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(The Hollywood Reporter)   The producers of The Walking Dead reflect on a very different season two and what we can expect from season three. "We wanted to kill Herschel, but it wouldn't have done anything for us"   (hollywoodreporter.com) divider line 150
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2012-04-14 12:58:17 PM
Is anyone besides myself so darn tired of Zombie and Vampire movies and series that you want to kick the TV?

'Twilight' turns my stomach and anything with 'the walking dead' in any of their incarnations has been done -- to put it bluntly -- to death. We need some new monsters. Something interesting as well as deadly.

Getting tired of the host of cheap 'slasher' films also, with poor actors, poor scenery and the inevitable guy reducing everyone to bloody bits as bloody as possible.

By the time they ended the 'Saw' series, I was glad to see it go. (For a dying man, 'Saw' certainly was prolific in creating nasty, heavy, complex metal murder devices.)

The Sci-fi channel seems to be investing in a lot of these apparently home made horror films made for about $10.00 and an ounce of weed.

Where oh where is the next GREAT horror writer with NEW ideas. I mean, you can only watch just so many folks get turned into piles of bloody hamburger before it gets humdrum.
 
2012-04-14 12:59:58 PM

Rik01: Something interesting as well as deadly.


We have the OWN network now.

That said, The Walking Dead had a phenomenal last half of the season.
 
2012-04-14 01:01:41 PM
Kill Lori and I will bear your children.
 
2012-04-14 01:12:35 PM
Well this thread went Debbie Downer fast.
 
2012-04-14 01:29:46 PM

coco ebert: Well this thread went Debbie Downer fast.


More like Donny Douchebag.
 
2012-04-14 01:50:17 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Kill Lori and I will bear your children.


i777.photobucket.com
 
2012-04-14 02:00:20 PM
I liked how the article called Carl "an anchor" to the series.
 
2012-04-14 02:04:17 PM
I know I'm virtually alone with this opinion, but I think the show is much better with Lori in it being a biatch than it would be without.
 
2012-04-14 02:08:12 PM

Rik01: Is anyone besides myself so darn tired of Zombie and Vampire movies and series that you want to kick the TV?


Vampire movies and series, yes.

Zombie movies and series? Uh...what other zombie series are out?

Anyway.

FTA:

Getting the call to go see makeup artist/co-producer Nicotero is the kiss of death.

And then:

A fun fact: the scene in which Dale died wasn't rehearsed, at the request of episode director Nicotero.

So they're letting the makeup guy direct episodes?

This explains a lot.
 
2012-04-14 02:15:29 PM

KingoftheCheese: I liked how the article called Carl "an anchor" to the series.


I just assumed it meant "he's the oppressive weight that will drag this show to the bottom of the ocean."
 
2012-04-14 02:37:28 PM

Lando Lincoln: Rik01: Is anyone besides myself so darn tired of Zombie and Vampire movies and series that you want to kick the TV?

Vampire movies and series, yes.

Zombie movies and series? Uh...what other zombie series are out?

Anyway.

FTA:

Getting the call to go see makeup artist/co-producer Nicotero is the kiss of death.

And then:

A fun fact: the scene in which Dale died wasn't rehearsed, at the request of episode director Nicotero.

So they're letting the makeup guy direct episodes?

This explains a lot.


While this does meet the expected level of snark, you do realize that he's also the co-producer? Just because he's good at making people look like they're dead doesn't mean that's all he's capable of. Imagine if whatever your main job is (prison guard?) was the only thing that people thought you were capable of.
 
2012-04-14 02:54:39 PM

timujin: Lando Lincoln: Rik01: Is anyone besides myself so darn tired of Zombie and Vampire movies and series that you want to kick the TV?

Vampire movies and series, yes.

Zombie movies and series? Uh...what other zombie series are out?

Anyway.

FTA:

Getting the call to go see makeup artist/co-producer Nicotero is the kiss of death.

And then:

A fun fact: the scene in which Dale died wasn't rehearsed, at the request of episode director Nicotero.

So they're letting the makeup guy direct episodes?

This explains a lot.

While this does meet the expected level of snark, you do realize that he's also the co-producer? Just because he's good at making people look like they're dead doesn't mean that's all he's capable of. Imagine if whatever your main job is (prison guard?) was the only thing that people thought you were capable of.


