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2012-04-15 02:15:43 AM
As one who has lived around and frequented beaches most of my life I can assure you that the biggest pain in the arse there is NOT smokers -- but friggin' EVERYBODY ELSE!

Had several absolutely lovely beaches here, including those where it seemed you were on a deserted island. No crime. You could even camp on the beaches. You could actually swim without idiot shore fishermen casting their sharp hooks among you. If you were a shore fisherman, you had many a delightfully empty spot to fish and ACTUALLY catch something.

Now, thanks to the mass influx of people, they're basically all crowded, developed dumps.

BTW, don't like potential second hand smoke while sunning yourself under the CANCEROUS sun? How about splashing in the crowded waters where roughly every other person is going to pee instead of getting out, climbing through the crowd and the sand, scrambling up the boardwalk and into the rather unsanitary or unsafe Public Restrooms?

Don't forget the kid who's gonna float a turd just for fun.

Now, if you're like many cities, your officials will more than likely have a sewer pipe -- used for street runoff -- dumping out right at a public beach. Try and imagine the interesting stuff thousands of normal folks leave on the streets to get washed down the drains: loogies, vomit, pet shiat, chewed gum, plastic bottles, blood, urine, fecal material, tons of oil and grease from vehicles and condoms.

I've never been disturbed by smokers on the beach. Admittedly, many do drop their stubs in the sand. Many also carry little ashtrays that close and fit in a pocket. However I've been disturbed by the following: drunks, guys getting all hormonal and aggressive for chicks, chicks getting all aggressive and hormonal for guys, screaming little, soggy diapered kids, screaming, running, playing groups of pre-teens, broken glass, assorted food wrapper trash, stoners and tweakers, thieves, the inevitable over muscled bully, fights, squabbles and folks wearing swim suits who have bodies that should NEVER be seen even partially nude.

Add in booming shiatty rap music and/or 'Kuntry Music', the mingled scents of sun screen, sun tan lotion, perfume, farts (which many young guys seem to do their best to outdo each other by producing loud, reeking ones) and often so many people there that you have to climb up the life guard tower to try and find a spot.

Don't go to the beaches anymore. They tend to make me a tad homicidal. That plus development has been allowed darn near right on the high tide line -- which now has some businesses considering military grade seawalls, which will wipe out any beach beyond them.

So, smokers have been the LEAST of my Frikkin' annoyances at the beach.
 
2012-04-15 02:16:21 AM

crab66: Baryogenesis: they're already stationary

Wind is not stationary and often varies in direction. Causing smoke from a stationary fire to be spread over a wide area.

Your argument does not hold up to reality.


The actions of the wind are categorically different from the actions of people.
 
2012-04-15 02:19:47 AM

Baryogenesis: crab66: Baryogenesis: they're already stationary

Wind is not stationary and often varies in direction. Causing smoke from a stationary fire to be spread over a wide area.

Your argument does not hold up to reality.

The actions of the wind are categorically different from the actions of people.


So random act of nature can piss you off, but you don't get all butthurt about it?
 
2012-04-15 02:20:17 AM

davidphogan: whidbey: But a cigarette butt? Put the sh*t in your pocket or some other designated waste receptacle. It's not demeaning to do so.

That's what I do. I'm a smoker, but the last time I can remember intentionally throwing a cigarette butt on the ground was when I was about 17. I can remember a few times when I dropped one or lost it to a gust of wind and it wasn't safe to try recovering the butt (it's happened above rivers, on busy roads and on freeway overpasses a few times), but that's rare.

At the same time, a hardcore smoker may have 4 or more cigarettes per hour. Not many alcoholics can maintain that pace as far as bottles per hour for hours at a time.


I've accidentally lost one smoke (1!) in the last few years. Otherwise I am more likely to pick up much more other crap I find while hiking or enjoying nature. If you throw down a butt, you are a litter bug, illegal. You should get a ticket. same thing for gum, pop bottles, water bottles, etc etc etc. When I go fishing, I try not to scare the fish when I approach, but after a good chance of fishing, I pick up a suprising amount of garbage, some of it is butts, but most of it is old fishing lines, old pop cans, old bait canisters. but NOOO ... smokers suck! attack! yeesh. The amount of other garbage I hauled out of good fishing places is always rather suprising, loads of garbage, but somehow it is all my fault. Yeesh.
 
