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2012-04-14 01:24:17 PM

Mavent: Salt Lick Steady: And nice ironic misogyny there, implying that only women get child support.

Dear retard: read the title of the article again.


Oh, so you were basing your statement on the headline rather than the article?

/dear retard
//my body is wracked with the fiery pangs of your retort
 
2012-04-14 01:26:07 PM

kronicfeld: Salt Lick Steady: No man or woman who deserves child support is going to work it out via gentlemanly agreement. You nearly always have to go to court

I do this for a living, literally every day. You are unbelievably wrong.


What state? And true, I should qualify that with "no rational person" would do that, but that's probably the lawyer in me.
 
2012-04-14 01:44:32 PM

Salt Lick Steady: Oh, so you were basing your statement on the headline rather than the article?


I was basing my statement on the discussion occurring in the thread. I have no idea what you were basing YOUR comments on. I can't spend every waking moment trying to figure out how some random person on Fark is going to try and twist my words to support their own personal agenda. The article, the headline, AND the thread were all talking about women receiving child support.

However, if you really want to get nit-picky, I suppose I could point out that all I ever said was that men are fully capable of resolving child support issues without involving the courts. If it makes you feel better, that goes for getting as well as giving child support.
 
2012-04-14 01:50:17 PM

Guidette Frankentits: The money would better be spent on genetic testing every kid with every dad.


I agree.

/no more lies
 
2012-04-14 01:57:31 PM

kronicfeld: Salt Lick Steady: No man or woman who deserves child support is going to work it out via gentlemanly agreement. You nearly always have to go to court

I do this for a living, literally every day. You are unbelievably wrong.


Gentlemanly agreements will come back to bite you on the azz, though.
At least with garnishments and automatic deductions, there's proof the money was sent. With these extralegal 'agreements' shiat goes horribly wrong when a dude pays up, but then the baby mama conveniently forgets that he did pay, in order to get back at him, and there's no proof he did.

Get rid of child support. If you have the money to pay for the child, then you should have custody. If you do not have the money to pay for the upkeep of a child, you should not have custody. The person who is able to pay for the upkeep of raising a child can then hire whomever. If that means paying the biological mother, then that's a legitimate job.

No more biatches with 2 and 3 dudes paying support, and not having to work.
No more biatches demanding that a child have a certain lifestyle -- on the tab of the (alleged) sperm donor.

You want to provide for that child, prove you can pay for it yourself.

/child support needs a mechanism of ensuring that payments go to the child and not other shiat
//every dime should be accounted for
///the person who pays should get veto authority on how those dimes are spent
 
2012-04-14 02:09:24 PM

Aulus: Christian Peacekeepers Teams


What? Is that a snarky reference that I'm not getting?
 
2012-04-14 02:11:31 PM

Wyalt Derp: "Should Iowa child support recipients prove they don't do drugs?"

Thought it was supposed to be "innocent till proven guilty", not the other way round.


Well, you thought wrong.
 
2012-04-14 02:14:59 PM

LarryDan43: Politcians take quite a bit more of our tax dollars in the form of a salary than a single mother does. Drug test the ones who receive the most money and work your way down.


I think all those government contractors should be tested. I don't want my tax dollars supporting some addict's lifestyle!
 
2012-04-14 02:15:28 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: kronicfeld: Salt Lick Steady: No man or woman who deserves child support is going to work it out via gentlemanly agreement. You nearly always have to go to court

I do this for a living, literally every day. You are unbelievably wrong.

Gentlemanly agreements will come back to bite you on the azz, though.
At least with garnishments and automatic deductions, there's proof the money was sent. With these extralegal 'agreements' shiat goes horribly wrong when a dude pays up, but then the baby mama conveniently forgets that he did pay, in order to get back at him, and there's no proof he did.

Get rid of child support. If you have the money to pay for the child, then you should have custody. If you do not have the money to pay for the upkeep of a child, you should not have custody. The person who is able to pay for the upkeep of raising a child can then hire whomever. If that means paying the biological mother, then that's a legitimate job.

No more biatches with 2 and 3 dudes paying support, and not having to work.
No more biatches demanding that a child have a certain lifestyle -- on the tab of the (alleged) sperm donor.

You want to provide for that child, prove you can pay for it yourself.

