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2012-04-13 11:51:28 PM  
Maybe most British shows have short runs for a reason.

This can't be a surprise, though. The show is getting old. And sitcoms don't seem to have the ability of, say, a Law and Order, to change cast members and keep on going.
 
2012-04-14 12:21:57 AM  
I loved the show, but it really shouldn't have come back this season.

I can not stand Andy. Nothing he does I find the least bit entertaining. At least in the earlier seasons he came only in small doses.
I'm over Pam and Jim. It was great TV watching them get together, but now it's just stale. I've also found Pam's acting to have fallen off noticeably.
 
2012-04-14 12:46:35 AM  
They have no clue how to use Catherine Tate, so I don't know why they brought her on.
 
2012-04-14 01:50:52 AM  
Kill it, or remake "Ten Speed and Brownshoe" with Creed and Kate.

Bunnyhat: I can not stand Andy. Nothing he does I find the least bit entertaining. At least in the earlier seasons he came only in small doses.


And this, so much. Ed Helms at all, actually.
 
2012-04-14 02:47:50 AM  
That's because it's not funny. It's never been funny. It's been an arduous, cringe-inducing flop since day 1.
 
2012-04-14 02:49:39 AM  

rubi_con_man: That's because it's not funny. It's never been funny. It's been an arduous, cringe-inducing flop since day 1.


The reason last night's episode had their lowest ratings ever is because the show has never been funny?
 
2012-04-14 02:53:16 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Maybe most British shows have short runs for a reason.


I dunno - I think having three shows a tear of four 'seasons' is pretty crap. And as much as the actors complain about Dr Who's Grinding schedule, I still think that ten episodes a year tends to be too few.

Of course we're now asking that shows have incredibly high production values, as opposed to programs like M*A*S*H that had 24 shows per season. Today, American shows have as few as 13 or 10, and are ordered in half-seasons, with the expectation of mid-season replacement and regular schedule reshuffles. M*A*S*H itself did poorly when the episodes were initially broadcast, and only a full cycle of being 'in repeats' gave it the second chance to be seen and finally appreciated. And that show ran for 11 years and when it went off, it had an incredibly highly rated finale show.
 
2012-04-14 02:57:35 AM  
The NBC Thursday lineup should move to another night. Between Idol and CBS they're getting slaughtered.

Also, who signed an agreement with the devil to make Big Bang Theory a success?
 
2012-04-14 03:01:24 AM  

you are a puppet: rubi_con_man: That's because it's not funny. It's never been funny. It's been an arduous, cringe-inducing flop since day 1.

The reason last night's episode had their lowest ratings ever is because the show has never been funny?


Yes. It's never been funny. And that's the reason that it flopped last night.
 
2012-04-14 03:05:53 AM  

rubi_con_man: That's because it's not funny. It's never been funny. It's been an arduous, cringe-inducing flop since day 1.


172 episodes over 8 seasons is a flop?

/Not defending the show
 
2012-04-14 03:12:22 AM  

rubi_con_man: FirstNationalBastard: Maybe most British shows have short runs for a reason.

I dunno - I think having three shows a tear of four 'seasons' is pretty crap. And as much as the actors complain about Dr Who's Grinding schedule, I still think that ten episodes a year tends to be too few.

Of course we're now asking that shows have incredibly high production values, as opposed to programs like M*A*S*H that had 24 shows per season. Today, American shows have as few as 13 or 10, and are ordered in half-seasons, with the expectation of mid-season replacement and regular schedule reshuffles. M*A*S*H itself did poorly when the episodes were initially broadcast, and only a full cycle of being 'in repeats' gave it the second chance to be seen and finally appreciated. And that show ran for 11 years and when it went off, it had an incredibly highly rated finale show.


The cable shows, which are generally the best shows on American TV, are the ones with 10-16 episodes per season. They're closer to the British model of television. And, I'd say that the shorter seasons, greater time between seasons, and ability of the creators to have a greater control over the product is what makes the cable shows better than their 24-episodes-per-season network counterparts.

However, you're right that not even 3 camera sitcoms can get away with flimsy sets and cutting corners anymore.

TL;DR: Quality vs. quantity.
 
2012-04-14 03:20:20 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Maybe most British shows have short runs for a reason.

This can't be a surprise, though. The show is getting old. And sitcoms don't seem to have the ability of, say, a Law and Order, to change cast members and keep on going.


Well, the sweet spot even for good sitcoms is 6-8 seasons I'd say before a show is too long in the tooth.. and The Office is already in that range. And family sitcoms tend to stay fresh a little longer than others, simply because the evolution of families provides a longer timeline of story generation and fun. IMHO, TO outlived it's welcome by 2 seasons.
 
