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(Washington Post)   Virginia Speaker apologizes for belittling woman who was asking tough questions. Seriously, he apologized. It is a shame that a sincere apology is news   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 112
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2012-04-14 05:40:37 PM
So it wasn't the standard, "I'm sorry if you were offended by my remarks" comment?
 
2012-04-14 05:48:27 PM
Every woman who thinks is now a liberal activist.
 
2012-04-14 05:48:42 PM
Too many big words.
 
2012-04-14 05:48:46 PM
Oh, and it's a shame that said sincere apology is not mentioned in any detail.
 
2012-04-14 05:49:00 PM
What he meant to say is "Shouldn't you be in the kitchen making someone a sandwich?"
 
2012-04-14 05:50:09 PM
In a statement, Howell said: "After the news conference, I responded to a series of questions from Anna Scholl, Executive Director of ProgressVA, in a manner that was not consistent with my own standards of civility or reflective of the way I believe discussions over public policy disagreements should be conducted.

"I have since called Ms. Scholl and offered my sincere and heartfelt apology for my comments to her."


Huh. An actual apology. I'm actually shocked. Are we to the point where it actually makes sense to congratulate someone on actually apologizing?
 
2012-04-14 05:51:35 PM
He called her and made a gracious apology. She accepted and made a point of letting everyone know he did the right thing.

I'm in shock. Two people behaving like civilized adults. Good for both of them.
 
2012-04-14 05:54:04 PM
Good for him, although as has been noted above, it shouldn't be news. That's not to take away from Mr. Howell's apology, I am genuinely impressed that he showed such humility. While this story reflects well on Mr. Howell, it reflects poorly on the state of political discourse in the USA.
 
2012-04-14 05:56:05 PM
IIRC, he was right on content, poor on delivery. Conversation went something like this:

He: You wrote things that were inaccurate.
She: *Snottiest voice ever* What was inaccurate?
He: You said we gave $250k to Group 1, but didn't mention that we gave $2.5 Million to the opposition group 2, so it's a bit inaccurate to say we support only group 1...
She: *Rudely Interrupts* DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT GIVE $250k to group 1?!
He: Yes but we also gave 10x that amount to the group you favor...
She *interrupts* SO YOU DIDN'T GIVE $250k to group 1?
He: Yes but...
She: HOW IS IT INACCURATE TO SAY $250k?
He: (loses temper) Listen biatch, i'm going to have to spell it out for you like a boss...
She: OUTRAGE!1

Later, he apologizes.

Anyway, the only thing I have taken from both stories is that this chick has never felt the penetration of a dick. I feel sorry for her friends and family.
 
2012-04-14 05:56:58 PM
That's how you do a real apology. Good for this guy and good for the lady who called to thank him.
 
2012-04-14 05:59:25 PM

crazyeddie: IIRC, he was right on content, poor on delivery. Conversation went something like this:

He: You wrote things that were inaccurate.
She: *Snottiest voice ever* What was inaccurate?
He: You said we gave $250k to Group 1, but didn't mention that we gave $2.5 Million to the opposition group 2, so it's a bit inaccurate to say we support only group 1...
She: *Rudely Interrupts* DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT GIVE $250k to group 1?!
He: Yes but we also gave 10x that amount to the group you favor...
She *interrupts* SO YOU DIDN'T GIVE $250k to group 1?
He: Yes but...
She: HOW IS IT INACCURATE TO SAY $250k?
He: (loses temper) Listen biatch, i'm going to have to spell it out for you like a boss...
She: OUTRAGE!1

Later, he apologizes.

Anyway, the only thing I have taken from both stories is that this chick has never felt the penetration of a dick. I feel sorry for her friends and family.


You recalled the conversation poorly and incorrectly...but at least you were a dick about it, so you got that going for you.
 