2012-04-15 02:20:29 AM

Baryogenesis: Tellingthem: Should we ban all "non-essential" forms of smoke generation. Because grills,campfires,fireplaces, etc that are not necessary for things like basic cooking or heat generation because they may interfere with a persons ability to breathe clean air.

or

Since you claim that you have the right to not breathe in smoke. Then does that right apply to all "recreational" activities that entail producing smoke. Things like outdoor campfires, backyard grills (or grills at tailgates), fireplaces, or any other means or smoke production for recreational use.

Thank you for presenting your argument rationally.

Since I'm not advocating banning all smoking the answer is no we shouldn't outright ban all forms of smoke generation. There may be benefits from having camp fires and grilling in designated areas, but as I said before, they're already stationary and people who don't want to breathe the smoke can go elsewhere. They don't have that option with smokers because they can move and smoke anywhere on that public beach.


your are welcome. I still don't get why a whiff of smoke from someone walking by you annoys you that much but whatever. It sounds like an easy solution would just be to just have designated smoking areas on the beach. That way there would be no need of an outright ban because you would just know to stay away from those areas.
 
2012-04-15 02:20:34 AM

Baryogenesis: The actions of the wind are categorically different from the actions of people.


Absolutely. As powerfully as my smoker's lungs can *cough* blow smoke in your direction, they can never compete with the wind blowing smoke in your direction.
 
2012-04-15 02:20:40 AM
i would like to quit driving, but everytime the anti-combustion/emission league gets all in an uproar and starts preaching i just want burn rubber into the pews and turn cookies in their yards. why give up such a powerful tool for pissin off uptight pricks that totally deserve it?
 
2012-04-15 02:20:46 AM

Baryogenesis: crab66: Baryogenesis: they're already stationary

Wind is not stationary and often varies in direction. Causing smoke from a stationary fire to be spread over a wide area.

Your argument does not hold up to reality.

The actions of the wind are categorically different from the actions of people.


Smokers don't generally follow you around to blow smoke in your face. Unless you're an asshole.
 
2012-04-15 02:21:01 AM
EvilEgg

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2012-04-14 10:31:42 PM
Good. Nothing sucks worse than digging your toes in the sand and finding where some asshole has buried his butts.

Cigarette butts are litter and you filthy smokers deserve the same condemnation as the fatties who drop burger wrappers

As a smoker, I am considerate. I realize many people DON'T SMOKE, and if on the beach/by the pool at my Apt.
I ALWAYS have an empty beer can for Butts. I worked at an Apple store (Biltmore-Phoenix). Took a break.
chewed a breath mint (dealing with the public, hello) STILL had some biatch complain "you are a smoker I could tell
from a mile away" I'm like WTF lady?? Really?? NOBODY I asked could say I smelled like smoke.

Get a grip people there is SOO much more you should be concerned about in life.

/Sheesh
//slashies!
///Finally get to use em!!!
 
2012-04-15 02:21:12 AM

Baryogenesis: The actions of the wind are categorically different from the actions of people.


Irrelevant.


Still do what? I didn't say I wanted to ban cars.


Pollute my air with smoke.
 
2012-04-15 02:21:26 AM

Tellingthem: It sounds like an easy solution would just be to just have designated smoking areas on the beach.


Yeah, I was just thinking the same thing.
 
2012-04-15 02:22:57 AM

whidbey: Wow, so the real gripe here is the litter.

I''m convinced there is some chemical in cigarettes that makes people into thoughtless clods.

I mean, the very idea that you would want to throw a non-biodegradable piece of material onto the ground or out a car window without even thinking of it.


I think it is the taxes that make them feel entitled.

If the price of a bottle of beer was raised to $10 civilized society in this country would break down overnight.
 
2012-04-15 02:22:57 AM

Krieghund: using fireplaces on days that are too smoggy


That's the law in WA. On some days, when the air is stagnant and traps the smoke low, you can get fined for burning in a fireplace or whatever (burn ban) unless it is your only source of heat... depends on the level of the advisory, I think they can ban all burning (?) at some times.
 