2012-04-14 03:27:50 AM  
1. Steve Carell is gone
The show was going south in Carell's last couple years and it was obvious.

2. Love triangle is gone
They tried to make andy and whatshername the new love triangle thing, but there's no conflict. They're goofy and they like each other, there's nothing reasonable slowing them down.

3. Characters aren't interesting, have run their course
The intern character has become a caricature or has schizophrenia or something. Creed is in the credits, as opposed to being the weird guy no one's sure really works there.

4. Newer characters are unlikeable.
The gabe character is just a less threatening dwight. The random guest stars don't really pull their weight.

I'm sure the show is still funny or whatever, but the same premise runs thin after a while. The office exhausted the reasonable plots in the first few years and now it's just wacky all the time.
 
2012-04-14 03:36:27 AM  
The premise of The Office is no longer believable. Nobody needs a f*cking paper salesman.

If they want to make a funny show for 8-12 episodes, redo The Office as a funny tech-support show.

Or, do a show called "Chinese Factory" which is basically like The Walking Dead in a factory setting... the people with the shotguns are the floor supervisors and the walkers are all employees that don't work hard enough or try to organize a union.

An idea I'm going with is a show called "My Wife Won't Suck My Dick Anymore"
 
2012-04-14 03:38:47 AM  

Here's a picture of the new cast they will use in the reboot:


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And that Catherine Tate actress has some big boobs.

 
2012-04-14 03:39:47 AM  
Who cares? How did Community do?
 
2012-04-14 03:40:45 AM  
The office will be a modern day Andy Grifith, loved by many and will have staying power in syndication but most everyone will turn it off when the see its a episode without Michal Scott(as I assume must do when they see its a Don Knots free episode of Andy)
 
2012-04-14 03:41:41 AM  
Also, Donna Noble is being wasted.
 
2012-04-14 03:45:45 AM  
I can only hope that this show is being kept on the air to help subsidize sending Karl Pilkington around the world once a year or so.
 
2012-04-14 03:58:51 AM  

skinink: Here's a picture of the new cast they will use in the reboot:
[img15.imageshack.us image 640x400]
And that Catherine Tate actress has some big boobs.


You know what would be awesome? Pay all of them whatever gigantic bags of money it takes to get the whole cast of the original Office to appear in an episode, and end the show with Catherine Tate's character sacking all of the Dundler Mifflin employees and bringing in David Brent, et al to replace them. The End.
 
2012-04-14 03:59:30 AM  

Mimekiller: The office will be a modern day Andy Grifith, loved by many and will have staying power in syndication but most everyone will turn it off when the see its a episode without Michal Scott(as I assume must do when they see its a Don Knots free episode of Andy)


My rule of thumb is to watch the B&W episodes and ignore the color ones.
 
2012-04-14 04:10:51 AM  

rynthetyn: skinink: Here's a picture of the new cast they will use in the reboot:
[img15.imageshack.us image 640x400]
And that Catherine Tate actress has some big boobs.

You know what would be awesome? Pay all of them whatever gigantic bags of money it takes to get the whole cast of the original Office to appear in an episode, and end the show with Catherine Tate's character sacking all of the Dundler Mifflin employees and bringing in David Brent, et al to replace them. The End.


I think freeman's the only one who'd be expensive. There was talk of a crossover earlier on, but it fell through. If I remember right, brent was in the episode where they interviewed new bosses
 
2012-04-14 04:16:56 AM  
I never understood why so many people want to hate the Office. It's a good show that has had a good run. Even the new Office still has its moments and is better than most of the crap they play on TV (network AND cable).
 
2012-04-14 04:18:30 AM  

alowishus: Mimekiller: The office will be a modern day Andy Grifith, loved by many and will have staying power in syndication but most everyone will turn it off when the see its a episode without Michal Scott(as I assume must do when they see its a Don Knots free episode of Andy)

My rule of thumb is to watch the B&W episodes and ignore the color ones.


Color = No Don Knotts.

Same rule, different wording.

usernameguy: Who cares? How did Community do?


Well, It beat a Vampire Diaries rerun on the CW. (new window)

Had about the same amount of overall viewers as an NCIS rerun on USA.
 
