number of talents available.
 
2012-04-15 06:37:32 PM  

nmrsnr: Yeah, but only because Aeris doesn't die at the end.


Yep. Aeris dying provoked a bigger reaction, plus a better reaction. It wasn't the players protesting Square because Square didn't want to do a bit of extra work. It was compelling storytelling and a reaction to such, much like Martin in ASoIaF and his penchant for killing primary characters.
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-04-15 06:40:16 PM  

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Also, multiplayer? Really?


What is wrong with the multiplayer? I found it fun.
 
2012-04-15 06:42:31 PM  
Thought this was an interesting idea behind the ending. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZOyeFvnhiI&feature=related

Spoilers in the video obviously.
 
2012-04-15 06:42:41 PM  

MBK: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Also, multiplayer? Really?

What is wrong with the multiplayer? I found it fun.


Linking multiplayer accomplishments to single-player story progress was partially responsible for in-game decisions not affecting the ending; a player who completes a thorough playthrough of the game will be presented with the same end-game choices as will a player who completes only half of the single-player content but who increases their readiness rating through multiplayer. Additionally, one ending is unattainable without multiplayer, despite BioWare promising all endings attainable without multiplayer.
 
2012-04-15 06:44:48 PM  

MBK: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Also, multiplayer? Really?

What is wrong with the multiplayer? I found it fun.


It might be, but it's not a good enough reason to buy the game. There's lots of games out there that do it better for MUCH cheaper. There's not a single reason to buy ME3 full-price, and even if there were, that goddamn ending would negate it every single time.

The ending is a soulless void that sucks everything good and worthy out of the franchise.
 
2012-04-15 06:47:26 PM  
Could someone who is more into Mass Effect tell me if this "Indoctrination theory (new window)" makes sense?
 
2012-04-15 06:50:59 PM  
I liked the end. There I said it.

/to anyone who played Kotor you had to be surprised that they gave you that much.
 
2012-04-15 06:52:46 PM  

Carth: Could someone who is more into Mass Effect tell me if this "Indoctrination theory (new window)" makes sense?


It makes sense, but only by accident.

Put it this way-- when I first heard of it in my first flush of 'what the fark, please let this not be the actual ending' after having seen it, I thought to myself "Oh AWESOME, so that's why the ending is all messed up! I knew there had to be a reason why! They're probably going to sell ending DLC!"

....Then I remembered DA2 and realized that there was no way that current Bioware could have come up with a twist like that, and it was probably just due to horrible writing. And I was right.

In short; I wish the IT was true, but it's not.
 
2012-04-15 06:53:53 PM  

thecpt: I liked the end. There I said it.

/to anyone who played Kotor you had to be surprised that they gave you that much.


Are you talking about Kotor2 or?

I remember most of the loose ends being tied up in Kotor1.
 
2012-04-15 06:56:03 PM  
A comprehensive, if lengthy, explanation of the failure of Mass Effect 3's ending may be viewed here.
 
2012-04-15 06:59:19 PM  

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Carth: Could someone who is more into Mass Effect tell me if this "Indoctrination theory (new window)" makes sense?

It makes sense, but only by accident.

Put it this way-- when I first heard of it in my first flush of 'what the fark, please let this not be the actual ending' after having seen it, I thought to myself "Oh AWESOME, so that's why the ending is all messed up! I knew there had to be a reason why! They're probably going to sell ending DLC!"

....Then I remembered DA2 and realized that there was no way that current Bioware could have come up with a twist like that, and it was probably just due to horrible writing. And I was right.

In short; I wish the IT was true, but it's not.


Is it possible they could shoe horn it onto the current ending via DLC and play the "we intended it all along" card?
 
2012-04-15 07:00:17 PM  
I really must have played it wrong. The most allies I ever had were 4: the hispanic guy, Garrus, the AI chick, and Aria (or whatever T'soni.). For a brief time I had Tali or Geth guy. But they both died quickly.

I didn't use a saved character. Maybe that's the problem. Or was the 4 all you got this time around?
 
2012-04-15 07:01:18 PM  
SPOILER:

And in my ending absolutely everyone died.
 
2012-04-15 07:02:31 PM  

Halli: thecpt: I liked the end. There I said it.

/to anyone who played Kotor you had to be surprised that they gave you that much.

Are you talking about Kotor2 or?

I remember most of the loose ends being tied up in Kotor1.


Yeah, Kotor 2 was absolutely no pay and Kotor 1 was an ending but no matter what you chose Kotor 2 would say Revan just went in space somewhere
 
2012-04-15 07:04:30 PM  

Carth: Is it possible they could shoe horn it onto the current ending via DLC and play the "we intended it all along" card?


They could do that, but that would involve Bioware tacitly admitting their 'artistic vision' sucks.

I wouldn't bet the farm on it.
 
2012-04-15 07:05:17 PM  

Rincewind53: Bit of a threadjack, but since when the hell did Forbes get such a good staff of video-game journalists? I've seen some of the best writing about the whole Mass Effect 3 clusterfark on Forbes, which is not where I'd expect to see it.


Because the guys at Forbes are actual journalists. Pretty much no one at a video game website is actually a journalist. They're just a PR machine for publishers.
 
2012-04-15 07:06:08 PM  

Shotgun Justice: I really must have played it wrong. The most allies I ever had were 4: the hispanic guy, Garrus, the AI chick, and Aria (or whatever T'soni.). For a brief time I had Tali or Geth guy. But they both died quickly.