2012-04-15 02:24:34 AM

Baryogenesis: Tellingthem: It sounds like an easy solution would just be to just have designated smoking areas on the beach.

Yeah, I was just thinking the same thing.


I nominate any area within two feet of your face. And your children's. Just for kicks.
 
2012-04-15 02:24:42 AM

OgreMagi: Baryogenesis: crab66: Baryogenesis: they're already stationary

Wind is not stationary and often varies in direction. Causing smoke from a stationary fire to be spread over a wide area.

Your argument does not hold up to reality.

The actions of the wind are categorically different from the actions of people.

Smokers don't generally follow you around to blow smoke in your face. Unless you're an asshole.


I never said they did, but they do walk around and they do smoke.

crab66: Pollute my air with smoke.


Which I why I support emission regulations (which are akin to smoking regulations) and the development of clean energy. Why is that hard to follow? No one is talking about banning either smoking or cars.
 
2012-04-15 02:24:57 AM

phxmke: EvilEgg

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2012-04-14 10:31:42 PM
Good. Nothing sucks worse than digging your toes in the sand and finding where some asshole has buried his butts.

Cigarette butts are litter and you filthy smokers deserve the same condemnation as the fatties who drop burger wrappers

As a smoker, I am considerate. I realize many people DON'T SMOKE, and if on the beach/by the pool at my Apt.
I ALWAYS have an empty beer can for Butts. I worked at an Apple store (Biltmore-Phoenix). Took a break.
chewed a breath mint (dealing with the public, hello) STILL had some biatch complain "you are a smoker I could tell
from a mile away" I'm like WTF lady?? Really?? NOBODY I asked could say I smelled like smoke.

Get a grip people there is SOO much more you should be concerned about in life.

/Sheesh
//slashies!
///Finally get to use em!!!


I have the good sense to not work in a job that requires me to deal with the general public, because my response to her would have been, "and you are a biatch, I could tell the moment you opened your mouth." Too many years working the Ren Faire have made me a bit too quick in the snarky response department.
 
2012-04-15 02:25:20 AM

crab66: And this is a case of liberals being just as farking stupid as conservatives usually are. And I don't even smoke.


Banning cigarette smoking outdoors is like banning people from farting. You can ban it...but it will still happen.
 
2012-04-15 02:25:58 AM

otisrelaxed: Baryogenesis: Tellingthem: It sounds like an easy solution would just be to just have designated smoking areas on the beach.

Yeah, I was just thinking the same thing.

I nominate any area within two feet of your face. And your children's. Just for kicks.


You're making a strong case for your side here.
 
2012-04-15 02:26:49 AM

Baryogenesis: OgreMagi: Baryogenesis: crab66: Baryogenesis: they're already stationary

Wind is not stationary and often varies in direction. Causing smoke from a stationary fire to be spread over a wide area.

Your argument does not hold up to reality.

The actions of the wind are categorically different from the actions of people.

Smokers don't generally follow you around to blow smoke in your face. Unless you're an asshole.

I never said they did, but they do walk around and they do smoke.

crab66: Pollute my air with smoke.

Which I why I support emission regulations (which are akin to smoking regulations) and the development of clean energy. Why is that hard to follow? No one is talking about banning either smoking or cars.


Yes, they have been talking about banning smoking. More than talking, in fact. Several cities in California have tried to ban smoking in public completely. With many apartment complexes going 100% non-smoking, it's getting more and more difficult to be left the fark alone.
 
2012-04-15 02:26:59 AM
No, subby, you have us confused for New Jersey.
 
2012-04-15 02:27:27 AM

Silent But Deadly: I've accidentally lost one smoke (1!) in the last few years. Otherwise I am more likely to pick up much more other crap I find while hiking or enjoying nature. If you throw down a butt, you are a litter bug, illegal. You should get a ticket. same thing for gum, pop bottles, water bottles, etc etc etc. When I go fishing, I try not to scare the fish when I approach, but after a good chance of fishing, I pick up a suprising amount of garbage, some of it is butts, but most of it is old fishing lines, old pop cans, old bait canisters. but NOOO ... smokers suck! attack! yeesh. The amount of other garbage I hauled out of good fishing places is always rather suprising, loads of garbage, but somehow it is all my fault. Yeesh.


