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(Syracuse Post-Standard)   Smoking has been banned from all New York beaches. Needles, used condoms and medical waste still okay   (syracuse.com) divider line 173
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2012-04-14 06:14:48 PM  
Good idea. You don't want to risk catching the ocean on fire.

Also, orange people are extremely flammable. They leave a slick of petroleum products on the water.

New Jersey ought to follow suit at their earliest convenience. Otherwise, the whole South Shore risks bursting into flames some day, which might add to the carbon emissions and pollution problems.

Palm oil and global warming are a dangerous combination. The more sun tan lotion you put on, the more likely you are to explode. Add the problem of obesity to that, and you can see where this is all heading, fast, like a hand-cart.
 
2012-04-14 09:52:44 PM  
I still get to smell their disgusting ethnic cook-outs though right?
 
2012-04-14 09:54:19 PM  
Slowly but surely all smoking will be banned in public. And that day can't come soon enough.

I know I for one love having smoke blown in my face while trying to relax on the beach, and stepping on thousands of cigarette butts that smokers leave behind.
 
2012-04-14 10:31:42 PM  
Good. Nothing sucks worse than digging your toes in the sand and finding where some asshole has buried his butts.

Cigarette butts are litter and you filthy smokers deserve the same condemnation as the fatties who drop burger wrappers.
 
2012-04-14 11:12:09 PM  
Once went to pick up a cigarette butt in the surf so I could throw it away. A very small hermit crab popped his head out and the cigarette scuttled away.

It was very surreal.
 
2012-04-15 01:05:04 AM  
Just treat leaving a cigarette butt or ash the same as any other littering. I don't know why it isn't in the first place.
 
2012-04-15 01:33:58 AM  
"Needles, used condoms, medical waste still okay."
Of course it is. Needles, used condoms, medical waste never hurt anyone.
 
2012-04-15 01:34:05 AM  
Can you still drink on the beaches there?
 
2012-04-15 01:34:25 AM  
Wow, so the real gripe here is the litter.

I''m convinced there is some chemical in cigarettes that makes people into thoughtless clods.

I mean, the very idea that you would want to throw a non-biodegradable piece of material onto the ground or out a car window without even thinking of it.
 
2012-04-15 01:36:17 AM  

GAT_00: Just treat leaving a cigarette butt or ash the same as any other littering. I don't know why it isn't in the first place.


It is littering, this is just another thing to ticket people for.
 
2012-04-15 01:36:51 AM  

m3000: Slowly but surely all smoking will be banned in public. And that day can't come soon enough.

I know I for one love having smoke blown in my face while trying to relax on the beach, and stepping on thousands of cigarette butts that smokers leave behind.


Just out of curiosity if the beaches allow campfires and grills would you want those banned too? Because those would also blow smoke in your face.
 
2012-04-15 01:37:53 AM  

whidbey: I mean, the very idea that you would want to throw a non-biodegradable piece of material onto the ground or out a car window without even thinking of it.


Every roadside cleanup I've done has had more cigarette butts by raw numbers than anything else, but by weight the liquor and beer bottles easily won.
 
2012-04-15 01:39:03 AM  
*piles onto the smoker-hate because it makes me cool to judge people*

I hope you smokers all have (very bad, non-specific) things happen to you.
And your families
And your pets
and the world forgets about you non-contributing zeroes.
Murderers. cancer-spreaders. inconsiderate simpleton lemming puppets of the tobacco industry.

/did I miss anything?
//still cool to hate?
///what's the handshake?
 
2012-04-15 01:40:22 AM  
No smoking on the beach is one of the few total smoking bans I support because almost without exception they seem to think its a giant ashtray.
 
2012-04-15 01:40:46 AM  

davidphogan: whidbey: I mean, the very idea that you would want to throw a non-biodegradable piece of material onto the ground or out a car window without even thinking of it.

Every roadside cleanup I've done has had more cigarette butts by raw numbers than anything else, but by weight the liquor and beer bottles easily won.


Well yeah, cigarette butts weigh less than a gram at best. But I'd wager they are much more ubiquitous. Plus I can almost understand why someone might think that bringing back a bunch of empty bottles is a drag. Almost.

But a cigarette butt? Put the sh*t in your pocket or some other designated waste receptacle. It's not demeaning to do so.
 
2012-04-15 01:41:24 AM  

Tellingthem: m3000: Slowly but surely all smoking will be banned in public. And that day can't come soon enough.

I know I for one love having smoke blown in my face while trying to relax on the beach, and stepping on thousands of cigarette butts that smokers leave behind.