/child support needs a mechanism of ensuring that payments go to the child and not other shiat
//every dime should be accounted for
///the person who pays should get veto authority on how those dimes are spent


As a woman who receives child support... I would like to kindly invite you to go fark yourself.

My EX was a lying, manipulative cheater who made me drop out of school twice just to ensure I COULDENT make it on my own... I had to take him to court finally because he REFUSED to help after he abandoned me and our three kids. Your telling me that he is somehow a more fit parent than me because he makes more money?

What you're suggesting is a form of slavery for women, and a way to keep them under control of a man even if they escape a bad marriage. Do you HONESTLY not see a problam with that?
 
2012-04-14 02:33:50 PM

RosettaStone: Aulus: Christian Peacekeepers Teams

What? Is that a snarky reference that I'm not getting?


Sorry, got the name wrong, Christian Peacemakers Teams, see Link (new window)

Remember the group that got kidnapped over there a few years back, the one where one of the three person team got killed? That group of three was my niece's before she left Iraq and the guy who got killed was her replacement.
 
2012-04-14 02:42:45 PM

kronicfeld: Nem Wan: Republicans think being poor is a crime so of course being on welfare should be like being on probation or parole.

Child support isn't welfare.


Bears repeating.
 
2012-04-14 02:44:19 PM

Need Help Soonish: As a woman who receives child support... I would like to kindly invite you to go fark yourself.

My EX was a lying, manipulative cheater who made me drop out of school twice just to ensure I COULDENT make it on my own... I had to take him to court finally because he REFUSED to help after he abandoned me and our three kids. Your telling me that he is somehow a more fit parent than me because he makes more money?

What you're suggesting is a form of slavery for women, and a way to keep them under control of a man even if they escape a bad marriage. Do you HONESTLY not see a problam with that?


Assuming he isn't trolling? No, no he doesn't. Now get into the kitchen, need a sandwich.
 
2012-04-14 02:48:56 PM

Di Atribe: FTFA: The proposal came from Sen. Mark Chelgren, R-Ottumwa who said he was pushing the idea on behalf of an unidentified constituent who believed his ex was using child support money for illegal drugs.

Then prosecute that one woman, you dopes.


Well, I guess nobody can say he isn't accountable to his constituent.
 
2012-04-14 02:49:13 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Need Help Soonish: As a woman who receives child support... I would like to kindly invite you to go fark yourself.

My EX was a lying, manipulative cheater who made me drop out of school twice just to ensure I COULDENT make it on my own... I had to take him to court finally because he REFUSED to help after he abandoned me and our three kids. Your telling me that he is somehow a more fit parent than me because he makes more money?

What you're suggesting is a form of slavery for women, and a way to keep them under control of a man even if they escape a bad marriage. Do you HONESTLY not see a problam with that?

Assuming he isn't trolling? No, no he doesn't. Now get into the kitchen, need a sandwich.


Are you sure you want me in the kitchen? I keep a lot of sharp things in there...
 
2012-04-14 02:54:38 PM

Need Help Soonish: Satanic_Hamster: Need Help Soonish: As a woman who receives child support... I would like to kindly invite you to go fark yourself.

My EX was a lying, manipulative cheater who made me drop out of school twice just to ensure I COULDENT make it on my own... I had to take him to court finally because he REFUSED to help after he abandoned me and our three kids. Your telling me that he is somehow a more fit parent than me because he makes more money?

What you're suggesting is a form of slavery for women, and a way to keep them under control of a man even if they escape a bad marriage. Do you HONESTLY not see a problam with that?

Assuming he isn't trolling? No, no he doesn't. Now get into the kitchen, need a sandwich.

Are you sure you want me in the kitchen? I keep a lot of sharp things in there...


Now now, I'm sure we can all come together and agree that it's not males or females who are the problem. It's just that humans suck in general.

/Especially men.
//But especially women.
///And especially children.
////Adults too.
 
2012-04-14 02:54:57 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: kronicfeld: Salt Lick Steady: No man or woman who deserves child support is going to work it out via gentlemanly agreement. You nearly always have to go to court

I do this for a living, literally every day. You are unbelievably wrong.