That being said, I don't know whether to blame him or the writers for the stupid way Dale died. How the fark does a walker sneak up on you in the middle of a field? Is it a ninja? They shuffle ferfuxake, that's not silent, and it's not like there was any ambient noise to cover the sound.

And they did one of the things I hate most in horror or action movies and used the limits of the camera to define the limits of peripheral vision. Sure, "we" can't see the zombie coming, it just appears from off-camera, but anyone actually standing there would have seen him coming from at least ten of fifteen feet away.
 
2012-04-14 03:01:32 PM

timujin: Lando Lincoln: Rik01: Is anyone besides myself so darn tired of Zombie and Vampire movies and series that you want to kick the TV?

Vampire movies and series, yes.

Zombie movies and series? Uh...what other zombie series are out?

Anyway.

FTA:

Getting the call to go see makeup artist/co-producer Nicotero is the kiss of death.

And then:

A fun fact: the scene in which Dale died wasn't rehearsed, at the request of episode director Nicotero.

So they're letting the makeup guy direct episodes?

This explains a lot.

While this does meet the expected level of snark, you do realize that he's also the co-producer? Just because he's good at making people look like they're dead doesn't mean that's all he's capable of. Imagine if whatever your main job is (prison guard?) was the only thing that people thought you were capable of.


People move from job to job a lot. I have a good friend who's a hair stylist who moved from that to submitting spec scripts for the series she was working on to directing an episode. I know production designers who've moved into directing.
Aside from that, though, the whole "it was unrehearsed" line is as bogus as the action star who "does all his own stunts."
There's no way it was unrehearsed. That's not how it works. They have to block each bit of business to determine camera and lighting placement. Which lenses to use, make sure there aren't C-stands or flags in the shot, that the action happens in the light instead of out of it, that it's in focus, so they have to get camera marks and the actors have to know where there marks are. And they have to know where to cut, go in for coverage, how it's all going to piece together in editing. A huge number of technical issues that have to be worked out in advance.
 
2012-04-14 04:00:58 PM

timujin: timujin: Lando Lincoln: Rik01: Is anyone besides myself so darn tired of Zombie and Vampire movies and series that you want to kick the TV?

Vampire movies and series, yes.

Zombie movies and series? Uh...what other zombie series are out?

Anyway.

FTA:

Getting the call to go see makeup artist/co-producer Nicotero is the kiss of death.

And then:

A fun fact: the scene in which Dale died wasn't rehearsed, at the request of episode director Nicotero.

So they're letting the makeup guy direct episodes?

This explains a lot.

While this does meet the expected level of snark, you do realize that he's also the co-producer? Just because he's good at making people look like they're dead doesn't mean that's all he's capable of. Imagine if whatever your main job is (prison guard?) was the only thing that people thought you were capable of.

That being said, I don't know whether to blame him or the writers for the stupid way Dale died. How the fark does a walker sneak up on you in the middle of a field? Is it a ninja? They shuffle ferfuxake, that's not silent, and it's not like there was any ambient noise to cover the sound.

And they did one of the things I hate most in horror or action movies and used the limits of the camera to define the limits of peripheral vision. Sure, "we" can't see the zombie coming, it just appears from off-camera, but anyone actually standing there would have seen him coming from at least ten of fifteen feet away.


img215.imageshack.us


To be fair Dale was a consistently poor lookout
 
2012-04-14 04:02:06 PM
Herschel post-barn massacre is one of the few things that is keeping this shiatty show together. They even gave him an infinite ammo cheat in the finale.
 
2012-04-14 04:02:54 PM

Rik01: Getting tired of the host of cheap 'slasher' films also, with poor actors, poor scenery and the inevitable guy reducing everyone to bloody bits as bloody as possible.


You mean the ones that have been popular for the last 30-odd years? Wow. You're cutting edge.
 
2012-04-14 04:04:05 PM

KingoftheCheese: I liked how the article called Carl "an anchor" to the series.


he's the one character, with lori, who needs to die asap.
 
2012-04-14 04:06:12 PM
My biggest peeve with walking dead is the fact that the zombies are so weak individually.

There is no way in hell those army groups would have lost to the zombies shuffling at them. They apparently had 50-cals overrun by them. The bullets from those will rip your leg off even if it misses. Zombies wouldn't get close, and a handful of soldiers could easily stave them off until they ran out of ammo. I guarantee there are enough rifles and ammo in any county in America to keep them cleansed. Big cities might be an abandoned mess, but the zombies wouldn't be winning everywhere.

