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2012-04-14 02:16:19 PM

I drunk what: s2s2s2: I don't think

i'm convinced

/I don't think you needed to limit that phrase with any of what followed.


Well that wasn't hard, but I knew it wouldn't be.

Would you like that cracker now, or later?
 
2012-04-14 02:29:39 PM

s2s2s2: Would you like that cracker


what did you call me?

no need to be racist

/dance monkey, dance
 
2012-04-14 02:37:20 PM

I drunk what: s2s2s2: Would you like that cracker

what did you call me?

no need to be racist

/dance monkey, dance


I'm rather enjoying watching you struggle with mitosis.
 
2012-04-14 02:51:19 PM
sfpfc 2012-04-14 01:57:22 AM

Kittypie070: sfpfc 2012-04-14 01:32:42 AM

"The heckya mean?"

The heckYA mean by your derpery thar, worshippin teh government??

That's the Emprah of the Entire Got Damn Freakin' Universe lookin at yo pasty ass.

:3


[Emprah Fartbama wit da homies.jpg]

Nobody farks with the Jesus!


LMAObama, you is faved!!
 
2012-04-14 03:17:40 PM

Halli: Honestly man if the only reason you have any morals is a 2000 year old book that says slavery and rape is ok then there is really something wrong with you.


Crosshair's post is so riddled with obvious mistakes that I'm not entirely convinced it was meant as a sincere argument to begin with. First, the suggestion that a god would somehow an "objective" source of morality when in truth every god that has been believed in (among the religions that lasted long enough anyway) has represented an ever-shifting, ever-evolving and ever-subjective projection of the taboos and general prejudices of the culture that believed in it.

Then there's the suggestion that "thousands of years" of secular philosophy has not managed to produce a satisfactory moral framework. Which, again, is completely backwards - conceptions of basic human decency are easy to justify via secular reasoning, whereas there are plenty of morally perverse ideas (prejudices against women, homosexuals, against non-believers) that would all but cease to exist in this age if it wasn't for the "god" that purportedly commands them.

Then finally, there's this: "This doesn't even get to the point that, if atheism/materialism is true, then all we are is chemicals in motion, meaning our actions are entirely deterministic, meaning free will is an illusion.", which represents a severe misunderstanding of the physical nature of the universe.
 
2012-04-14 04:40:08 PM
Biological Ali:
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Please don't bring up free will. Until the validity of religion is finally resolved it all boils down to "My god told/made me do it" vs "No, you chose to do it". Remove the fallacy of religion and you can make reasoned arguments for what has been observed pro or con.
With religionTM as a refuge for the (un)/willfully ignorant the issue of free will reverts to WWJD or some variant there of.
But what the hell - ok Free Will
Do you mean physical free will? (our bodies change without our consent or approval. So no true physical free will is yet possible)
Or
Do you mean mental free will? (Yes, we have free will. *ignoring of course the physical/chemical and social conditions of the subject)
 
2012-04-14 04:40:11 PM

muck4doo: FuryOfFirestorm: muck4doo: The Bible is the main part of my beliefs, but I also take into consideration many other sacred texts. And how dare you declare who is and isn't a christian based on what your narrow perceptions of them are supposed to be. You will find out I'm pretty unorthodox when it comes to my Christianity according to those who tell me what i should believe, but that is between me and God. Not you, or anyone else. You really shiat the bed with me accusing me of racism, but I also know you apologized, and it is now on me to get over it. Until I do, then I am the douchebag. Listening to some nice musicals and trying to get mellow.

Every Christian I know had stated that the Bible is the root of their beliefs, I can't see why assuming that you believe in the Bible would anger you. It's kind of illogical to be a Christian and not believe the Bible.

Thank you for accepting my sincere apology, though.

It's not that I don't believe in the Bible, that is where the core of my religious beliefs come from, it's that I also look into other sources from others who were also trying to figure out the question to 42. All want to be connected back to the creator, and find out why are we here, and just how did this all come to be? If you think about it, this universe shouldn't even exist. The fact that it does, astounds me.


No, all do not want to be connected back to the creator. We atheists have no need for a creator nor any desire to be connected to it. Why shouldn't this universe exist? It does, would knowing how it got here be neat, sure, do I need to know so I can get on with my life, no. As for purpose, I don't really see the need for one of those either.
 