Litterbugs suck. I'm all for going after people for throwing a cigarette on the ground. The only times I've done it I can recall in the past 15 years have been when trying to recover it would have involved jumping off a bridge or running into traffic, and they were all accidental.

When San Diego banned cigarettes on beaches as a cleanliness thing, I tried to think of how many times the beaches had been closed because of fecal contamination from the Tijuana River.
 
2012-04-15 02:29:49 AM

Baryogenesis: otisrelaxed: Baryogenesis: Tellingthem: It sounds like an easy solution would just be to just have designated smoking areas on the beach.

Yeah, I was just thinking the same thing.

I nominate any area within two feet of your face. And your children's. Just for kicks.

You're making a strong case for your side here.


See above. Made it. Don't bother me, and I'll gladly stay stationary fifty feet from the nearest non-smoker, and gladly pick up random butts. Make me walk a half mile to some smoking area or *cough cough* like a prick and you'll get what's in my lungs. Cause it's that or get myself arrested on assault charges.
 
2012-04-15 02:30:10 AM

OgreMagi: Yes, they have been talking about banning smoking. More than talking, in fact. Several cities in California have tried to ban smoking in public completely. With many apartment complexes going 100% non-smoking, it's getting more and more difficult to be left the fark alone.


They aren't me. I'm more inclined toward designated areas than outright bans.

For the sake of argument, why couldn't an apartment owner put a no smoking clause in his rental agreement?
 
2012-04-15 02:34:59 AM

Baryogenesis: For the sake of argument, why couldn't an apartment owner put a no smoking clause in his rental agreement?


Why can't they?

They can here.
 
2012-04-15 02:35:10 AM

Baryogenesis: Tellingthem: A lot of the beaches in California do and the parks also have grills you can use.

That people move around once they are burning? You know, *mobile* fires?

Tellingthem: I just am wondering where you go that you are surrounded by so many many smokers that even outdoors you can't possibly get away from them.

Why should I have to keep moving to breathe smoke free air? Why is their right to smoke more important than my right to breathe smoke free air?


IT'S THE FIRST AMENDMENT MY RIGHT TO CLEAN AIR.
 
2012-04-15 02:36:11 AM

Baryogenesis: OgreMagi: Yes, they have been talking about banning smoking. More than talking, in fact. Several cities in California have tried to ban smoking in public completely. With many apartment complexes going 100% non-smoking, it's getting more and more difficult to be left the fark alone.

They aren't me. I'm more inclined toward designated areas than outright bans.

For the sake of argument, why couldn't an apartment owner put a no smoking clause in his rental agreement?


They can. They do. They even do it when a smoker has been living there for the past ten years. If an apartment complex decides to stop allowing pets, they can't enforce that against existing tenants. If they decide to go adults only, they can't enforce that against current families. For us smokers, however, it's tough shiat. It's not just no smoking in the apartment. It's no smoking ANYWHERE on the property that has been my home for over ten years. When they first announced the smoking ban, I didn't realize it included the outdoors. I was fully prepared to limit my smoking to my balcony. Nope. Not good enough. They expect me to walk two blocks (big apartment complex) in whatever weather, day or night, to have a smoke.

Yes, it's there property and they get the make the rules. I'd just like a little farking consideration since it seems everyone else in the farking world is in some kind of protected group.
 
2012-04-15 02:38:35 AM

OgreMagi:
Yes, they have been talking about banning smoking. More than talking, in fact. Several cities in California have tried to ban smoking in public completely. With many apartment complexes going 100% non-smoking, it's getting more and more difficult to be left the fark alone.


So, something like this?
 
2012-04-15 02:39:23 AM

Baryogenesis: For the sake of argument, why couldn't an apartment owner put a no smoking clause in his rental agreement?


Hell, plenty do; nothing illegal about it, according to my GED in real estate law. So long as ventilation is not shared with another unit, though, it's kind of silly, considering they're going to repaint/recarpet/etc. once the tenant moves out.
 
2012-04-15 02:40:19 AM

OgreMagi: Baryogenesis: OgreMagi: Yes, they have been talking about banning smoking. More than talking, in fact. Several cities in California have tried to ban smoking in public completely. With many apartment complexes going 100% non-smoking, it's getting more and more difficult to be left the fark alone.