Gentlemanly agreements will come back to bite you on the azz, though.
At least with garnishments and automatic deductions, there's proof the money was sent. With these extralegal 'agreements' shiat goes horribly wrong when a dude pays up, but then the baby mama conveniently forgets that he did pay, in order to get back at him, and there's no proof he did.

Get rid of child support. If you have the money to pay for the child, then you should have custody. If you do not have the money to pay for the upkeep of a child, you should not have custody. The person who is able to pay for the upkeep of raising a child can then hire whomever. If that means paying the biological mother, then that's a legitimate job.

No more biatches with 2 and 3 dudes paying support, and not having to work.
No more biatches demanding that a child have a certain lifestyle -- on the tab of the (alleged) sperm donor.

You want to provide for that child, prove you can pay for it yourself.

/child support needs a mechanism of ensuring that payments go to the child and not other shiat
//every dime should be accounted for
///the person who pays should get veto authority on how those dimes are spent


What an outstandingly stupid and misogynist post. Did mommy touch you?
 
2012-04-14 02:56:37 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: kronicfeld: Salt Lick Steady: No man or woman who deserves child support is going to work it out via gentlemanly agreement. You nearly always have to go to court

I do this for a living, literally every day. You are unbelievably wrong.

Gentlemanly agreements will come back to bite you on the azz, though.
At least with garnishments and automatic deductions, there's proof the money was sent. With these extralegal 'agreements' shiat goes horribly wrong when a dude pays up, but then the baby mama conveniently forgets that he did pay, in order to get back at him, and there's no proof he did.

Get rid of child support. If you have the money to pay for the child, then you should have custody. If you do not have the money to pay for the upkeep of a child, you should not have custody. The person who is able to pay for the upkeep of raising a child can then hire whomever. If that means paying the biological mother, then that's a legitimate job.

No more biatches with 2 and 3 dudes paying support, and not having to work.
No more biatches demanding that a child have a certain lifestyle -- on the tab of the (alleged) sperm donor.

You want to provide for that child, prove you can pay for it yourself.

/child support needs a mechanism of ensuring that payments go to the child and not other shiat
//every dime should be accounted for
///the person who pays should get veto authority on how those dimes are spent


www.bundyology.com
 
2012-04-14 03:09:36 PM

Need Help Soonish: Are you sure you want me in the kitchen? I keep a lot of sharp things in there...


Eh. Mine's bigger.
 
2012-04-14 03:11:50 PM

Lochsteppe: Need Help Soonish: Satanic_Hamster: Need Help Soonish: As a woman who receives child support... I would like to kindly invite you to go fark yourself.

My EX was a lying, manipulative cheater who made me drop out of school twice just to ensure I COULDENT make it on my own... I had to take him to court finally because he REFUSED to help after he abandoned me and our three kids. Your telling me that he is somehow a more fit parent than me because he makes more money?

What you're suggesting is a form of slavery for women, and a way to keep them under control of a man even if they escape a bad marriage. Do you HONESTLY not see a problam with that?

Assuming he isn't trolling? No, no he doesn't. Now get into the kitchen, need a sandwich.

Are you sure you want me in the kitchen? I keep a lot of sharp things in there...

Now now, I'm sure we can all come together and agree that it's not males or females who are the problem. It's just that humans suck in general.

/Especially men.
//But especially women.
///And especially children.
////Adults too.


I agree that humans suck. It just seems like some of them suck harder than others...

///Honestly, that may be the first time I read a post on fark and honestly wished the person who wrote it was close enough to get a good hold on... SOOOO much stupid in one small post... Amazing.
 
2012-04-14 03:13:57 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Guidette Frankentits: The money would better be spent on genetic testing every kid with every dad.

I agree.

/no more lies


Because .0001% of the time there is actually a question as to paternity, it should be presumed that the woman is lying. Yes, they're all out to get you, you're not paranoid at all.
 
2012-04-14 03:14:15 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Need Help Soonish: Are you sure you want me in the kitchen? I keep a lot of sharp things in there...

Eh. Mine's bigger.


*eyebrow wiggle*

Ya sure?

Im kind of well known for my collection of pointy things ;)

///My shiny, SHINNY pointy things!
 
2012-04-14 03:27:15 PM

Need Help Soonish: Satanic_Hamster: Need Help Soonish: Are you sure you want me in the kitchen? I keep a lot of sharp things in there...