Now, I can put aside that disbelief and enjoy show, but I still see them doing a bad job of maintaining supplies of ammo, as well as crafting weapons better suited to zombie attacks. Where are the spears? Why haven't they stopped at a sporting goods store to re-supply?

No, they divided up a small handful of knives some dude kept in his car, never bring a good amount of bullets with them when they go anywhere (which is why I liked the bit where they had to go to the school for the healthcare supplies because they didn't have time to prepare for the trip, otherwise it would annoy me that they went in with so little ammo). They should still be hotwiring more cars and running zombies over too. Learn to use a screwdriver in an ignition, sheesh.

Still, they I do enjoy the special effects of the zombies, and they've come up with some decent excuses for splitting the team up in ways that allow the wimpiest zombies of all time to be a serious threat.
 
2012-04-14 04:06:24 PM
The makers of this show need to realize that situations create drama -- not characters.

Season 1 drew people in because the situations were dramatic.

Season 2 tried stupidly to create drama by having characters act stupidly. It's a slap in the face to viewers -- and takes the show into cheesy horror flick territory.
 
2012-04-14 04:13:50 PM
Season 2 was so much better than season 1. Way more intense and interesting. Except for the season finale. That was a very weak episode.
 
2012-04-14 04:15:03 PM
yep, season 3 is gonna be the shiat

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2012-04-14 04:17:21 PM

heinrich66: The makers of this show need to realize that situations create drama -- not characters.

Season 1 drew people in because the situations were dramatic.

Season 2 tried stupidly to create drama by having characters act stupidly. It's a slap in the face to viewers -- and takes the show into cheesy horror flick territory.


True, but the characters ARE stupid, and people would and do act stupidly in those situations.
 
2012-04-14 04:17:25 PM
It looks like they learned a lot from a lack of funding and a lack of zombies in a world that is suppose to be full of zombies.
/am excited for season 3
 
2012-04-14 04:21:46 PM

KingoftheCheese: I liked how the article called Carl "an anchor" to the series.


It's true;he dragged down the season considerably.
 
2012-04-14 04:22:06 PM

Smackledorfer: They apparently had 50-cals overrun by them. The bullets from those will rip your leg off even if it misses.


No, they won't. They're big bullets, but they're not magical.
 
2012-04-14 04:23:04 PM

OtherLittleGuy: Kill Lori and I will bear your children.


Despite the differences from the graphic novel, this is almost certain to happen. It may not happen at the same time or in the same way, but it's too integral not to. The broader story arc is both about what Rick is prepared to do in order to save his family, and what becomes of people's humanity when the world goes to shiat. Both Rick and Carl are necessary to that broader plot arc. I wouldn't say anyone else is safe, though.

Tatsuma: KingoftheCheese: I liked how the article called Carl "an anchor" to the series.

he's the one character, with lori, who needs to die asap.


Again, if you've read the graphic novel, Carl is the anchor. The upside? I'm pretty sure you'll be facinated by where Carl's character goes as he matures. He may be an annoying kid now, but that'll change.

Prior to the tv series, I was aware of, but hadn't read TWD. After reading a few issues, I was hooked. I blew through the entire 95 issue run in a weekend. It's a really interesting story, and at the current pace, the TV series would need another 7 or 8 years to get through Kirkman's story to date.
 
2012-04-14 04:23:42 PM

The English Major: KingoftheCheese: I liked how the article called Carl "an anchor" to the series.

I just assumed it meant "he's the oppressive weight that will drag this show to the bottom of the ocean."


And I should have scanned the thread before posting. Mea culpa.
 
2012-04-14 04:25:24 PM

unyon: Again, if you've read the graphic novel, Carl is the anchor. The upside? I'm pretty sure you'll be facinated by where Carl's character goes as he matures. He may be an annoying kid now, but that'll change.


I literally picked up on that series with the first comic book that came out. Carl in the comics (or Shane or Lori for that matter) are nothing like in the series.
 
2012-04-14 04:30:48 PM
Lando Lincoln So they're letting the makeup guy direct episodes? This explains a lot.

