If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Talking Points Memo)   Mitt Romney has strayed from his programming, is once again arguing against birth control   (2012.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 151
    More: Followup, Mitt Romney, Catholic Charities, Massachusetts law, birth control, rape victim, emergency contraception, John McCain  
•       •       •

4142 clicks; posted to Politics » on 14 Apr 2012 at 9:53 AM (2 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



151 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | » | Last | Show all
 
2012-04-14 01:17:46 AM  
He's like a jelly of the month membership.
 
2012-04-14 02:33:00 AM  
A 2002 Massachusetts law imposed the same requirement on religiously affiliated hospitals in the state, and as governor, Romney neither abolished it nor objected to it on grounds of religious liberty.

Like shootin' fish in a barrel.
 
2012-04-14 02:34:13 AM  
reelmovienation.com
Dead or alive you are coming with me.
 
2012-04-14 02:37:47 AM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: A 2002 Massachusetts law imposed the same requirement on religiously affiliated hospitals in the state, and as governor, Romney neither abolished it nor objected to it on grounds of religious liberty.

Like shootin' fish in a barrel.


The only positive to a Rmoney presidency is that he'll twist and bend with popular outcry, and would be able to resist the money of groups like ALEC. He could twist progressive- simply because he does not care about the positions. He does not care about where he stands politically (left or right). He only wants to be the President ... and one up his dad.
 
2012-04-14 03:02:16 AM  

Nadie_AZ: The only positive to a Rmoney presidency is that he'll twist and bend with popular outcry, and would be able to resist the money of groups like ALEC. He could twist progressive- simply because he does not care about the positions. He does not care about where he stands politically (left or right). He only wants to be the President ... and one up his dad.



lh4.googleusercontent.com

Whoever will win the election is known in the months before the election, internally, by the ***. They are then briefed on the establishment's plan and told what to do, in exchange for gobs and gobs of money, and their life and the lives of their loved ones.

The 'president' will be briefed by the correct establishment mole before every shiat he takes.

Rmoney is exactly the person i envision would throw aside everything and start ordering gitmo detainees to play basketball blindfolded and naked on cctv, much less indefinite detention, etc, yadda. Oh, Obama signed it but promised not to use it. no sh*t, it's for the next guy.
 
2012-04-14 03:31:15 AM  

urban.derelict: They are then briefed on the establishment's plan and told what to do


urban.derelict: Rmoney is exactly the person i envision would throw aside everything and start ordering


This makes complete sense.
 
2012-04-14 07:57:17 AM  

Nadie_AZ: He only wants to be the President ... and one up his dad.


And we know how well that works out.
 
2012-04-14 08:49:29 AM  
Romney is really shaking that Etch-A-Sketch hard.
 
2012-04-14 08:53:39 AM  
Of course, he's trying to harvest the constituents from Santorum's corpse like assets of a company he just destroyed.
 
2012-04-14 09:09:32 AM  

Relatively Obscure: urban.derelict: They are then briefed on the establishment's plan and told what to do

urban.derelict: Rmoney is exactly the person i envision would throw aside everything and start ordering

This makes complete sense.


WHERE ON TO YOU. WE KNOW YOU'RE IN IT WITH THE QUEERS AND THE ALIENS!
 
2012-04-14 09:30:54 AM  
When will the Dems stop making him do things that look bad to women?
 
2012-04-14 09:39:39 AM  
In a speech to the National Rifle Association Friday, likely GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney waded back into the contraception wars, attacking President Obama's health care provision requiring employers, including religiously affiliated groups, to provide contraceptive coverage to female employees - a requirement Romney vowed to repeal. But in doing so, he elided two key facts about his tenure as governor of Massachusetts: that he enforced a very nearly identical mandate at the state level enacted by his predecessor; and advanced a separate one requiring religiously affiliated hospitals to provide emergency contraception to rape victims.

Damnit Mitt, I haven't seen this many flip flops since my last trip to the beach.
 
2012-04-14 09:42:38 AM  

Mugato: Of course, he's trying to harvest the constituents from Santorum's corpse like assets of a company he just destroyed.


Why would he do this now? Doesn't he essentially have the nomination wrapped up? I would think this is the time to start to move to the center to attract swing voters in the general election.
 
2012-04-14 09:45:40 AM  

coco ebert: Mugato: Of course, he's trying to harvest the constituents from Santorum's corpse like assets of a company he just destroyed.