Eh. Mine's bigger.

*eyebrow wiggle*

Ya sure?

Im kind of well known for my collection of pointy things ;)

///My shiny, SHINNY pointy things!


Ladies, ladies...

I'm sure if the two of you just got into some sexy lingerie this dispute can be amicably settled with a good old fashioned pillow fight.

Better make it the best 2 outta 3 just to make sure.

/Blessed are the Peacemakers or so it's been said. ^_^
 
2012-04-14 03:47:48 PM

Need Help Soonish: Satanic_Hamster: Need Help Soonish: Are you sure you want me in the kitchen? I keep a lot of sharp things in there...

Eh. Mine's bigger.

*eyebrow wiggle*

Ya sure?

Im kind of well known for my collection of pointy things ;)

///My shiny, SHINNY pointy things!


Well HELLO there.

img0.etsystatic.com
 
2012-04-14 04:02:34 PM

Sabyen91: Need Help Soonish: Satanic_Hamster: Need Help Soonish: Are you sure you want me in the kitchen? I keep a lot of sharp things in there...

Eh. Mine's bigger.

*eyebrow wiggle*

Ya sure?

Im kind of well known for my collection of pointy things ;)

///My shiny, SHINNY pointy things!

Well HELLO there.

[img0.etsystatic.com image 480x480]


*Gasps!*

Sabyen91, you stole Madonnas bra you naughty man!!!

... also, that would never fit :/
 
2012-04-14 04:44:01 PM
Then we should drug test the parents who aren't paying child support as well.
 
2012-04-14 04:57:08 PM

kronicfeld: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Guidette Frankentits: The money would better be spent on genetic testing every kid with every dad.

I agree.

/no more lies

Because .0001% of the time there is actually a question as to paternity, it should be presumed that the woman is lying. Yes, they're all out to get you, you're not paranoid at all.


Given that, according to a woman's health magazine, in 1991 10% of women admitted to cheating on their spouse and in 2006, 15% admitted it, your numbers are a bit off. Then again, when you make up statistics to prove your point, it is important to exaggerate as much as possible.

Just ignore the fact that for years men who did not work were called "bums" and "losers" no matter what contribution they made at home whereas women were called "homemakers" and were "giving up a career" even if they sat on the couch all day. In many places, until it was declared unconstitutional, men could not receive alimony. In many places, courts will place children in the custody of women simply because she is a woman saying that it is in the "best interests of the child" even though the woman does not have the means to support the child.

I am not saying there isn't sexism against women which occurs in many arenas of life. However, to pretend that men don't get discriminated against in domestic relations court reveals a very narrow world view and ignorance of how the law is stacked against men in that area. This is sexist against both men and women because it is a relic from a time when women could not economically leave their husbands. To pretend that this is the norm today and refuse to change the law to reflect the enhanced earning power of women in 2012 America is a great injustice and is hopefully rectified soon.

All I want is a world that is gender blind when it comes to domestic relations and where a person is judged based on their character and not what is between their legs.
 
2012-04-14 05:02:10 PM
My aunt's ex, a drunk who has been in jail twice for possession of drug paraphernalia, has tried to get custody of my young cousin every time my little cousin said that she had had alcohol. This includes times when she had one glass of wine at Thanksgiving dinner and then, two hours later, rode in the passenger's seat while my uncle-the husband she married when her son was a couple years old, who isn't the father of her son, drove. He didn't drive because she was too inebriated. He's just a much, much better driver. When he didn't get custody, he stopped paying child support. So, let me get this straight. According to ExperianScaresCthulhu, this man who refuses to kick in $75 per month ought to be the father. In case you're wondering, that money does not go to anything of my aunt's or even the boy's older sister. It goes to his dental appointments, clothes and shoes. The man who impregnated my aunt is biologically my cousin's father. He does not want to spend money on my cousin. He doesn't even want my cousin. He wants to hurt my aunt and make my cousin like him-a drunk drug addict.
 
2012-04-14 05:04:11 PM

Mavent: hubiestubert: The Hells with it. Drug tests for everyone.

Even those who are rich and have penises? That's socialism, you commie!

