Tatsuma: There was not thing such as an arab 'palestinian people' a hundred years ago. The only people who were called 'palestinians' then were Jews. The Arabs who are now called palestinians were originally Egyptians, Syrians and Jordanians who moved in the area in the last 150 years and did not have any sort of link whatsoever with this area, or a separate identity from the rest of the surrounding countries.

Also, how about you let us decide who is Jewish and who is not, you arrogant little twerps?

In the same way Israeli's decide who is Palestinian?

casual disregard: Yes, I agree that you need "two sides willing to make peace" (actually it's more than two sides in this case). At some point you have to see the recurring wounds in your antagonists. At some point you have to be the one to heal it. On some level, this is an eternal blood-feud. The winners of blood-feuds are the dead ones. You both seem to be breeding quite well, though. It's farking corny, but I'd like to use the Avatar of Ultima as an example of how you could succeed here. You're not perfect, and neither are they. Don't sulk in your own insolence is my only suggestion. I can guarantee you'll be at each others' throats if you continue as you are. At some point, you have to farking flush the toilet and clean it.

The Palestinians just need to realize if they live in peace for, say, three generations and don't respond to in any way to Israel's attempts to drive them all to suicide by economic starvation, then Israel might be willing to consider to look at their options in making an effort towards considering a peace plan. But until the Palestinians don't respond to any of their actions for that long they're free to keep going as they have been. And any action by any Palestinian any where resets the clock. As does anyone posting on the internet a criticism of Isreal's policies.

Sock Ruh Tease: It's amazing how 99 comments turns to 44. That's when you know you're in a Derp Thread.

What? "Displayed 100 of 100 comments"

Fark farks around, but not like that.

Tatsuma: 75% of Gazans under 21 and have no professional experience whatsoever. There are similar numbers for the other PA citizens.

This part hurts a lot. So you've got a metric farkton of young people who have no place to go and nothing to do. It's much like an open wound being dipped repeatedly into swamp-water.

Yes, I agree that you need "two sides willing to make peace" (actually it's more than two sides in this case). At some point you have to see the recurring wounds in your antagonists. At some point you have to be the one to heal it. On some level, this is an eternal blood-feud. The winners of blood-feuds are the dead ones. You both seem to be breeding quite well, though. It's farking corny, but I'd like to use the Avatar of Ultima as an example of how you could succeed here. You're not perfect, and neither are they. Don't sulk in your own insolence is my only suggestion. I can guarantee you'll be at each others' throats if you continue as you are. At some point, you have to farking flush the toilet and clean it.

Tatsuma: also, I wonder what's the reaction on stormfront and other such websites

I don't wonder any such thing. fark them genuinely. Let them yell and shout as loud as possible so we can all know who they are and whose businesses we will not support.

Tatsuma: 1) Clear cassus belli

Now there I wonder. I don't recall any moment in USA history where a simple massing of troops provoked the other armies to attack us. What if you had held your fire? What if it had degenerated into a victorless cold war? I don't normally like what ifs, and my personal belief is that Israel exists and has existed for decades and shall continue to exist. I can't help but wonder what if, though, in this case.

So now set aside all of the history and all of the supposition. It's meaningless, it's gone. My USA killed hundreds of thousands of natives and drove them from their lands. I hate that fact, but it is reality. Germany killed millions of Jews and drove them from their homes; that's a pretty crappy history, but it's real. Knowing all of that, how does Israel confront the obvious enmity on the ground and convert it into a livable future for everyone? Not just for Jews, but for Arabs and for Druze and for Copts and for Catholics and for Magians and for Animists and so forth. What's the real fix? A hard line in the sand is a call to war. We've been there. We've done that. What now?

Tatsuma: No, because the land was sold to them.

Is that why the IDF said the settlement was illegal?

Wolf_Blitzer: Exactly right. Now who's swapping reality for fantasies.

Eh. You're talking to a guy who thinks that Israel has the right given to them by God to attack all their neighbors to reestablish the "original" boarders of Israel but is too much of a coward himself to serve in the IDF.

"The real issue here is not what America wants, but what does Israel want,"

Hasn't that always been the case?

GAT_00: I don't think it should, but that has nothing to do with Israel. I'm pretty sure the only possible solution since both claim it is to make Jerusalem an open city, controlled by the UN.

And should the UN take over Kashmir? What about Kurdistan? Cyprus? Tibet?