Why would he do this now? Doesn't he essentially have the nomination wrapped up? I would think this is the time to start to move to the center to attract swing voters in the general election.


In front of the NRA? They'd eat him alive.

/Then of course they would dry-age his haunches in the meat locker they all have for all the game they shoot while hunting.
//HAHAHAHA
 
2012-04-14 09:49:05 AM  

actualhuman: coco ebert: Mugato: Of course, he's trying to harvest the constituents from Santorum's corpse like assets of a company he just destroyed.

Why would he do this now? Doesn't he essentially have the nomination wrapped up? I would think this is the time to start to move to the center to attract swing voters in the general election.

In front of the NRA? They'd eat him alive.

/Then of course they would dry-age his haunches in the meat locker they all have for all the game they shoot while hunting.
//HAHAHAHA


Ah, the perils of not RTFA.
 
2012-04-14 09:53:15 AM  
A 2002 Massachusetts law imposed the same requirement on religiously affiliated hospitals in the state, and as governor, Romney neither abolished it nor objected to it on grounds of religious liberty.

Heh - this is going to be a fun campaign season.
 
2012-04-14 09:59:15 AM  

coco ebert: Mugato: Of course, he's trying to harvest the constituents from Santorum's corpse like assets of a company he just destroyed.

Why would he do this now? Doesn't he essentially have the nomination wrapped up? I would think this is the time to start to move to the center to attract swing voters in the general election.


The GOP cannot stop shooting their foot with this issue. They just can't. It's like celebrities with facial plastic surgery. "I think I'll have my nose and cheeks done a fifteenth time, because my face looks way too plastic now. I've heard of this new doctor that can make my face look normal again!"
 
2012-04-14 09:59:29 AM  

actualhuman: coco ebert: Mugato: Of course, he's trying to harvest the constituents from Santorum's corpse like assets of a company he just destroyed.

Why would he do this now? Doesn't he essentially have the nomination wrapped up? I would think this is the time to start to move to the center to attract swing voters in the general election.

In front of the NRA? They'd eat him alive.

/Then of course they would dry-age his crumbly assbone in the meat locker they all have for all the game they shoot while hunting.
//HAHAHAHA


Just amusing myself here
 
2012-04-14 10:01:06 AM  

Mentat: Damnit Mitt, I haven't seen this many flip flops since my last trip to the beach.


Now is it a flip-flop if you don't remember what you were ever talking about?
 
2012-04-14 10:03:01 AM  

Doctor Funkenstein: A 2002 Massachusetts law imposed the same requirement on religiously affiliated hospitals in the state, and as governor, Romney neither abolished it nor objected to it on grounds of religious liberty.

Heh - this is going to be a fun campaign season.


Agreed. If by "fun" you mean like eating a Domino's artisan pizza while masturbating to The View.
 
2012-04-14 10:03:25 AM  
You know, Mitt might actually be a decent candidate if he had the guts to stick to his moderate tendencies.
Now he just looks like an ass.
 
2012-04-14 10:04:21 AM  
Gee, I thought the NRA just cared about the second amendment. Why do they seem to care so much about contraception?
 
2012-04-14 10:08:18 AM  

Salt Lick Steady: Doctor Funkenstein: A 2002 Massachusetts law imposed the same requirement on religiously affiliated hospitals in the state, and as governor, Romney neither abolished it nor objected to it on grounds of religious liberty.

Heh - this is going to be a fun campaign season.

Agreed. If by "fun" you mean like eating a Domino's artisan pizza while masturbating to The View.


Get out of my head, man!
 
2012-04-14 10:08:26 AM  

Lando Lincoln: The GOP cannot stop shooting their foot with this issue. They just can't. It's like celebrities with facial plastic surgery. "I think I'll have my nose and cheeks done a fifteenth time, because my face looks way too plastic now. I've heard of this new doctor that can make my face look normal again!"


Indeed. Some Weekly Standard child was on Real Time last night and insisted that the "War on Women" was (1) the President's doing, (2) a myth, and (3) going to benefit the Republicans. Remember, if you truly, truly believe something, then it must be true!
 
2012-04-14 10:08:55 AM  

coco ebert: Mugato: Of course, he's trying to harvest the constituents from Santorum's corpse like assets of a company he just destroyed.

Why would he do this now? Doesn't he essentially have the nomination wrapped up? I would think this is the time to start to move to the center to attract swing voters in the general election.