2012-04-14 06:02:37 PM

crazyeddie: IIRC, he was right on content, poor on delivery. Conversation went something like this:

He: You wrote things that were inaccurate.
She: *Snottiest voice ever* What was inaccurate?
He: You said we gave $250k to Group 1, but didn't mention that we gave $2.5 Million to the opposition group 2, so it's a bit inaccurate to say we support only group 1...
She: *Rudely Interrupts* DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT GIVE $250k to group 1?!
He: Yes but we also gave 10x that amount to the group you favor...
She *interrupts* SO YOU DIDN'T GIVE $250k to group 1?
He: Yes but...
She: HOW IS IT INACCURATE TO SAY $250k?
He: (loses temper) Listen biatch, i'm going to have to spell it out for you like a boss...
She: OUTRAGE!1

Later, he apologizes.

Anyway, the only thing I have taken from both stories is that this chick has never felt the penetration of a dick. I feel sorry for her friends and family.


Idiot or troll?
 
2012-04-14 06:03:38 PM

crazyeddie: IIRC, he was right on content, poor on delivery. Conversation went something like this:

He: You wrote things that were inaccurate.
She: *Snottiest voice ever* What was inaccurate?
He: You said we gave $250k to Group 1, but didn't mention that we gave $2.5 Million to the opposition group 2, so it's a bit inaccurate to say we support only group 1...
She: *Rudely Interrupts* DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT GIVE $250k to group 1?!
He: Yes but we also gave 10x that amount to the group you favor...
She *interrupts* SO YOU DIDN'T GIVE $250k to group 1?
He: Yes but...
She: HOW IS IT INACCURATE TO SAY $250k?
He: (loses temper) Listen biatch, i'm going to have to spell it out for you like a boss...
She: OUTRAGE!1

Later, he apologizes.

Anyway, the only thing I have taken from both stories is that this chick has never felt the penetration of a dick. I feel sorry for her friends and family.


Why didn't you just link to the actual video? (new window)

Oh. That's why.
 
2012-04-14 06:05:12 PM

Guidette Frankentits: Every woman who thinks is now a liberal activist.


It is the same way the right claims that any black person who thinks, stands up himself or other black people and doesn't follow them is a race baiting racist.
 
2012-04-14 06:06:54 PM
I'm not a fan of Republicans, but kudos to the guy for being a man and sucking it up.
 
2012-04-14 06:07:38 PM
Sincere apology?

As in "sincerely sorry this thing blew up in my face?"

In a testy exchange after a news conference, Howell (R-Stafford) blamed the advocacy group ProgressVA for issuing what he called an inaccurate report in January outlining the legislative influence of the American Legislative Exchange Commission, which he used to lead.

Um, yeah, no.

I watched that exchange a few times the other night.

He didn't say "inaccuracies" initially.

He said "half truths and untruths"

An untruth is a lie.

When Ms Scholl asked Howell to produce a single lie he failed.

Just like he failed here again in his "sincere" apology by not admitting that he lied when calling Ms Scholl a liar.

Apologize for calling her a liar and for lying and he might have something.

This "apology"?

*snort of derision*

Not so much.
 
2012-04-14 06:10:39 PM
I listened to it again. (couldn't find any transcripts). I stand by my original post. In fact, it's even worse than I thought. She is totally out of line. I'll admit that his one comment was a little condescending, but she goaded him and prodded him, and completely ignored the fact that he was presenting obvious, unambiguous evidence for his claim.

Did any of you trolls even watch the video, or are you just mad because he actually had the nerve to call a woman wrong?
 
2012-04-14 06:11:08 PM
I don't really give two shiats if his apology was sincere. How about not supporting absolutely abhorrent legislation?
 
2012-04-14 06:14:17 PM
I guess i'm going to have to break it down for you folks.

He said "the article that referenced your content contained half-truths."
She said, "which half truths?"
He said, "like the fact that you paint a picture of us supporting ALEC because we paid $250k over 10 years for travel expenses, but you deliberately ignore the fact that we paid $2.5 MILLION to the NLCS, its opposition. That's misleading."
She said, "DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT PAY $250k?"