2012-04-14 04:48:41 PM
Boatmech

I was just referring to the poster's use of the term "entirely deterministic", which isn't consistent with what we now know about the universe. I'm not overly concerned with extrapolations of that premise into philosophical arguments about free will, except to the extent of pointing out that the entire argument rests on a faulty assumption.
 
2012-04-14 04:52:49 PM

FarkinHostile: Mrtraveler01: You're either trolling (which I will say, was a very good job) or you're incredibly naive.

PSA!!
I drunk what is a well known actual Troll. Do not waste your time attempting to debate him, discuss anything with him, or even respond to him. He will do nothing more than give evasive quasi-answers to your questions, respond to your question with a misleading question, post irrelevant incomplete sentences in an attempt to confuse, insult your intelligence while subtly asserting about how much smarter he is than you (Or not so subtly. Profile: "With the world's largest piece of cauliflower, so I don't care to compete."), and generally adding nothing to the actual discussion. Do yourself a favor; do not bother with him. You will regret it, I swear.
Here are a few examples of his typical asshattery:

Link

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Arrogant, illiterate, condescending, deceitful and less than worthless. Save yourself the trouble.


/Cue Hulk picture


True enough. Life is too short for some brands of stoopid.
 
2012-04-14 04:59:01 PM

Biological Ali: Then finally, there's this: "This doesn't even get to the point that, if atheism/materialism is true, then all we are is chemicals in motion, meaning our actions are entirely deterministic, meaning free will is an illusion.", which represents a severe misunderstanding of the physical nature of the universe.



Sam Harris disagrees (new window):

"Free will is an illusion so convincing that people simply refuse to believe that we don't have it. In Free Will, Sam Harris combines neuroscience and psychology to lay this illusion to rest at last."

ecx.images-amazon.com

Free will is as much an illusion as God; neither really exists, says Sam Harris.
 
2012-04-14 04:59:05 PM

I drunk what: personally i think we should only teach Scientific Facts in schools (especially the public ones) and leave all religious teachings, including Atheism (and all of their wishbeliefs of darwinistic evolution, etc..), for the guardians at home and/or church


The theory of evolution is not a "wishbelief". Your claim demonstrates you to be a liar; consequently, claims issued by you are not credible.
 
2012-04-14 05:08:04 PM

Kittypie070: sfpfc 2012-04-14 01:57:22 AM

Kittypie070: sfpfc 2012-04-14 01:32:42 AM

"The heckya mean?"

The heckYA mean by your derpery thar, worshippin teh government??

That's the Emprah of the Entire Got Damn Freakin' Universe lookin at yo pasty ass.

:3

[Emprah Fartbama wit da homies.jpg]

Nobody farks with the Jesus!

LMAObama, you is faved!!


Pederass!

www.chicagonow.com
 
2012-04-14 05:08:44 PM
I would have to say for myself, that it's due to the 1. Lack of seeing any evidence of God, or jesus, at all. In the bible..miracles are like sunrises, and angels would appear like vacuum salesmen. Now? Nothing, no miracles, no parting of the red sea, or fish from heaven, or burning bushes. Just jesus on toast and trees. So what after his son died, he just left? No word for 2 k years? Hmm

2. It would seem to me, that if you were living in that era, which was barbaric at best, you would want to control the population, and get rich from donations at the same time. So..you would make it a "sin" to do 10 certain things, with a reason for each.

1.Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Duh..hard to have power if youre one among many.

2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: Kinda puts a dent in praying to the virgin mary, jesus, and all the saint statuary doesn't it? Wouldn't that make you idolators?

3. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain;
Ok..so cussing using "God dammit or Jesus Christ is right out.

4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day. Ok..if God is all powerful, like i have been told, and he can simultaneously watch everyone on earth...and know what they are thinking, and doing, every second, and REMEMBERING it all, for everyone..forever, why would he need to rest if he's been doing it now for 2000 years? If he doesnt have a body, why would have have to rest at all? He never sleeps.

5. Honour thy father and thy mother: I would guess this was a no brainer for the guys coming up with the list, as bad misbehaving kids have been around forever.

6. Thou shalt not kill. Another no brainer as there wasn't police back then, and I'm guessing that it was pretty easy to murder someone and just walk away and never get caught. So obviously, this was included.

7. Thou shalt not commit adultery. Again, I'm guessing this one came from the guys, as back then it was ok to have more than one wife, so the guy was getting all the poon he wanted, but didn't want his "wives" hitting the mailman or ups guy. So, this was more for control of the women than the guys.