Mitt does actually need the conservative base in order to win. If he can't unite conservatives, even in a "I guess he better than a secular Muslim" way, then he loses.

The conservative playbook is to let the base know that he's on their side and then in the general he can play to the center and just use dog whistles so moderates don't get frightened off and the radicals can read between the lines to hear what they want. Since Mitt isn't at the point where he can say "I'm in favor of religious freedom *wink**wink*" and have the base know he means keep gays and minorities in their place he has to say it openly until he wins their trust.
 
2012-04-14 10:14:10 AM  

Sid_6.7: Gee, I thought the NRA just cared about the second amendment. Why do they seem to care so much about contraception?


It seems that the NRA is comprised mostly of ultraconservative rabble, and that liberals and many moderates in the NRA are most likely wasting any money they give.

/shocking, I know
 
2012-04-14 10:15:38 AM  
And the fundies are now the first group he's lied to for this election.
 
2012-04-14 10:15:40 AM  
Keep farking that chicken, Republicans.
 
2012-04-14 10:17:56 AM  
I look forward to the day where we remember Mitt Romney like we remember Michael Dukakis.

"Who?" Exactly.

www.brendan-nyhan.com
 
2012-04-14 10:19:11 AM  
On a scale of humanity, I rate Mormon-Bot 3000 below Data, but a notch above Vicki from "Small Wonder". Way behind Mega Man, though.
 
2012-04-14 10:19:11 AM  
Part of me really wants Romney to pick Santorum for his "number two" (heh heh) position so the lolz keep rolling in until election day proper.

But...no. There's always a whisker of a chance Obama would get caught up in a "live boy/dead hooker" type scandal, and nobody in their right mind would want even the miniscule risk of that theocratic nutball being a heartbeat away from having the launch codes.

/Too bad there are A LOT of Americans not in their right mind...
 
2012-04-14 10:19:19 AM  

And here we go again... shall we count the outright lies in this thread.

1.) Romney is not "arguing against birth control" - he is arguing against a federal law requiring religious institutions to pay for birth control. Which is a position that 57% of the American people agree with (and that's according to a CBS News poll, by the way).

2.) The 2002 Massachusetts law requiring religious institutions to pay for birth control was enacted prior to Romney's tenure in office. Romney couldn't single-handedly change that rule if he'd wanted to - the governor did not have the power to do that. He would have had to get the Legislature on board, which was not going to happen. And again, let's take a look at the facts:

The Massachusetts mandate dates to 2002, when Republican Governor Jane Swift signed a bill requiring health insurers to cover contraception, in the same way they cover other prescription drugs. (Unlike the new federal law, it did not require insurers to provide contraception for free.)

The law passed over the objections of the Massachusetts Catholic Conference and the Catholic Action League. Similar to the current federal law, there was an exemption for churches and church-controlled organizations, such as church-run elementary schools. The exemption does not apply to religiously-affiliated hospitals or universities that are separate from the church.


(Emphasis mine). So the Massachusetts law was not the same as the federal regulation. And there's more:

When Romney was shaping his 2006 health care overhaul, he wanted to allow insurance plans that offered coverage only for hospitalization and catastrophic illness, without other mandated benefits. But the Legislature rejected his proposal. He wrote in his 2009 book "No Apology" that he believed features added by the Legislature, including mandates for in vitro fertilization and dental care, would be expensive.


So Romney opposed all mandates except for hospitalization and catastrophic illness - including the contraception mandate. But the Legislature opposed that.

While the Massachusetts and federal laws are similar, there are some differences.

One major difference is that states have no power to mandate benefits for companies that are self-insured. So self-insured hospitals and universities in Massachusetts can get around the contraception mandate today, but will not be able to avoid the federal mandate, Turnbull said.


So in fact, the Massachusetts law is substantially different than what Obama is proposing - Obama's plan would force all religious institutions to provide free contraceptive care.

And, if you look at the bottom of the linked article, lo and behold, John Kerry also supports a more limited mandate on religious employers. So I suppose that means that Senator Kerry is "arguing against birth control" too...

/ do a little research
// see through the cloud of bullshiat
 
2012-04-14 10:19:43 AM  

Salt Lick Steady: Doctor Funkenstein: A 2002 Massachusetts law imposed the same requirement on religiously affiliated hospitals in the state, and as governor, Romney neither abolished it nor objected to it on grounds of religious liberty.