He's always directed the zombie stuff-if you're still butthurt he directed these webisodes
Link (new window)
before he did the full-length ones. The problems with the show are NOT the special fx
 
2012-04-14 04:33:30 PM
I will never understand the lack of mele weapons and training with mele weapons. Shields, people! Bats with nails in them! Axes! The comic wasn't very good at this either, but it was much better than the show. They have already established that guns bring zombies. If guns bring zombies, mele weapons are you friend. They should be making and practicing. There's a reason medieval warriors carried shields. They allow you to protect yourself long enough to hurt your enemy. The able bodied should be wading into groups of zombies and smashing until they're too tired, then falling back. I've always found it hard to believe that not a single member of that group has any sort of military experience. They should have fortified the farm. Every few days go out and grab a few cars pack them with dirt and use them to form a ring around the farm to funnel the zombies into pre-selected kill zones. Maybe dig some trenches.
/end rant
 
2012-04-14 04:36:38 PM

Mildot: yep, season 3 is gonna be the shiat


I think this is far more likely going by the last two.
 
2012-04-14 04:40:00 PM

Fish in a Barrel: Smackledorfer: They apparently had 50-cals overrun by them. The bullets from those will rip your leg off even if it misses.

No, they won't. They're big bullets, but they're not magical.


Not to mention that you'd just get a crawling zombie coming at you instead of a walker. That said, I'm not sure why at least a few large cities like Atlanta weren't nuked after they became hopelessly overrun to try to wipe out the large concentrations of infection. Zombies cant hurt you when they have been turned into shadows on the wall, and knocking out large swarms would have given people in rural areas (who have the weapons and means of food production to survive long term) more of a fighting chance. Once you have a uncontrolled outbreak, a little fallout isn't quite so bad in comparison, especially if you were able to lure large swarms to a handful of key cities targeted for destruction.
 
2012-04-14 04:44:21 PM

Fish in a Barrel: Smackledorfer: They apparently had 50-cals overrun by them. The bullets from those will rip your leg off even if it misses.

No, they won't. They're big bullets, but they're not magical.


But they will go through several ranks of zombies. If you set the tripod up at chest height, you could fire into the crowd and when you've winnowed it down some with your machine guns (7.62 M240B's will also tear through a few people before being done) you can send in your close combat guys with e-tools or other (previously ranted about) mele weapons.
 
2012-04-14 04:44:58 PM

unyon: OtherLittleGuy: Kill Lori and I will bear your children.

Despite the differences from the graphic novel, this is almost certain to happen. It may not happen at the same time or in the same way, but it's too integral not to. The broader story arc is both about what Rick is prepared to do in order to save his family, and what becomes of people's humanity when the world goes to shiat. Both Rick and Carl are necessary to that broader plot arc. I wouldn't say anyone else is safe, though.

Tatsuma: KingoftheCheese: I liked how the article called Carl "an anchor" to the series.

he's the one character, with lori, who needs to die asap.

Again, if you've read the graphic novel, Carl is the anchor. The upside? I'm pretty sure you'll be facinated by where Carl's character goes as he matures. He may be an annoying kid now, but that'll change.

Prior to the tv series, I was aware of, but hadn't read TWD. After reading a few issues, I was hooked. I blew through the entire 95 issue run in a weekend. It's a really interesting story, and at the current pace, the TV series would need another 7 or 8 years to get through Kirkman's story to date.


Not really, the tv show could catch up to the comic book in about 4 seasons:
Season 3 The prison
Season 4 The Governer
Season 5 The walled town (can't remember the name of it)
Where we are in #95 I would assume would be 3rd episode in Season 6. Personally I hate comic book Carl as much as TV show Carl although CB Carl is much much more tormented than TV Carl. The think I hate about the Comic Book is it is too long between releases and too short. Waiting a month to read 5 minutes worth of material is torture.
 
2012-04-14 04:46:47 PM

Ivandrago: I will never understand the lack of mele weapons and training with mele weapons. Shields, people! Bats with nails in them! Axes! The comic wasn't very good at this either, but it was much better than the show. They have already established that guns bring zombies. If guns bring zombies, mele weapons are you friend. They should be making and practicing. There's a reason medieval warriors carried shields. They allow you to protect yourself long enough to hurt your enemy. The able bodied should be wading into groups of zombies and smashing until they're too tired, then falling back. I've always found it hard to believe that not a single member of that group has any sort of military experience. They should have fortified the farm. Every few days go out and grab a few cars pack them with dirt and use them to form a ring around the farm to funnel the zombies into pre-selected kill zones. Maybe dig some trenches.
/end rant


oh jesus christ will you stop making SENSE. its TV.

trenches tho are not what you need. did you read world war z? more than trenches, you need rooftops.

you have a sharpshooter team and a few thousand rounds on the roof of a 3rd story apt building you can rid a city center of zombies in a weekend if they keep coming towards the noise. hell, not even 3rd story apt building....roof of a fast food restaurant.
 