Just out of curiosity if the beaches allow campfires and grills would you want those banned too? Because those would also blow smoke in your face.


Are there a lot of mobile campfires and grills on the beaches near you? No? Then you could sit away from the campfire smoke if it bothered you, but you can't do that with smokers. I'm told they have legs and can walk around.
 
2012-04-15 01:43:02 AM  

Baryogenesis: Tellingthem: m3000: Slowly but surely all smoking will be banned in public. And that day can't come soon enough.

I know I for one love having smoke blown in my face while trying to relax on the beach, and stepping on thousands of cigarette butts that smokers leave behind.

Just out of curiosity if the beaches allow campfires and grills would you want those banned too? Because those would also blow smoke in your face.

Are there a lot of mobile campfires and grills on the beaches near you? No? Then you could sit away from the campfire smoke if it bothered you, but you can't do that with smokers. I'm told they have legs and can walk around.


They have legs... for now. The circulation thing might change that.
 
2012-04-15 01:43:14 AM  
And this is a case of liberals being just as farking stupid as conservatives usually are. And I don't even smoke.
 
2012-04-15 01:43:22 AM  

Baryogenesis: Tellingthem: m3000: Slowly but surely all smoking will be banned in public. And that day can't come soon enough.

I know I for one love having smoke blown in my face while trying to relax on the beach, and stepping on thousands of cigarette butts that smokers leave behind.

Just out of curiosity if the beaches allow campfires and grills would you want those banned too? Because those would also blow smoke in your face.

Are there a lot of mobile campfires and grills on the beaches near you? No? Then you could sit away from the campfire smoke if it bothered you, but you can't do that with smokers. I'm told they have legs and can walk around.


A lot of the beaches in California do and the parks also have grills you can use. I just am wondering where you go that you are surrounded by so many many smokers that even outdoors you can't possibly get away from them.
 
2012-04-15 01:46:51 AM  

Tellingthem: A lot of the beaches in California do and the parks also have grills you can use.


That people move around once they are burning? You know, *mobile* fires?

Tellingthem: I just am wondering where you go that you are surrounded by so many many smokers that even outdoors you can't possibly get away from them.


Why should I have to keep moving to breathe smoke free air? Why is their right to smoke more important than my right to breathe smoke free air?
 
2012-04-15 01:47:47 AM  
Can we ban car exhaust and any type of combustion period?

They have a negative effect on my health.
 
2012-04-15 01:48:35 AM  

Baryogenesis: Why should I have to keep moving to breathe smoke free air? Why is their right to smoke more important than my right to breathe smoke free air?


Do you drive a car?
 
2012-04-15 01:49:02 AM  

randomjsa: ...they seem to think its a giant ashtray.


the world is an ashtray.

/or haven't you heard?
 
2012-04-15 01:51:36 AM  

JackalRabbit: randomjsa: ...they seem to think its a giant ashtray.

the world is an MY ashtray.

/or haven't you heard?


farm4.static.flickr.com

IT'S A DRAG....
I guess I'll just smoke my cigarette...take a big DRAG.
 
2012-04-15 01:51:59 AM  

Baryogenesis: Tellingthem: A lot of the beaches in California do and the parks also have grills you can use.

That people move around once they are burning? You know, *mobile* fires?

Tellingthem: I just am wondering where you go that you are surrounded by so many many smokers that even outdoors you can't possibly get away from them.

Why should I have to keep moving to breathe smoke free air? Why is their right to smoke more important than my right to breathe smoke free air?


So basically you get a whiff of cigarette smoke when they walk by...and what is your right to smoke free air? should we ban fireplaces now? How about all fire in general. If I'm walking down the street should I have to breathe your backyard grill smoke?
 
2012-04-15 01:53:26 AM  

crab66: Baryogenesis: Why should I have to keep moving to breathe smoke free air? Why is their right to smoke more important than my right to breathe smoke free air?

Do you drive a car?


There are regulations on car exhaust. We should encourage the development of emission free vehicles, clean energy and public transportation to reduce pollution.

I do so love this argument, though. It's like someone saying that because murder exists and it's way worse than drunk driving that we shouldn't pass laws about drunk driving. Why are you concerned about this problem when there are bigger problems!
 
2012-04-15 01:53:44 AM  
But...public beaches are OUTSIDE.

The law is ridiculous. Should people who throw their cigarette butts on the ground be cited for littering? HELL YES! Should smoking be legal in enclosed public buildings, like courtrooms, restaurants, libraries etc? No. But in an outdoor area, these laws just don't make sense. You pretty much have to deliberately seek out smokers, stand next to them, and inhale to be affected. What about diesel buses, trash cans, rotting crabs etc?
 