Heh - this is going to be a fun campaign season.

Agreed. If by "fun" you mean like eating a Domino's artisan pizza while masturbating to The View.


Hey now, some of us like masturbating.
 
2012-04-14 10:20:09 AM  
Providing an employer sponsored health care policy that includes coverage for contraception does not violate anyone's religious principles. The decision to use contraception is the individual's and not the employer's. This religious freedom thing is bullshiat.

At the same time, I think the GOP would get more mileage out of the argument that the mandate requiring 100% (no co-pay) coverage is an overreach. I'm the libbiest lib that ever libbed and I have a hard time supporting the 100% coverage mandate.
 
2012-04-14 10:22:02 AM  

Mentat: In a speech to the National Rifle Association Friday, likely GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney waded back into the contraception wars, attacking President Obama's health care provision requiring employers, including religiously affiliated groups, to provide contraceptive coverage to female employees - a requirement Romney vowed to repeal. But in doing so, he elided two key facts about his tenure as governor of Massachusetts: that he enforced a very nearly identical mandate at the state level enacted by his predecessor; and advanced a separate one requiring religiously affiliated hospitals to provide emergency contraception to rape victims.

Damnit Mitt, I haven't seen this many flip flops since my last trip to the beach.


I love that they still are going on about how Obama is forcing religious institutions to pay for birth control when the Obama administration already gave an exemption that said you can't charge employers for their employees birth control access and this exemption earned the endorsement of the religious-affiliated groups directly affected by the exemption, such as the Catholic Health Association of the United States. This deal was hammered out two months ago and the hospitals and universities affected by it are satisfied by the rule change.

The only significant holdout group is the Conference of Catholic Bishops, who seemed to have completely abandoned the principle of double effect and are willing to make a stand and fight to make sure their employees do not have easy access to procedures they don't agree with.
 
2012-04-14 10:24:38 AM  
I honestly thought he'd drop this nonsense after Santorum left the race. It was their best chance to let the issue die down a little over the coming months, especially since Frothy made himself the go-to man for this kind of rhetoric.

Ye gods, but Romney never fails to waste an opportunity.
 
2012-04-14 10:24:46 AM  

theknuckler_33: Providing an employer sponsored health care policy that includes coverage for contraception does not violate anyone's religious principles. The decision to use contraception is the individual's and not the employer's. This religious freedom thing is bullshiat.

At the same time, I think the GOP would get more mileage out of the argument that the mandate requiring 100% (no co-pay) coverage is an overreach. I'm the libbiest lib that ever libbed and I have a hard time supporting the 100% coverage mandate.


Republicans support religious freedom only for the employer. If you're an employee, too bad. You're bound to your boss's religious views.

You want religious freedom yourself? Be bootstrappy enough to start your own business and be a JOB CREATOR!
 
2012-04-14 10:25:04 AM  

actualhuman: Relatively Obscure: urban.derelict: They are then briefed on the establishment's plan and told what to do

urban.derelict: Rmoney is exactly the person i envision would throw aside everything and start ordering

This makes complete sense.

WHERE ON TO YOU. WE KNOW YOU'RE IN IT WITH THE QUEERS AND THE ALIENS!


You think that's bad? Wait until you find out what the Queer Aliens are planning (besides more anal probes)!
 
2012-04-14 10:25:10 AM  

Lando Lincoln: coco ebert: Mugato: Of course, he's trying to harvest the constituents from Santorum's corpse like assets of a company he just destroyed.

Why would he do this now? Doesn't he essentially have the nomination wrapped up? I would think this is the time to start to move to the center to attract swing voters in the general election.

The GOP cannot stop shooting their foot with this issue. They just can't. It's like celebrities with facial plastic surgery. "I think I'll have my nose and cheeks done a fifteenth time, because my face looks way too plastic now. I've heard of this new doctor that can make my face look normal again!"


fame-ish.com

"One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country.... Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that's okay, contraception is okay. It's not okay. It's a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be."

"Corporations are people, my friend."
 
2012-04-14 10:25:20 AM  

Guidette Frankentits: Hey now, some of us like masturbating.


Then do it right. Masturbate to Pickle Surprise like a healthy person.
 
2012-04-14 10:26:16 AM  

coco ebert: Mugato: Of course, he's trying to harvest the constituents from Santorum's corpse like assets of a company he just destroyed.

Why would he do this now? Doesn't he essentially have the nomination wrapped up? I would think this is the time to start to move to the center to attract swing voters in the general election.