8. Thou shalt not steal. Another early attempt to control crime. Which I'm sure was rampant.

9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. People are petty and juvinile sometimes, and will lie to get what they desire be it from a revenge standpoint, or just to be a dick. Not surprised this was in there.

10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Goes back to the same thing, you have and i have not, or your grass is greener etc. All comes down to humans desire to have better and or more.

Ok, so you are reading all these rules as you jot them down after pulling them out of your ass, and think...hmm...we have to have a punishment, or people won't obey. Rules without punishment are suggestions. (taps pencil on head) hmmm..what's the most pain that a human can experience? YES..FIRE!! (jots down the eternal lake of fire, burning forever, tortured by "demons" who nobody has actually seen)

So you sit there, and you have your list. Making sure that you have covered everything. Ok..let's see, worship me alone is covered, so that should make people obey the rules, stop farking my wife, yes...got it, don't steal my shiat or desire it...mmhmm..got it, quit killing the shiat out of one another, mmmhmm, make the kids listen, yes..right there, and for the coup..eternal pain while you burn in fire for not doing what i say...yes...that should do it. woooot. DAMN AM I GOOD.

Organized religions may be based on some person who lived, but they were not Gods, nor were they sons or daughters of gods. As in the roman gods..or greeks, what happened to them when Christianity came about? Did they just pack up and leave for better climes? Religion..is a means to control the population through fear and intimidation. There are many "gods" we have as a human, come up with, to explain how we got here, out of our ignorance. Every society has some "god" or deity they worship. Though, not one religion has ever "seen" their God, in person. All they have to "prove" it , is a book that was put together long ago. Look at the story out of India the other day..a guy was arrested for disproving a "jesus that leaked holy water" it turned out to be a leak in the plumbing, but when he exposed it, the catholic clergy had him arrested for being a heritic, even though he was right. Control, fear, punishment forever keep people swarming to churches to give them their money to save their souls. i guess we have not come so far after all.
 
2012-04-14 05:13:41 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: No word for 2 k years?


oi34.tinypic.com
/hot
 
2012-04-14 05:16:24 PM

GilRuiz1: Biological Ali: Then finally, there's this: "This doesn't even get to the point that, if atheism/materialism is true, then all we are is chemicals in motion, meaning our actions are entirely deterministic, meaning free will is an illusion.", which represents a severe misunderstanding of the physical nature of the universe.


Sam Harris disagrees (new window):

"Free will is an illusion so convincing that people simply refuse to believe that we don't have it. In Free Will, Sam Harris combines neuroscience and psychology to lay this illusion to rest at last."

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]

Free will is as much an illusion as God; neither really exists, says Sam Harris.


I highly doubt whether Sam Harris is stupid enough to believe any form of complete determinism, which would make his argument potentially interesting but ultimately unrelated to my own point.
 
2012-04-14 05:21:45 PM
Bit'O'Gristle:
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THIS, what Bit'O'Gristle said in spades.
`
 
2012-04-14 05:25:15 PM
Biological Ali:
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Got it. 'Nuff said.
 
2012-04-14 05:26:58 PM
Wait, we're still arguing about this shiat?
 
2012-04-14 05:29:33 PM

gimmegimme: GilRuiz1: halfof33: Hey what happened to the anti-religionist and his bumper sticker collection?

[i224.photobucket.com image 600x450]

I'd rather be around the guy who owns that truck than the guy who owns this one:

[www.strangemilitary.com image 640x479]


I am now ashamed to own a Springfield Armory XD-45 model handgun.
 
2012-04-14 05:29:49 PM

blipponaut: Wait, we're still arguing about this shiat?


Wait, you mean there are those who think there will ever be a time when people won't be arguing about this shiat? Pfft!
 
2012-04-14 05:40:53 PM
Should nuke this thread from orbit. Get rid of the crazies on all sides of the debate! Leave the world to those who don't give a fark..
 
2012-04-14 06:25:45 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: and the fact that when looked at logically with any semblance of sanity, religion seems like the stupidest harmful fairy tale bullshiat in the world.


So anyone who disagrees with what you believe is wrong and illogical:P? That's cute and if you can't see the irony, I doubt you're right about anything.
 