2012-04-14 04:48:26 PM

Ivandrago: I will never understand the lack of mele weapons and training with mele weapons. Shields, people! Bats with nails in them! Axes! The comic wasn't very good at this either, but it was much better than the show. They have already established that guns bring zombies. If guns bring zombies, mele weapons are you friend. They should be making and practicing. There's a reason medieval warriors carried shields. They allow you to protect yourself long enough to hurt your enemy. The able bodied should be wading into groups of zombies and smashing until they're too tired, then falling back. I've always found it hard to believe that not a single member of that group has any sort of military experience. They should have fortified the farm. Every few days go out and grab a few cars pack them with dirt and use them to form a ring around the farm to funnel the zombies into pre-selected kill zones. Maybe dig some trenches.
/end rant


Plus with zombies being stupid, you can take advantage of tactics like Hannibal employed with the Romans and funnel them into an area designed to be abbatoir, surrounding them on all sides. At the battle of Cannae, for example, Hannibal surrounded the Roman forces so well that the hardest part of the battle for his men was the sheer exhaustion caused by slaughtering thousands of helpless Romans for the better part of a day. It should be fairly easy for a well organized group to herd the undead exactly where they want them.
 
2012-04-14 04:50:28 PM

Father_Jack: Ivandrago: I will never understand the lack of mele weapons and training with mele weapons. Shields, people! Bats with nails in them! Axes! The comic wasn't very good at this either, but it was much better than the show. They have already established that guns bring zombies. If guns bring zombies, mele weapons are you friend. They should be making and practicing. There's a reason medieval warriors carried shields. They allow you to protect yourself long enough to hurt your enemy. The able bodied should be wading into groups of zombies and smashing until they're too tired, then falling back. I've always found it hard to believe that not a single member of that group has any sort of military experience. They should have fortified the farm. Every few days go out and grab a few cars pack them with dirt and use them to form a ring around the farm to funnel the zombies into pre-selected kill zones. Maybe dig some trenches.
/end rant

oh jesus christ will you stop making SENSE. its TV.

trenches tho are not what you need. did you read world war z? more than trenches, you need rooftops.

you have a sharpshooter team and a few thousand rounds on the roof of a 3rd story apt building you can rid a city center of zombies in a weekend if they keep coming towards the noise. hell, not even 3rd story apt building....roof of a fast food restaurant.


That's why you send Ramierez to secure Burger Town.
 
2012-04-14 04:51:53 PM

Smackledorfer: My biggest peeve with walking dead is the fact that the zombies are so weak individually.

There is no way in hell those army groups would have lost to the zombies shuffling at them. They apparently had 50-cals overrun by them. The bullets from those will rip your leg off even if it misses. Zombies wouldn't get close, and a handful of soldiers could easily stave them off until they ran out of ammo. I guarantee there are enough rifles and ammo in any county in America to keep them cleansed. Big cities might be an abandoned mess, but the zombies wouldn't be winning everywhere.

Now, I can put aside that disbelief and enjoy show, but I still see them doing a bad job of maintaining supplies of ammo, as well as crafting weapons better suited to zombie attacks. Where are the spears? Why haven't they stopped at a sporting goods store to re-supply?

No, they divided up a small handful of knives some dude kept in his car, never bring a good amount of bullets with them when they go anywhere (which is why I liked the bit where they had to go to the school for the healthcare supplies because they didn't have time to prepare for the trip, otherwise it would annoy me that they went in with so little ammo). They should still be hotwiring more cars and running zombies over too. Learn to use a screwdriver in an ignition, sheesh.

Still, they I do enjoy the special effects of the zombies, and they've come up with some decent excuses for splitting the team up in ways that allow the wimpiest zombies of all time to be a serious threat.


Keep watching. It's coming.
 
2012-04-14 04:57:30 PM

unyon:
Again, if you've read the graphic novel, Carl is the anchor. The upside? I'm pretty sure you'll be facinated by where Carl's character goes as he matures. He may be an annoying kid now, but that'll change.