2012-04-15 01:54:02 AM  

whidbey: Wow, so the real gripe here is the litter.

I''m convinced there is some chemical in cigarettes that makes people into thoughtless clods.

I mean, the very idea that you would want to throw a non-biodegradable piece of material onto the ground or out a car window without even thinking of it.


This is actually true for everyone, smokers and non- alike. The more it would benefit a human for a given thing to be true, the more we will beleive it. I and you do this as well; it's a logical flaw in human reasoning, a bug in our brain's software.

It would be really great if I were the best driver on the road, therefore I automatically beleive this to be true, based upon no factual evidence whatsoever.

And we look for situations to validate our preformed conceptions, ignoring situations that contradict these assumptions, so I will continue to beleive it even if actual fact proves otherwise.
 
2012-04-15 01:54:45 AM  
First they told us to take it outside, so we did. Now they want to take that too. INTOLERANCE!
 
2012-04-15 01:54:54 AM  
Smokers just don't want to admit they smell worse than microwaved fish.
 
2012-04-15 01:55:40 AM  
Hey NY, how about, y'know, banning other stuff. Like AWing.

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2012-04-15 01:57:08 AM  
Makes me want to take up smoking.

My visual senses have been more viciously attacked by fat, ugly, hairy people in disgustingly inappropriate swim suits, than by any smoke assaulting my nostrils from a cig.

www.fatgirljihad.com

Bunch of farking cry babies.
 
2012-04-15 01:58:11 AM  

Tellingthem: should we ban fireplaces now? How about all fire in general.


Do you have a rational argument or are you just gonna go with hyperbole?
 
2012-04-15 02:00:50 AM  

whidbey: But a cigarette butt? Put the sh*t in your pocket or some other designated waste receptacle. It's not demeaning to do so.


That's what I do. I'm a smoker, but the last time I can remember intentionally throwing a cigarette butt on the ground was when I was about 17. I can remember a few times when I dropped one or lost it to a gust of wind and it wasn't safe to try recovering the butt (it's happened above rivers, on busy roads and on freeway overpasses a few times), but that's rare.

At the same time, a hardcore smoker may have 4 or more cigarettes per hour. Not many alcoholics can maintain that pace as far as bottles per hour for hours at a time.
 
2012-04-15 02:01:14 AM  

Tellingthem:

should we ban fireplaces now?


You're being sarcastic, but you should know better.

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TLDNR for anyone who doesn't want to click:
Southern California bans or considers banning fireplaces in new construction and using fireplaces on days that are too smoggy.
 
2012-04-15 02:02:29 AM  
Baryogenesis\

What gives you the right to drive down my street and poison my air?

I do so love this argument, though. It's like someone saying that because murder exists and it's way worse than drunk driving that we shouldn't pass laws about drunk driving. Why are you concerned about this problem when there are bigger problems!

While that's a great hyperbolic analogy. It still doesn't address the fact that you are okay with driving your car everyday and poisoning the air that others breath. With a mobile smoke emitting machine.

This makes you a hypocrite. Anyway you try to spin it.
 
2012-04-15 02:03:16 AM  

Baryogenesis: Tellingthem: should we ban fireplaces now? How about all fire in general.

Do you have a rational argument or are you just gonna go with hyperbole?


Ok if you are going to get picky abut the wording..

Should we ban all "non-essential" forms of smoke generation. Because grills,campfires,fireplaces, etc that are not necessary for things like basic cooking or heat generation because they may interfere with a persons ability to breathe clean air.

or

Since you claim that you have the right to not breathe in smoke. Then does that right apply to all "recreational" activities that entail producing smoke. Things like outdoor campfires, backyard grills (or grills at tailgates), fireplaces, or any other means or smoke production for recreational use.
 
2012-04-15 02:03:25 AM  

Baryogenesis: Do you have a rational argument or are you just gonna go with hyperbole?


Pot, kettle. Sup.
 
2012-04-15 02:04:50 AM  

m3000: I know I for one love having smoke blown in my face while trying to relax on the beach, and stepping on thousands of cigarette butts that smokers leave behind.


Who the hell is blowing smoke into your face, and leaving butts on the beach is simply littering. wow, you seem to have intimate knowledge of some really sorry assholes. People that behave like that (in the states mentioned) would have landed in jail about 23 years ago... where are you finding these people???
 
2012-04-15 02:05:25 AM  
i would like to quit smoking, but everytime the anti-smokers league gets all in an uproar and starts preaching i just want march into the pews and blow smoke rings at em. why give up such a powerful tool for pissin off uptight pricks that totally deserve it?