2012-04-14 06:38:25 PM

LovingTeacher: muck4doo: FuryOfFirestorm: muck4doo: The Bible is the main part of my beliefs, but I also take into consideration many other sacred texts. And how dare you declare who is and isn't a christian based on what your narrow perceptions of them are supposed to be. You will find out I'm pretty unorthodox when it comes to my Christianity according to those who tell me what i should believe, but that is between me and God. Not you, or anyone else. You really shiat the bed with me accusing me of racism, but I also know you apologized, and it is now on me to get over it. Until I do, then I am the douchebag. Listening to some nice musicals and trying to get mellow.

Every Christian I know had stated that the Bible is the root of their beliefs, I can't see why assuming that you believe in the Bible would anger you. It's kind of illogical to be a Christian and not believe the Bible.

Thank you for accepting my sincere apology, though.

It's not that I don't believe in the Bible, that is where the core of my religious beliefs come from, it's that I also look into other sources from others who were also trying to figure out the question to 42. All want to be connected back to the creator, and find out why are we here, and just how did this all come to be? If you think about it, this universe shouldn't even exist. The fact that it does, astounds me.

No, all do not want to be connected back to the creator. We atheists have no need for a creator nor any desire to be connected to it. Why shouldn't this universe exist? It does, would knowing how it got here be neat, sure, do I need to know so I can get on with my life, no. As for purpose, I don't really see the need for one of those either.


I wasn't talking about people born without souls.
 
2012-04-14 06:47:13 PM

muck4doo: I wasn't talking about people born without souls.


So if souls exist, and when you die you go into heaven or hell forever, I wonder if we could harness souls and use them as a sort of infinite power source.
 
2012-04-14 06:52:26 PM

CrackpipeCardozo: [i43.tinypic.com image 500x395]


I've always been fond of this one:

aspapparel.com
 
2012-04-14 07:35:07 PM
I'll take "Because Religion is Dumb as shiat" for $1000, Alex.

//DNRTFT
 
2012-04-14 08:08:47 PM
Yeah, my theory is that most people don't really follow any religion, but now it's OK to say it. It's a shame people were coerced to lie about stuff before, my religion has screwed up a lot.
 
2012-04-14 08:11:08 PM

hubiestubert: True enough. Life is too short for some brands of stoopid.


heh, and i was almost going to respond to your walls o text (Kilted style), but then i .. meh i've had better

Dimensio: The theory of evolution is not a "wishbelief". Your claim demonstrates you to be a liar; consequently, claims issued by you are not credible.


www.illusionsgallery.com

domo arigato mr. dimensio

quote the lie so we may address it, or else stand forth and be recognized for the liar you are

/i'm rubber you are glue

if you cannot prove your case by the close of this thread i will accept your public acknowledgement as being a liar and a hack, and can presume to dismiss all future posts from you as being fraudulent with the ulterior motive of being deceitful

and please do not continue to engage with covering up your lies with even more lies

your posts are deemed irrelevant and your mother was a hamster
 
2012-04-14 08:19:08 PM
Reasons for the rise of atheism:

1). Politicization of religion and darn near everything else. Much of the steam atheism is gaining is from a perceived threat from those who want to impose theocracy. Included in this, I would say, are those who attack science in the public domain.

2). The movement has become more outspoken. The effect an outspoken, well spoken, and partisan public figure can have on swaying people's thought can't be underestimated.

Those are the boring reasons, here are the reasons that atheists don't want to admit are influencing the recent swell in their ranks:

3). Atheism is more about identity than anything else. Coming up with, or co-opting old, labels like Freethinker, Bright, etc. which basically means, "Atheist", which is a word that already exists, is part of it. Despite what these labels would cause you to think, Atheists generally look down on certain rational pursuits. Philosophy is generally scoffed at as "irrelevant" or "navel gazing", and arguments for atheism are generally based on outdated reasoning that hasn't been valid for decades. In depth study and understanding of issues of religion is ignored in favor of using "soundbite" arguments from people who think reading a couple of websites and a book from a non-scholar tells them everything they could ever want to know. This contradiction between how atheists label themselves, and how they act or express themselves, is generally indicative that "identity" matters more than action or thought.

4). Atheism is sympathetic, religion is not - as portrayed in popular culture/media/internet. Atheists equate themselves to homosexuals and others who have fought, or are currently fighting, civil rights issues. The religious, on the other hand, are stereotyped as holier-than-thou, arrogant, closed-minded, bigoted, etc. Now it would be ridiculous to deny that these traits often apply to the religious, but the fact is that the atheist movement is often based on these very same traits as well.