...It's amazing to me to see how far you've come from your "supporting these idiots" days. Glad to see you joined us on the sane side of the street.


I have always been on the sane side of the street. I just happened to be in a party that drifted a LOT further Right than myself.
 
2012-04-14 05:44:57 PM

Selena Luna: My aunt's ex, a drunk who has been in jail twice for possession of drug paraphernalia, has tried to get custody of my young cousin every time my little cousin said that she had had alcohol. This includes times when she had one glass of wine at Thanksgiving dinner and then, two hours later, rode in the passenger's seat while my uncle-the husband she married when her son was a couple years old, who isn't the father of her son, drove. He didn't drive because she was too inebriated. He's just a much, much better driver. When he didn't get custody, he stopped paying child support. So, let me get this straight. According to ExperianScaresCthulhu, this man who refuses to kick in $75 per month ought to be the father. In case you're wondering, that money does not go to anything of my aunt's or even the boy's older sister. It goes to his dental appointments, clothes and shoes. The man who impregnated my aunt is biologically my cousin's father. He does not want to spend money on my cousin. He doesn't even want my cousin. He wants to hurt my aunt and make my cousin like him-a drunk drug addict.


Yes, because all men are like you Aunt's ex-husband and all women are like your Aunt.

Do you not understand that systemic unequal treatment is offensive to the person on the receiving end of it? Do you not understand that this outdated thinking harms the child because it encourages a certain result regardless of what is in the best interests of the child??

To the people complaining about their lying/cheating/scumbag exes:

People get what they want and what they deserve. To say anything else denies humans their free will. I deal with people who are treated "unfairly" by the "system". Let me tell you, most of the time it is their fault. They just didn't do what they were required to do and then they blame someone else.

Similarly, you deserve the kind of person you end up marrying. Marrying scumbags is the result of poor impulse control, bad decision making or a faulty support system. With a few exceptions (the truly sinister and manipulative people), most scumbags are very open about how horrible they are. It is hard to notice because you are blinded by lust or you think they will "change" but I am willing to bet a substantial sum of money, that in most cases, there were blaring warning signs.

This is where the faulty support system comes into play. The person either cannot or will not surround themselves with people who care enough about them to point out these blaring warning signs. Then they alienate the people who are actively attempting to stop them from making a big mistake. Some people just don't like being challenged. He or She may say something like "Oh, my friend is just jealous of the awesome girl/guy I snagged" or "What does He/She know anyway, its not like her love life is any better", etc. However, in the end the person who married the scumbag/liar/cheater bears the primary responsibility for their actions. Whether it was because they ignored warning signs, ignored their friends or didn't take the time to accurately assess the potential mate as a human being instead of a sex machine, it was their fault.

Keep in mind I am not excusing anyone's behavior. Lying/cheating/scumbags deserve to face the consequences of their actions. However, it is very evil to say that a person has so little autonomy over their own life that they can be manipulated into doing something so easily.

The calculus changes when you are dating an extremely manipulative person because by the time they have met you, they have worked years to refine their craft. These people are much rarer than you may think because, to be honest, they probably have to have above average intelligence. However, your run of the mill lying, cheating, scumbag is the overwhelming majority. The person that ended up with that guy/girl ended up with them because that is what they wanted; they really have no right to complain when it blows up in their face.
 
2012-04-14 06:46:36 PM
In fact, he was that kind of a manipulative person. You are assuming things about what I said that I did not say. I was responding only to the idea that the poster mentioned in my post posited: the idea that anyone who receives child support should relinquish the child to the other parent. He was the one who said that such things should be applied to all cases, not me. I simply said that my aunt's drunk, bi-polar ex was paying child support and that that was not an indication that he should, in fact, be a parent.

Please reread my whole comment.
 
2012-04-14 06:58:07 PM

zeroman987:

Similarly, you deserve the kind of person you end up marrying.


Yes, because I knew when we got married that he would roll a Simi truck, get a serous double concussion, and turn into a raging douchebag with personality disorder due to the medication they put him on.

Indeed, all my fault I guess... I should turn my three children over to him right now, because Im just a horrid human being for having the audacity to make less money than him. Thank you so much for clearing up all my life's problems for me!