I didn't use a saved character. Maybe that's the problem. Or was the 4 all you got this time around?


No you could get six. Well seven with the DLC guy.
 
2012-04-15 07:07:00 PM  
I haven't played the ME series but the many links ME3 has on Fark (with 300+ comments each) do demonstrate that it is a great series that really engrossed a lot of people into its universe.

It reminds me of the Matrix, except as if all three Matrix movies were great except for the last 5 minutes of the third.
 
2012-04-15 07:07:28 PM  

Foxxinnia: Rincewind53: Bit of a threadjack, but since when the hell did Forbes get such a good staff of video-game journalists? I've seen some of the best writing about the whole Mass Effect 3 clusterfark on Forbes, which is not where I'd expect to see it.

Because the guys at Forbes are actual journalists. Pretty much no one at a video game website is actually a journalist. They're just a PR machine for publishers.


I agree. Everything I've read about ME3's ending has been on Forbes and I can't recall seeing much video game coverage to prior to this.
 
2012-04-15 07:10:35 PM  
Don't worry, they'll come up with a better ending and sell it to you as DLC.
 
2012-04-15 07:12:14 PM  

Carth: Could someone who is more into Mass Effect tell me if this "Indoctrination theory (new window)" makes sense?



As far as the story is concerned it is plausible, insofar as any conspiracy theory is plausible. But it would require a fourth installment to the series to resolve a plot twist like that, you couldn't wrap it up in a single DLC. No, I think the ending Bioware made is the ending they intended. And the ending wasn't as lame as people are making it out to be. Yes its got some plot holes, the logic behind the reapers is a little retarded, and there is no closure to the relationships with all the characters. But it does conclusively END the series.

Basically, if Bioware was going for an Indoctrination type ending intentionally, they would have left the ending far more ambiguous than it was.
 
2012-04-15 07:13:24 PM  

thecpt: Halli: thecpt: I liked the end. There I said it.

/to anyone who played Kotor you had to be surprised that they gave you that much.

Are you talking about Kotor2 or?

I remember most of the loose ends being tied up in Kotor1.

Yeah, Kotor 2 was absolutely no pay and Kotor 1 was an ending but no matter what you chose Kotor 2 would say Revan just went in space somewhere


Well that wasn't Bioware in Kotor2 so you can't really blame them.
 
2012-04-15 07:14:10 PM  

Roook: I was bored with Mass Effect 1 and never finished it. But I've been thinking about getting ME2. Especially since it's so cheap used. But is there a reason for that? Are there things you can only get in the game if you buy a release copy and register it first?

This whole ME3 trainwreck has me rethinking the whole idea.

May just keep playing Skyrim. Even if it's got a really annoying texture bug.


Yes. A bunch of random DLC, including a character and the IMO best (free) shotgun in the game for a Vanguard. Also, if you don't mind not getting his loyalty, you can waltz into Horizon rocking a Cain.
 
2012-04-15 07:14:28 PM  
Played ME3 but didn't play the others. Came across as a mediocre cover based shooter with really bad controls(seriously, let's use the X button for everything!)


Also fark EA and Bioware. I remember before Bioware sold their souls, they actually used to make good games. Now they making overhyped farking garbage like Dragon Age.
 
2012-04-15 07:16:08 PM  

Carth: Foxxinnia: Rincewind53: Bit of a threadjack, but since when the hell did Forbes get such a good staff of video-game journalists? I've seen some of the best writing about the whole Mass Effect 3 clusterfark on Forbes, which is not where I'd expect to see it.

Because the guys at Forbes are actual journalists. Pretty much no one at a video game website is actually a journalist. They're just a PR machine for publishers.

I agree. Everything I've read about ME3's ending has been on Forbes and I can't recall seeing much video game coverage to prior to this.


That's prolly BECAUSE Forbes doesn't sell ad space to EA/Bioware and the usual gamer rags do.
 
2012-04-15 07:17:07 PM  
Wished they would have done something with the dark matter plot from ME2, would have been like a Revelation Space meets Xellee Sequence.
 
2012-04-15 07:21:04 PM  

EvilBobRoss: Wished they would have done something with the dark matter plot from ME2, would have been like a Revelation Space meets Xellee Sequence.


The dark matter plot WAS going to be a key element to the resolution of the series, but then the writer who came up with it got moved to The Old Republic, then quit.

What I've seen online, basically the dark energy was going to be the real threat that would wipe out all life in the galaxy, and the only option that would guarantee survival for the galaxy would be to surrender to the Reapers.
 
2012-04-15 07:23:17 PM  

Shotgun Justice: I really must have played it wrong. The most allies I ever had were 4: the hispanic guy, Garrus, the AI chick, and Aria (or whatever T'soni.). For a brief time I had Tali or Geth guy. But they both died quickly.

I didn't use a saved character. Maybe that's the problem. Or was the 4 all you got this time around?


Well, there's 6 + DLC. Liara, Garrus, Edi, and Vega to start, Virmire Survivor walks up about halfway through unless you shoot them, Tali shows up late and may jump off a cliff, and of course Mr. Loredump for $10 (which despite my rage over the loredump character being Day 1 DLC, is actually a pretty good DLC, and I'm quite happy I got it).

It's entirely possible to only have Liara, Edi, and Vega running around by the end of the game (if Garrus bit it in ME2).

/Also, if you haven't played it, Not-Mordin is fantastic, and Not - Legion is quite interesting. Everyone else sucks or doesn't exist.
//Ok, not-Grunt was kinda good.
 
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