Tatsuma: Mrtraveler01: Is that why they kick Arabs out of their homes to bulldoze them and build a settlement on top of them?

Can you please show me when is the last time that happened, please?

Let me see if I can find a more current one (new window)

glaurunge: Eshkar: glaurunge: Eshkar: I have an idea... why don't we let the country that won the city after being attacked on all sides and still came out the victor keep it... oh wait there is only one country asking for it (and they already own it).

Unfortunately, war doesn't go by the rules of "finders keepers."

Really? Last time I checked it did.

Then maybe you should go back to the middle ages. Back when the victors also got to rape and pillage and such too.

Well lets try your retarded logic for a minute, so lets give Jerusalem back to the nation Israel recaptured it from... that would be Jordan. Lets put all of these poor 'Palestinians' in the hands of the Jordanians who put them in 'refugee' camps and treat them like shiat and refuse them citizenship... even though over 70% of their population is made up of peoples that identify as 'Palestinian". On the other hand Israel grants those in Jerusalem with full Israeli Citizenship (and voting rights) and allow them to live peaceful life's; and who a majority have already stated they wouldn't give up their Israeli citizenship for 'Palestinian' citizenship... hmmm

HITLER! Das fran HITLER!!

Oh wait I got it. It's a State's right's thing, isn't it?

Tatsuma: Mrtraveler01: Is that why they kick Arabs out of their homes to bulldoze them and build a settlement on top of them?

Can you please show me when is the last time that happened, please?

NPR did a story a few weeks ago, interviewing both the arabs who lost the house and the jews who'd basically stolen it from them. No bulldozing though, just a plain land steal when the arab family left to visit relatives.

Tatsuma: Wolf_Blitzer: Israel struck first in 1967.

Israel struck first, after a clear cassus belli that made it absolutely legitimate for Israel to do so (as Arab armies were massed on the borders and getting ready to attack themselves)

Romans destroyed your temple and your civilization

Now you use their phrases

Satanic_Hamster: Eshkar: glaurunge: Eshkar: I have an idea... why don't we let the country that won the city after being attacked on all sides and still came out the victor keep it... oh wait there is only one country asking for it (and they already own it).

Unfortunately, war doesn't go by the rules of "finders keepers."

Really? Last time I checked it did.

Oh, wow. Sorry, thought you weren't trolling or an idiot.

Looking at your profile, that's a pretty old troll account. Tatsuma bringing out a spare? Can't remember the liam account password?

nln

Tatsuma: Mrtraveler01: Let me see if I can find a more current one (new window)

They did not 'kick Arabs out of their homes', they kicked out squatters from buildings that were owned by others.

Where in the article did it say they were squatters.

Eshkar: glaurunge: Eshkar: glaurunge: Eshkar: I have an idea... why don't we let the country that won the city after being attacked on all sides and still came out the victor keep it... oh wait there is only one country asking for it (and they already own it).

Unfortunately, war doesn't go by the rules of "finders keepers."

Really? Last time I checked it did.

Then maybe you should go back to the middle ages. Back when the victors also got to rape and pillage and such too.

Well lets try your retarded logic for a minute, so lets give Jerusalem back to the nation Israel recaptured it from... that would be Jordan. Lets put all of these poor 'Palestinians' in the hands of the Jordanians who put them in 'refugee' camps and treat them like shiat and refuse them citizenship... even though over 70% of their population is made up of peoples that identify as 'Palestinian". On the other hand Israel grants those in Jerusalem with full Israeli Citizenship (and voting rights) and allow them to live peaceful life's; and who a majority have already stated they wouldn't give up their Israeli citizenship for 'Palestinian' citizenship... hmmm

Jordan renounced any claim to the West Bank years ago.

elchip: Tatsuma: Wolf_Blitzer: Israel struck first in 1967.

Israel struck first, after a clear cassus belli that made it absolutely legitimate for Israel to do so (as Arab armies were massed on the borders and getting ready to attack themselves)

Romans destroyed your temple and your civilization

Now you use their phrases

"The people called Romaines, they go the house"?

Wolf_Blitzer: Eshkar: Wolf_Blitzer: Eshkar: Wolf_Blitzer: Eshkar: I have an idea... why don't we let the country that won the city after being attacked on all sides and still came out the victor keep it... oh wait there is only one country asking for it (and they already own it).

Israel struck first in 1967.

your point?

My point is that you're an idiot.

Being 'attacked' does not indicate who attacked first, Attack: "to set upon in a forceful, violent, hostile, or aggressive way, with or without a weapon" You can still attack after being attacked. So yeah evidently it is you that the idiot... though I perfer the term dumb ass... Dumb Ass

So by your logic, the Japanese were justified in WW2, because the US shot back at Pearl Harbor. Astounding.