They aren't me. I'm more inclined toward designated areas than outright bans.

For the sake of argument, why couldn't an apartment owner put a no smoking clause in his rental agreement?

They can. They do. They even do it when a smoker has been living there for the past ten years. If an apartment complex decides to stop allowing pets, they can't enforce that against existing tenants. If they decide to go adults only, they can't enforce that against current families. For us smokers, however, it's tough shiat. It's not just no smoking in the apartment. It's no smoking ANYWHERE on the property that has been my home for over ten years. When they first announced the smoking ban, I didn't realize it included the outdoors. I was fully prepared to limit my smoking to my balcony. Nope. Not good enough. They expect me to walk two blocks (big apartment complex) in whatever weather, day or night, to have a smoke.

Yes, it's there property and they get the make the rules. I'd just like a little farking consideration since it seems everyone else in the farking world is in some kind of protected group.


Yeah, I'd say it's BS for them to change the rental agreement even though you were already there.
 
2012-04-15 02:41:22 AM
Unfortunately, banning parents from forcing their kids to inhale their cigarette smoke is still a long way off.
 
2012-04-15 02:45:06 AM

OgreMagi: Baryogenesis: OgreMagi: Yes, they have been talking about banning smoking. More than talking, in fact. Several cities in California have tried to ban smoking in public completely. With many apartment complexes going 100% non-smoking, it's getting more and more difficult to be left the fark alone.

They aren't me. I'm more inclined toward designated areas than outright bans.

For the sake of argument, why couldn't an apartment owner put a no smoking clause in his rental agreement?

They can. They do. They even do it when a smoker has been living there for the past ten years. If an apartment complex decides to stop allowing pets, they can't enforce that against existing tenants. If they decide to go adults only, they can't enforce that against current families. For us smokers, however, it's tough shiat. It's not just no smoking in the apartment. It's no smoking ANYWHERE on the property that has been my home for over ten years. When they first announced the smoking ban, I didn't realize it included the outdoors. I was fully prepared to limit my smoking to my balcony. Nope. Not good enough. They expect me to walk two blocks (big apartment complex) in whatever weather, day or night, to have a smoke.

Yes, it's there property and they get the make the rules. I'd just like a little farking consideration since it seems everyone else in the farking world is in some kind of protected group.


Every state I've rented in, that's illegal unless you've agreed to it (when re-signing the lease, for example). It's their property, yes, but it's your property, too, to a reasonable extent. That's the whole basis of renting -- you pay money for a receiving a certain bundle of rights. They accept money for giving up that certain bundle of rights. They can decline to renew your lease if you don't agree, but they can't generally change lease-specified rules mid-stream...unless the lease you signed gives them that right. That said, every state is different with regard to tenants' rights, so YMMV.
 
2012-04-15 02:45:09 AM

Baryogenesis: OgreMagi: Yes, they have been talking about banning smoking. More than talking, in fact. Several cities in California have tried to ban smoking in public completely. With many apartment complexes going 100% non-smoking, it's getting more and more difficult to be left the fark alone.

They aren't me. I'm more inclined toward designated areas than outright bans.

For the sake of argument, why couldn't an apartment owner put a no smoking clause in his rental agreement?


Mine did just that. Trouble is, my next door neighbor is a very heavy smoker, and we share ventilation across our bathrooms (it's an old building). My bathroom frequently smells like an ashtray, which is disgusting to me.

There is really no solution for a problem like this.
 
2012-04-15 02:48:15 AM
Start...vaping?
 
2012-04-15 02:49:19 AM
Cigarette butts wouldn't be a problem if wasn't presently stylish to remove the ash trays from everything and everywhere, as if that would get smokers to stop smoking. Besides, they're made of cellulose, they decompose in a month or two.
 
2012-04-15 02:50:28 AM

jagec: OgreMagi:
Yes, they have been talking about banning smoking. More than talking, in fact. Several cities in California have tried to ban smoking in public completely. With many apartment complexes going 100% non-smoking, it's getting more and more difficult to be left the fark alone.

So, something like this?


Some days it feels exactly like that. Thanks for the video. I laughed.