Willfully. Ignorant.

He called her on it, but unfortunately used a tone he shouldn't have. He correctly apologized for his tone and stood his ground on the issue, because the facts support him.

Bottom line. He's the classier person in this exchange by a longshot.
 
2012-04-14 06:18:51 PM
Nice of the Speaker to do the right thing. Now, will crazyeddie apologize for insulting the intelligence of everyone reading his words?
 
2012-04-14 06:19:42 PM

Ed Finnerty: Why didn't you just link to the actual video? (new window)


Don't you mean William Howell (R-ALEC)? At least it signifies the set of constituents that Howell represents.
 
2012-04-14 06:22:59 PM

Alphax: Nice of the Speaker to do the right thing. Now, will crazyeddie apologize for insulting the intelligence of everyone reading his words?


/crazyeddie and Speaker Howell logic on

Aren't you going to ask everyone who has ever insulted anyone else's intelligence to apologize as well? Why pick on me? This allegation is just half truths and untruths, I tell you!

/crazyeddie and Speaker Howell logic off
 
2012-04-14 06:23:12 PM

Alphax: Nice of the Speaker to do the right thing. Now, will crazyeddie apologize for insulting the intelligence of everyone reading his words?


Alphax: Nice of the Speaker to do the right thing. Now, will crazyeddie apologize for insulting the intelligence of everyone reading his words?


Why should he? I clearly recall the conversation and there are no transcripts or video that I can find. It went something like this:

crazyeddie: I humbly beg to differ with the assertions made and recall this man being nothing but polite in the face of "gotcha" contituentism.

Other Farkers:
SHUT UP! YOU SUCK AND YOUR MOM IS FAT!1!

crazyeddie: That is uncalled for, gentlemen. I am merely trying to express my opinion based on the facts I have just laid out.

Other Farkers: YOU SUCK!!1!

 
2012-04-14 06:26:52 PM
Has the whole world gone crazy? Just watch the video. I'm not saying anything that didn't transpire on the video. It's right there for you to see with your own eyes!

He says there are half-truths.
She asks for evidence.
He starts to name the half-truth, presenting the piece she told but pointing out the piece she omitted
She demands to know if the piece she included was true or not.
He points out the piece she omitted
She demands to know if the piece she included was true or not.
He blows a gasket.

It's a minute and thirty-three seconds. For the love of god, people, watch the video and see it for yourself. She is a frigid, barren-wombed harpy who is actually WRONG, and he called her out. When she ignored him, he used a poor tone, for which he later apologized.

How does that make me an "idiot" or "troll" exactly? By all means, keep insulting me. Maybe you could even use smaller syllables to explain how exactly I'm wrong here.
 
2012-04-14 06:40:03 PM

Ed Finnerty: I clearly recall the conversation and...It went something like this:

crazyeddie: I humbly beg to differ with the assertions made and recall this man being nothing but polite in the face of "gotcha" contituentism.
Other Farkers: SHUT UP! YOU SUCK AND YOUR MOM IS FAT!1!
crazyeddie: That is uncalled for, gentlemen. I am merely trying to express my opinion based on the facts I have just laid out.
Other Farkers: YOU SUCK!!1!


That's actually pretty close. See for yourself. Am I missing something?


crazyeddie: IIRC (if I recall correctly), he was right on content, poor on delivery.

Urbn: ...you were a dick about it, so you got that going for you.

Satanic_Hamster: Idiot or troll?

Alphax: Now, will crazyeddie apologize for insulting the intelligence of everyone reading his words?

 
2012-04-14 06:42:31 PM

crazyeddie: He: You said we gave $250k to Group 1, but didn't mention that we gave $2.5 Million to the opposition group 2, so it's a bit inaccurate to say we support only group 1..