Wow trying to reach with that faulty logic to twist mine there aren't we? You didn't stick the landing on that poorly executed logic circle...

Mrtraveler01: Tatsuma: Mrtraveler01: Let me see if I can find a more current one (new window)

They did not 'kick Arabs out of their homes', they kicked out squatters from buildings that were owned by others.

Where in the article did it say they were squatters.

The article didn't have to. Israelis decided they wanted something, so they decided they must already own it, and therefore anyone who is already there is squatting.

Tatsuma: elchip: Romans destroyed your temple and your civilization

Yeah, well where are the Romans today?

They're dead but a lot of their descendants live in Italy. They just don't call themselves 'Romans' any more.

glaurunge: Eshkar: glaurunge: Eshkar: glaurunge: Eshkar: I have an idea... why don't we let the country that won the city after being attacked on all sides and still came out the victor keep it... oh wait there is only one country asking for it (and they already own it).

Unfortunately, war doesn't go by the rules of "finders keepers."

Really? Last time I checked it did.

Then maybe you should go back to the middle ages. Back when the victors also got to rape and pillage and such too.

Well lets try your retarded logic for a minute, so lets give Jerusalem back to the nation Israel recaptured it from... that would be Jordan. Lets put all of these poor 'Palestinians' in the hands of the Jordanians who put them in 'refugee' camps and treat them like shiat and refuse them citizenship... even though over 70% of their population is made up of peoples that identify as 'Palestinian". On the other hand Israel grants those in Jerusalem with full Israeli Citizenship (and voting rights) and allow them to live peaceful life's; and who a majority have already stated they wouldn't give up their Israeli citizenship for 'Palestinian' citizenship... hmmm

Jordan renounced any claim to the West Bank years ago.

Well then the only Country with a legitimate claim is Israel.

Tatsuma: Eshkar: nln

do you not know I am half of fark?

lol, that was my short hand for flipping him off for calling me a troll... I guess I am a troll because I have the ability to read and understand facts and filter out propaganda.

Tatsuma: glaurunge: They're dead but a lot of their descendants live in Italy. They just don't call themselves 'Romans' any more.

The Romans as a people have completely stopped to exists. We thrive and are back in our land.

Who's laughing now, Titus?

No they haven't. They're like the Jews would be today if they all got amnesia.

Tatsuma: The Romans as a people have completely stopped to exists. We thrive and are back in our land.

Yeah, except you are not the same people the romans kicked out. Ashkenazim, betas, sephardim, etc are the descendants of the original israelis, just like present-day italians are the descendants of the romans, but the original israelis no longer exist.

Tatsuma: That... is a plot twist I had not foreseen.

I still believe that its either

1) to deflect accusations of anti-semitism and association with white supremacists
2) trying to reach out to the evangelical crowd
3) both of those reasons

I have a hard time thinking that he truly believes that. Or he's being sly and saying it should be Israel's capital because it's Israel's right to make it so, and also simultaneously believe Israel has not right to exist in the first place.

But then again this assumes that Paul cares about either Israelis or Palestinians. He is centred completely around America.

Uncle Tractor: Tatsuma: The Romans as a people have completely stopped to exists. We thrive and are back in our land.

Yeah, except you are not the same people the romans kicked out. Ashkenazim, betas, sephardim, etc are the descendants of the original israelis, just like present-day italians are the descendants of the romans, but the original israelis no longer exist.

Exactly right. Now who's swapping reality for fantasies.

thoughtless: He is centred completely around America.

Ron Paul is centered around no one but Ron Paul.

Tatsuma: glaurunge: No they haven't. They're like the Jews would be today if they all got amnesia.

... you have no idea what you are talking about.

Admit it. Patriotism and Nationalism are just collective delusions that people willingly buy into.

Smackledorfer: Mrtraveler01: Tatsuma: Mrtraveler01: Let me see if I can find a more current one (new window)

They did not 'kick Arabs out of their homes', they kicked out squatters from buildings that were owned by others.

Where in the article did it say they were squatters.

The article didn't have to. Israelis decided they wanted something, so they decided they must already own it, and therefore anyone who is already there is squatting.

I wonder if Tats would think these guys are squatters too? (new window)

Wolf_Blitzer: Exactly right. Now who's swapping reality for fantasies.

Eh. You're talking to a guy who thinks that Israel has the right given to them by God to attack all their neighbors to reestablish the "original" boarders of Israel but is too much of a coward himself to serve in the IDF.

Tatsuma: We are the literal descendent of the Israelis, we have kept our identity as such, we have kept our culture and all of our links to our forefathers.