I believe when it comes to these cultural "narratives", or you might call them culture wars if you suck, the "equal and opposite" law holds true. That is, atheists aren't content to oppose Christianity from the rational middle road, instead they become the polar opposite of the folks they oppose which, much like the climate from north to south pole, means that they become essentially the same thing.

Also it should be obvious that atheists are considered the "underdog" and "rebellious" and these, more than rational arguments or thought, are attractive to the general public, and helps explain the expansion of atheism. It's interesting to note that during a time when atheism WAS the prevailing intellectual paradigm, which it isn't anymore, it didn't experience this kind of growth. Now that very little headway has been made in atheist thought over the past 50+ years, it grows faster than it ever seems to have grown throughout history, and I think this proves the fact that this has more to do with non-rational causes like what I listed above.
 
2012-04-14 08:33:59 PM
I wasn't a believer prior, but Carl Sagan cemented my position as a non believer in my early teens.

A Universe Not Made For Us (new window)
 
2012-04-14 08:35:47 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: tortured by "demons" who nobody has actually seen


yellow colored demons

a blind man once told me about them

/fascinating

Bit'O'Gristle: 1. Lack of seeing any evidence of God, or jesus


why would you find any evidence of jesus? i heard he was a myth

evidence of God? everywhere i look i only see evidence of self correcting math equations accidentally creating universes and a really lucky planet that can create life via lightning striking mud, then turbo evolution magically creating multiple phyla without any prior organisms to use as blueprints

yep, clear as crystal

everytime i find a laptop on a beach, i think to myself, naturedidit, cause as any wise man knows only unintelligent things give rise to intelligence-design

i mean after all nature created itself from nothing, what can it not do?

/smug look on face
//snark snerk snark snerk
///polishes shiny plastic helmet
 
2012-04-14 08:37:00 PM

IrishFarmer: 3). Atheism is more about identity than anything else. Coming up with, or co-opting old, labels like Freethinker, Bright, etc. which basically means, "Atheist", which is a word that already exists, is part of it.


Even if I grant you that the rest of this point has merit, there's nothing wrong with this part right here. This is equivalent to people realizing how many atheists there really are or that people they already know and like are atheists. Consolidating these labels consolidates the community, which makes it more broadly appealing.

4). Atheism is sympathetic, religion is not - as portrayed in popular culture/media/internet. Atheists equate themselves to homosexuals and others who have fought, or are currently fighting, civil rights issues. The religious, on the other hand, are stereotyped as holier-than-thou, arrogant, closed-minded, bigoted, etc. Now it would be ridiculous to deny that these traits often apply to the religious, but the fact is that the atheist movement is often based on these very same traits as well.

Suggesting that those attitudes in the atheist community are even in the same stratosphere as those attitudes in religious communities is ludicrous.

Also it should be obvious that atheists are considered the "underdog" and "rebellious" and these, more than rational arguments or thought, are attractive to the general public, and helps explain the expansion of atheism.

People like to root for the underdog. They sure as hell don't want to BE the underdog.
 
2012-04-14 08:39:08 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: I would have to say for myself, that it's due to the 1. Lack of seeing any evidence of God, or jesus, at all. In the bible..miracles are like sunrises, and angels would appear like vacuum salesmen. Now? Nothing, no miracles, no parting of the red sea, or fish from heaven, or burning bushes. Just jesus on toast and trees. So what after his son died, he just left? No word for 2 k years? Hmm...


That was amazing.

Favorited as "Awesome" in Aqua 3
 
2012-04-14 09:10:41 PM

FishyFred: Suggesting that those attitudes in the atheist community are even in the same stratosphere as those attitudes in religious communities is ludicrous.


I'm not opposed to this idea, but all I'm saying is that both extremes are wrong, often for the same reasons.

FishyFred: People like to root for the underdog. They sure as hell don't want to BE the underdog.


They do when they feel they have to choose between being the underdog or being The Man. Probably. I don't know, I'm just some random jerk on the internet so I'll admit that I could be wrong.
 
2012-04-14 09:25:30 PM

IrishFarmer: FishyFred: People like to root for the underdog. They sure as hell don't want to BE the underdog.

They do when they feel they have to choose between being the underdog or being The Man. Probably. I don't know, I'm just some random jerk on the internet so I'll admit that I could be wrong.


I'm a rich white male. I am The Man. Being The Man is awesome.