The anti-smoking holier than thou attitude is just a tiny fraction of one of the major problems in this country. We have become a nation of busy-bodies. First it was smoking. Then it was fast food, and toys in fast food, and a myriad of little things that keep piling on. You want to be left the hell alone, but everyone has to get into your business with some half-lame excuse that makes it ok. I'm sick of it. That's why I've become more of an asshole in public when people give me shiat. I don't litter. Littering disgusts me. I make it a point to smoke away from crowds. I don't toss my butts on the ground. Yet there's always that jerk who goes out of his way to walk past just so he can make that "cough-cough" sound at me. Once, while sitting in the designated smoking area, with the ashtray sitting right next to me, some douche said, "do you mind not smoking?" YES I FARKING MIND! Go somewhere else, because I don't have a farking choice of where I can be right now.
 
2012-04-15 02:50:44 AM

whidbey: Wow, so the real gripe here is the litter.

I''m convinced there is some chemical in cigarettes that makes people into thoughtless clods.

I mean, the very idea that you would want to throw a non-biodegradable piece of material onto the ground or out a car window without even thinking of it.


Commercial cigarettes and the butts contain a ridiculous amount of toxic chemicals. A friend of mine worked for RJR as a research scientist to put herself through medical school. Her job was to find the chemicals most addictive and pleasing. The number of chemicals added in growing and processing commercial cigarettes is over 700.

/css
 
2012-04-15 02:53:17 AM

NeauxFear: OgreMagi: Baryogenesis: OgreMagi: Yes, they have been talking about banning smoking. More than talking, in fact. Several cities in California have tried to ban smoking in public completely. With many apartment complexes going 100% non-smoking, it's getting more and more difficult to be left the fark alone.

They aren't me. I'm more inclined toward designated areas than outright bans.

For the sake of argument, why couldn't an apartment owner put a no smoking clause in his rental agreement?

They can. They do. They even do it when a smoker has been living there for the past ten years. If an apartment complex decides to stop allowing pets, they can't enforce that against existing tenants. If they decide to go adults only, they can't enforce that against current families. For us smokers, however, it's tough shiat. It's not just no smoking in the apartment. It's no smoking ANYWHERE on the property that has been my home for over ten years. When they first announced the smoking ban, I didn't realize it included the outdoors. I was fully prepared to limit my smoking to my balcony. Nope. Not good enough. They expect me to walk two blocks (big apartment complex) in whatever weather, day or night, to have a smoke.

Yes, it's there property and they get the make the rules. I'd just like a little farking consideration since it seems everyone else in the farking world is in some kind of protected group.

Every state I've rented in, that's illegal unless you've agreed to it (when re-signing the lease, for example). It's their property, yes, but it's your property, too, to a reasonable extent. That's the whole basis of renting -- you pay money for a receiving a certain bundle of rights. They accept money for giving up that certain bundle of rights. They can decline to renew your lease if you don't agree, but they can't generally change lease-specified rules mid-stream...unless the lease you signed gives them that right. That said, every state is different with ...


It's California. Smokers have no rights. However, it happened when I had to renew my lease. The "protected groups" don't have that problem. The law grandfathers them in for as long as they choose to live there. Due to that change in the lease, I chose to go month-to-month instead of the one year lease I had been doing for a decade.
 
2012-04-15 02:57:57 AM

Baryogenesis: OgreMagi: Yes, they have been talking about banning smoking. More than talking, in fact. Several cities in California have tried to ban smoking in public completely. With many apartment complexes going 100% non-smoking, it's getting more and more difficult to be left the fark alone.

They aren't me. I'm more inclined toward designated areas than outright bans.

For the sake of argument, why couldn't an apartment owner put a no smoking clause in his rental agreement?


Don't almost all do? I was looking for a place to live about a year ago and 100% of them didn't allow smoking inside and a very small number allowed it on the padios. I know the place I live in now has gone after people for smoking in their apartments.

I'm pretty okay with the ban here, I live in a wooden building. As for everywhere else, I can't stand the smell of smoke but there's always one option, walk the fark away.
 
2012-04-15 03:03:18 AM

OgreMagi: jagec: OgreMagi:
Yes, they have been talking about banning smoking. More than talking, in fact. Several cities in California have tried to ban smoking in public completely. With many apartment complexes going 100% non-smoking, it's getting more and more difficult to be left the fark alone.