Most Jews keep their identity as such and culture and links to your forefathers without 1940s-style ethnic cleansing.

Tatsuma: Wolf_Blitzer: Exactly right. Now who's swapping reality for fantasies.

It's absolutely not comparable.

We are the literal descendent of the Israelis, we have kept our identity as such, we have kept our culture and all of our links to our forefathers.

The same can absolutely not be said about Italians versus Romans.

Hebrew was as dead a language as Latin for over a thousand years. Once again, historical revisionism.

Tatsuma: No, because the land was sold to them.

Is that why the IDF said the settlement was illegal?

Satanic_Hamster: Wolf_Blitzer: Exactly right. Now who's swapping reality for fantasies.

Eh. You're talking to a guy who thinks that Israel has the right given to them by God to attack all their neighbors to reestablish the "original" boarders of Israel but is too much of a coward himself to serve in the IDF.

I know, but its much the same as dealing with Fark's resident creationist, or the global warming denialist crew. You're not going to convince them of anything, but in a public forum its important to confront them on their reactionary nonsense, for the sake of those reading.

Tatsuma: We thrive and are back in our land.

"Israel -- an unprecedented success story"

Tatsuma: Mrtraveler01: I wonder if Tats would think these guys are squatters too? (new window)

No, because the land was sold to them.



But if a group of Israelis were to ch'vs illegally invade the private property of Arabs and declare it a new settlement, I would absolutely oppose this, yes.

Sold to them, maybe. However that doesn't mean it becomes a part of Israel.

Tatsuma: Mrtraveler01: They do have a legit claim to one half of it (the Western half), it's just they also think the Eastern half is theirs too and try to drive out the people that live there (Palestinians) so they can build more settlements for the Israeli's to move to.

Kinda dickish if you ask me.

and this is also exactly the position of the other side.

Neither Jews nor Arabs want the city to be partitioned. Heck, even the Arabs who actually live in Jerusalem have poll after poll showed that they'd much rather Israel stayed in control than a divided city.

Or that they'd move to the Western side if it ever came to be divided.

yeah but who is calculating the poll numbers?

Tatsuma: Wolf_Blitzer: Hebrew was as dead a language as Latin for over a thousand years. Once again, historical revisionism.

It was absolutely not a 'dead language'. Jews prayed every day in Hebrew, studied every day in Hebrew, wrote books in Hebrew, and anywhere we went we ended up creating a mix of the local language and Hebrew.

The language? We speak the same language they do, and we never lost it.
The religion? The same.
Laws and ethical worldview? The same.
Location? The same.
Capital? The same.
Currency? The same (name).
Holidays? The same

and the list goes on and on and on. This can absolutely not be said of the relationship between the Romans and Italians.

But when you guys are asleep and unconscious, what difference is there?

And thanks once again for another episode of 'Nothing Israel has ever done is wrong!' Tatsuma as always is our deranged guest unable to admit any wrongdoing in anything.

Just to interject here, I hope that Dr. Paul, that irrelevant, hypocritical son of a billy goat and father of another, will take the next opportunity he has to leave this Presidential race and take a new job as commentator on the Alex Jones show or whatever it is that senile cranks do nowadays after they retire from politics.

Tatsuma: also, I wonder what's the reaction on stormfront and other such websites

I don't wonder any such thing. fark them genuinely. Let them yell and shout as loud as possible so we can all know who they are and whose businesses we will not support.

Tatsuma: 1) Clear cassus belli

Now there I wonder. I don't recall any moment in USA history where a simple massing of troops provoked the other armies to attack us. What if you had held your fire? What if it had degenerated into a victorless cold war? I don't normally like what ifs, and my personal belief is that Israel exists and has existed for decades and shall continue to exist. I can't help but wonder what if, though, in this case.

So now set aside all of the history and all of the supposition. It's meaningless, it's gone. My USA killed hundreds of thousands of natives and drove them from their lands. I hate that fact, but it is reality. Germany killed millions of Jews and drove them from their homes; that's a pretty crappy history, but it's real. Knowing all of that, how does Israel confront the obvious enmity on the ground and convert it into a livable future for everyone? Not just for Jews, but for Arabs and for Druze and for Copts and for Catholics and for Magians and for Animists and so forth. What's the real fix? A hard line in the sand is a call to war. We've been there. We've done that. What now?

GAT_00: I don't think it should, but that has nothing to do with Israel. I'm pretty sure the only possible solution since both claim it is to make Jerusalem an open city, controlled by the UN.

The Free City of Danzig really didn't work all that well.

It's amazing how 99 comments turns to 44. That's when you know you're in a Derp Thread.