///Not every situation is the same, and I know plenty of fathers that have custody of their children instead of the mothers... the whole "OHHH WOW IS MAN!!!!" argument doesn't hold up very well under those circumstances.
///Person I deserved my ass...
 
2012-04-14 07:17:53 PM

Need Help Soonish: zeroman987:

Similarly, you deserve the kind of person you end up marrying.

Yes, because I knew when we got married that he would roll a Simi truck, get a serous double concussion, and turn into a raging douchebag with personality disorder due to the medication they put him on.

Indeed, all my fault I guess... I should turn my three children over to him right now, because Im just a horrid human being for having the audacity to make less money than him. Thank you so much for clearing up all my life's problems for me!

///Not every situation is the same, and I know plenty of fathers that have custody of their children instead of the mothers... the whole "OHHH WOW IS MAN!!!!" argument doesn't hold up very well under those circumstances.
///Person I deserved my ass...


Exactly what I was saying, thank you. Zeroman, you are the one treating any situation where one spouse is abused either mentally or physically as something that ought to be treated the same, not us. As I said, my aunt's ex boyfriend did not become scary until well into the relationship, when he suddenly changed from fairly normal to very frightening overnight. Literally, it was overnight. Then, he began threatening to kill her. This was just after she became pregnant. If there were signs before, we didn't notice.

Sometimes, people who impregnate others and then leave them, who still are required to pay child support, would make terrible parents.

Sometimes they would make perfectly fine parents, but are otherwise unstable, such as those who have jobs and pay support, but live with their parents or are attending school.

I was not attempting to generalize about men or women, but my aunt, who is a good parent, if a bit stupid, and her ex, who is intelligent, manipulative, a drunk, a drug addict, and a sociopath-no, really, I've read the medical report-who played my aunt. He's the one who hates the system.

i know a woman who is just like him, who also pays child support to her ex husband. She does many of the same things. I don't know her well, so I used my aunt. Maybe I should have used the example I knew less well, but I get the feeling my throat would have still been jumped down.
 
2012-04-14 07:44:07 PM

zeroman987: Given that, according to a woman's health magazine, in 1991 10% of women admitted to cheating on their spouse and in 2006, 15% admitted it, your numbers are a bit off. Then again, when you make up statistics to prove your point, it is important to exaggerate as much as possible.


Ten percent of women who replied to "a woman's health magazine" survey in one year admitted to cheating. Not getting pregnant, not lying to their spouse about cheating, not lying to their spouse about whose baby it was.... Yeah, your stats are sound.

zeroman987: Just ignore the fact that for years men who did not work were called "bums" and "losers" no matter what contribution they made at home whereas women were called "homemakers" and were "giving up a career" even if they sat on the couch all day. In many places, until it was declared unconstitutional, men could not receive alimony. In many places, courts will place children in the custody of women simply because she is a woman saying that it is in the "best interests of the child" even though the woman does not have the means to support the child.


Oh, how things "used to be"? Gosh. Let's complain about how things "used to be" for a while! Women "used to be" property. Women "used to" not be allowed to vote. Women "used to be" unable to file rape charges against their husbands because of the unity of marriage. Yeah, us men have had it sooooo rough.
 
2012-04-14 09:18:19 PM
Sen. Chelgren should be required to drink a cup of urine for coming up with this amendment.
 
2012-04-14 10:06:37 PM
Why stop with parents receiving child support?

Why don't we require all employees of both government and private endeavors to be drug tested every six months as a condition for receiving their pay checks?

And we could keep wee, biodegradable copies of the constitution next to the toilet in case of a poo.
 
2012-04-14 10:19:52 PM

edmo: They should test the father and if he's doing drugs, the state gets the money instead.

/Gotta fund the war on drugs somehow


Hey, my idea! If mom thinks dad is failing to PAY child support because he's a crackhead junkie--test his ass!

What's good for the goose...
 
2012-04-15 02:08:07 AM
One business in my area had a big enough problem with employees using drugs that when it was announced that random drug testing was going to start, dozens quit. And since a sign saying that drug testing is part of the hiring process went up at the personell desk, the number of applicants have dropped sharply. There's even been a big enough problem with employees drinking on the job that they're random testing for alcohol as well.
 