/it's not a friggin baby till the tail falls off. this can actually extend to several years after the birth. so in truth, abortion should be a woman's choice for up to 5 years after actual birth of the child.
 
2012-04-15 02:05:44 AM  

crab66: This makes you a hypocrite. Anyway you try to spin it.


No, it doesn't because I support regulations on exhaust and the development of clean energy/electric cars. Your bad analogy is bad.

Baryogenesis: There are regulations on car exhaust. We should encourage the development of emission free vehicles, clean energy and public transportation to reduce pollution.


crab66: What gives you the right to drive down my street and poison my air?


I assume you're a big proponent of public transportation, renewable energy and electric cars.
 
2012-04-15 02:05:47 AM  

Krieghund: Tellingthem:

should we ban fireplaces now?

You're being sarcastic, but you should know better.

Link 1 (new window)
Link 2 (new window)

TLDNR for anyone who doesn't want to click:
Southern California bans or considers banning fireplaces in new construction and using fireplaces on days that are too smoggy.


Yeah I know. I just find it funny that some people (not all) who complain about smokers have no problems with breathing other forms of smoke.
 
2012-04-15 02:08:10 AM  
Hagenhatesyouall

Thank you.

A voice of reason. The only reason I ever blow smoke even in the general direction of someone is when they go by and act like I garroted them with piano wire. Then they get a dirty, tar breath, lungful of deliciousness right in the face.

/seeks out unenclosed open spaces otherwise uninhabited for my dirty dirty stress relieving habit.
/Always throws butts away. Hell, I don't like 'em either.
 
2012-04-15 02:09:37 AM  
I get the litter argument for butts, and I heartily support smokers getting their ass handed to them for throwing butts on the ground.. But for ash? On a beach that is presumably covered by sand? That' might as well be the definition of biodegradable. Or at least, uh... eco...degradable.
 
2012-04-15 02:11:21 AM  

Tellingthem: Should we ban all "non-essential" forms of smoke generation. Because grills,campfires,fireplaces, etc that are not necessary for things like basic cooking or heat generation because they may interfere with a persons ability to breathe clean air.

or

Since you claim that you have the right to not breathe in smoke. Then does that right apply to all "recreational" activities that entail producing smoke. Things like outdoor campfires, backyard grills (or grills at tailgates), fireplaces, or any other means or smoke production for recreational use.


Thank you for presenting your argument rationally.

Since I'm not advocating banning all smoking the answer is no we shouldn't outright ban all forms of smoke generation. There may be benefits from having camp fires and grilling in designated areas, but as I said before, they're already stationary and people who don't want to breathe the smoke can go elsewhere. They don't have that option with smokers because they can move and smoke anywhere on that public beach.
 
2012-04-15 02:11:24 AM  

Baryogenesis: No, it doesn't because I support regulations on exhaust and the development of clean energy/electric cars


I can support regulations against anything. If I still do it that makes me the very definition of a hypocrite.


I support

Baryogenesis: I assume you're a big proponent of public transportation, renewable energy and electric cars.


Absolutely.
 
2012-04-15 02:13:19 AM  

EvilEgg: Good. Nothing sucks worse than digging your toes in the sand and finding where some asshole has buried his butts.

Cigarette butts are litter and you filthy smokers deserve the same condemnation as the fatties who drop burger wrappers.


Until the burger is 90% tax I disagree.

The problem you are describing is sloppy lazy ass inconsiderate dirty farking people, which is not unique to smokers.
 
2012-04-15 02:13:34 AM  

Baryogenesis: they're already stationary


Wind is not stationary and often varies in direction. Causing smoke from a stationary fire to be spread over a wide area.

Your argument does not hold up to reality.
 
2012-04-15 02:14:57 AM  

crab66: Baryogenesis: No, it doesn't because I support regulations on exhaust and the development of clean energy/electric cars

I can support regulations against anything. If I still do it that makes me the very definition of a hypocrite.


Still do what? I didn't say I wanted to ban cars.
 
2012-04-15 02:15:31 AM  

jagec: But...public beaches are OUTSIDE.

The law is ridiculous. Should people who throw their cigarette butts on the ground be cited for littering? HELL YES! Should smoking be legal in enclosed public buildings, like courtrooms, restaurants, libraries etc? No. But in an outdoor area, these laws just don't make sense. You pretty much have to deliberately seek out smokers, stand next to them, and inhale to be affected. What about diesel buses, trash cans, rotting crabs etc?


Nothing annoys me more than when I'm standing at a busy intersection packed with cars and buses and having some douche make that "cough cough" sound at me because I'm smoking. People are that stupid.
 
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