Others have pointed out that this post is either a troll or stupid, but I'll point out that this part here is a zinger. "Group 1" is ALEC, a highly partisan right-wing lobbying group. "Group 2" is NSCL, a bipartisan group (they alternate Rep/Dem presidents, etc.) that mostly tries to make state legislatures more effective. They are not opposites.
 
2012-04-14 06:43:00 PM

crazyeddie: She is a frigid, barren-wombed harpy


This is why we can't have nice things. Even when the people involved act like adults (which is already unusual enough to make news) some people simply have to keep stirring the pot.
 
2012-04-14 06:47:56 PM

crazyeddie: It's a minute and thirty-three seconds. For the love of god, people, watch the video and see it for yourself. She is a frigid, barren-wombed harpy who is actually WRONG, and he called her out. When she ignored him, he used a poor tone, for which he later apologized.


Yup. She kept interrupting him and failed to acknowledge the point he was trying to make. It seems like she was trying to ambush him instead of having an honest and open debate.

I wish he hadn't apologized.
 
2012-04-14 06:48:44 PM
Still no apology from W for the guy to whom he said "Who cares what you think?"
 
2012-04-14 06:49:06 PM

crazyeddie: I guess i'm going to have to break it down for you folks.

He said "the article that referenced your content contained half-truths."
She said, "which half truths?"
He said, "like the fact that you paint a picture of us supporting ALEC because we paid $250k over 10 years for travel expenses, but you deliberately ignore the fact that we paid $2.5 MILLION to the NLCS, its opposition. That's misleading."
She said, "DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT PAY $250k?"

Willfully. Ignorant.

He called her on it, but unfortunately used a tone he shouldn't have. He correctly apologized for his tone and stood his ground on the issue, because the facts support him.

Bottom line. He's the classier person in this exchange by a longshot.


Wow, you and Howell like to lie A LOT.

First, Howell lied when he said "I've been to your site, there's not much there".

I've been to Progress VA's site and there's lots of good stuff.

Then he lied again when he said that the article based on her report contained "half truths and untruths".

For the record, you just told a half truth by not stating he only said "half-truths".

Irony, what a concept.

Then when asked to come with a single example he compares a non partisan lobby group to ALEC as if she doesn't understand the difference.

Then he insulted her by suggesting that she was too dumb to understand him.

Now I'm gonna insult you by suggesting you don't have the first clue what the difference is either.

At no point did Ms Scholl do or say anything untoward that requires an apology.

In fact, she handled his lies and insults with aplomb and should be commended.

You, on the other hand, need to have your head ducked into a bucket of facts to wash away all the derp that's been built up "infromming" yourself on this issue.

Willful ignorance? You cornered the market there.

Problem? Questions? I'm here to help! ^_^
 
2012-04-14 06:50:13 PM

Hetfield: crazyeddie: It's a minute and thirty-three seconds. For the love of god, people, watch the video and see it for yourself. She is a frigid, barren-wombed harpy who is actually WRONG, and he called her out. When she ignored him, he used a poor tone, for which he later apologized.

Yup. She kept interrupting him and failed to acknowledge the point he was trying to make. It seems like she was trying to ambush him instead of having an honest and open debate.

I wish he hadn't apologized.


The point he was trying to make was practically a non sequitur.
 
2012-04-14 06:50:34 PM
by not stating he only said "half-truths"..

Speed edit FTL.
 
2012-04-14 06:57:19 PM

quatchi: For the record, you just told a half truth by not stating he only said "half-truths".


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2012-04-14 07:00:22 PM

Guidette Frankentits: Every woman who thinks is now a liberal activist.


Good luck finding a REAL liberal to vote for.

All you're gonna do in 2012 is convince the Dems that they should never run a liberal for office ever again.
 
2012-04-14 07:01:25 PM

GAT_00: In a statement, Howell said: "After the news conference, I responded to a series of questions from Anna Scholl, Executive Director of ProgressVA, in a manner that was not consistent with my own standards of civility or reflective of the way I believe discussions over public policy disagreements should be conducted.