I am also an atheist, which means I am an underdog. Being the underdog kind of sucks.

/cannot overstate how awesome it is being The Man
//only problem is that the status quo is kind of farked, so it has to change, and if that means I can't be The Man anymore, then so be it
 
2012-04-14 09:44:49 PM

FishyFred: I'm a rich white male. I am The Man. Being The Man is awesome.

I am also an atheist, which means I am an underdog. Being the underdog kind of sucks.


Relevant: Video (new window) (SFW and Pops)
 
2012-04-14 09:46:16 PM
Hm. Try that again. Linkitty link (pops)

I need to get my act together......
 
2012-04-14 09:49:05 PM

mgshamster: muck4doo: I wasn't talking about people born without souls.

So if souls exist, and when you die you go into heaven or hell forever, I wonder if we could harness souls and use them as a sort of infinite power source.


No, but if we could harness the power of folks turning over in their grave, I suspect that we might find near limitless energy...
 
2012-04-14 09:52:27 PM

FishyFred: I'm a rich white male. I am The Man. Being The Man is awesome.

I am also an atheist, which means I am an underdog. Being the underdog kind of sucks.

/cannot overstate how awesome it is being The Man
//only problem is that the status quo is kind of farked, so it has to change, and if that means I can't be The Man anymore, then so be it


*sigh* I must have overloaded on caffeine tonight b/c I keep getting messed up here. The video I posted may not be SFW depending on your workplace. It may contain harsh language, but it just depends on how sensitive your workplace is.
 
2012-04-14 10:09:14 PM

I drunk what:
evidence of God? everywhere i look i only see evidence of self correcting math equations accidentally creating universes and a really lucky planet that can create life via lightning striking mud, then turbo evolution magically creating multiple phyla without any prior organisms to use as blueprints


This sounds like "scientific explanations must be wrong because I do not understand them." The evidence for evolution is very strong. So is the evidence for the Big Bang. We know little about the origin of life, or the origin of the universe.

Here is a good, hour long summary of some of the evidence that leads us to conclude that evolution is true. (new window)

And this is Lawrence Krauss explaining quite a bit of astrophysics. (new window) It's not a list of evidence in the same sense as the evolution video, but does cover some of how we have reached current conclusions. It's beautiful and mind-blowing. It also explains what this XKCD means, which I had not previously understood.
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-04-15 01:18:16 AM
I drunk whut? has been guzzling the used toilet water again, I see.
 
2012-04-15 03:00:10 AM

IrishFarmer: It's interesting to note that during a time when atheism WAS the prevailing intellectual paradigm, which it isn't anymore, it didn't experience this kind of growth. Now that very little headway has been made in atheist thought over the past 50+ years, it grows faster than it ever seems to have grown throughout history, and I think this proves the fact that this has more to do with non-rational causes like what I listed above.


I've pointed out to you before that you're confusing strong atheism and weak atheism.

Strong atheism is more or less abandoned because it's just as unsupportable as theism. The philosophical/logical arguments for both sides have holes so big you could drive a tank through.

Weak atheism, on the other hand, is a different animal and most atheists are of the weak kind. It's merely the position that neither 'God does exist' nor 'God does not exist' can be demonstrated to be true either logically or empirically so not believing is the rational position to take.
 
2012-04-15 09:13:40 AM

IrishFarmer: Also it should be obvious that atheists are considered the "underdog" and "rebellious" and these, more than rational arguments or thought, are attractive to the general public, and helps explain the expansion of atheism. It's interesting to note that during a time when atheism WAS the prevailing intellectual paradigm, which it isn't anymore, it didn't experience this kind of growth.


Out of curiosity, when was it that atheism was the "prevailing intellectual paradigm?" Are you referring to the lost city of Atlantis or something? Because for most of the 6000 years since man invented god it seems to me we've been marching fairly steadily forward towards enlightenment.

Except of course in the "dark ages" when the god believers got all stabby and killed off the intellectuals...
 
2012-04-15 10:21:59 AM

IrishFarmer: I believe when it comes to these cultural "narratives", or you might call them culture wars if you suck, the "equal and opposite" law holds true. That is, atheists aren't content to oppose Christianity from the rational middle road, instead they become the polar opposite of the folks they oppose which, much like the climate from north to south pole, means that they become essentially the same thing.