2012-04-15 05:15:00 AM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: One business in my area had a big enough problem with employees using drugs that when it was announced that random drug testing was going to start, dozens quit. And since a sign saying that drug testing is part of the hiring process went up at the personell desk, the number of applicants have dropped sharply. There's even been a big enough problem with employees drinking on the job that they're random testing for alcohol as well.


Unless the business was failing, I'd conclude the problem is the testing for drugs, not the use of drugs and alcohol. I've never understood drug testing of any kind in the workplace. Appraise workers on their merit, not their habits.
 
2012-04-15 09:36:49 AM

Frederick: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: One business in my area had a big enough problem with employees using drugs that when it was announced that random drug testing was going to start, dozens quit. And since a sign saying that drug testing is part of the hiring process went up at the personell desk, the number of applicants have dropped sharply. There's even been a big enough problem with employees drinking on the job that they're random testing for alcohol as well.

Unless the business was failing, I'd conclude the problem is the testing for drugs, not the use of drugs and alcohol. I've never understood drug testing of any kind in the workplace. Appraise workers on their merit, not their habits.


Yeah. Quantifying the degree of the problem by "x number of people refuse to take a drug test for employment" doesn't actually demonstrate a drug problem. If your management/supervisors are so distant from day-to-day work that they can't tell who's coming in blitzed/hung over you have bigger problems than a machine operator smoking a little dope on Friday night.
 
2012-04-15 10:06:25 AM
The point of child support is for the child to have the same standard of living as he/she would if the parents lived and raised the child together. It is not money to give to the kid. It is money to help provide food, clothing, shelter, etc.

Not only is the bill wrong morally (I believe) I do not see a practical way to enforce this. Case managers are already spread pretty thin. Not everyone with a child support order has applied with their state for establishment and enforcement. Would we force people with orders to apply with the state? States are cutting funding to programs to enforce child support orders and workers are getting bigger caseloads. This is without stupid crap like this.

Who would schedule these tests? Who would administer them? Who would refer the case to court if someone failed the test? Would judges be ordered to terminate the child support order if the custodial party fails? Then the custody order would have to be modified. Would the former non-custodial but now custodial parent be drugged tested before custody was awarded to them? Court proceeding take months sometimes years in regards to custody and child support issues.

It's not only an insulting bill to demonize single parents it quite impractical. They would need to hire more child support workers, order people to apply with the state and change how the judges write and address orders. There would be a backlog in the courts with people filing petitions with accusations of drug use to get back at the other party.

It's insulting and impractical for many reasons.
 
2012-04-15 12:10:48 PM

hubiestubert: I have always been on the sane side of the street. I just happened to be in a party that drifted a LOT further Right than myself.


I don't know that it "drifted" so much as "jumped massively". I was a Republican up until 2004, which is when everything seemed to go to hell for them. I personally think Karl Rove and Dick Cheney were to blame. I'll always think of George W. Bush as a fundamentally decent guy with an IQ of about 95, who was manipulated and used by some truly evil and self-serving advisers. Unfortunately, pride never allowed the GOP to move back towards sanity.
 
2012-04-17 07:03:15 AM

jackieeeee: The point of child support is for the child to have the same standard of living as he/she would if the parents lived and raised the child together. It is not money to give to the kid. It is money to help provide food, clothing, shelter, etc.

Not only is the bill wrong morally (I believe) I do not see a practical way to enforce this. Case managers are already spread pretty thin. Not everyone with a child support order has applied with their state for establishment and enforcement. Would we force people with orders to apply with the state? States are cutting funding to programs to enforce child support orders and workers are getting bigger caseloads. This is without stupid crap like this.

Who would schedule these tests? Who would administer them? Who would refer the case to court if someone failed the test? Would judges be ordered to terminate the child support order if the custodial party fails? Then the custody order would have to be modified. Would the former non-custodial but now custodial parent be drugged tested before custody was awarded to them? Court proceeding take months sometimes years in regards to custody and child support issues.

It's not only an insulting bill to demonize single parents it quite impractical. They would need to hire more child support workers, order people to apply with the state and change how the judges write and address orders. There would be a backlog in the courts with people filing petitions with accusations of drug use to get back at the other party.

It's insulting and impractical for many reasons.


No no, no need to do any hiring. Just have the woman pay for everything.
 
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