Prior to the tv series, I was aware of, but hadn't read TWD. After reading a few issues, I was hooked. I blew through the entire 95 issue run in a weekend. It's a really interesting story, and at the current pace, the TV series would need another 7 or 8 years to get through Kirkman's story to date.


That's a huge problem for the series in regards to Carl, though. In 7-8 years the actor will be in his early 20's.
 
2012-04-14 04:58:02 PM
oh jesus christ will you stop making SENSE. its TV.

trenches tho are not what you need. did you read world war z? more than trenches, you need rooftops.

you have a sharpshooter team and a few thousand rounds on the roof of a 3rd story apt building you can rid a city center of zombies in a weekend if they keep coming towards the noise. hell, not even 3rd story apt building....roof of a fast food restaurant.

I meant trenches to trap the zombies. I did not make that clear. You're right, though, it is TV. It can suspend my disbelief, and if they did what I advocate, there would be a less interesting TV show. But as a former machine gunner, there is nothing more fun than letting loose on a pinned or funneled enemy.
 
2012-04-14 05:02:19 PM
13. T-Dogg (IronE Singleton) will continue to trend on Twitter during every episode -- "in a good way," Mazzara said. Acknowledging that the fan-favorite character is considered to have been under used this season, the showrunner explained T-Dogg has been intentionally quiet as he watches the insanity unfold around him.

Oh, I see now. TDogg didn't have any lines because of bad writing. It was done intentionally because he is supposed to be that one black guy in a group of crazy white people, that doesn't say anything, mainly because they probably wouldn't listen to him and would go back to fighting among themselves, but just shakes his head and thinks to himself, "Crazy white muthafarkers", as he quietly looks and waits for a better situation for himself.
 
2012-04-14 05:06:22 PM

Ivandrago: oh jesus christ will you stop making SENSE. its TV.

trenches tho are not what you need. did you read world war z? more than trenches, you need rooftops.

you have a sharpshooter team and a few thousand rounds on the roof of a 3rd story apt building you can rid a city center of zombies in a weekend if they keep coming towards the noise. hell, not even 3rd story apt building....roof of a fast food restaurant.

I meant trenches to trap the zombies. I did not make that clear. You're right, though, it is TV. It can suspend my disbelief, and if they did what I advocate, there would be a less interesting TV show. But as a former machine gunner, there is nothing more fun than letting loose on a pinned or funneled enemy.


The most Shane and Rick would know to do is get the fark outta the way and let SWAT or the riot team deal with something like this. Not that they'd be helpful. Military training is somewhat lacking in the group. If you didn't notice.

That's kinda what makes it fun though. You get to shout your obviously superior moves at the TV. I do it all the time! Good times. good times.
 
2012-04-14 05:09:02 PM

Tatsuma: I literally picked up on that series with the first comic book that came out. Carl in the comics (or Shane or Lori for that matter) are nothing like in the series.


I would dispute that. Book Lori was certainly conflicted, frustrated, and concerned with who Rick was becoming. She was also annoying, in that she held him responsible for making the hard choices that needed to be made. If not for their unborn child, I'd have wished death on comic book Lori, too.

rikkards: the tv show could catch up to the comic book in about 4 seasons:
Season 3 The prison
Season 4 The Governor
Season 5 The walled town (can't remember the name of it)
Where we are in #95 I would assume would be 3rd episode in Season 6. Personally I hate comic book Carl as much as TV show Carl although CB Carl is much much more tormented than TV Carl. The think I hate about the Comic Book is it is too long between releases and too short. Waiting a month to read 5 minutes worth of material is torture.


You've missed a bunch between 4 and 5. That's the post-prison recovery, Rick's fragile mental state, the journey from the prison to Washington, the cannibals, the trip home, introduction of Morgan and Abraham, etc. The period just after the prison was also pretty formative in terms of Carl's assertiveness and aggression. This period covers episodes 9, 10, 11, and 12 in the book. If you're giving prison/governor two seasons, you'd want to give this period equal if not greater treatment. There is at least one season there and as many as three.
 
2012-04-14 05:11:54 PM

Rik01: Is anyone besides myself so darn tired of Zombie and Vampire movies and series that you want to kick the TV?

'Twilight' turns my stomach and anything with 'the walking dead' in any of their incarnations has been done -- to put it bluntly -- to death. We need some new monsters. Something interesting as well as deadly.