So, something like this?

Some days it feels exactly like that. Thanks for the video. I laughed.

The anti-smoking holier than thou attitude is just a tiny fraction of one of the major problems in this country. We have become a nation of busy-bodies. First it was smoking. Then it was fast food, and toys in fast food, and a myriad of little things that keep piling on. You want to be left the hell alone, but everyone has to get into your business with some half-lame excuse that makes it ok. I'm sick of it. That's why I've become more of an asshole in public when people give me shiat. I don't litter. Littering disgusts me. I make it a point to smoke away from crowds. I don't toss my butts on the ground. Yet there's always that jerk who goes out of his way to walk past just so he can make that "cough-cough" sound at me. Once, while sitting in the designated smoking area, with the ashtray sitting right next to me, some douche said, "do you mind not smoking?" YES I FARKING MIND! Go somewhere else, because I don't have a farking choice of where I can be right now.



That's the crux of the problem right there. I would also like to be left alone (by smokers). Before all the regulations started, it was almost impossible to go outside anywhere, or indoors anywhere, or in a movie theater, or a bus, or an airplane, without constantly being exposed to smoke.

It wasn't always just one person of course, but if only one person in a crowd of 50 smokes at a time, that's still 50 cigarettes in a row that non-smokers put up with.

I sympathize with your perspective a bit, because an individual smoker may not contribute much to creating a problem, but with lots of smokers the smoke becomes practically constant in a lot of places.

I'm in favor of most restrictions on smoking in public, but less so in private. I can't ask someone not to smoke in their own home/car - that's ridiculous. But in close quarters like apartment buildings it's a tougher call. It's harder for private spaces to be really private when people are living on top of each other or otherwise so close.

Loud music, noise, public drunkenness and/or urination, etc. are all heavily restricted in such situations - I don't see a reason to treat smoking as a special case that deserves to go unregulated.
 
2012-04-15 03:05:25 AM
as long as there is still tons of garbage tossed out by industries and residences while pollution is spewing into the air and water, i'm a happy guy.

dump it in the rivers, dump it in the streams, dump it in the ocean, burn it, bury it, pile it high as the sky in landfills. fresh air and fresh water is a thing of the past.

but as long as you feel good about the cigarette thing well god bless you, you short sighted simpletons.
 
2012-04-15 03:15:35 AM
Fark cigarette butts everywhere.
And fark plastic bottles everywhere.
And fark paving everything over to make way for more horrible people.
And fark humanity in general because we're all a wretched mass of semi-evolved hominids.
 
2012-04-15 03:16:27 AM

HighZoolander: OgreMagi: jagec: OgreMagi:
Yes, they have been talking about banning smoking. More than talking, in fact. Several cities in California have tried to ban smoking in public completely. With many apartment complexes going 100% non-smoking, it's getting more and more difficult to be left the fark alone.

So, something like this?

Some days it feels exactly like that. Thanks for the video. I laughed.

The anti-smoking holier than thou attitude is just a tiny fraction of one of the major problems in this country. We have become a nation of busy-bodies. First it was smoking. Then it was fast food, and toys in fast food, and a myriad of little things that keep piling on. You want to be left the hell alone, but everyone has to get into your business with some half-lame excuse that makes it ok. I'm sick of it. That's why I've become more of an asshole in public when people give me shiat. I don't litter. Littering disgusts me. I make it a point to smoke away from crowds. I don't toss my butts on the ground. Yet there's always that jerk who goes out of his way to walk past just so he can make that "cough-cough" sound at me. Once, while sitting in the designated smoking area, with the ashtray sitting right next to me, some douche said, "do you mind not smoking?" YES I FARKING MIND! Go somewhere else, because I don't have a farking choice of where I can be right now.


That's the crux of the problem right there. I would also like to be left alone (by smokers). Before all the regulations started, it was almost impossible to go outside anywhere, or indoors anywhere, or in a movie theater, or a bus, or an airplane, without constantly being exposed to smoke.

It wasn't always just one person of course, but if only one person in a crowd of 50 smokes at a time, that's still 50 cigarettes in a row that non-smokers put up with.