"I have since called Ms. Scholl and offered my sincere and heartfelt apology for my comments to her."

Huh. An actual apology. I'm actually shocked. Are we to the point where it actually makes sense to congratulate someone on actually apologizing?


Considering the political climate, and how many politicians and spokespeople have acted, it is.

Good on him. Recognizing when you're a dick, and looking to make amends is a step. Now if he'd abandon the the track that set this whole thing off, he'd be doing better.

There's always room for doing better.
 
2012-04-14 07:01:29 PM

quatchi: First, Howell lied when he said "I've been to your site, there's not much there".
I've been to Progress VA's site and there's lots of good stuff.


Wait, are you being serious when you include this as a "lie" this man told? Really?
Take party affiliation out of it and ask yourself if what you wrote makes sense and is internally consistent. Just step away from the keyboard for a bit and forget which political party said it. Just absorb it and judge the comment based on the merits of its content. Are you still putting that argument forward as your first volley?

quatchi: At no point did Ms Scholl do or say anything untoward that requires an apology.


That's true, unless you count aggressive interruption and talking over someone as "untoward." She didn't technically say anything that technically requires an apology, so technically you are technically correct. She was still classless and rude.

You don't even know my political affiliation. I don't live in Virginia, and I have no dog in this hunt. Just step aside from the politics for a second and view it as two colleagues talking in a hallway. Do you hear her tone and her refusal to acknowledge his points? It's borderline unethical for her to accept his apology, in my opinion.
 
2012-04-14 07:02:34 PM

Guidette Frankentits: Every woman person who thinks is now a liberal activist.


FTFY
 
2012-04-14 07:04:16 PM

crazyeddie: IIRC, he was right on content, poor on delivery. Conversation went something like this:

He: You wrote things that were inaccurate.
She: *Snottiest voice ever* What was inaccurate?
He: You said we gave $250k to Group 1, but didn't mention that we gave $2.5 Million to the opposition group 2, so it's a bit inaccurate to say we support only group 1...
She: *Rudely Interrupts* DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT GIVE $250k to group 1?!
He: Yes but we also gave 10x that amount to the group you favor...
She *interrupts* SO YOU DIDN'T GIVE $250k to group 1?
He: Yes but...
She: HOW IS IT INACCURATE TO SAY $250k?
He: (loses temper) Listen biatch, i'm going to have to spell it out for you like a boss...
She: OUTRAGE!1

Later, he apologizes.

Anyway, the only thing I have taken from both stories is that this chick has never felt the penetration of a dick. I feel sorry for her friends and family.


You crammed an awful lot of derp into one post.

I didn't feel her tone was snotty at all. You must have problems with women in your life to get that from her.
Also, it appears you have no idea what neither ALEC nor the NCSL are.
 
2012-04-14 07:08:28 PM

hubiestubert: Considering the political climate, and how many politicians and spokespeople have acted, it is.


As evidence, we have crazyeddie in here.
 
2012-04-14 07:11:23 PM
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2012-04-14 07:11:38 PM

crazyeddie: quatchi: First, Howell lied when he said "I've been to your site, there's not much there".
I've been to Progress VA's site and there's lots of good stuff.

Wait, are you being serious when you include this as a "lie" this man told? Really?
Take party affiliation out of it and ask yourself if what you wrote makes sense and is internally consistent.

A) He's being belittling, basically saying what the girl does is meaningless. "Not much there" could mean either the site is empty, or he finds it vacuous. In one case, he's lying about its content, in the other, he's a petty dick.
 
2012-04-14 07:11:40 PM

crazyeddie: You don't even know my political affiliation. I don't live in Virginia, and I have no dog in this hunt. Just step aside from the politics for a second and view it as two colleagues talking in a hallway. Do you hear her tone and her refusal to acknowledge his points? It's borderline unethical for her to accept his apology, in my opinion.


Ah, you're going the "fark independent" route.
 
