That... is a plot twist I had not foreseen.

I still believe that its either

1) to deflect accusations of anti-semitism and association with white supremacists
2) trying to reach out to the evangelical crowd
3) both of those reasons

I have a hard time thinking that he truly believes that. Or he's being sly and saying it should be Israel's capital because it's Israel's right to make it so, and also simultaneously believe Israel has not right to exist in the first place.

GAT_00: I don't think it should, but that has nothing to do with Israel. I'm pretty sure the only possible solution since both claim it is to make Jerusalem an open city, controlled by the UN.

And should the UN take over Kashmir? What about Kurdistan? Cyprus? Tibet?

GAT_00: I'm pretty sure the only possible solution since both claim it is to make Jerusalem an open city, controlled by the UN.

If we evacuated everyone and turned the city into a featureless plain of irradiated glass, that would work just as well.

Can't share? Fine, no one can have it.

"The real issue here is not what America wants, but what does Israel want,"

Hasn't that always been the case?

The Yahoo comments make it all worthwhile.

/RONPAULRONPAUL

also, I wonder what's the reaction on stormfront and other such websites

glaurunge: /Tel Aviv is the cultural and economic capital of Israel
//Would you rather live and work in Albany or NYC?

Oh, please, I live in Jerusalem, and to pretend that the Tel Aviv:Jerusalem relationship is in any way similar to New York and Albany is more than ridiculous.

Mrtraveler01: Wasn't that the original plan when Israel was first created?

What happened with that?

All the surrounding nations said; 'fark no', then proceeded to declare that they were going to slaughter all the Jews and just take everything over. Then they tried.


And failed.

Eshkar: I have an idea... why don't we let the country that won the city after being attacked on all sides and still came out the victor keep it... oh wait there is only one country asking for it (and they already own it).

Does that mean we have to give Washington DC to Canada?

Wolf_Blitzer: Israel struck first in 1967.

Israel struck first, after a clear cassus belli that made it absolutely legitimate for Israel to do so (as Arab armies were massed on the borders and getting ready to attack themselves)

Wolf_Blitzer: My point is that you're an idiot.

Israel WAS being attacked on all side. If someone starts throwing a punch at you, and you manage to hit him first, that doesn't mean that you were the belligerent and attacking party.

1) Clear cassus belli
2) Troops massive in order to attack, after explicit threats of attack.

Mrtraveler01: They do have a legit claim to one half of it (the Western half), it's just they also think the Eastern half is theirs too and try to drive out the people that live there (Palestinians) so they can build more settlements for the Israeli's to move to.

Kinda dickish if you ask me.

and this is also exactly the position of the other side.

Neither Jews nor Arabs want the city to be partitioned. Heck, even the Arabs who actually live in Jerusalem have poll after poll showed that they'd much rather Israel stayed in control than a divided city.

Or that they'd move to the Western side if it ever came to be divided.

Wolf_Blitzer: The cassus belli being the closure of the Straits of Tiran by Egypt. Last I checked, Jerusaelm isn't in Egypt.

Still a cassus belli, sorry you don't understand how those work.

Also: removing all UN troops from Sinai and then massing troops at the border.

Wolf_Blitzer: You guys have been throwing this revisionist crap against the wall for 45 years now. It hasn't stuck yet.

Facts are not 'revisionist crap' unless you happen to deny reality for fantasies.

Eshkar: glaurunge: Eshkar: I have an idea... why don't we let the country that won the city after being attacked on all sides and still came out the victor keep it... oh wait there is only one country asking for it (and they already own it).

Unfortunately, war doesn't go by the rules of "finders keepers."

Really? Last time I checked it did.

Oh, wow. Sorry, thought you weren't trolling or an idiot.

Looking at your profile, that's a pretty old troll account. Tatsuma bringing out a spare? Can't remember the liam account password?

Mrtraveler01: Do those same polls also show that Israeli's want these Arabs to be a part of Israel?

Because from what I've seen, Israel wants the land but not the people who live on it.

We don't want people who simply desire the benefits of the state while simultaneously wish for the destruction of the state that provides them.

I am perfectly fine with Arabs willing to stay in Israel as long as they accept the fact that Israel is what it is, and its not gonna change. So are the overwhelming majority of israelis.

Wolf_Blitzer: Egypt commits an act of war, so you invade Jordan. I think I heard this story in 2003.

Israel begged Jordan not to get involved in this, but they joined in the war and attacked Israel. Only afterwards did Israel engage Jordan.

I was right, rejection of reality for fantasies. Pretty depressing.

Mrtraveler01: Is that why they kick Arabs out of their homes to bulldoze them and build a settlement on top of them?

Can you please show me when is the last time that happened, please?