Getting tired of the host of cheap 'slasher' films also, with poor actors, poor scenery and the inevitable guy reducing everyone to bloody bits as bloody as possible.

By the time they ended the 'Saw' series, I was glad to see it go. (For a dying man, 'Saw' certainly was prolific in creating nasty, heavy, complex metal murder devices.)


Why does stuff that's playing in movie theaters make you want to kick your TV?

And who's holding the gun to your head and forcing you to watch?
 
2012-04-14 05:12:26 PM

rikkards: The think I hate about the Comic Book is it is too long between releases and too short. Waiting a month to read 5 minutes worth of material is torture.


This, I agree with. If I hadn't been 6 years behind on the book and plowed through them all, it would have been frustrating. I just read 95, and it probably didn't take me much more than about 10 minutes.
 
2012-04-14 05:15:13 PM

Methadone Girls: Ivandrago: oh jesus christ will you stop making SENSE. its TV.

trenches tho are not what you need. did you read world war z? more than trenches, you need rooftops.

you have a sharpshooter team and a few thousand rounds on the roof of a 3rd story apt building you can rid a city center of zombies in a weekend if they keep coming towards the noise. hell, not even 3rd story apt building....roof of a fast food restaurant.

I meant trenches to trap the zombies. I did not make that clear. You're right, though, it is TV. It can suspend my disbelief, and if they did what I advocate, there would be a less interesting TV show. But as a former machine gunner, there is nothing more fun than letting loose on a pinned or funneled enemy.

The most Shane and Rick would know to do is get the fark outta the way and let SWAT or the riot team deal with something like this. Not that they'd be helpful. Military training is somewhat lacking in the group. If you didn't notice.

That's kinda what makes it fun though. You get to shout your obviously superior moves at the TV. I do it all the time! Good times. good times.


I guess that's what makes it a little harder as a former Infantryman. I have a pretty good idea about small unit tactics and basic base defense. But no one on the show (though there was eventually one guy in the comics who is a veteran and he's something of a bad-ass, but he never really applies his knowledge) is a veteran? It's just crazy to me. I'm currently in law school and there's enough vets around who would at least not be clueless about this stuff. Dale obviously wouldn't be a vet. But neither Shane nor Rick? Glenn? T-Dog? Herschel? Otis? Redneck guy whose name I can never remember? None of the chicks? (see I'm not sexist). Boggles my mind. They should have been able to stay at that farm forever without fear of zombies.
 
2012-04-14 05:21:04 PM

Methadone Girls: Smackledorfer: My biggest peeve with walking dead is the fact that the zombies are so weak individually.

There is no way in hell those army groups would have lost to the zombies shuffling at them. They apparently had 50-cals overrun by them. The bullets from those will rip your leg off even if it misses. Zombies wouldn't get close, and a handful of soldiers could easily stave them off until they ran out of ammo. I guarantee there are enough rifles and ammo in any county in America to keep them cleansed. Big cities might be an abandoned mess, but the zombies wouldn't be winning everywhere.

Now, I can put aside that disbelief and enjoy show, but I still see them doing a bad job of maintaining supplies of ammo, as well as crafting weapons better suited to zombie attacks. Where are the spears? Why haven't they stopped at a sporting goods store to re-supply?

No, they divided up a small handful of knives some dude kept in his car, never bring a good amount of bullets with them when they go anywhere (which is why I liked the bit where they had to go to the school for the healthcare supplies because they didn't have time to prepare for the trip, otherwise it would annoy me that they went in with so little ammo). They should still be hotwiring more cars and running zombies over too. Learn to use a screwdriver in an ignition, sheesh.

Still, they I do enjoy the special effects of the zombies, and they've come up with some decent excuses for splitting the team up in ways that allow the wimpiest zombies of all time to be a serious threat.

Keep watching. It's coming.


What does this response even mean with respect to anything I said?
 
2012-04-14 05:26:04 PM
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2012-04-14 05:28:55 PM

Tatsuma: Herschel post-barn massacre is one of the few things that is keeping this shiatty show together. They even gave him an infinite ammo cheat in the finale.


With a shotgun no less.
 
2012-04-14 05:34:25 PM
Meh, i'm gonna give a pass on S3 or any other seasons of it. S1 was decent, but was hoping that they would flesh out the story and writing in S2, which they didn't. It even got worst and the pace was slower. Way too much drama. I don't mind drama, but the entire season being on the farm just sucked.

They need better writers.
 
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