2012-04-14 07:15:13 PM

wholedamnshow: Also, it appears you have no idea what neither ALEC nor the NCSL are.


The man in the video acknowledges that the ALEC is a right wing group and that NCSL is a "more moderate group, to be sure." DIRECT QUOTE FROM HIM. Listen to the goddamned video yourself, please, I beg you.

I feel like Andy Dufresne in Shawshank. How can you be so obtuse? The point he is making is that the legislators spent 10x on the moderate (Democratic) group, but she will only acknowledge the 1/10th (over ten years) spent on the more extreme (Republican) group. In his opinion, that's a lie by omission and could easily be considered an example of a 'half-truth.' The fact that she talks over him and won't acknowledge this point understandably upsets him, and he ultimately responds with a poor tone.

I appreciate the intimations of "derp," "idiot," "dick," and myriad other insults heaped on me, but none of you are actually addressing my point. We're talking past each other. You fail to acknowledge that he was actually voicing a reasonable counterpoint, and she didn't play fair with the implied rules of argumentation, specifically the burden of rejoinder. He made a point. She ignored it. That's basically a signal that she has no intention of adult and civil discourse.

The fact that you do not agree with him doesn't make him, or me, unworthy of basic respect. The irony here is thick.
 
2012-04-14 07:17:01 PM

crazyeddie: She is a frigid, barren-wombed harpy who is actually WRONG, and he called her out.


But don't you dare say that conservatives hate women.
 
2012-04-14 07:17:24 PM
I hope she pulls the same stunt on Sean Connery.
 
2012-04-14 07:20:37 PM

crazyeddie: I feel like Andy Dufresne in Shawshank.


Whine louder, someone will hear you.

/I feel like Jesus during puberty!!
 
2012-04-14 07:20:44 PM

crazyeddie:

You don't even know my political affiliation. .


twat is kind of an affiliation
 
2012-04-14 07:22:42 PM

crazyeddie: The man in the video acknowledges that the ALEC is a right wing group and that NCSL is a "more moderate group, to be sure."


It's deliberately misleading, comparing apples to giraffes. NCSL isn't "more moderate" because it isn't partisan at all.

NCSL is made up of ALL state legislators and their staffs, regardless of political affiliation. Their goal is in sharing methods and processes and to smooth interaction between state and federal legislatures. It is a professional organization of state legislators with no specific political agenda.

ALEC is a corporate lobbying group that writes legislation, hands checks to legislators, and expects them to do its will.
 
2012-04-14 07:25:03 PM

crazyeddie: I appreciate the intimations of "derp," "idiot," "dick," and myriad other insults heaped on me, but none of you are actually addressing my point. The fact that you do not agree with him doesn't make him, or me, unworthy of basic respect. The irony here is thick.


You can't have it both ways. If you want to call her a frigid, barren-wombed harpy, go for it. But don't then turn around and whine that nobody is giving you the basic respect that you're due as a human being.
 
2012-04-14 07:25:17 PM

crazyeddie: IIRC, he was right on content, poor on delivery. Conversation went something like this:

He: You wrote things that were inaccurate.
She: *Snottiest voice ever* What was inaccurate?
He: You said we gave $250k to Group 1, but didn't mention that we gave $2.5 Million to the opposition group 2, so it's a bit inaccurate to say we support only group 1...
She: *Rudely Interrupts* DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT GIVE $250k to group 1?!
He: Yes but we also gave 10x that amount to the group you favor...
She *interrupts* SO YOU DIDN'T GIVE $250k to group 1?
He: Yes but...
She: HOW IS IT INACCURATE TO SAY $250k?
He: (loses temper) Listen biatch, i'm going to have to spell it out for you like a boss...
She: OUTRAGE!1

Later, he apologizes.

Anyway, the only thing I have taken from both stories is that this chick has never felt the penetration of a dick. I feel sorry for her friends and family.


People like you make me put off having that particular experience.
 
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