I sympathize with your perspective a bit, because an individual smoker may not contribute much to creating a problem, but with lots of smokers th ...


I don't have a problem with banning smoking in common indoor places (except for Blues clubs where smoking should be obligatory). It has gone way beyond that. And it's no longer just smoking. As I mentioned, they are taking this anti-smoking attitude and applying it to everything under the farking sun.
 
2012-04-15 03:17:32 AM

KrispyKritter: as long as there is still tons of garbage tossed out by industries and residences while pollution is spewing into the air and water, i'm a happy guy.

dump it in the rivers, dump it in the streams, dump it in the ocean, burn it, bury it, pile it high as the sky in landfills. fresh air and fresh water is a thing of the past.

but as long as you feel good about the cigarette thing well god bless you, you short sighted simpletons.


Millions of acres of land are being stripped and poisoned by fracking companies pouring boron, acetone and formaldehyde into rivers, but your cigarette is killing me. Go Go Rendell!
 
2012-04-15 03:19:36 AM

OgreMagi: HighZoolander: OgreMagi: jagec: OgreMagi:
Yes, they have been talking about banning smoking. More than talking, in fact. Several cities in California have tried to ban smoking in public completely. With many apartment complexes going 100% non-smoking, it's getting more and more difficult to be left the fark alone.

So, something like this?

Some days it feels exactly like that. Thanks for the video. I laughed.

The anti-smoking holier than thou attitude is just a tiny fraction of one of the major problems in this country. We have become a nation of busy-bodies. First it was smoking. Then it was fast food, and toys in fast food, and a myriad of little things that keep piling on. You want to be left the hell alone, but everyone has to get into your business with some half-lame excuse that makes it ok. I'm sick of it. That's why I've become more of an asshole in public when people give me shiat. I don't litter. Littering disgusts me. I make it a point to smoke away from crowds. I don't toss my butts on the ground. Yet there's always that jerk who goes out of his way to walk past just so he can make that "cough-cough" sound at me. Once, while sitting in the designated smoking area, with the ashtray sitting right next to me, some douche said, "do you mind not smoking?" YES I FARKING MIND! Go somewhere else, because I don't have a farking choice of where I can be right now.


That's the crux of the problem right there. I would also like to be left alone (by smokers). Before all the regulations started, it was almost impossible to go outside anywhere, or indoors anywhere, or in a movie theater, or a bus, or an airplane, without constantly being exposed to smoke.

It wasn't always just one person of course, but if only one person in a crowd of 50 smokes at a time, that's still 50 cigarettes in a row that non-smokers put up with.

I sympathize with your perspective a bit, because an individual smoker may not contribute much to creating a problem, but with lot ...


CA has also banned many offensive scents in some cities. Good for them. People that wear cheap perfume or body spray should be kicked in the shins, repeatedly.
 
2012-04-15 03:49:24 AM
Why is it so hard to take a small bottle of some sort with you and use that as an ashtray?
 
2012-04-15 03:52:38 AM
It's a happy liberal world. Ban everything I don't enjoy. Don't like things I don't like, and we'll all get along fine.
 
2012-04-15 04:03:26 AM

PlatypusPuke: Why is it so hard to take a small bottle of some sort with you and use that as an ashtray?


Bottles are probably banned, too.
 
2012-04-15 04:03:38 AM

Baryogenesis: Tellingthem: A lot of the beaches in California do and the parks also have grills you can use.

That people move around once they are burning? You know, *mobile* fires?

Tellingthem: I just am wondering where you go that you are surrounded by so many many smokers that even outdoors you can't possibly get away from them.

Why should I have to keep moving to breathe smoke free air? Why is their right to smoke more important than my right to breathe smoke free air?


Because they have a disease. The disease of addiction. They also get extra breaks during the workday.
 
2012-04-15 04:16:27 AM
PlatypusPuke Why is it so hard to take a small bottle of some sort with you and use that as an ashtray?

That is exactly what I do. If I am on the beach I am drinking either beer or water, so drink fast, and instant ashtray. Taadaa!
 
2012-04-15 04:30:27 AM
as an asthmatic I support this.

suck it smokers!!!

seriously though, smokers are victims of the biggest con in history.

I feel bad for em.
 
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