Also it should be obvious that atheists are considered the "underdog" and "rebellious" and these, more than rational arguments or thought, are attractive to the general public, and helps explain the expansion of atheism. It's interesting to note that during a time when atheism WAS the prevailing intellectual paradigm, which it isn't anymore, it didn't experience this kind of growth. Now that very little headway has been made in atheist thought over the past 50+ years, it grows faster than it ever seems to have grown throughout history, and I think this proves the fact that this has more to do with non-rational causes like what I listed above.


I agree that the reasons you've listed are relevant, particularly "2) The movement has become more outspoken." This is huge, I simply wouldn't be an atheist if not for The God Delusion, and I wouldn't have considered it a position worth advocating without the influences of Christopher Hitchens. The Reason Rally took me to the next level: caring enough to get involved politically. In addition to those speakers, atheism has a presence on the internet that allows people with doubts to find others, not feel alone, and not ultimately just confess those doubts to a pastor who is adept at talking you out of them. Doubters today find that they are not alone, and there are damn good reasons to doubt. It's true that much of what the atheist movement is now latching onto has been known for a long time, but it was known in academic circles (where atheism is the norm.) For us dirty masses, these ideas are just starting to propagate in earnest, and I think the internet gets a great deal of credit for that.

I was pagan for a decade+ before I was atheist, so for me at least I already had a counter-culture underdog identity, and had no need to swap it out for a different one. I acknowledge that the things you discuss in 3) and 4) are present for some people, but it doesn't seem like a big factor to me. Someone once told me that they believed atheists were just going through a rebellious phase in which they wanted to piss their mom off... I think a sentiment like that is pretty out of touch with what is really happening.

I was drawn here because these outspoken folks are right, and because this issue matters. For me this is about the pursuit of what is true, and about my belief that secular influences will better serve our country than theocratic ones. When only 40% of the most powerful country in the world believe in evolution, when 30% of our country believes six impossible things before breakfast... that is a problem. Ultimately, without rigorous pursuit of science, our nation will fall from greatness. When I look at Tennessee, Louisiana, the Discovery Institute, presidential candidates taking a stand against college , and so on... I see an anti-intellectual movement gaining steam, and it makes me afraid for my country. That is why I am here. , and why I am looking for more substantial ways to be involved.
 
2012-04-15 12:42:58 PM

namatad: LindyJohn: Atheists in the military want chaplains? And yet atheists are not anything like religious people... OK then...

"chaplains"
so that atheists can get sunday off like the religious tards.


Just feign religion and go pheasant hunting. Worked for my dad.
 
2012-04-15 08:53:13 PM

Kittypie070: I drunk whut? has been guzzling the used toilet water again, I see.


yeah, fark is beginning to leave an unpleasant aftertaste

/for many years now

Astazha: This sounds like "scientific explanations must be wrong because I do not understand them."


it's like i'm speaking chinese to irish people

who are deaf

houston, we have a problem (new window)
 
2012-04-15 09:22:09 PM

s2s2s2: I'm rather enjoying watching you struggle with mitosis.


images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-04-15 10:02:48 PM

I drunk what: s2s2s2: I'm rather enjoying watching you struggle with mitosis.


That is a great gif of you. Well done.
 
2012-04-15 10:54:50 PM

muck4doo: Looking at the day outside my window.
Look at that sky
Look at that ground
Look at this Earth
I see it all
I will work on my garden today
Look at the miracle of life in each seed that gets planted
Who can make such things?
Who am I?
I buckle too easily
Look at the food on your table
The fruit of the beautiful Earth
Yet we are so eager to exploit it for greedy reasons
I'm guilty of this also
Look at us
The intelligent apes
What other creatures on earth debate on morals?
What other creatures can even ask that?
Lousy caretakers we are
Will there ever really be peace on Earth?
I don't know.
All I can say is I have HOPE


FTFM

 
2012-04-16 01:05:51 AM
Dimensio:

Your claim demonstrates you to be a liar; consequently, claims issued by you are not credible.

I drunk what:

domo arigato mr. dimensio

quote the lie so we may address it, or else stand forth and be recognized for the liar you are

/i'm rubber you are glue

if you cannot prove your case by the close of this thread i will accept your public acknowledgement as being a liar and a hack, and can presume to dismiss all future posts from you as being fraudulent with the ulterior motive of being deceitful

and please do not continue to engage with covering up your lies with even more lies

your posts are deemed irrelevant and your mother was a hamster


I am SHOCKED that Dimensio has not come back to clear this up.
 
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