2012-04-14 04:48:19 AM  
... I'm sorry the Office sucks. Stop looking at the camera every time when something is supposed to be awkward or funny... I have tried to watch it and just don't find it funny. And for people defending how long it's been on the air. HAVE YOU SEEN THE shiat THAT IS ON TV LATELY!... Yes, all caps was needed because I farking hate what reality TV has done to programming lately. Quality is hard to come by when you can get viewers by telling a bunch of terrible actors to go get wasted on camera and call it reality TV. Therefore you get something like the office because "hey, at least its better than that shiat."
 
2012-04-14 04:53:23 AM  

rubi_con_man: That's because it's not funny. It's never been funny. It's been an arduous, cringe-inducing flop since day 1.


So you either:

1. Watched the series premiere episode and realized it was a flop and then continued to watch the next 170 or so episodes over the next eight years and hated every episode.

or

2. Are full of shiat because you don't watch the show and have no idea whether it's funny or not.

The Office has been better than 95% of programming on network tv since it came on. The highs have been higher than most other sitcoms, and the lows (of which there have been some) have not sunk to the lows of other shows during that time. Should it have ended after last season - or possibly even a season or so before that? Yeah, probably. But that doesn't make it a flop. It's been hugely popular, pretty consistently funny coontil recently), filmed nearly 200 episodes and will probably be in syndication for the rest of our lives. So yeah, I'm sure NBC and Ricky Gervais are regretting all those piles of cash brought on by a "flop."

Obviously The Office doesn't look like a show you want to watch. That's cool. I've never seen a Big Bang Theory commercial that made me want to watch it. But I wouldn't call it a flop just because I don't like it.
 
2012-04-14 05:01:10 AM  
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It was a good show but it's about that time.
 
2012-04-14 05:13:41 AM  
The end of the series should have been Michael Scott taking his microphone off.
 
2012-04-14 05:35:21 AM  

Rebuffering: ... I'm sorry the Office sucks.


Why do you care so much dude? No one is forcing you to watch anything, so why hate on one of the shows that even you think isn't as bad as the majority of television? It's never been your style of comedy, that's fantastic, but is it really that bad to you that you care enough to mock those that like it? Can't wait till a Family Guy thread pops up that you can troll.
 
2012-04-14 06:52:53 AM  

moothemagiccow: 1. Steve Carell is gone
The show was going south in Carell's last couple years and it was obvious.



I know this goes against most logical reasoning, but I thought the show got better after Michael left. Sure, the series still has problems, but I thought Michael Scott was the most visible problem. He was annoying and he cried a lot.

While this season hasn't been the greatest, it's been better than expected considering a major character left, even with Andy taking over the branch. Even if it's not at its greatest, it was still watchable... until the Florida story arc. I thought that arc was a really half-assed way to spin off Dwight, the one-sided affair between Jim and some other lady who was never really introduced was lame, and Catherine Tate's character has been awful and appears to be filling Michael Scott's absence.


2. Love triangle is gone
They tried to make andy and whatshername the new love triangle thing, but there's no conflict. They're goofy and they like each other, there's nothing reasonable slowing them down.


I've always thought this was too obviously scripted, especially after Jim and Pam got married. It certainly didn't help that Andy proposed at the end of one season and then the next season they're all of a sudden broken up and Erin is dating Gabe.


I didn't know until the other week that Greg Daniel's left for P&R after season 4. That explains so much about the quality of The Office since.
 
2012-04-14 07:27:34 AM  

Mimekiller: The office will be a modern day Andy Grifith


MATLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCK!
 
2012-04-14 08:04:13 AM  

usernameguy: Who cares? How did Community do?


I was wondering that the whole time I was reading that article.
 
2012-04-14 08:16:16 AM  
I thought it was pretty funny up until the third season.

Then I started to watch the UK version and realized the US version copied 90% of the UK version, which ended after three seasons.
 
2012-04-14 08:18:06 AM  

firegoat: usernameguy: Who cares? How did Community do?

I was wondering that the whole time I was reading that article.


i dunno, but last week's ken burns episode was farking brilliant. haven't seen last night's yet tho.
 
2012-04-14 08:32:34 AM  
Pam get nek'd yet?
 
2012-04-14 08:48:22 AM  
I agree with those who said the season got funnier after Steve Carell left. The 7th season was painfully awful and had very few good moments. This season has been better than I thought but still really should've never been made.

I always feel after the writer's strike resumed mid 4th season the show lost it's initial charm. I was a hard core follower for the first 4 seasons and mid way during the 4th it was noticeably different. Then 5th, 6th & 7th season just plain out sucked. Yet I have the DVDs for completion's sake and watch them still.

The show should've ended with Ryan's arrest in the 4th season. Though I admit the 5th season actually has some funny episodes.
 