You're talking about the party who thinks the only reason they lost in 2008 was because their candidate wasn't far enough to the right.
 
2012-04-14 10:27:36 AM  
This is why you always store older compiled versions in a separate subdirectory.
 
2012-04-14 10:30:41 AM  

Sid_6.7: Gee, I thought the NRA just cared about the second amendment. Why do they seem to care so much about contraception?


No contraception = more targets later on
 
2012-04-14 10:30:57 AM  

Grungehamster: Mentat: In a speech to the National Rifle Association Friday, likely GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney waded back into the contraception wars, attacking President Obama's health care provision requiring employers, including religiously affiliated groups, to provide contraceptive coverage to female employees - a requirement Romney vowed to repeal. But in doing so, he elided two key facts about his tenure as governor of Massachusetts: that he enforced a very nearly identical mandate at the state level enacted by his predecessor; and advanced a separate one requiring religiously affiliated hospitals to provide emergency contraception to rape victims.

Damnit Mitt, I haven't seen this many flip flops since my last trip to the beach.

I love that they still are going on about how Obama is forcing religious institutions to pay for birth control when the Obama administration already gave an exemption that said you can't charge employers for their employees birth control access and this exemption earned the endorsement of the religious-affiliated groups directly affected by the exemption, such as the Catholic Health Association of the United States. This deal was hammered out two months ago and the hospitals and universities affected by it are satisfied by the rule change.

The only significant holdout group is the Conference of Catholic Bishops, who seemed to have completely abandoned the principle of double effect and are willing to make a stand and fight to make sure their employees do not have easy access to procedures they don't agree with.


Remember: all's fair in love, war, and throwing the Goddamn ni-BONG out of the White House.
 
2012-04-14 10:32:12 AM  

WombatControl: 1.) Romney is not "arguing against birth control" - he is arguing against a federal law requiring religious institutions to pay for birth control. Which is a position that 57% of the American people agree with (and that's according to a CBS News poll, by the way).


I'm going to start a religion where it is a sin to pay people minimum wage and it's a sin to hire anybody over the age of 12. Then I'll start a business and sue the government for violating my religious principles.

In other words, it's the religious institution that sucks balls, not the law. Don't pretend that the religious institution should be protected on their dumb behaviors.
 
2012-04-14 10:33:21 AM  

Mrtraveler01: coco ebert: Mugato: Of course, he's trying to harvest the constituents from Santorum's corpse like assets of a company he just destroyed.

Why would he do this now? Doesn't he essentially have the nomination wrapped up? I would think this is the time to start to move to the center to attract swing voters in the general election.

You're talking about the party who thinks the only reason they lost in 2008 was because their candidate wasn't far enough to the right.


I do love the contrast between 2008 and 2012. Back then, McCain had at least enough dignity to tell the crazy people that Obama is an American and a decent guy and not a Muslim.
 
2012-04-14 10:33:58 AM  
You would think that at some point these guys would they had gained all the votes they could by railing against sluts, that further preaching could only cost them support, and would therefore decide to shut up about the issue.
 
2012-04-14 10:35:21 AM  

gimmegimme: I do love the contrast between 2008 and 2012. Back then, McCain had at least enough dignity to tell the crazy people that Obama is an American and a decent guy and not a Muslim.


Yeah, Mittens has no such decency. Just wait until the race and religion baiting begins!
 
2012-04-14 10:38:12 AM  

WombatControl: 1.) Romney is not "arguing against birth control" - he is arguing against a federal law requiring religious institutions to pay for birth control. Which is a position that 57% of the American people agree with (and that's according to a CBS News poll, by the way).


True, and with the Obama compromise, that burden was then pushed to the insurers. Which people were more than happy to live with (54% of Americans anyway).

Link (new window)
 
2012-04-14 10:45:04 AM  

Mrtraveler01: WombatControl: 1.) Romney is not "arguing against birth control" - he is arguing against a federal law requiring religious institutions to pay for birth control. Which is a position that 57% of the American people agree with (and that's according to a CBS News poll, by the way).

True, and with the Obama compromise, that burden was then pushed to the insurers. Which people were more than happy to live with (54% of Americans anyway).

Link (new window)


I'd be willing to bet that if an actual election came down to birth control as the defining issue that whichever candidate supported birth control would get much higher than 54% of the vote.
 
Displayed 50 of 151 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report