2012-04-14 08:50:21 AM  

firegoat: usernameguy: Who cares? How did Community do?

I was wondering that the whole time I was reading that article.


info here iirc, this is up from the previous week.


I thought it was better than last week's episode (which was an awful gimmick dragged out far too long), but kind of Meh overall.
 
2012-04-14 08:54:28 AM  

roflmaonow: I always feel after the writer's strike resumed mid 4th season the show lost it's initial charm. I was a hard core follower for the first 4 seasons and mid way during the 4th it was noticeably different. Then 5th, 6th & 7th season just plain out sucked. Yet I have the DVDs for completion's sake and watch them still.


the main showrunner also left after season 4; I see that as a bigger reason as to why the show went downhill. Season 5 is easily the worst season of The Office and the show has never really recovered.


My guess is that the show will continue for 1 last season, though the show has yet to be renewed.
 
2012-04-14 09:08:43 AM  

firegoat: usernameguy: Who cares? How did Community do?

I was wondering that the whole time I was reading that article.


I didn't care for the whole boyfriend plot of that episode, but it was still a better episode than whatever The Office was trying to do in that episode. 30 Rock definitely had the best episode of the evening, though. Elaine Stritch instantly makes a 30 Rock episode classic.
 
2012-04-14 09:26:03 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: The end of the series should have been Michael Scott taking his microphone off.turning out to be the Scranton Strangler


What I would have gone with.
 
2012-04-14 09:33:59 AM  

alowishus: Mimekiller: The office will be a modern day Andy Grifith, loved by many and will have staying power in syndication but most everyone will turn it off when the see its a episode without Michal Scott(as I assume must do when they see its a Don Knots free episode of Andy)

My rule of thumb is to watch the B&W episodes and ignore the color ones.


Yes, this is the AGS rule to live by...the color episodes (especially anything with Howard) are shiat.
 
2012-04-14 09:39:27 AM  

Bunnyhat: I loved the show, but it really shouldn't have come back this season.

I can not stand Andy. Nothing he does I find the least bit entertaining. At least in the earlier seasons he came only in small doses.
I'm over Pam and Jim. It was great TV watching them get together, but now it's just stale. I've also found Pam's acting to have fallen off noticeably.


I've never been much of a fan of the show. I check in occasionally to see if they've given Stanley something to do.

Pam was never much of an actress, imo.
 
2012-04-14 11:00:37 AM  
I still watch it mainly cause Community, Parks and Rec and 30 Rock are on that night. Thursday's episode was awful. So Andy was going to publicly break up with his very attractive girlfriend who has her shiat together for a receptionist that acts like a child? This will they/won't they plot is one of the worst plotlines of the series. There's nothing invested in this relationship, they had them together and then broke them up to create tension, plus they made Erin a functional retard.

Although it's been better this season, that was the worst episode of the season. I liked it when it was about working in a soul crushing environment, not let's see what zany adventures they can get into this week. It should have ended when Carrell left
 
2012-04-14 11:33:19 AM  
Did anyone catch the new James Vanderbeek series last week? I accidentally watched it and found it quite amusing as he plays himself in the show. I hope in the future Kirk Cameron guest stars as himself.

www.hollywoodreporter.com
 
2012-04-14 11:36:13 AM  

HempHead: Did anyone catch the new James Vanderbeek series last week? I accidentally watched it and found it quite amusing as he plays himself in the show. I hope in the future Kirk Cameron guest stars as himself.

[www.hollywoodreporter.com image 565x318]


"Don't be a blond in a Vietnamese prison, June.... That's the life lesson here."
 
2012-04-14 11:37:06 AM  

rynthetyn: They have no clue how to use Catherine Tate, so I don't know why they brought her on.


You mean the talentless British woman who thinks she's a female version of Ricky Gervais?
 
2012-04-14 12:03:25 PM  
It's weird to see Donna Noble on the show. Mind you, BBC and NBC have done their cast member swaps before.
 
2012-04-14 12:10:40 PM  
Community was a bit terrible this week. Not much satire, and focused on Brita.

The Office was really bad last year, but this season has been better. Still, it's time to put it out to pasture.
 
2012-04-14 12:16:14 PM  

Hebalo: Community was a bit terrible this week. Not much satire, and focused on Brita


I actually think Britta's improved quite well this last season, but I do agree that this last episode was kind of week. As much as I'd like to see Community for another season, I'm not too happy that it's been pretty hit or miss since season 2.
 
2012-04-14 12:19:57 PM  
This is still on?
 
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